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The ZOOperstars Will Not Be Performing At My Birthday

And so ends the most successful LL-related trip to Seattle I've ever had. Of course, the beauty of the whole racket is that even when my vacation's over, I get to come back and watch baseball. On the other hand, I suppose one could argue it's a little weird that my vacation from my job is basically part of my job, but still. It was a blast. Countless thanks go out to Dave, Derek, Bill, Bob, Geoff, Mike, Pat, Red, all you guys, and most importantly Devin (who long-time readers will remember as the original LL minor league writer) for making the trip so much fun.

For three days, it was wall-to-wall baseball. Flying in early Thursday morning, we had a quick turnaround between dropping stuff off at Devin's house and picking up Dave for lunch with Geoff Baker by his office. Negotiating the traffic and navigation on the way was less than pleasant (the gridlock is why I don't think I could ever live in Seattle for very long), but it was worth the trouble once we got to where we were going, as Geoff's a great guy who's full of stories and real easy to chat with for a few hours as you lose track of time. And he'd never so much as met any of us before in his life. I know a few of his opinions have caused a stir in these parts, but he isn't lazy; everything he says has been thought through from start to finish, and even if you disagree with a few of his conclusions, you have to respect the fact that he's done his own research and doesn't say anything without thoroughly considering every angle. He's a huge, huge upgrade over the clinically retarded Mariner barnacle he replaced, and I hope he never stops writing. At least, not until I do.

After lunching with Baker, the three of us drove down to Cheney to pick up the tickets and get ready for that night's Tacoma LL/USSM event with Bill Bavasi. Adam Jones had literally just been promoted, and while I was disappointed that I didn't get to spend the duration of the Q&A wearing a Jones mask over my face, I can't help but think that Bavasi made the call in large part so he wouldn't have to answer 500 versions of the same question.

I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Mike Curto and Jason Churchill a few hours before the game, but soon thereafter it was time to go to the gate and hand out tickets to the arriving hordes. People filed in, and around 5:45 or so we all crowded into the designated section to give Bavasi an "(Expletive) Dave Samson" t-shirt and listen to him and Dave compete over who can talk for longer without opening up the floor for more questions. (Bavasi won.) I'll leave it up to other peoples' discretion as to what's okay to report from the talk, but I will say this - it renewed my belief that our next GM needs to have the same personality and completely opposite philosophies. I love that Bill is so warm, affable, and willing to show up at these things to interact with an assortment of his harshest critics, but that just makes it harder to understand why he's seemingly so ready to stab us in the back with some of his signings and trades. I have very little faith that this is the guy we'll have running the team when we finally get to where we all want to go.

Perhaps the greatest part of the whole talk came when ticket-holders walked up before the game and started to lay claim to their seats around where we'd gathered. Cheney doesn't have an auditorium anywhere, so we had to hold the Q&A in one of the sections, competing with a PA soundtrack dating to 1996. Because of this, naturally, there were other people with tickets for the section, and I got a kick out of watching how they responded to the casual presence of the guy running what's presumably their favorite team. A few noticed and sat down around the periphery while a few more sat a row behind him and didn't so much as turn around, but by far my favorite response came from the people who had tickets for the row in which Bavasi was standing. Seemingly taking no notice of the 40-odd people hanging on this man's every word, the ticket-holders asked him to move and, when told to wait a few minutes, collectively cast the irritable glare of someone who doesn't understand where this gigantic bald clown is coming from in telling them to hold on to their horses. That a man that conspicuous isn't immediately identified at an affiliated baseball stadium just boggles the mind in more ways than it's ever been boggled.

The game itself was pretty good, as Robert Rohrbaugh extended his scoreless inning streak to 20 with his second consecutive CG shutout. (I'll take "guys who're better than Ho" for $500, Alex.) Dave was busy fielding questions for a solid three hours while I enjoyed my status as a secondary attraction, keeping an eye on the field and shooting the breeze with Devin, PLU Tim, and okdan. Eventually it came to a close and people started filing out, but while the USSM crowd took off, most of the LL guys came down to chat for a little while longer. Which is good, because the downside of having an event that large is that it's hard to talk with everyone during a three-hour game. You guys are a fiercely loyal bunch, and I appreciate it. The average LL reader also appears to be younger than the average USSM reader, which must've played a part in determining who stuck around and who sprinted home to go to sleep. It's weird how the demographics are so different between two extraordinarily similar sites. I guess Dave is right after all - they're the classroom, and we're the frat house. We just need a sister sorority.

