8/30: Open Game Thread

Ichiro CF Sizemore CF Vidro "2B" Cabrera 2B Guillen DH Hafner DH Ibanez "LF" Martinez "C" Beltre 3B Garko 1B Sexson "1B" Peralta "SS" Johjima C Gutierrez RF Jones RF Michaels LF Betancourt SS Gomez 3B ---------- ----------
Ho (8-4, 6.67) Laffey (2-1, 4.76)
By my unofficial count, there are three precious few soft-tossing left-handed groundball starting pitchers in the Majors right now. Here are two of them. Guess which one sucks.
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Who's the third?
Not really a "groundballer"...
He's still pitching?
I must be thinking of somebody else then...
guess
That's it!!
Oooo! I know! I know which one sucks!
Yes Librocrat?
I think you mean "Horshack"
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Trick question
This has 11-12 shoot out written all over it. Other interesting queries:
Since we're facing a lefty does Jones get a start in LF? If he goes 0-4 with 3Ks does McLaren just super glue a pine board to his back side? Is AJ a better fielder than Raul with 6' of pine stuck to his pants?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I've got $5
Well Son of a Bitch!
Fuck you McLaren!!!!
Guillen...
Good manager throws out this lineup.
Ichiro CF
Vidro DH
Guillen RF
Beltre 3B
Johjima C
Sexson 1B
Jones LF
Yuni SS
Ballgame 2B
And I only say that b/c they "want" to send Lopez a message...otherwise...
what happened to
I'd be in rehab too,
Torn rotator cuff.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I almost tore my rotator cuff
Wait, no, found some more.
They're all groundballers too?
"Soft tossing" threshold
But seriously. What would that threshold be? Throws less than 90?
Loosely, yeah.
This is hardly an official survey. I guess the point is that "soft-tossing lefty groundballer" is an unusual profile, so it's weird to see two such pitchers facing off.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding....
Wouldn't you want to give him every advantage possible?
Well
by chrisisasavage on Aug 30, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
terrible "STARTING" pitchers
by chrisisasavage on Aug 30, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Because they are:
Unfortunately
by chrisisasavage on Aug 30, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're gonna punt defense,
It should be
by chrisisasavage on Aug 30, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Vidro at 2nd????
for the past two months i've been thinking,
Willie in left?
Back spasms maybe?
McLaren said Raul needed a rest.
Maybe Mac can't tell them apart and has been
MLB.com
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 30, 2007 3:33 PM PDT reply actions
Shaking things up
Funny how he illustrates the Jeremy Reed Principle: when you see a Mariner make some diving catches, you think a lot more highly of his defense than you should.
how do you post videos?
References LL HTML on the left.
Not a good idea to post videos
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 30, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I
Don't feel bad.
i know its been mentioned before
whats the link, i want to watch this
If the Ms were in a pennant race
by VaughnStreet on Aug 30, 2007 3:48 PM PDT reply actions
Goddammit
Stupid weak-assed web servers that can't handle 6,000,000 hits per second...
In other notes, Manny Ramirez is out for the next week at least. And no DL, since rosters will expand. Not only am I out a roster spot on my Yahoo team, I'm out my top pick, when I'm trying to hang on to the last playoff spot in the final week...
I found this
Ho, is that you?
Amen!
Crap! Crap! Crap!
I think it's radio only....
I don't have a TV in my office,
Lopez sits?
Sucking like Sexson is one thing, but sleepwalking out there and making multiple careless, moronic gaffes is anoher. Lopez's recent mistakes were really deflating the momentum of the team imo.
Vidro may not be great defensively, but I'd even rather see WFB out therenow compared to the recent Lopez.
The J-Lo we love will be back, but after he's had some time to get straightened out, refreshed, or whatever his problem is.
And I also hope the platoon of Sexson/Ben is now written in stone.
by Tom C on Aug 30, 2007 4:08 PM PDT reply actions
Vidro may not be great defensively
by chrisisasavage on Aug 30, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Richie Sexson isn't having his best season
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The 11th commandment
by chrisisasavage on Aug 30, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
DEAR GOD VIDRO'S AT SECOND?
