Erik Bedard Is Really Good
NOTE: I'm obviously operating under the assumption that a trade has been agreed to. If this is somehow all a bunch of bullshit, then whatever, nevermind.
That's going to be the title of every post I make for a little while, to serve as a reminder that, as much as it sucks that we're sending AJ+ (and we still don't know what the + is, and it's making me nervous) to baseball's armpit, at least the guy we're getting back is certifiably amazing. Bedard might be the best starting pitcher in baseball. Barring something unforeseen and disastrous, every single person here is going to fall in love with how incredible he is. Plus, he's Canadian, which I think is funny, even though I don't know why. So that's neat.
Incidentally, from an email discussion about the state of our pitching staff last year:
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jeff Sullivan" <x>
Subject: Re: Bye-bye, Ho
To: "David Cameron" <x>
Can we trade Jones for Erik Bedard or something?
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This is a weird day for me. I mean, I don't love the trade at all, but I'm not that upset. Last year, when those two deals went down, at the time I found myself shaking and saying a lot of naughty words. There's none of that right now. I actually feel rather serene.
A big part of it is that I've been treating this as an inevitability for weeks. I mean, this trade has been poked and prodded a thousand times over, and at this point I don't think there's anything anyone could say that hasn't already been said by four other people. I've gotten so accustomed to talking and hearing about it that I guess my psychological response has been diluted over a month, instead of coming out as a focused beam of concentrated emotion the way it did last year when I was taken by surprise. Bedard still hasn't officially been traded, and already it's old hat.
But there's something else at play, here. This isn't like the Vidro/Ramirez trades, or the Sexson/Silva signings. With a lot of the players that Bavasi's brought in over the years, there've been performance concerns. I don't have any of those with Erik Bedard. Bedard is an elite-level talent, the best Mariner since Alex Rodriguez. If he's healthy (which, granted, is a legitimate concern, as Bedard's a bit fragile), he's going to be unfair. This is about as much of a certainty as it can be for any pitcher in the league.
And that's a potent salve. Were I to make a list of the pros and cons here, the pros would be considerably less scientific, but that doesn't make them any less real. I am a big fan of Erik Bedard. I do drool at the thought of having two of the top ten talents at the front of our rotation. I will enjoy having a pitcher who doesn't rely on anyone but himself to succeed. I don't think this is the smartest baseball move, but viewed from the perspective that sports are entertainment, this is going to make our team more fun to watch. That's not insignificant. Erik Bedard is a 6'1 tower of awesome that's going to keep us interested in those games against Chicago and Texas that otherwise wouldn't be the least bit compelling, and for that I'm thankful.
There's nothing to do now but watch Bedard highlights, wait for the official word, and hope that we don't end up losing too much on top of AJ. As long as we're hanging on to Clement and Triunfel, I can't imagine that the final package is going to make me feel any worse. For me, this has always been about Jones. No one else matters nearly as much.
And so we make our move in the slide puzzle that this offseason has become. One hole is filled at the expense of another. I don't like any of the options for RF, but we've known this to be an issue for as long as we've been discussing the trade, so there's no sense in belaboring the point. We'll just have to settle for Wilkerson or Wlad or someone and hope that he's able to keep himself afloat for however long the team's in contention. With luck, that'll be about seven months.
Brilliant baseball decision? I don't think so. But it's invigorating and not dull, and since there's nothing any of us can do about it, we might as well embrace the outcome. Welcome to Seattle, Erik Bedard. Don't mind the disappointment; it's nothing personal. Everybody thinks you're awesome, and here's hoping you can pitch us into October. If anyone can do it, it's you.
Fuck the Angels.
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hmm
We've got this guy named Ichiro that I'd classify as elite level talent.
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by Addicted to Quack on
Jan 27, 2008 8:00 PM PST
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I thought about that
by Jeff on
Jan 27, 2008 8:01 PM PST
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Well
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Hahaha Angels fans
by Fett42 on
Jan 27, 2008 8:03 PM PST
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fuck them
by Mere Tantalisers on
Jan 27, 2008 8:04 PM PST
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reason #42 why crack is whack
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Jan 27, 2008 8:06 PM PST
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Escobar over Felix??