After the game Dave, Tim, Jim Thomsen, Devin, and I went out for a few drinks with Curto, which is only notable for the fact that I'm pretty sure I still owe Curto about twenty bucks. Although on the other hand, one of my prevailing life philosophies is that there's never a good reason to turn down a free beer. Ever. Even if someone's only joking, jump on the offer and guilt them into coming through. You'll save a lot of money and figure out who your real friends are in no time.

Friday was the Everett event with Bob Fontaine. While I'd seen Tacoma before, I'd never been to a game below AAA, so I was looking forward to witnessing the presumably vastly inferior play in person. Getting there made me question just how badly I really wanted to see it, since it must've been a three-hour trip from Devin's driveway to the stadium parking lot, but as soon as we arrived the irritation melted away pretty quickly. Once again, we stood in front handing out tickets to the gathering masses, although this time we had to wait until the middle school alpha male security guard opened the gates to let us in.

Like Tacoma, Everett doesn't have an auditorium, so Bob Fontaine spoke to us from the bottom of the section behind home plate. Fontaine was a bottomless well of anecdotes, information, and Wild West mustaches, and it was a shame that we were forced to stop after about half an hour, since he clearly had a lot of fun talking to the group. I imagine his is a face we'll be seeing again for the next event, provided Bavasi hasn't been canned by then. He has way more to say than you can condense into 30 minutes of questions and answers.

I was disappointed that Red never showed up, since he'd bought tickets to the event for himself and his girlfriend, but as we walked to our actual seats I saw the two of them already sitting there. Evidently they'd just arrived late and missed the talk. Adorned in his best home Carl Everett jersey, Red made quite the first impression, and if you think he couldn't possibly be more awesome than he seems in the screengrabs we get from MLB.tv, you're sorely mistaken. In person, he's everything you think he is, and ten times more.

I also had the pleasure of sitting near DMZ, who'd come up to Everett to hang out with the group. Since I'd never met him before in person I wasn't sure what to expect, but it didn't take long for him to grow on me. In the top of the third inning the PA guy announced Derek Kinzler as the Tri City batter, but after he grounded out the next batter was also introduced as Derek Kinzler. This led to a night full of:

PA Guy: Now batting for Tri City, Brian Rike.
DMZ: DEREK KINZLER!!

PA Guy: Now batting for Tri City, Helder Velazquez.
DMZ: DEREK KINZLER!!

PA Guy:
DMZ: DEREK KINZLER!!

PA Guy: Now batting for Tri City, Derek Kinzler.
DMZ: ARE YOU SURE?!

Funnier every single time. I hope Derek Kinzler didn't misinterpret the shouts as coming from a fan club, because Derek Kinzler sucks. And now there are at least a few dozen people who'll never forget who he is.

Anyway, aside from the game on the field, we were also entertained that night by the ZOOperstars, a collection of giant inflatable anthropomorphic balloons with clever names like Ken Giraffey Jr., Clammy Sosa, Nomar Garciaparrot, and Nolan Rhino. Not present: Halibut Pujols, Fel-Ox Hernandez, or Matt Walbacteria. They were fun enough, providing cute little mid-inning distractions on the field, but there was one of them in particular that got on my nerves.

It was bad enough when Harry Canary didn't finish the seventh inning stretch from the announcer's booth by saying "let's get some runs!", but then he went down to the seats behind first base and sprayed the crowd of children that'd gathered around him with synthetic ejaculate out of a hole in his chest. The only difference between one of these assclowns and a sexual predator is a nine-foot plastic costume.

