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9/15: Open Game Thread

Wbc_029_tiny by Jeff Sullivan on in Seattle Mariners News, Regular

First Pitch: 6:05pm PDT

                   

Iwamura 3B Ichiro CF Crawford LF Beltre 3B Pena 1B Guillen RF Upton CF Ibanez DH Young RF Johjima C Harris 2B Vidro 1B Gomes DH Betancourt SS Navarro C Jones LF Wilson SS Ballgame 2B ---------- ----------

Kazmir (12-8, 3.65)        

Horacio Ramirez and Jeff Weaver over their last seven combined starts: 26.2 innings, 34 runs, 62 baserunners, 12 strikeouts

(The team has gone 1-6 in these starts despite scoring an average of five runs a game.)

Jorge Campillo, Ryan Feierabend, and RRS over the same amount of time: 19.1 innings, 7 runs, 25 baserunners, 19 strikeouts

Yeah, it's just relief, and yeah, all three of these guys have problems of their own that basically leave them as replacement-level starters in the here-and-now, but replacement level is light years ahead of what we've been getting for most of the summer. That a change still hasn't been made to this day by a team that likes to think it's a serious contender just absolutely boggles the mind. When we look back on this season and wonder why we fell short, the staggering loyalty to underachieving veterans is going to be right at the top of the list. Yeah, young players get managers fired. But bad older players lose games. Somebody, please, learn a lesson.

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Great news!

Hargrove is back to coaching a minor league team!!

Their name is (I kid you not) the Liberal BeeJay's.  Apparently Hargrove is managing his team out of the back of a porno theater in San Francisco! :)

by Notor on Sep 15, 2007 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

BJ's
will also cause spasms.

by 116in01 on Sep 15, 2007 5:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm more annoyed
At that fact tha McLaren said he had to "sleep on it" in regards to both letting HoRam and Jeff Weaver get another start.  As if he was seriously considering letting someone else start in their place.  Not sure why he has to think about it given the fact that he's stuck with every struggling veteran since he took over.

McLaren is doing a great job as the team's therapist but he's not a Major League Manager.  We're going to need one if we want to win in 2008.

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Even Red agrees that Beltre in the two hole
is stupid.  His OBP just doesn't play well there.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 15, 2007 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

It would appear that Lopez is finished here.
It would also appear that Raul Ibanez is batting third against one of the toughest lefties you'll ever see.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

It would appear to me that he's fourth
And it would also appear to me that what Raul does against left-handed starters can't really be considered "batting".

by BrettJMiller on Sep 15, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's consult the dictionary:
9.    batt.
-verb (used with object)
10.    to strike or hit with or as if with a bat or club.

More players need to use a club.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is dumb
I don't think Lopez will ever become something great, but you have to give him another year, especially after the brother thing this season.

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think the brother thing is legitimate
but yeah, we're going to run Lopez out a year too early.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

neither do I
but considering that everything out there is going to be a marginal upgrade... (mariner execs eye's graze over)

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

So.....
Should we put up a poll where we think Lopez is going to get traded too in the off season?

And are we gonna see, Jose Vidro-2B in 2008? Shudder the thought.

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Sep 15, 2007 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

God I hope Nebraska gets shellacked
Normally I dislike USC, but I'm so fucking sick of listening to my roommate whose older sister recently (this semester) became a Nebraska grad student rant about how great Nebraska is, since he's been a fan for about 2 weeks and knows none of the players.
Washington Highways

by Corco on Sep 15, 2007 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Kreuger's Keys to the Game
> Louisiana Lightning

> Inherit'em, we score'em

> Scoreboard Watching

.....huh?

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 5:54 PM PDT reply actions  

"If he has a good changeup today"?
That would require that Horacio Ramirez know how to throw a changeup first.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 6:03 PM PDT reply actions  

hahaha
Lopez trying to dance with Felix in the dugout.

by krb on Sep 15, 2007 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Even Blowers
Wonders how long Mac's going to leave HoRam out when he falls apart again.

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Niehaus is either completely losing it
or just doesn't care. Called the Rays the Blue Jays twice.

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

PULL HIM MAC!
You got a great effort out of him already!

by BrettJMiller on Sep 15, 2007 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

paging: Ryan Rowland-Smith
Mr. Rowland-Smith, you are needed on the SafeCo mound. Please pick up the white courtesy phone.

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 6:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Most obvious double-play ever?
It'll only prolong Ho's spot in the rotation and make us mad, so it's going to happen.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 15, 2007 6:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Campillo warming up
Yea, you shoulda started him in the first place.