Ichiro
wow
HA! 1-2-3 Inning. Ramirez is FIXED
He is who Bavasi thought he was - a GB pitcher who can excel in this league given proper coaching.
He's turned the corner, people. Enjoy it.
You really shouldn't drink embalming fluid
by tootthekazoo on Aug 30, 2007 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
WHERE DID ALL OUR RUNS GO?
I know, I know...too early for defeatism.
he used to thrill the fans in cleveland
Clap Clap Clap
What, did he catch it in his back fat?
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
Ummmm......
No, he botched the DP.
Nothing Vidro could do.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Listening on XM
by PositivePaul on Aug 30, 2007 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
how would
He needs a "manzier",
HoRam throws a strike, ump calls batter out.
He's fixed
Nothing to see here people, except an Ace at Work.
Seriously, though. That baserunning was
by bpdawg24 on Aug 30, 2007 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The pitcher
Also, you look over and see Garko running, you can allow a double. It's not taking a batter off, it's smart game management. Spread your doubles out when they can't really hurt you.
Ryan Franklin used to do that w/doubles AND homers, but YOU guys thought he was terrible.
Are you serious?
No pitcher gets to "choose" where his doubles go, or when he gives them up (based on having a slow runner on).
Get real man.
Are you saying I missed the joke?
"WHOOSH" = the sound made as the joke...
I suppose there are enough stupid people out there that it's sometimes hard to tell who's kidding and who's not.
He's not even close to being serious, dude.
My bad, and my apologies then.
*smacks sarcasm meter on desk*
That throw was a rocket.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Announcers are saying even a half-decent throw...
Are you watching the game?
I'm watching.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Guillen
Any successful throw there
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Accurate....
Anyone else get the feeling
He thinks he has to make the great play every time he gets out there, to try to force his way into the lineup?
A half-decent throw would not have
he would have been out
Okay, he's just a bit rattled
I swear he was fixed there for two innings; he just needs to get his stride fixed again, and everything will be fine.
yay
gameday and the umpire
by jimmimoose1 on Aug 30, 2007 4:43 PM PDT reply actions
Huh.
The good news is the rosters expand to 40, so there REALLY isn't any excuse to start Ho again, other than being a pure dumbass.
Nice time to do an extended faceplant, boys.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 4:44 PM PDT reply actions
AJ
seeing 7 pitches
by jimmimoose1 on Aug 30, 2007 4:48 PM PDT reply actions
One thing we always knew
We just didn't expect him to be awful in every other goddamn aspect of the game (not saying that this is 'real' Jones, just that this is Jones we've gotten thus far)
Is the chair still in the pool?
Just in time to torch it after this game?
Fuck that
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You deserve a break today.
Awesome.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 4:49 PM PDT reply actions
Do I have reason to BE an optimist?
Now, win the Yankee and Tigers series, and I'll be happy. But looking like crap for 3.3 consecutive games against teams we will see if we make the playoffs, with 6.7 more to follow in the next 9 days?
At this point, it's win or go home- and we're running out of time to win.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember when we swept Boston
I don't think you enjoy success.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This team WAS lucky.
The nice part is they don't make you give back wins you get being lucky, though. As I've said many times, the Florida Marlins and their championships say "Hi".
A lot of my anger and pessimism stems from the misuse of Jones, Broussard, Ho and War Veterans. This is a season where the Mariners had to be lucky and had very little margin for error- and they've made a number of unforced ones.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say you were wrong.
Being a pessimist is fine, but all the time? That's gotta be depressing.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you crazy?
You can't ASK for anything more than controlling your own playoff destiny in August and September- and less than a week ago, we were very much in control of it, and all we needed was a non-suck finish. The problem is we're blowing it.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever actually had one?
They're good and they'll fuck you up quick.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a date rape drink.
well, if you look at the quantities,
I'm just fine with bloody marys, vodka martinis, and scotch.
I know....
You wax your eyebrows and wear your hat wrong?
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweet!!!
THEY ARE WHAT WE THOUGHT THE WERE! IF YOU WANT TO CROWN EM THEN CROWN EM!