To make matters worse, Harry Canary then dared venture over to our side of the stadium. That's when I decided to take things into my own hands. As Harry approached and stood a few feet away, threatening to silly string the shit out of us, I decided to lean forward and cover the holes in his costume, thus thwarting his attempts to cause laughter at our expense. As I sat there pondering my next move, though, I was taken by complete surprise when this spectacular douchebag reared back and head-butted me at full force. Harry Canary had fucked with the wrong guy. I immediately stood up and pushed him backwards to send a message. However, as a clear signal that it'd gone right over his head, Harry Canary thought it would be a great idea to shoot silly string at my face. He was almost out of ammo, but he'd fired enough avian sperm into my hair to set me off. I stepped down a row, got into his face, and pushed him again, but just as I was deciding whether to shove him down the stairs or punch him in the head, his fifteen year old weenie bodyguard told me to knock it off, and Harry took advantage of my momentary pause by sprinting to safety away from the section. Fuming, I sat there and watched as Harry strolled further down the line and gave sloppy seconds to a whole new crowd of prepubescents. Only then did Derek choose to inform me that he would've bailed me out from jail had I gotten arrested for beating this fucker up.

The game went on, and different members of our group frequently interjected with Mariner score updates. Red took particular pleasure in Beltre's RBI single, and there was a bit of a celebration after Yuni went deep. The Everett game, however, was knotted up in the later innings, and as it went to the bottom of the ninth deadlocked at five, we sent Red to the foot of the section to pump everyone up with a rally dance. Undeterred by the simultaneous blaring of YMCA, Red did his thing and even got the usher involved for a little bit, which was something I'm pretty sure you'd never see at Safeco Field. The Aquasox responded to his inspiration by winning it right there on a sac fly. It was a pretty cool finish, especially since the game had seemingly drawn a larger crowd than Tacoma the night before.

After exiting and accidentally getting onto the freeway since the directions out of the ballpark are horribly misleading, a few of us went to a bar down the street to watch JJ Putz slam the door on the Red Sox (apologies to Robert, who wasn't quite old enough to join). Devin, Gomez, Ryan Healy, etowncoug, Red, Lady Red, and myself took one table, while Dave, Derek, and Pat Dillon took another, and it wasn't until much later that I found out we were supposed to have gone over and sat at theirs. All I have to say about Turner's is that their Friday night waitress is a cold-hearted bitch who didn't deserve half the tip I gave her.

Saturday was our chance to actually go see the Mariners. Devin, Dave and I went to Pyramid before the game to indulge in Derek's disputable alcoholism, then walked over to Player Will Call to pick up four tickets left to us by a good friend of the blog. They were in the friend section down the first base line instead of the family section behind home plate, which I was later informed probably worked in everyone's best interests given that Mrs. Ibanez is a frequent visitor to the ballpark.

Not having been to a sold-out game at Safeco in years, I couldn't help but soak up the electric atmosphere. I hate that we were surrounded by 20,000 Red Sox fans, but for as much shit as I give them for being the most obnoxiously annoying fan base on the planet, they do manage to bring out the best in the rest of us, lest we be drowned out in giving the visitors a homefield advantage.

There was one specific Red Sox fan who I'm glad decided to show up, and that was a six-year-old-looking kid dressed up in a David Ortiz replica jersey on the other end of the row behind us. As Adrian Beltre was announced in the bottom of the second, this kid started chanting "Over-rated!", and no sooner did he begin than Beltre deposited a no-doubter over the right-center wall. He shut up in a flash, but as much as he probably wanted to put the whole thing behind him and move on, we weren't about to let him forget his offense, and for the rest of the game he was the sole target of several mocking glares. We also gave Julio Lugo an "Over-rated!" chant in response for good measure. That kid sucked, and I hope we made him cry.

Of course, he was a hell of a lot better than the two morons behind us. Since it's been a few days I can't really remember anything specific they said anymore, but I do know that they made me spend another $16 so I could drown them out with alcohol. Being old and wearing glasses does not automatically mean that you're qualified to carry an intelligent conversation. Attention, Red Sox fans: Safeco is already filled to capacity with idiots who don't know what they're talking about. We don't need your help.