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Jan 27, 2008 8:07 PM PST
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just read that
"Hunter + Garland > Bedard."
Umm...no
"Garland over Batista"
Umm...no again.
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Jan 27, 2008 8:09 PM PST
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You know,
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Your hopes could still be dashed
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Jan 27, 2008 8:07 PM PST
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Don't say shit like that!
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Jan 27, 2008 8:16 PM PST
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Also,
Think about it; you're a great pitcher in his prime, you're stuck in Baltimore for another two years. Do you tell them that you're into hanging out longer, or do you tell them there;s no way to increase your chances of leaving sooner?
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Jan 27, 2008 8:07 PM PST
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I don't know if I want that yet
by Jeff on
Jan 27, 2008 8:12 PM PST
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His injury last year
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Last year isn't it, though
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Jan 27, 2008 8:28 PM PST
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Damnit, don't say 'tears'
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Jan 27, 2008 8:33 PM PST
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And the LL interview curse is offically complete.
Nageotte-DFA'd
Leone-DFA'd
Snelling-Traded
Chavez-Fired
Jones-Traded
by Goose on
Jan 27, 2008 8:09 PM PST
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Jeff lives in SoCal now...
-Howie Kendrick
-Brandon Wood
-Casey Kotchman
-Jered Weaver
by Fett42 on
Jan 27, 2008 8:11 PM PST
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Someone interview Ho. Quick.
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Jan 27, 2008 8:16 PM PST
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600 miles away...
by Devin on
Jan 27, 2008 8:19 PM PST
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A few questions you may want to ask
- Why do you suck so much?
- Do you feel bad about sucking so much?
- Hey, stop sucking so much.
by JLC on
Jan 27, 2008 8:23 PM PST
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Well, I was just going to bring a crowbar...
by Devin on
Jan 27, 2008 8:25 PM PST
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If you try and use that on Vidro
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Jan 27, 2008 8:34 PM PST
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I was only aware things went in
by JLC on
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That last one isn't a question.
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Jeff Clement was on that Tacoma team.
by Jeff on
Jan 27, 2008 8:21 PM PST
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Let's just say ts a good thing you don't speak
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Jan 27, 2008 8:23 PM PST
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No he's not.
by Jeff on
Jan 27, 2008 8:26 PM PST
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It's not a tree
by Mariner John on
Jan 27, 2008 9:34 PM PST
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earlier today
- adam jones
- reggie willits
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Jan 27, 2008 8:13 PM PST
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Your friend is missing half his brain
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Jan 27, 2008 8:17 PM PST
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haha
10:07pm A blogger at SBN's Lookout Landing speculates that Jones' physical might be in Bethesda, which would mean technically MacPhail isn't lying.
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Jan 27, 2008 8:17 PM PST
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mlbtraderumors.com:
by Mere Tantalisers on
Jan 27, 2008 8:29 PM PST
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Bethesda? Yuck
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Jan 27, 2008 8:31 PM PST
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Ummm....
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Jan 27, 2008 8:56 PM PST
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It still does not make up
Baltimore and DC are terrible places. He wont get to see Montgomery county much. As nice as Bethesda can be, it has little 'action' for a guy in his 20s.
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Jan 27, 2008 9:00 PM PST
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I concede the rest of Maryland is horrid.
Capital Hill is really nice and so is Northwest D.C. There is an actual street on Capital Hill (or at least there was 4 years ago) with million dollar townhouses on one side of the street and drug/homicide infested ghetto on the other. It is quite amazing to see how the demographics are changing in the area.
Although, College Park is quite interesting where UM girls are more than happy to share how endowed they are.
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Jan 27, 2008 9:08 PM PST
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I cant disagree at all
Baltimore is pure dirty. The harbor has some fun places, but its too dirty and the water looks disgusting.
I live on the Eastside of the Chesapeake and this whole area is pathetic. There is such a thing as too much farmland. It amazes me how country this state is...but there are small ghettos all over the place. I lived in one that was in the middle of nowhere. Ghetto surrounded by farmland and rednecks. Its pretty strange.
