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Top 50 Mariner Moments, 2007: #5

June 27th: Jose Lopez blasts a walk-off double in the eleventh inning to sweep the Red Sox.

Box score & PBP

Game thread, part 1

Game thread, part 2

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There isn't a single reader of this website to whom I need to explain why it feels so good to beat the Red Sox. But to sweep them? Thanks to a walk-off double against Joel Pineiro? In a game that put Ryan Feierabend up against Daisuke freaking Matsuzaka? That felt better than good. My neighborhood's electricity was shut off that day, but I got to a friend's house and loaded MLB.tv in time for the 11th inning, and I remember standing there watching Lopez's ball hit the wall and jumping up and down and shouting like a moron in front of my friend's parents, who were beginning to regret allowing me entrance. That was a spectacular afternoon, well worthy of such high placement in the list.

Because the awesomeness of this moment requires no further commentary, I'm going to talk about something else (albeit something closely related) that caught my eye in reading the AP game recap:

Ramirez often gets criticized for his defense, but he had a long run just to get near Lopez's drive.

"Manny's such a good hitter that people overlook what he does in the field," said Mike Hargrove, Ramirez's former manager in Cleveland.

"I'm not sure there's another left fielder--outside of somebody who can just fly--that gets that ball."

This piqued my interest. Just how good of a play did Manny make in even getting close to the ball?

Ever curious, I examined the evidence. The first thing I had to do was figure out where Manny's route began, and where it ended. Thanks to some screenshots...

...and this picture of Safeco Field, I was able to come up with the following approximation of Manny's path:

Now that I had the approximate path, I needed to collect two more pieces of information: the length of the path, and the amount of time spent covering it. I could then use these numbers to calculate Manny's running speed during the flight of the ball.

I took the ballpark image and blew it up to 200% size. The right field foul pole - 327 feet from home plate - was 7cm long, while Manny's path measured in at 1.5cm. Simple division and multiplication gave me a distance of ~70 feet. This was the approximate amount of ground Manny covered while the ball was in the air.

The next thing I needed was time. Watching the replay, the ball spent about six seconds in the air before hitting the wall. Assuming a virtually immediate reaction, this meant that Manny covered ~70 feet while running for ~6 seconds.

That's the hard part. The rest is easy.

70ft / 6s * 60s / 1min * 60min / 1hr * 1mi / 5280ft = 7.95mph

Manny Ramirez ran his route with an average speed of 7.95 miles per hour. This absolutely blew Mike Hargrove away.

Of course, one guy's measured footspeed doesn't mean anything to us in isolation. How does it compare to other people? Other athletes? That's what we really want to know. According to Mike Hargrove, Manny got to the wall faster than almost any other left fielder in baseball would've been able to. If true, that would be remarkable. This was the kind of thing that just begged for confirmation.

I went to the video, eager to learn. Eric Byrnes? Faster. Okay, maybe he's one of those guys who can "just fly". So he's not a fair comparison. How about Jason Bay? Faster. Hmm. Geoff Jenkins? Nope, he's faster too. Same with Jay Payton. And Pat Burrell. And Matt Holliday. And even Adam Dunn.

I was getting frustrated. Mike Hargrove's been around baseball for how long? Surely he must know what he's talking about. I persevered.

Carl Crawford? Faster. Obviously. Josh Willingham, too. Shannon Stewart...Alfonso Soriano...Carlos Lee? Faster? Huh.

I was running out of options. Maybe Hargrove wasn't just referring to Major League left fielders. Maybe he meant all left fielders. After all, the Majors would probably select for guys who can "just fly", right? Makes sense. So I set about researching the minors.

Dead end after dead end. Maybe Hargrove was using "left fielders" as a metaphor. My expectations were sinking. There had to at least be someone out there who Manny could outrun. I couldn't stand to live in a world in which a respected veteran manager could be so completely and utterly wrong about a simple evaluation. There had to be someone. There had to be.

Hours upon hours of tedium. Until - at last. Vindication.

North County Conference 3200 Meters Full Results

38.    Devon McCann        15:18.5        So        CA Carlsbad

Two miles in 15:18.5 equals an average running speed of 7.84mph. Slower! Slower than Manny!

In making a terrific effort towards attempting to catch a fly ball - an effort that, according to Hargrove, could be exceeded only by someone who can "just fly" - Manny Ramirez ran slightly faster than the slowest runner in a 3200-meter race at a small California track meet for local high schools. Who wasn't sprinting.

This is the level to which Raul Ibanez's defense managed to reduce Mike Hargrove's standards.

Mike Hargrove says he lost his passion for the game's daily grind. I think Raul Ibanez destroyed it.

Star-divide

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Shit son
Talk about doing your homework.

by yourfacemakesmewail on Mar 18, 2008 12:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how in the name of pie, cake, and all other
desserts

did you possibly find that track meet result?

by I'm NOT Corco on Mar 18, 2008 12:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nobody can ever say you don't put effort into
these things Jeff.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Mar 18, 2008 12:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap
I forgot how much we hated Morrow for a while.

Other than that, this was probably my favorite game all year, well deserving of the 5 spot.

Devon McCann is pretty damn slow, he deserved every bit of that 38th place finish.

by MFAN on Mar 18, 2008 1:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the whole time reading this
I was going Raul Raul Raul Raul...

by Mere Tantalisers on Mar 18, 2008 5:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That game was awesome
I called, from England, my friend sitting in the left field bleachers, yelled 'LOPEZ WOOOOOO' at him and hung up.

Calls to cellphones in the US are surprisingly expensive.

by Graham on Mar 18, 2008 5:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see right through you
Nice try with your biased "analysis" trying to make poor Manny look bad.