The game itself was an unmitigated disaster. Or, as Dave put it as we left, "this was the loss we've been complaining about for four years." Adam Jones didn't start, Jarrod Washburn got slapped around in the middle innings, and the offense blew chance after chance to pile on the runs they knew they were going to need against a team that good. Bases loaded, one out, third inning: no runs. Corners, one out, fourth inning: no runs. First and second, none out, sixth inning: no runs. Second and third, two outs, eighth inning: no runs. And finally, first and second, two outs, ninth inning: no runs. The last out was the most infuriating, as Beltre hit a first-pitch pop-up after consecutive walks, but the previous wasted opportunities loomed every bit as large, as converting any one of them could have extended or won the game. While when you consider the matchups there's no such thing as "a game we should've won" against Boston, this one hurt a ton, as it displayed each and every one of the Mariners' flaws. For the only game I get to see in Safeco all year, it was sorely disappointing. Thank goodness for that sweep in San Diego. And at least I got to experience a pair of funk blasts. I can't tell you how pissed off I was several years ago when I went to a Giants game at Candlestick and never got to hear the fog horn.

Derek, again, was hilarious. Down here I usually end up watching baseball on my own since I only have one friend in the area who knows anything about the sport, but I can't wait for the next time I get to go to Seattle and hang out with the same guys. Even bad baseball can be fun when you're drinking and angry.

While Derek took off for home after the game, Devin, Dave, Red, Lady Red, and I went to a bar to meet up with Matthew and Ryan Healy. Unfortunately, seeing as fratboys and Red Sox Nation had invaded most of the area we had to stray from the beaten path, but it worked out pretty well. It's funny - even when you've never met someone before in your life, there's something about blogging and interacting in comments that makes it feel like you've known each other forever. There's a reason those LL nights at Safeco are so much fun; it's a community that extends well beyond the website. Never has that been more apparent to me than it was this weekend.

We held out hope that we could score some more tickets for Sunday, but it didn't happen, and as time wore on in the game we became more and more thankful that it didn't. Pretty soon Devin had to take off and make the long drive back for work on Monday, so we listened to the rest of the massacre on the radio as he drove me to my uncle's. And so it was that I relaxed and wrapped up a brief vacation that'd earlier been spent with a completely different kind of family.

Back to baseball. I see the Angels won today, which sucks. But if the whole trip made anything clear to me, it's this - the strength of the Mariner blogosphere doesn't rely on the success of the team. No, the strength of the Mariner blogosphere is that it's a pretty tight-knit community that's always eager to joke around and talk baseball, no matter how poorly the Mariners may be doing. The events would've been just as much fun were the Mariners in the midst of another last-place season, and I'm sure they'll be even bigger and better next summer when we have them again, regardless of whether or not the M's are competing. The winning's just a bonus. First and foremost, LL and USSM are just places to hang out and chat with people with similar interests.

Now beat the Orioles. Just because the winning's a bonus doesn't mean I want it to stop.

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Fuck, Turner's is a goddamn shitty establishment.
Basically, it's a sleazy sports bar -- which, in all honesty, is a very kind description -- that's barely one notch above a shoddy, run-down dive bar.

Anyway, North Everett is an altogether lousy place—there's no getting around it. Disappointingly, first-rate taverns are nonexistent within the seedy area. That, however, shouldn't shock anyone; hell, it's just a part of the sordid culture there.

by AK1984 on Aug 7, 2007 4:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They're symbolically indicative of my life.
I can be self-deprecating, too. Indeed, blue humor -- via the use of off-color jokes -- isn't my only comedic style.

I'm not a one-dimensional hack; I'm a multidimensional hack.

by AK1984 on Aug 7, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me... they're not in Seattle
Al's would be a lot different if it were in Anacortes instead of Wallingford.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, we're the frat eh?
PANTY RAID! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Aug 7, 2007 4:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

SPRING BREAK!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by DCMariner on Aug 7, 2007 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
That comment kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Aug 7, 2007 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I've got a reply for your prudish attitude.
I bet you dislike being rubbed the right way.

Yes, that was an easy joke, but I'm an easy guy.

by AK1984 on Aug 7, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a good time..
Contact AK1984 at 555-EASY

by Ben in Va on Aug 7, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still can't believe I missed it
To make matters even worse I was going to goto Saturdays game in SD while I was down there but decided to do something else and of course Bonds ties the record to spite me.
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 7, 2007 7:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome "Recap" Jeff
You have me rolling in the aisles here at work. Wish I could been there to see you almost kick the crap out of a mascot.

by phil333 on Aug 7, 2007 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well done
That was the most fun that I have ever had at a game just sitting around and bullshitting. I look forward to next year's meet up where I can join in festivities at the bar afterwards. Everybody here kicks ass and there is no shame in being the frat house of the M's blogosphere. It just gives us an excuse to drink more.