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Jan 27, 2008 9:16 PM PST
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There is no such thing as too much farmland
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I lived in Iowa and Pullman for 5 years.
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Baltimore
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just for the record,
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rabble
Bavasi also denying reports of a deal being done
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/27/scoop.bedard/index.html
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Jan 27, 2008 8:30 PM PST
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I'd say
(But we're going to be there soon.)
MacPhail: "We do not have an agreement with the Mariners."
("Do Not" is not the same as "Will Not". It's likely they "Do Not" have an agreement until Tuesday)
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Jan 27, 2008 8:52 PM PST
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Ok so
I don't think we can fuck the angels with out some bats.
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Jan 27, 2008 8:34 PM PST
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I've just been wondering about this
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Jan 27, 2008 8:37 PM PST
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n/s
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Jan 27, 2008 8:38 PM PST
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Thats ridiculous
Regardless of how hungry they are, im sure if McPhail and Bavasi sat down for pizza, McPhail would ask for 7 of the 8 slices, and Bavasi would give it to him.
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Jan 27, 2008 8:42 PM PST
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If the pizza is Chicago style deep dish
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Jan 27, 2008 8:44 PM PST
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Translation
whatever = Why would i be surprised? Bavasi is a dumbshit!
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Who needs pitching prospects anyway?
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How many would we have left?
Unimpressive list.
Good greatness, why not trade Morrow (who will be a reliever now) instead of Jones? I will never understand that, regardless of how the trade looks in hindsight.
Yes, I said good greatness. Fuck the angels.
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Jan 27, 2008 8:53 PM PST
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Perhaps because the Os
by Matthew on
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You can still be shocked by the Mariners?
Nothing shocks me with this team.
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Jones was also said to be offlimits
This thing took 6 weeks, they must have had discussions about pretty much every possible angle. The O's desperately need a CF for the future and they can't get Pie back for Roberts then you can bet they were saying No Jones; No deal to Bill.
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Ramirez and Paredes
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Decent pitching prospects that would remain:
Ramirez (only Everett experience)
Aumont (zero experience)
Paredes (only Everett experience)
Haha. Us.
by Jeff on
Jan 27, 2008 9:14 PM PST
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What about Fister and Nose?
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How could I forget Ramirez?
I havent seen enough of Paredes. Any idea which affiliate he will be in this year?
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Interesting
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You think we could have gotten
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Losing Tillman and GS## would be a bummer
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If all these young pitchers
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Welcome to 2002!
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crap, back in High School
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The one thing that will continue to eat at me
As long as Clement, Wlad, and Carlos are still in the system, I can learn to be ok with this trade. But for all the excitement that we'll get every fifth day with Bedard, we're going to be reminded how freaking stupid Bavasi is every fifth day with Silva.
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I'm thinking
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only if Sexson
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Insurance
That doesn't mean I agree with the signing or anything. I'd have much preferred RA Dickey instead of Silva, but Bavasi must think Silva is good, so..........
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I'm sorry guys...
how long has bavasi been gm? cuz he's a bonafide dumbfuck.
here's the problem i have. i worry of pulling off something like the colorado mike hampton deal. Bedard comes in and just to make him feel gravy about seattle; we toss in a monster deal. he then sucks or gets hurt. meanwhile, 3-5prospects are sent off, with one (at least) being an absolute stud.
all of which we could have had cost effective control for 5yrs. instead, we'll be in the same shape as the current orioles.
as much as we may love one player or pitcher, they will not, all of a sudden, make us a contender. there's a reason why there are 13pitchers and 12position players.
it's great to have studs like felix, bedard, ichiro, beltre at times, but u'll never win a damn thing when you have the likes of vidro, ho, sex, ibanez defense, burke, reistma, parrish, silva. especially when you give guys like jones, soriano, fruto, broussard, away.
i'm sorry guys, for all of us to have to love and hate our mariners, when they don't know wtf they're doing. meanwhile, teams like cleveland, dodgers, and even tampa, dominate us on how to rebuild and manage teams.
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Jan 27, 2008 9:11 PM PST
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ok
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Jan 27, 2008 9:26 PM PST
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Ned Colletti only acquired Ethier of those
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good point...
