It's Appropriately Raining In San Diego Right Now

66 SP in the last 10 years to get an ERA < 3. The odds are against him. If anything goes wrong then basically you aren't gonna get it. I'm not going to say Bedard's year last year was a fluke but I'll be surprised if he does better than it.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's fair

yeah, I don't think the odds of a sub-3 ERA are >50%. But they're still pretty good. If anyone's going to do it this year, Bedard has as good a chance as anyone, save for Peavy.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the good news is that I found no evidence of that

his 2007 performance was real.

Boy, it would have made sense to hire Mazzone huh?

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, I flipped the meaning

I found no evidence that his 2007 wasn't real.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We hurt now, but lets have fun:

2007:

1.Felix
2.WASH
3.Batista
4.HoRam
5.Weaver

2008:

1.Bedard
1.Felix
3.Silva
4.Batista
5.Washburn

Very, very nice rotation. If our defence plays to its potential, we should be hard to score against.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If our defense plays to its potential

we'll be a pretty bad defensive team. Ibanez and Wilkerson in the OF? Yeah. No thanks.

by tait644 on Jan 27, 2008 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I just want to know the other 3 involved

Just how crazy was the deal?

by Ben in Va on Jan 27, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

same here

I just wanna know who else is gone.

LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sexson, Vidro, and Willie?

In our dreams. More like Tillman, Triunfel, and Morrow.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by Addicted to Quack on Jan 27, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd have hoped that if Bavasi

had something up his sleeve, like at least using this to get rid of Richie. He's just not that smart, though.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by Addicted to Quack on Jan 27, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

is there any way

we're getting a second player back?

by seattlebruin on Jan 27, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If we do, it will be a filler.

If it was someone good like Roberts then we would have heard about it by now.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just heard about this.

It obviously makes you guys better short term, and by 2009 you'll have the money to sign him to an extension. Losing Jones though...yikes.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jan 27, 2008 5:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The waiting

to find out who else is baltimore bound is killing me

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'd offer condolences...

except that while Jones is a heavy price to pay, Bedard is in my top five favorite pitchers to watch in baseball. Complete stud, and the health issues he's had seem behind him now.

by NHZ on Jan 27, 2008 5:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ok i'm closing my browser and not getting back

on until tomorrow morning. Hopefully by then we'll have some good info on the trade and everything will be sorted out. This is just frustrating me.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ok i lied

I'm back. Wow I only lasted 20 minutes. Thats pathetic.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

just like

crack

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think we'll live

by Gomez on Jan 27, 2008 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Some eye candy

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/team/player_media.jsp?player_id=407853

Recommended: 07.08.2007 | Bedard strikes out 15

That curve/slurve ... that's my second favourite pitch in baseball just behind Johan's circle change.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I love the announcers after..

the 5th inning strikeout. "When is he gonna be done?"

Losing A.J. BLOWS but, the return could be worse.

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

that clip actually made Josh Lewin sound tolerable.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hehe, yeah.

Totally overdramatic, just the way I like it.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

also included in the highlight

2 Brad Wilkerson K's, which is something else we should probably get used to seeing.

LET WLAD BAT!!!!

by MFAN on Jan 27, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

wlad will just be a super badass in spring training an take jones spot

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No matter how bad ass he is with the bat

He's still not going to be as fast at Jones and as good at covering RF.

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Baker says he's open to an extension now.

So that's something. That would make it better, certainly, and would negate a little of that "We would have had Adam Jones for 6 years rather than 2" problem. So that's something.

Babies hate me.

by Librocrat on Jan 27, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I might be overlooking it - but where does he

say that?

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure if I'd want to extend Bedard

haven't looked into it, but he'll be 31 after 2009

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Found it...

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're welcome

The pup that laughs when you're down on your luck.

by Scrappy the Scapegoat on Jan 27, 2008 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

We need

a mole inside the m's front office for times like this, so we can find out whos going to baltimore

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

We need a Chris Antonelli in the M's front office

so we can stop people from going to Baltimore in the first place.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now go get Santana

Fuck it, let's do this thing.

by Garces on Jan 27, 2008 5:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha could you imagine?

A team comes to Seattle for a 3-game set and has to face Johan, Bedard and Felix

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I've found out why the Orioles might want Sherrill

Sounds like they're planning on flipping him to Atlanta for Lillibridge.

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 5:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

haha

i was waiting for that to come out

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You realize you scared him away.

He hangs out on PI and DOV now.

Babies hate me.

by Librocrat on Jan 27, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That was my intent

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm aware.

Babies hate me.

by Librocrat on Jan 27, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well played

That duplicate posting did annoy me, though apparently not as much as some others

by batura on Jan 27, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My Mariner fandom

all hinging on Triunfel, now.