The number of connections that you and Dave have accumulated in such a short time is startling. Now I am going to wonder what player is the good friend of LL.

by Robert on Aug 7, 2007 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also
When Red said in a such a deathly serious tone: "What the hell do you think your doing? You just got silly string shit all over my best Carl Everett jersey", I completely lost it. That and when the usher started doing the YMCA, the Beltre stare that Red gave him were priceless.

by Robert on Aug 7, 2007 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounded like a blast
Looking forward to these games in Bmore.
Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Aug 7, 2007 9:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh.
It's really funny, 'cos I'm one of the old crusty dudes that left Tacoma 'early' -- but I feel like I fit in around here a little better than I do at USSM, so huzzah!  

Y'all keep me young...

I'm happy for Jeff and Dave that they got to experience in person a taste of what they both have helped put together -- a fantastic community of pretty cool people who happen to have baseball in common.  I always enjoy our informal LL gatherings, even if our canary-loathing leader is only there in spirit.  Plus it's always a blast to have our brains enlarged by the stuff the USSM dudes put together for us, too.

We're so fortunate to have such a great community.  For selfish reasons, I hope Dave and Jeff never get married and develop a bad case of Peter Pan syndrome, but, you know, with as dashingly handsome and charming as those two are, that's about as likely to happen as it is for Goose to grow up and become a Benedictine monk (although I can see him or Matthew going Trappist...).

RAUL HURTS THIS TEAM BY NOT PLAYING DRUMS FOR SPINAL TAP Oh, and Free Kam Mickolio!

by PositivePaul on Aug 7, 2007 9:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Dave and Jeff should marry each other...
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Aug 7, 2007 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing
I so wish that I lived in America right now.  You guys are so lucky!

Great recap.  I wish I could have heard what BB had to say at his talk, by the sounds of it it was quite disturbing.  

by EnglishMariner on Aug 7, 2007 9:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Jeff
You'll always be g8rh8r_FSU to me.

Sounds like a blast.  Give my best to Devin, the pie faucker.

Pretty upset I missed the chance to talk zombies with Red.  Next time, dude.  Next time.

by Garces on Aug 7, 2007 9:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember when Jeff started
some sort of hater religion thing on there.  He was like some sort of future blogging prodigy back then.  We were just guys wasting time at work.

by JeffHagan2 on Aug 7, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's when he turned into h8r_prophet.
If I remember correctly, I think I ended up as one of his disciples.

(healz89)

by ryanhealy on Aug 7, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Healz!
Damn, I never put two and two together.

by Garces on Aug 7, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes sir.
It's hard to keep up with all the online name changes.  Hopefully, you can make it up next year.  It really was a fun weekend.

by ryanhealy on Aug 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figured that one out but it took me a while
since he hip-hopped it up on espn.com

Is he a distant relative of Pat Healey from 'Something about Mary'

by JeffHagan2 on Aug 7, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ESPN Board days
they were the best of times, they were the worst of times.
Free Adam Jones

by bluemax on Aug 7, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this recap is fantastic
and I think I would have liked Harry Canary.  If he was drinking Budweiser from the can, it would be perfect.

I saw Harry at a ST game in Mesa and got his autograph and spoke to him (the press box in Mesa is open adobe style).  He had empties lined up on the counter.  

by JeffHagan2 on Aug 7, 2007 10:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
Jeff : Harry Canary

as

Peter Griffin : The Chicken

by I'm NOT Corco on Aug 7, 2007 10:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn chickens and canaries!
"I'm not familiar with this type of... thing I'm seeing"

by Thingray on Aug 7, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent recap, Jeff
An excellent weekend deserves one and you delivered.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nail on the head
right here

"Down here I usually end up watching baseball on my own since I only have one friend in the area who knows anything about the sport, but I can't wait for the next time I get to go to Seattle and hang out with the same guys. Even bad baseball can be fun when you're drinking and angry."