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

If for whatever reason I need my plug pulled
I am not letting Mac be the executor of my living will.

by JI on Sep 15, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Out of the game
before an out is recorded.

by krb on Sep 15, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHA
bitchin'!

Boo his ass!

by JI on Sep 15, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Ho's out!!
I bet he's out of the rotation!  FINALLY!  WOOOOO!!!!!!

by BrettJMiller on Sep 15, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

HoRam yanked.
Have a nice trip out of Seattle, buddy.

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm so happy right now...
Ho getting pulled w/o an out.  I don't think we'll ever have to see him again!!!  :D

by SethGrandpa on Sep 15, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope he hasn't blown all his money.
I hate to think what he'd have to do to pay for a bus ticket back to Atlanta.

by JI on Sep 15, 2007 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

In the postgame interview John McLaren will say,
"He was nibbling a bit and didn't have his best stuff. I'll have to sleep on whether he gets another start."

by 116in01 on Sep 15, 2007 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Fuck you Ho
is Jo-el better?
Burke for Starting Catcher!

by mariners11 on Sep 15, 2007 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh Campillo
your not helping yourself become a starter

by krb on Sep 15, 2007 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

What the...
I walk inside to this?

Really?

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

well
atleast on my fantasy teams i have upton, young, and pena so horam is good for them.  to bad he isnt so good for the m's
Only it turned out drug dealers and pimps appreciate art.

by wadswerth on Sep 15, 2007 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Double-Play
And the run doesn't even come in the score.

Sweet!

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Screw it....
Give the ball to WFB or Ichiro

by IrishMariner on Sep 15, 2007 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

hmm, watch this or go play MLB '07
with my Peavy-Felix-Webb-Liriano-Hamels rotation?

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I plan on watching the Cougar stomp Idaho.
Oh wait, the Cards just took the lead.

Let's see if I can handle 3 at once...

by JI on Sep 15, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aki Iwamura
arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of Ichiro's soul.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Adrian Beltre
making a serious run at Ichiro for most entertaining player on the team.

WTF was that? did Ichiro break his leg on the way to 2nd or something?

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 6:40 PM PDT reply actions  

STOP hitting and running with Adrian Beltre
it makes him swing at everything.

I'm pretty sure Adrian is unaware that he draw a walk by taking a pitch 3-2.

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I just missed with the trigger, but

There must be something more to life.

by JI on Sep 15, 2007 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

if that were my kid
he wouldn't have functioning arms after doing that.

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 6:49 PM PDT reply actions  

ICHIRO HURTS THIS TEAM BY-
wait, you can't hurt something that's already dead.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 6:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Kazmir will be great
once he gets his command just a little bit more under control and throws his changeup more. Few in baseball possess his upside.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 6:59 PM PDT reply actions  

technically no, he was out
but he can convince the umpires that he can steal

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ruh-ohs
Fiererabended looks thrilled to be warming up for this slop.

Oh, and Gomes was out.

by IrishMariner on Sep 15, 2007 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Tampa has a heck of a future
so I'm sure Maddon wouldn't mind putting it on the resume.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey, all right, a batter he can strike out
I guess the qualification is that the batter be of AA quality.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

The Dodgers this year
have a .212 batting average with the bases loaded.

The Tigers are at .400.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Killing time at work
Going through old customer recipts on the Radio Shack website, Guess what Port Orchard resident purchased a Pink Razr?

by Robert on Sep 15, 2007 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Good ol' regression
Willie is 5 for his last 29, with five singles. But he's better than Jose...

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Blowers...
likes his bat black and 34" long. It needs to have good grip and a big knob on the end.

by Faux on Sep 15, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

At least it's not FSN Florida
which consistently clocks Kaz's fastball at 90, despite the fact that it's obvious from watching that it's traveling at a much quicker rate than that.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I just noticed that Dave is still calling the game
I guess Niehaus is calling the whole game tonight.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey idiot
Spell better.

This is almost as bad as the guy who wrote "rallie fries" the other night.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm guessing
he doesn't help the kids with their homework.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave's reaction to the HR
had to be one of the most nonplussed reactions he's ever had to a HR.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Feierabend
Has not moved forward as I thought he would earlier in the year.  

Big disappointment.

by Paytheline on Sep 15, 2007 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Could be worse...could be anothe Ho
Boy, somebody forgot to drink their grateful juice this morning.

by Slica on Sep 15, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well
He has progressed from 'able to get AA hitters out and can't get MLBers' to 'able to get AAA hitters out and can't get MLBers'.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

They talk about the yankees...
more than the YES idiots talk about the yankees.

by Faux on Sep 15, 2007 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Fair point.
And you can't question his sock height efforts.

by Paytheline on Sep 15, 2007 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it's about time for McLaren to come out
point to that guy with the sign, and have Wlad relieve.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh lord
Rick Rizzs.