I love having Bedard, but this a steep price.

We also learned that when Bavasi and another GM are 'not budging', Bavasi will cave.

Side note, this definitely qualifies for gamethread emotion, right? Fuck damn shit.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

We don't know if Bavasi caved.

Won't really know until we see who else is in the deal.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's MacPhail who caved

I recall Bavasi saying he put his best deal on the table and it was just a waiting game at that point.

Of course the price could still be very high even if that's the case.

by ThundaPC on Jan 27, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

most indications are that Bavasi left out a "final offer" on the table for Baltimore (Jones+Tillman+Sherill) a while ago and left it at that.

Slowly the Reds dropped out since they refused to give up Bruce, so the Orioles were left to accept the Mariners' offer. Rumor is that 4 players are going to the Orioles, but I doubt the 4th is important.

I'd be surprised if Bavasi doesn't feel like he came out on the winning side here. He obviously wasn't adverse to trading Jones in the first place.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point, both of you

Sadly im trying to see the bright side...we got a good pitcher, and someone said he may be open for an extension...and of course 'it could be worse'...

Still, Carlos Triunfel is the difference between me following the Mariners in the long term vs. me following the Brewers. Good God can they keep at LEAST one of my favorite players? :(.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They still have Beltre and Felix

and Putz.

When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.

by Mariner John on Jan 27, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

To make things easier on myself

I am going to sleep now fully expecting the trade details waiting for me in the morning of our four player trade to be as follows:

SP E.Bedard for:

OF A.Jones
OF I.Suzuki
SP F.Hernandez
RP J.Putz

And to think, I could have chosen to support the Yankees or Red Sox...

by EnglishMariner on Jan 27, 2008 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

wow

at least you wont be disappointed tomorrow morning

by seattlebruin on Jan 27, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll never EVER leave the Mariners

just saying.

So....What are we HAPPY with giving up?

Is AJ/Tillman/Sherrill the best we're gonna see?

I'm happy with giving that up, when you really think about it(that AJ was leaving no matter what).

If Carlos/Morrow are BOTH NOT in the deal, I'd say we didnt do horrendously.

by PShwa on Jan 27, 2008 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Tillman > Morrow in terms of this trade

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

100% true.

Just saying in terms of we KNOW what were getting/giving up.

there is still the chance Tillman isnt who we think he'll be.

same with Carlos.

But your point makes sense.

Im happy with Carlos staying, truthfully.

by PShwa on Jan 27, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty satisfied with that

I'd like a little more than just Bedard, though, but whatever.

I want to wait until this is all finished. If the Mariners continue to run Ibanez and Vidro out there every day and use Morrow in the pen, we didn't gain much for '08.

But if they sign Kenny Lofton and/or Wilkerson as platoon players and move Ibanez to 1B/DH.....different story.

Not loving the trade for Jason Bay talk, though.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

poop. Poopity-poop.

If you are gonna give up a ton of good players, you may as well do it for a top ace.

by jtopps on Jan 27, 2008 6:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Remember;

the most important thing is that when things get really bad and the world looks its darkest, you just have to throw up your hands and say "Well, all right!" Because it's probably gonna get a whole hell of a lot worse.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 6:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

To Monday!

Yeah!

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I am going to have a horrific hangover

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Welcome to this morning

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I've had a bottle of gin since the deal went down

I am so angry that I'm still typing legibly.

This is a worrisome combination.

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

When I took a shower this morning

I noticed that my left foot was cut open and my right arm had a massive bruise.

So my advice to you is, if you're going to try to drink this all away, wear pads.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I was wearing my pads

For a hockey match this afternoon. They didn't help very much. I could only feel 1/4 limbs by the time I was done.

The other team had a fucking England international.

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So the other team sucked then

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You want to be in goal against that?

Be my guest.

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

People have tossed stuff at me before

I can't imagine any British hockey player really brings the heat.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

She's been clocked at 90+ mph.

And yes, I got my ass kicked by a girl.

by Graham on Jan 27, 2008 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My driver's license photo

serves as a memory of the night before my 18th birthday, when in celebration I passed out with my head on the stove. I've got a huge burn on my chin.

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 27, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So

Whats our OF look like?

Anyone think Balentien will be in it? I doubt he is involved in the trade...

Trying to calm down. For me, its not because its a bad trade...its because its my favorite players. Again. Thats why im whining so much. Aside Lopez, who isnt special anymore, there is noone on the roster im willing to overcook food for when said player comes to the plate. Just defending myself before im ripped for talking Brewers. Remember, I still watch every Sonics game.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Well...at least pitching should be fun to watch

this year.

Bedard-Felix>Webb-Haren

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jan 27, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Annnd.. the plot thickens?