4 years in Philly taught me the same thing. It's not really the quality of baseball, it's the other stuff. During the one LL night I've been to so far, I had a hard time focusing on the specifics of the game (lucky that I was sitting next to Deanna who was keeping score), but I didn't care. It's way more fun to just shoot the shit and come up with ridiculous insults to current and past former Mariners.

It's a select group of people that you can go to a game with and actually be crazy. If you do it alone, you have to have to fortitude of will that Red has, and no lone man is that strong. But in a group, we have numbers and a little bit of safety, as evidenced by the July LL night in which we fearlessly sat behind families with little children and openly mocked everything holy to the common Ms fan.

Mariners baseball without the people I've "met" via LL and the information gained via USSM and the scouting reports/hope from PI, etc would be incredibly depressing and frustrating.

by Matthew on Aug 7, 2007 11:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was a great weekend
Even though I missed the Tacoma game.  The Everett game blew my expectations out of the water.  It was good to meet some of the people on here and see the people Ive already met again.  Getting to talk(I mostly listened) to Jeff, Devin, Dave, and Ryan about baseball was incredible, for the most part they made me feel like I didnt know anything about the game(In a good way).  Turners was an absolute blast, maybe for the wrong reasons but fun nonetheless.  Shit we even got to see Julio Mateo, and some pre-op transvestites hanging out there.  The only thing missing was a tampon from the ladies room for me to smoke.  
     Seriously though, it was one of the more fun baseball weekends Ive had this year.  Saturday after the M's heartbreaker, I got my ass handed to me again in reguards to my baseball knowledge.  I could listen to you guys talk baseball all day.  Now Im back at work, I have a baseball hangover, and the M's are gone for a week.  Im already planning a trip down to San Diego next year so I can see the M's play there.  Thanks again for a great weekend.  
     I <3 the Zooperstars(Minus Harry Canary)  
Why do people look at me funny when I tell them Carl Everett did more for the M's than Griffey ever did?

by RED29 on Aug 7, 2007 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm
an excuse to go to where the weather is warm, there's actual sand on the beaches and the girls wearing a bikini are actually the ones you wouldn't mind seeing in just a bikini?

too bad they don't play SD in like April which it's less than stellar weather-wise in Seattle.

by Matthew on Aug 7, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kept hearing all the time
that 'Red is as awesome in person as he seems.'  And last Friday, I found out for myself and was not at all disappointed.

You are a lot of fun, Red.  I look forward to hanging out with you again.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Diego frat party!
I live down here in San Diego, too. It'd be awesome if we could put together a small get-together next year when the M's come down. I met up with Jeff and a couple of other LL readers before an M's-Pads game a few months ago, and it was good fun.

You'd be amazed how many M's fans there are in Petco during a series. Then again, the Padres are possibly the most boring team in history, so I guess if you grew up here you almost have to pick a different team, just so your love of baseball isn't ruined.

by Teej on Aug 7, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

etowncoug kept trying to get us to go to Alfy's
whose pizza apparently rules.  I think Jeff would've been down had he been 86'd for decking Harry Canary.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alfy's pizza is pretty damn good.
I don't know if it's AWESOME, but that may be because I live right by Alfy's, so I get to eat it all the time.
"I'm not familiar with this type of... thing I'm seeing"

by Thingray on Aug 7, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
You remarked about it, but I agree: traffic in Seattle is absolutely awful.  I rented a Flexcar for the two days (which was expensive but saved myself a ton of hassle) and I left for Tacoma at 4 pm thinking I would get there before 5:30 with time to spare.  One hour and fifty crawling minutes on I-5 and SR-16 later, I got there so late I had to get my ticket at will-call and wait for the gates to open.  I was so angry I could barely speak to okdan as we met in the parking lot.

Traffic into Everett was just as bad.  I lived with the ridiculous crawl on I-5 for about 45 minutes until the 164th St exit before I got off the highway and tried 99, only to find it was just as bad.  I got another mile or so up the road before quitting and getting back on I-5.  Fortunately, Broadway was soon after (the 1st exit) and so I took the long way to Everett Stadium and actually got there in time for a change.