Ears bleeding.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh goodie
It's Rizzszszszszszszszzszss

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I still don't understand
what Rick Peterson thought was wrong with Kazmir's mechanics.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 7:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, if I'm Stuart Sternberg
I rip the roof off Tropicana Field, sell it to Cleveland and use the funds to pay Carlos Peña's extension.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good job, Willie
Nick Green totally couldn't have done that.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Willie now 5 for his last 30
Seriously dude, this is not an upgrade.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh look, good variance for Sean Green
Too bad it didn't really help the Mariners there.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey look
guys don't need to pitch to contact in order to be good.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 8:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Pitching to contact
is for pitchers who can't understand the concept of changing speeds.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, season ticket holders are smart.
Or at least smarter than the rest of the rubes. The place is packed except for the season seats.

by Faux on Sep 15, 2007 8:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Great story.
"Blow, what was it like to face Nolan Ryan?"

"I don't know."

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Kazmir's control isn't that bad
to be honest with you. I know the stats say differently, but it's more a thing with him not putting away batters than it is not being able to find the strike zone.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

That was a strike.
The umps have an anti-Tampa bias.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Huh
apparently Chan Ho Park has spent the season putting up a 6 ERA in AAA.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 8:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Well
Maybe we'll get the bullpen for the 7th..

by krb on Sep 15, 2007 8:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmm...
I think Turbo's hittin the hot dogs in the on-deck circle.

by Faux on Sep 15, 2007 8:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Johjima is a pesk
he single handedly raised Shields and Kaz's PC's the past two nights.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 8:24 PM PDT reply actions  

If Maddon is smart
which he's not, he'd pitch Kaz another inning. He'd face Seattle's weak part of the order.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Our favorite pompous assbag, Curt Schilling
has said that he'd be interested in pitching for Tampa Bay next year.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

If we lose this game
can we just start the WE chart at zero and say "Ho starts -50%". That would be good enough for me.

by PDXTai on Sep 15, 2007 8:28 PM PDT reply actions  

No way
I just saw a Tampa Bay jersey in the seats.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 8:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Women in baseball jerseys = meh
Women in football jerseys = let's talk

Women in hockey jerseys = you're coming home with me whether you like it or not

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually yes
wearing that one just gives me something to talk about with her.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

you sell baseball too short
it's just really hit or miss. You find one not wearing one that's not sparkling new and with a baseball cap that's NOT some fucked up color scheme, you might have yourself a winner.

by Matthew on Sep 15, 2007 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take away all the Ho starts...
and we have a good chance of being first in the WC still.

by Faux on Sep 15, 2007 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

LETS GO MARINERS!
clap clap clapclapclap

ugh...

by Faux on Sep 15, 2007 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought Gary Glover
Was doing time for Vietnamese child rape.

by Paytheline on Sep 15, 2007 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Good God....
Beltre's good. I might have to ask Red about joining the club.

by IrishMariner on Sep 15, 2007 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Huh
Salas = converted position player. Mildly interesting.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 15, 2007 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep
Used to be a 3rd baseman.  Flatlined as a hitter in High A and never played as a position player any higher than AA.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raul HRs
should be redubbed 'Adam Jones benchings'

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I still think
that the word for a palindrome should be a palindrome itself.  Maybe something like palinilap.      Or Pallap.  I'll talk to my English teacher.

by J_G on Sep 15, 2007 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of these days
Vidro's bat is going to snap when he leans on it after taking a pitch inside.

by ThundaPC on Sep 15, 2007 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Five straight
and all big leads at one point, sans last night.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

HOLY BALLS
Just a second slower and that would have been the unthinkable.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn, Delmon
Where was that with two outs in the bottom 9th against Boston?  Lolololol

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry for the diversion, but....
Is the chick sitting behind the on-deck circle wearing scrubs?

by IrishMariner on Sep 15, 2007 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

In that case
his kung fu no good against ours.

If there's one thing the Mariners love, it's a strike throwing pitcher with poor command.

by PDXTai on Sep 15, 2007 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Having been dragged to a few
There's a lot of large chicks shuffling in a matter than can be loosely referred to as 'dancing'.

by Gomez on Sep 15, 2007 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy f'ing crap
we didn't blow it. Kazmir is now 13-8 and tied for Santana for what will be the race for the AL strikeout crown. Good stuff.

by killa3312 on Sep 15, 2007 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Off topic
Sexson espisode of House is on USA as we speak.

by Robert on Sep 15, 2007 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

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