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/roch/blog/2008/01/no_longer_waiting.html

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 6:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Granted - its probably just because

no physicals have been taken yet.. but who knows

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

http://lookoutlanding.com/comments/2006/12/6/174023/880/24#24

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

::Sob::

by seattlesundevil on Jan 27, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks for the flashback

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Way to open up old wounds

I bet you're a blast at parties.

by JLC on Jan 27, 2008 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Goth parties

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Daniel Cabrera here we come...

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 27, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

bedard and aumont will get along seeing as they are both french canadiens

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 6:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Another Question

I realize we should wait until the dust settles, but its a painful wait...so

What happens to Ho? Morrow?

Our 3-5 pitchers cost a ton for their spots now.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ho disappears

and Morrow keeps the same role in the bullpen.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

I would agree on Ho, especially if he sucks in ST.

Morrow is pretty interesting. He belongs in Triple A starting, but if Sherill is involved (he claims he hasnt been called about anything yet), I guess Morrow is a lock for the bullpen.

This whole thng is giving me brain cramps.

by Slica on Jan 27, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Unless Morrow badly fucks up ST

I'd be shocked to see him in AAA next year, regardless

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 27, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It'll never happen

but if this trade did result in Morrow going to Tacoma's rotation; that would soften the blow considerably.

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

2 ifs for the bullpen

if Sherrill isn't dealt and if Lowe returns to his 2006 form, would there be a team with a better pitching staff?

Rotation of Bedard, Felix, Silva, Washburn Batista

Bullpen of JJ, Sherrill, Morrow, Lowe, O'Flaherty, Green, Rowland-Smith

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 27, 2008 6:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

the red sox

by Matthew on Jan 27, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But do the Red Sox have a hyphenated player?

by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Jan 27, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know about better

but Boston and Cleveland would be right up there, and the Angels are solid.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Boston

has a better rotation .... but all arms rotation and bullpen?

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 27, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Their bullpen's pretty darn good

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do they still have Tavarez?

When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.

by Mariner John on Jan 27, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

that ugly mofo's got some job security.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What if Felix put it all together?

"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm accounting for that

if he puts up another 4 ERA in Safeco, then, no, we won't be the best.

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess it could be worse.

In the past I could see us doing something like this for Odalis Perez (post-2002) or Carl Pavano (post-whatever his good year was).

"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well well well...

"MacPhail said Jones is not coming to Baltimore for a physical."

by Fett42 on Jan 27, 2008 6:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

and Jones

is directly quoted as saying that: "(Bill Bavasi) called me yesterday and told me the news. I've got to go to Baltimore tomorrow morning and handle things there. I'm the centerpiece of the deal on the Mariners side."

Who do you want to believe, a GM that can't comment until a deal is finalized, or a player that has been directly been told?

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 27, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-os

by Fett42 on Jan 27, 2008 6:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Er

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-os0127,0,5598077.story

by Fett42 on Jan 27, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm excited

I know that it probably wasn't the greatest (or even good) trade, but Erik fricking Bedard is the best pitcher the Mariners have had since Randy Johnson (until Felix figures out how to pitch a little better) come what may, but as of today I am optimistic that this could work out (unless we gave up Triunfel in which case I may go murder Bavasi)

Don't listen to their lies, Bill! Look at the sparkly ERA! Sparkly sparkly! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown2 on Jan 27, 2008 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

well, from jim street

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080127&content_id=2357273&vkey=news_sea&fext=. jsp&c_id=sea&partnered=rss_sea

The Mariners apparently would send Jones, left-handed reliever George Sherrill and Minor League pitcher Chris Tillman, along with one more Minor League player, to the rebuilding Orioles for Bedard.

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Jan 27, 2008 7:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Someone should probably tell that to George

by Jeff on Jan 27, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That makes this trade make less sense

if the idea is to WIN! this year, why are we gutting our team the major league level?

"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

bedard isn't that bad

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

by GarlicFryCubFan on Jan 27, 2008 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Rosenthal is reporting

that it could possibly be a five for one.

"I hate so much about the things... you... choose to be."

by JI on Jan 27, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

How THE FUCK does a PITCHER HELP THE OUTFIELD!!!!!

At the end of 2007, the Mariners had a few problems:

2 shitty starting pitchers
2 shitty outfielders. One of which was rated as one of the WORST at his JOB in the industry.
A first baseman that was so bad, he even said (yesterday) he prefered playing away because no one boo-ed him there.
A DH who can't field, can't run and do not hit for power. (And if you watched the games, he got a bunch of hits because the other team was unable to turn a double play!)
AND finally one bullpen spot that went to a physically more mature pitcher that had nothing else to give to this team other than showing the kids what their balls were going to look like at
the age of 40.
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