It reminds me of why I live in the city and don't own a car.  I could not deal with that kind of commute on a day to day basis and don't know how/why people do.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I live by the Everett stadium,
and work in Shoreline, and my commute isn't that bad normally, but on Friday it WAS a nightmare.
"I'm not familiar with this type of... thing I'm seeing"

by Thingray on Aug 7, 2007 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KOMO radio
noted that Friday's commute was especially awful.  I'm sure it was worse than usual both days, but still.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it makes you feel any better,
my neice got stuck in traffic too, so I didn't get to see her while she was in town (which is why I didn't go to the Everett gathering).

So I bailed off I-5 early and hit my favorite dive bar. Never did make it home until about midnight.

"I'm not familiar with this type of... thing I'm seeing"

by Thingray on Aug 7, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget
SeaFair weekend. Yeah, Seattle traffic is bad (though I'd argue on I-5 it's almost solely Northgate), but this was special circumstances.

That being said, I sure do enjoy my 15-minute walk to work.

by Matthew on Aug 7, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree
Thinking about it, there is one bad place to drive in San Diego, and that's commuting from the northern beach towns to the city.  Other than that, traffic moves.  What's frustrating here, is that there's as much traffic at 9pm as there is at 10am.

Did you know that I-90 was supposed to be 13 lanes, but an "anti-growth," club sued and made the project more expensive and 8 lanes?  That's why there are so many lanes in Bellevue, but when you get to Mercer Island there are only 3.  When there's a game now, those assholes get to sit in 5 miles of gridlock.

Now they are trying to expand it so that mass transit has some advantage.  San Diego, for all of it's SoCal car loving has a trolley that gets you to the game and there is pleny of free parking around the stops.

by BlueBaron on Aug 7, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA those activists
Because they think more roads actively increase traffic, when it's actually the other way around: the roads are being built BECAUSE of the increased population and traffic to meet the demand, so of course you get more drivers once they're built.  You're going to get more traffic anyway.

Sometimes, the activists take things in the wrong direction.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well they have one minor point
more roads does actively increase traffic, by reducing the transaction cost of driving. But it's slight and the economic waste each day from a million people sitting in traffic an extra 10 minutes is staggering if anyone actually cared enough to consider it.

by Matthew on Aug 7, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their Theory was Incorrect
The lack of affordable land and crappy traffic in the city caused a buildup of small businesses on the Eastside.  Some of these businesses included Costco, Amazon, and that small company called Microsoft.  There are also a whole host of other successful technology and bio-tech firms, and lots more service attractions in Bellevue and Issaquah now.

All of these businesses attracted people and development to the Eastside.  People then got wealthy, and wanted to move to the city while still working on the eastside.  This created the dreaded "reverse-commute" that plagues anybody who wants to go to a Mariner game, and it why the traffic is worse going into the city at night.

The growth never stopped because the Eastside provided plenty of employment.  So much, that 405 looks like 5 in the afternoon now.  But when all those people turn toward Seattle for the highlife--or the M's or Sonics or Seafair or just a good dive bar--the crush happens.

So to summarize, the central city workplace was a bad assumption, and people's traffic patterns can not be predicted and served adequately with a single set of reversible lanes.

by BlueBaron on Aug 7, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt there
520 and I-90 connections btw Seattle and Eastside are nowhere near adequate enough.

E-W should be a lot easier to remedy though than N-S (expansion of 520 would go a looooong way). The only non-subway method of fixing N-S would have to involve a double decker interstate or something.

This city needs a metro badly.

I pity the people who have to drive I-5 N south of the I-90 interchange right now. 1 lane of traffic? That thing must be backed up for 15 miles.

by Matthew on Aug 7, 2007 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those studies
often belie the fact that new roads are built in areas with growing populations, so the traffic is going to increase whether or not the roads are built.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're not studies
it's simple economics. If you make it easier for people to drive, more people will do it.

by Matthew on Aug 7, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most people are gonna drive no matter what
The more people who live here, the more cars you will have on the road, whether or not there are sufficient highways to accommodate them.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the time we actually get usable
mass transit in Seattle, cars will be obsolete anyway.

We can't manage to get ANY big projects done here. We just fight about them for years, spend millions of dollars, and end up with nothing.