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Jamie Burke is badass
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Gotta disagree about the Dodgers
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all org's treat someone like shit
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there is no doubting that this looks ill

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no way the hitting coach is giving up his #
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Jan 27, 2008 9:23 PM PST
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Don't worry, he's the 6th man in the trade
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I'm more worried about losing Newton.
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i read on mlbtraderumors
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As long as Coach Owens is NOT a throw in
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corco
you've been traded to the Royals for a few good kansas city steaks. enjoy your farmland
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Sounds good to me
See ya
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Sir Isaac Newton?
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that actually makes the "5" look good
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Please God let Brian Roberts be tacked on
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I'd rather forego adding Roberts
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Jan 27, 2008 9:22 PM PST
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Maybe its time to get past the ASG
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You worry about you, I'll worry about me
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This is why I usually pray to Santa.
by JI on
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This is YOUR fault, Jeff?
I see pitchforks and torches in your future, sir.
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Now I know what it's like to be gangbanged
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And maybe that phone call he got during
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He told you guys that he was gonna deal AJ.
by Goose on
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so....
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For as long as I've been blogging
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Jan 27, 2008 9:37 PM PST
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my first coherent post-coital thought
to be honest, I think erik bedard might have entered the subconscious before aj did. i don't know what that says. i'm telling you all my pillow thoughts instead of my wife. i don't know what that says either.
we're gonna go watch rerun of arrested development. and drink some more.
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Jan 27, 2008 9:54 PM PST
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You did the right thing
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at least Sherrill can still be GS52 :(
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Any chair throwing in your future, Jeff?
I thought for sure when Bedard started talking out negatively about Baltimore that maybe we might get some leverage and trade less. Not sure that this is the case anymore...
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Jan 27, 2008 10:00 PM PST
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I can't really act too violent
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Jan 27, 2008 10:01 PM PST
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I'm waiting for the Danny Ainge corollary to kick
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like someone said earlier
That's basically the Ainge method of winning.
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Get Bonds to DH too.
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What about GRIFFEY to fill our RF hole?
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I'm still not worried!
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Jan 27, 2008 10:36 PM PST
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word
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Jan 27, 2008 10:41 PM PST
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You guys are a little bit too high on Erik
by Baltimore on
Jan 28, 2008 6:47 AM PST
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HAHA
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Jan 28, 2008 11:32 AM PST
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I never said Cabrera bounces back...
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I also refuse to talk to media
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My question is this...
I just don't like what this could possibly lead to.
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Given the stand they supposedly took with
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Good Christ this deal scares the shit out of me.
Strikeouts were up. Before last year his career K/9 was 7.88. Last year, it was 10.93. That's about a 40% increase.
Walks were down. Before last year his career BB/9 was 3.72. Last year, it was 2.82. That's an improvement of about 25%.
LOB% last year? 77.7.
BABIP? About 25 points lower than his career average.
There's no denying that Bedard is a good pitcher, but he's due for some regression.
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Jan 28, 2008 7:33 AM PST
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No he's not
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Jan 28, 2008 7:40 AM PST
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By your metric, yes.
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I think Graham and I believe that 2007
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add me to the mix
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December 10th.
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Quick question
Also, does this make Felix the #2 starter? That's a good thing, yeah? Don't want to rip off his rotator cuff before he hits 25.
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Jan 28, 2008 8:34 AM PST
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Let's see
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Much more power
Jones hit 25hrs last year in a partial season in the most HR-suppressing park in the PCL. At 21. Despite Albuquerque, the PCL sees fewer HRs than MLB.
Put all of that together and I just don't understand how his CEILING, at age 28 or so, in MLB, isn't 35-40HRs.
Granderson has never in his career hit as many HRs as Jones did last year, in 400+ABs in the PCL. At 21.
I'm going to go throw up now.