::opens browser::
::not surprised::
::leaves gratuitous comment on LL illustrating this::
::goes back to work::
::realizes workday is over::
::goes home, tries to forget Mariners exist, if only for an hour::
this team...
This is what I was afraid of.
I'm not sure if that's what this is, but it sure looks close.
I figured out the problem.
No wonder he blows.
Pardon me but, Jesus Christ.
My mistake.
HAHA
Because what this team needs
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Gameday only Quit on Me
Score? Still 3-0?
I can't see from here I can't!
No, it's busted for me too.
maybe
somethign
What??
Laffey has this straight change
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that what AJ struck out on before?
Ho Ram is to Major League Pitcher as
Wal-Mart is to good for the economy
Lookout Landing is to supports Richie Sexson
For your information
I find it
Maybe if they weren't the only ones involved in everything at the school, I wouldnt hate it as much as I do now.
That show rocked.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, it sucks now
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It was Scotch for me.
I'm 33, and I totally missed it growing up.
Huh
And Richie is channeling Steve Balboni.
Man I suck....
Its too bad it took him this long
Sexson hurt?
FREE BROUSSARD!!!
by andyboi on Aug 30, 2007 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Indian announcers are making fun of HoRam.
damn
If you ignore the 3 runs Ho gave up
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 5:30 PM PDT reply actions
In Cincinnati
I think they may have borrowed our third base coach for that game.
PACMAN!!!!!
I'm just happy there won't be a shutout.
by bpdawg24 on Aug 30, 2007 5:32 PM PDT reply actions
Fuck Gameday.
this team
Umm...
He's hurt.
Richie's leg is hurt.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Richie limped to first. The Yanks better watch out
by andyboi on Aug 30, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, nevermind, he did it a while ago...
omg a freakin flyball
by houseofprime2 on Aug 30, 2007 5:37 PM PDT reply actions
WOO
Wow. two runs AND Broussard in!
No Broussard.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear god I feel dumb.
I have shamed the family.
I detect a pulse
ADAM JONES/JOSE GUILLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sexson leaves the game and the M's start scoring
About goddamned time.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 5:42 PM PDT reply actions
From M's Website:
For some reason that statement doesn't inspire much confidence. What kind of momentum? The balls continuing into the seats? Not slowing down on being the crappiest pitcher in the AL?
Cmon mac don't push ur luck
by houseofprime2 on Aug 30, 2007 5:43 PM PDT reply actions
wasn't that a large reason the org.
That's part of it, yeah.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I curious.
I have no f'ing clue.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
WE says 29.8%
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
right as you say that
I don't blame pitchers for fouls.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
ok mac thats 103 pitches
by houseofprime2 on Aug 30, 2007 5:47 PM PDT reply actions
lets say
i say stick w/ ho for another batter.
I left to get some food
come on green! i'm a little worried about him, lately, but he's the right call here....
by jimmimoose1 on Aug 30, 2007 5:51 PM PDT reply actions
Seriously, M's fans...
An absolute laser that short hopped
by bpdawg24 on Aug 30, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Terrible bounce.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Just got changed to a single...
changed to a hit
Gameday is still screwed,
Beltre
Apparently Perez = lefty groundballer
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 30, 2007 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on WILLIE
Come on Pacman
nvm
Ok pacman
damnit
My thought exactly.
by bpdawg24 on Aug 30, 2007 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda surprised the Indians
Kenji never misses middle in.
Please
AJ!!!!!
Don't call him pacman, this AJ isnt a complete cunt.
by Dan @ Lookout Landing on Aug 30, 2007 6:08 PM PDT reply actions
PACMAN!!!!!
YUNI!!!!!!!
Can't say...
[/a lot of people here]
This is the
Adam Jones is too young to handle a pennant race
by stoatboy on Aug 30, 2007 6:10 PM PDT reply actions
Hmmm...
wow these fans don't like Ichiro
It's nice that they take pride in that.
well atleast we got the lead
hey, only 9 outs to go
You're a goddam hero Jones!
Earning some playing time tonight I see.
He's not ready...
Who's better at first base?
my mlb tv
Jose Vidro stepped in front of the camera
everytime i load
Stop sucking GS52
two out rallies
gameday says
by Dan @ Lookout Landing on Aug 30, 2007 6:29 PM PDT reply actions
our bullpen
thats ok
M's...disgraceful team
Lets go 35 game losing streak!!