"I'm not familiar with this type of... thing I'm seeing"

by Thingray on Aug 7, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt that Seattle's infrastructure
has been severly hampered by PAGs over the decades. From Seatac's runway, to light rail, to light rail again, to light rail a third time, to a monorail, to another monorail, to bridge expansion, to interstate expansion, to light rail again and now to a pretty pointless monorail, this city needs a smart dictator of transportation to just do what needs to be done and to tell the radical environmental groups to shove it.

by Matthew on Aug 7, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Diegans
Passed an extension of a 1% sales tax just for roads and transit with a 67% margin.  It required 66.6% though.  Public projects seem to go through smoother, but the contractors suck anyway.  There are many roads, but they are falling apart.

The trolley also does not serve anybody who lives north of the city, and doesn't go to UCSD.  They had plans for it, but they keep getting pushed back.  La Jolla--our version of Mercer Island--fought the trolley because they didn't want bums to take it into town.  In case they haven't noticed, the busses go through la jolla and there are already bums there.

by BlueBaron on Aug 7, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayor Nickels talked about wanting to be like
Chicago's Richard Daley, a hardass mayor who did things his way no matter what, but he doesn't have the guts to be like that, and he doesn't have the necessary authority anyway.  Many of these issues involves areas outside of city limits, so it'd have to be the King County Executive taking that role, and for his positive qualities, Ron Sims just doesn't have that mindset.

by Gomez on Aug 7, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always said that what Seattle needed...
...was to get mobbed up.  Want a third runway?  talk to Jimmy, he and his boys will knock one through in 6 months.  Light rail?  No problem, lemme talk to the boss, we'll get it done.  No more discussion, no more reviews, just GET SOME SHIT DONE ALREADY.

I love Seattle, and at times still miss living there, but when I think about the 20 years it's taken to get a third runway built, and then I look back at the construction of the MAX yellow line here that was finished ahead of time and under budget (they actually had to figure out what to do with the extra money), Seattle starts to look positively sclerotic.

Not that Portland's a perfect metropolis, but still, they at least seem to know when it's time to stop talking and start doing - which is something that Seattle will always struggle with.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 7, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I was in San Diego a couple years ago
The traffic was bad there too on I-5 heading into downtown from the north. Of course, it was Friday night and right after 4th of July I think. It would be really nice to be able to get anywhere in the Puget Sound area using a freeway between 3 and 7 on a weekday. It took me an hour and fifteen minutes to get from Tukwila to Parkland on Friday, and I only got there that fast because traffic on 512 was surprisingly decent. I shudder at the thought of having to go through Seattle on I-5 when three lanes are closed.

by Mariner John on Aug 7, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At that time of day
it is usually faster to go down the Valley Freeway from Tukwila to get to 512, if I'm not mistaken

by I'm NOT Corco on Aug 7, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

5-805 merge is horrible
that is one of the worse areas, but most of southern california has adequate capacity.  Seattle has the freeway capacity of a city the size of Spokane.  I don't care if you have mass transit to major hubs, you still need to widen the north-south freeways.

Step one is to get mass transit to major destinations (slowly tackling the airport...took long enough), but you still have the sports stadiums (sundays is not good enough) and the major corporate campuses.  Boeing bare minimum, but I would expand that to Microsoft, AT&T, Amazon and a few choice others.

by JeffHagan2 on Aug 7, 2007 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the last part really touched my heart
however the part about wanting to make children cry and almost beating up a mascot made me wonder about your general stability.

Glad it was a good time. I hope to make it next time.

by mark s on Aug 7, 2007 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what's a stupider name
Ichiroach Suzuki or Deion Salamanders.

It doesn't sound like the LL Night experience would be complete for me for another 5 years.

by Mariner John on Aug 7, 2007 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great write-up Jeff.
I feel bad for missing out on Everett, but I had to clean up after my crazy drunk friend before my parents came back from their trip.  Can't wait for the next events, I had an absolute blast  at Cheney Stadium.  This community is fucking awesome.  And if we're still doing these in two years and 19 days, I can drink with you guys legally!  Woooo

by BrettJMiller on Aug 7, 2007 5:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Legally?
I'll hook you up next year. Nobody should have to suffer the same indiginty that I went through.

by Robert on Aug 7, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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