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Jan 28, 2008 11:01 AM PST
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yeah but Granderson notched 23 triples
.300/.360/.550 I think is a fine guesstimate for Jones' ceiling
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Jan 28, 2008 11:03 AM PST
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That raw line is quite nice
:bleeahrrghg. hhrrrlngggk:
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Jan 28, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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550 is really really high
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Jan 28, 2008 11:48 AM PST
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when he was a 40 HR guy
Take that same iso and apply it to a .300 BA and :blearaeahgghghgkn:
uh, sorry about that, I thought I was over...:hrrblearrkkk:
But yes, Beltran's age 29 year is closer to his peak than Granderson. Of course, the entire package, with defense, yeah, I can sort of see that in terms of value.
I gotta stop thinking about this.
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Jan 28, 2008 2:36 PM PST
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So you think Adam Jones' ceiling is higher than
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I think technically it is pessimistic.
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He and Granderson have different styles
Cammy is who I think he could be if he doesn't really get any better than he is right now.
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According to ESPN
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Jan 28, 2008 9:10 AM PST
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Sadly, thats good news...
Still not enamored with Butler AND Tillman, though.
by Slica on
Jan 28, 2008 10:02 AM PST
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No surprise
by Jeff on
Jan 28, 2008 10:10 AM PST
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Good God
We are sending these poor souls to hell. :(
by Slica on
Jan 28, 2008 10:14 AM PST
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*sigh*
by Jeff on
Jan 28, 2008 10:16 AM PST
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Maybe he'll get to close
by JI on
Jan 28, 2008 10:23 AM PST
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As much as I love GS52
by EnglishMariner on
Jan 28, 2008 10:26 AM PST
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Agreed
by Bodhizefa on
Jan 28, 2008 12:31 PM PST
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According to Hickey
by Slica on
Jan 28, 2008 12:37 PM PST
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jebus
by wadswerth on
Jan 28, 2008 12:47 PM PST
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Just because he hasn't been informed yet
I mean, the M's aren't exactly known for their courtesy phone calls. And he never received a phone call from anyone that Silva was taking his number (he found out when his bro' called upon 'hearing' my temper tantrum on this here blog), so...
by PositivePaul on
Jan 28, 2008 1:24 PM PST
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Erik can hang out with Weaver somewhere
<3 anagrams
by PShwa on
Jan 28, 2008 4:09 PM PST
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Anagrams are the haiku of 2008
by pdb on
Jan 28, 2008 4:11 PM PST
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I don't know.
by Librocrat on
Jan 28, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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You're not convincing me
by pdb on
Jan 28, 2008 4:13 PM PST
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Kind of like using too soon? as a punchline.
by Jeff on
Jan 28, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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That's what he asked her.
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Jan 28, 2008 4:17 PM PST
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what the fucking hell?
That's six kinds of dumb.
by marc w on
Jan 28, 2008 10:06 PM PST
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They're annoying because
But, kudos to you for defending the form with the form.
by pdb on
Jan 29, 2008 7:01 AM PST
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To the person who signed me up
by Jeff on
Jan 29, 2008 12:20 AM PST
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I thought you'd like them.
You're welcome.
by The Alaskan on
Jan 29, 2008 8:50 AM PST
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Strangely enough
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Jan 29, 2008 8:55 AM PST
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I have a feeling they changed their style.
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Jan 29, 2008 9:15 AM PST
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Weird.
The pentagram chalked out on the walkway?
I'll let them know you're interested. Tell them there are some folks looking for direction in their life right around the corner. I think I can get a discount on my eternal salvation if I refer 5 friends.
by The Alaskan on
Jan 29, 2008 9:17 AM PST
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I like to think
by pdb on
Jan 29, 2008 9:21 AM PST
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I get the sense
What's in your wallet? Everlasting peace and joy, that's what! Hallelujah!
by The Alaskan on
Jan 29, 2008 9:44 AM PST
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man
by seattlebruin on
Jan 29, 2008 10:19 AM PST
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Well, obviously
by The Alaskan on
Jan 29, 2008 10:37 AM PST
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i got lunch
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Jan 29, 2008 12:36 PM PST
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Jeff
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Jan 29, 2008 12:38 PM PST
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I know
I guess I just have to trust you fuckers.
by Jeff on
Jan 29, 2008 1:02 PM PST
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if it's not
by Matthew on
Jan 29, 2008 2:22 PM PST
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Yeah I never got around to doing that
by Jeff on
Jan 29, 2008 2:24 PM PST
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