MLBtv going dead was a message from God
There's no pitch speed data for Gameday.
by bpdawg24 on Aug 30, 2007 6:33 PM PDT reply actions
FUCK
5-4 Indians.
That's why you don't play Ibanez in left.
That ball was smoked
Curiously,
Yeah, I'm leaving.
This team is funny bad
Are you kidding?
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 30, 2007 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Oddly enough, yes, I was kidding
Guillen, Ibanez, and Beltre
God is just playing with us now...
Our team was definitely created by satan
Stopped the bleeding...
WOOOOOo
I believe he relinquished that title a while ago
by Fuckmikereilly on Aug 30, 2007 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Perez is fucking filthy
by bpdawg24 on Aug 30, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions
I have some hope if they keep at 1 run
by houseofprime2 on Aug 30, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions
Pre-season Seahawks on soon!!
Next inning we got it.
As much as losing this game would suck
Great job...
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 6:53 PM PDT reply actions
Louisville has 63 points with 10 min to go in 3rd
by andyboi on Aug 30, 2007 6:55 PM PDT reply actions
FUCKING 2 OUT HITS
alright just bring in jj to blow cabrera away
by houseofprime2 on Aug 30, 2007 6:57 PM PDT reply actions
Morrow
BENNY!
WALK!!!
it would be
Jones!
0 outs, 2 on.
Too bad he's probably going to have to bunt here.
COME ON PACMAN!!!!!!
Big spot for Jones....
way to go to PACMAN!
...umm
Gameday says Yuni is excited
by andyboi on Aug 30, 2007 7:13 PM PDT reply actions
YESSSSSSSS
If I ever had to go to Cleveland
I'd punch myself in the face too Ichiro.
WOO cuban power
They're booing Ichiro for his brilliant remarks.
One of Ichi's finest moments. Niehaus is recounting it with relish right now.
As bad as Ichiro looked on that last strike out...
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:15 PM PDT reply actions
DAMN
JJ please
Boroski is toast for extra innings. JJ is rested. JJ please.
We got Jose Vidro because he never strikes out
ARRRRRGGGHHH
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:18 PM PDT reply actions
Why no JJ here?
He's had so much rest....Why not save O'Flaherty for tomorrow?
I'm glad we tied it
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:22 PM PDT reply actions
C'mon EOF
by bpdawg24 on Aug 30, 2007 7:22 PM PDT reply actions
Ah C'mon Refs!!!
//sorry, wrong thread...
I like Burke in for Vidro instead of Lopez
Eric
DP
Are we just trying to give the game away???
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:27 PM PDT reply actions
Don't worry
by Jordan of Boise on Aug 30, 2007 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Rick White= White Flag
by andyboi on Aug 30, 2007 7:28 PM PDT reply actions
Damn...it is white
is it reall White coming in?
JJ hasn't pitched in like 10 years.
My guess is...
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:28 PM PDT reply actions
Bring in Putz
Way better option then White, who we have seen TOO MUCH of lately.
wtf the war vet in this situation?
by houseofprime2 on Aug 30, 2007 7:28 PM PDT reply actions
LOL RICK WHITE
This is a joke. Such a goddam joke.
No use holding JJ when White is gonna lose it here.
RICK WHITE!!
FUCK
No FUCKKING WAY
Lima Time!
I swear.......
is McClueless getting paid by the opposing team?
unfucking believable...
by gblady on Aug 30, 2007 7:30 PM PDT reply actions
FUCK FUCK FUCK
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 30, 2007 7:30 PM PDT reply actions
I can't even fucking believe
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 30, 2007 7:30 PM PDT reply actions
Looked away for 5 minutes...
WHAT. DA. FWACK.
Favor the Bold
JJ can't pitch you idiots....
i love you, adam
Damn
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:32 PM PDT reply actions
This is a lose-lose proposition.
4 pitch walk beautiful rick
by houseofprime2 on Aug 30, 2007 7:33 PM PDT reply actions
Oh god
Is there something
Am I missing something?