It's simple to spot the fatal flaw in your calculations -- you assume that Manny reacted immediately and therefore spent the entire 6 seconds running.  This is a ridiculous assumption that implies a superhuman capacity for perception.  Everybody knows that all true MLB left fielders take about three seconds to react to the ball and plan their routes.  As Hargrove clearly recognizes, without careful planning, they'd just end up wasting time and energy sprinting willy-nilly and ending up God knows where.  If you adjust your estimates to account for the shortened sprinting time, Manny's speed skyrockets up to a whopping 15.9 mph!

Try finding a high school medium-distance runner who can top that!

by Nadingo on Mar 18, 2008 6:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The only other LFer
I can think of that sucks as much is Bonds, but at least he probably takes good routes.

And, holy crap, that was well done.

"You know, as that was coming out of my mouth, I knew that it was wrong."

by JI on Mar 18, 2008 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere out there
Devon McCann is googling himself and forever more he will always be able to say that he was compared to Manny Ramirez on some baseball blog

by I'm NOT Corco on Mar 18, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doing the world a favor
one slowass high schooler at a time.

by Jeff on Mar 18, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um. Jeff...
Might I suggest you take the Dave Cameron route and find yourself a woman?
Ill Ligitamus Non Carberendum

by PositivePaul on Mar 18, 2008 9:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I went to this game
sat up in the LF bleachers on an absolutely gorgeous day...
What I remember most is pitch after pitch from Ryan Feierabend getting absolutely smoked into the gap somewhere only to see Ichiro sprint over and make a fairly routine catch.   Ichiro put on a show... these weren't fly balls, they were screaming line drives that went to the warning track despite never getting more than 10 feet off the ground, and he made almost every play.
I want to see the PBP data UZR uses for this game.    There's simply no way the guy I saw is a bad (to say nothing of 'the worst') CF.   It's terrible reasoning to extrapolate from one game, and yeah, defensive metrics have their quirks.   But I don't care about that.   For one day, Ichiro, pretty much all by his lonesome (starting LF that day was Ben Broussard) made even Ryan Feierabend's box score look good.  

by marc w on Mar 18, 2008 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that was pretty much the only way
that Feierabend was going to survive that start.

by Jeff on Mar 18, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep
Looks amazing in the boxscore - a young pitcher keeping an amazing line-up 'off balance' or something, when they actually squared up the ball on every swing.

Ichiro>>>>>BABIP, LD run expectancy.

by marc w on Mar 18, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately
Ibanez and Guillen have the opposite effect. And they outnumbered him.

by Graham on Mar 18, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in this game
That's what was so funny - it was Guillen and Broussard, who might actually be worse than Ibanez.  And Ichiro was STILL able to hold them to 1 run in 11 innings.   It sure as hell wasn't the pitching staff doing the work...

Over the course of the season, yes, you're totally right.  This was simply Ichiro's one-day protest.  

by marc w on Mar 18, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome write up Jeff!
I snuck out of work early to go catch the last couple of innings at the bar next door.  The whole bar erupted when the ball bounced free.  Sweeping the Red Sox is sweet, sweet, sweet.

Also, that was easily my favorite moment of the year involving Jose.  

by Sec 108 on Mar 18, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fun fact:
if you watch the replay of the double, Dave Sims thinks Manny made the catch at first.

Caugh-OFF THE WALL!

by Jeff on Mar 18, 2008 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As soon as I saw 7.95 mph...
I thought, "hey, that's slightly slower than my half-marathon pace!"

And I'm not exactly speedy by that standard, either.

by busplunger on Mar 18, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Was at this game
It was a good game to go to, obviously.

by Mariner John on Mar 18, 2008 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I just did a 16 mile long run at faster than 9 mph pace last Saturday, damn Manny is slow.
My friend just did a half marathon at slightly slower than 12 mph pace.
Just to put Manny's pace into perspective.
World record sprint pace is like.. 23 mph for sprinting?
http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2008 6:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw the whole thing...
I was leaning againts the left field stainless table, lucky enough to be directly above the spot where the ball contacted the wall- at the spot where Ramirez flailed with predictable lack of effort. Moments before this occurred the chick standing next to me screamed out, "I hope he hit's it deep to Ramirez, he sucks against the wall!" This, without a doubt, was my moment of the season. I remember that Ramirez didn't seem to make a confident read on the ball, didn't get a jump on it. And when he got close to the wall, it's like just shut his eyes and hoped and half-leaped, like he thought he was about to hit the wall, although he wasn't that close to it, which is why his effort looked so, well, comically pathetic. Amidst all the flying high-fives and general elation, my eyes met the eyes of the chick standing next to me. I smiled at her and nodded as we fived, giving her respectful acknowledgment of her call of moments ago. She smiled back and we passed into the throng. On the way out three dudes were walking in step, one behind the other, the frontman hoisting a patio broom, and loudly, more than loudly they all were cheering "You got swe-ept, You got swe-ept," to the tune of "Let's go red sox." It was a beautiful event.

by Rod on Mar 19, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I must be a hell of a lot slower than I thought.
I remember in my last day of PE in junior high I was so proud of myself that I achieved my goal of running a mile in under 8 minutes. This McCann guy ran 2 miles under 16 min and everyone here is calling him a fatass?

Even I thought I was faster than Manny. I guess it really puts things into perspective. (Then again, I wasn't sprinting and Manny was. So HA! I still have the shambles of my pride.)

Refuse to progress!!

by Double06 on Mar 22, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he's a fatass for a runner
an 8 minute mile isn't slow for the general populace, but for a runner? yeah, that's pretty damn slow.

by Matthew on Mar 22, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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