McLaren doesn't play for ties!
by Jordan of Boise on Aug 30, 2007 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
by MFanNYC on Aug 30, 2007 7:35 PM PDT reply actions
Bases loaded, walked the last batter...
Seriously....
John McLaren is a fool. A god damn fool.
He is totally inept. A fucking moron.
Jeff
Towel.
And Jeff wonders why I'm pessimistic.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 7:37 PM PDT reply actions
I don't believe my eyes.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Rick White
Bavasi had to take away Julio Mateo because Hargrove kept using him. Rick White is worse. And McLaren won't stop using him.
How much is Arte Moreno paying John McLaren? I wanna know.
I blame this on Norm Charlton.
McLaren is an idiot.
AHHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
well.....
I cannot believe a human being can be that stupid.
by gblady on Aug 30, 2007 7:38 PM PDT reply actions
FUCK THIS SHIT
Thats it
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 30, 2007 7:38 PM PDT reply actions
I just cannot, cannot believe this,
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:39 PM PDT reply actions
End of Season.
Favor the Bold
fucking god dammit
CAN WE PLEASE
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:41 PM PDT reply actions
STFU RICK RIZZS
This is fucking ridiculous
a) the Mariners manage to win a game
b) McLaren is fired
c) someone puts a harpoon in Orca White's ass and drags him back out to sea
by Jordan of Boise on Aug 30, 2007 7:41 PM PDT reply actions
ahh man. This is some hillarious stuff ;)
The ineptness is just hillarious.
You had RRS and Putz sitting in the pen.
As awful as this was
I'm not even upset, at this point. I literally laughed when my mlb.radio or whatever feed told me White walked in the winning run.
Season's over, but Goddamn.
HUSKIES TOMORROW!
Bottom of the 9th...
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:43 PM PDT reply actions
Seattle Media are such softies too.
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 30, 2007 7:43 PM PDT reply actions
If anyone...
He didn't
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Why
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 30, 2007 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Well the members of Detectovision please
Hilarious Tim, best comment of the thread.
Sorry,
Favor the Bold
I'd like to be a realist
So long as McLaren runs this team, it has no chance.
Not exactly.
More like:
Bobby Ayala:Lou Piniella::Rick White:John McLaren
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sensing a shift on here
Then there are the other half that really want to choke the kid to death but can't because the other half is staring and laughing
Whatever the case...I remember a post not too long ago (by Jeff perhaps) about how its entertainnent, and you know what, pitching White in this game tonight was HILARIOUS!!!
It's the half of us who realize
Blame Hargrove?
rick was blaming horam....
who lost the game...
I am furious...
by gblady on Aug 30, 2007 7:47 PM PDT reply actions
He even blamed the 'tired bullpen'
Man
by StevenH on Aug 30, 2007 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't remember exactly...
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 30, 2007 7:53 PM PDT reply actions
Much like Mac's bullpen management!
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
by StevenH on Aug 30, 2007 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Baker: hilarious
Well, let's see.
White, on the mound during 3-3 tie, losing pitcher in 5-3 loss.
White, on the mound when 6-5 goes to 10-5, in a game we lose 10-6.
White, on the mound during 5-5 tie, loses 6-5.
Yeah, brilliant pitching in close games, there, buddy. I can't imagine why he got waived from a last-place NL team.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 8:00 PM PDT reply actions
As well as...
JJ pitched ZERO innings in those games. He's the BEST GODDAMN PITCHER ON THE TEAM.
As I said, this is like pinch-hitting WFB for Ichiro with a runner on second, down a run with two out in the ninth.
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh come on....
This wasn't a 2 outs and no one on base situation for fuck's sake.
Baker's almost as good as Plaschke
by StevenH on Aug 30, 2007 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No, Plaschke's an idiot.
Skillset's what's important, and Rick White's skillset translates to sucking. I mean, COME ON, he hasn't played on the same team two years in a row for years. You think if he was any good at all they MIGHT keep him around?
by eponymous coward on Aug 30, 2007 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I really wonder...
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 8:48 PM PDT reply actions
Bring Back Bobby Ayala...
by LongBeachDave on Aug 30, 2007 8:49 PM PDT reply actions

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