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Open Thread Of Apprehension

Wbc_029_tiny by Jeff Sullivan on in Seattle Mariners News, Regular

Might as well kill two birds with one stone. For one thing, the trade deadline's tomorrow at 1pm PDT, and the Mariners are currently calling everyone about everyone, with Wlad being the most desirable and available bartering chip. In my grossly underinformed opinion, odds are about 60% we do nothing, 25% we get a reliever, 10% we get a position player, and 5% we get a starter. And in the event that Bavasi does pull the trigger, odds are about 80% that we won't like what he did. And while we're speaking in terms of probability, odds are 100% that at least one person calls him the worst GM of all time, regardless of what he does or doesn't do before the deadline officially hits.

As for the second thing, we get this quote from John McLaren prior to tonight's game:

McLaren said before the game that he was "absolutely" going to stick with Ibanez and Richie Sexson down the stretch, despite their significant slumps at the plate.

"When you're a professional and you're not having a great year and you're still going out there and giving it your all, and not hanging your head and battling, that means something to your teammates, and that's important to me," McLaren said.

Raul Ibanez: .255/.307/.394, .511 OPS in July, horrible defense.
Richie Sexson: .204/.304/.404, .619 OPS in July, horrible defense.

When you're not having a great year, and you're still going out there every day and giving it your all, what that means to your teammates is that your all isn't good enough. I'm sure the clubhouse would respond more positively to winning than they do to fruitless effort, so it's high time that somebody cut through the chemistry bullshit and get Adam Jones and Ben Broussard into the lineup. Quit dicking around and make this team better. You'll be glad you did. I promise.

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we have no chance of being a contender
with these kinds of philosophies clouding the minds of the people who run the team. Richie needs a kick in the ass to wake him up, and what would do that more than taking away some of his playing time? I know that I'm preaching to the choir, but consider it more venting. Raul is self explanatory, I don't think he needs to be DFA'd, but he cant be out on the field ever, or batting against a lefty. Why is it so hard for the decision makers to do their job and give this team, and us - the fans who live and die with them, and spend all of our money on them - the best opportunity to win as many games as possible, especially when we are in a fucking god damn playoff race... shit

I just hope that we don't make a shitty trade, or any trade really, and that the management wakes up, does their morning ritual, and goes to work on making this the team that it should be.

by thenatural on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Pathetic
"When you're a professional and you're not having a great year and you're still going out there and giving it your all, and not hanging your head and battling, that means something to your teammates, and that's important to me"

Never has a team so needed Billy Martin.

by NBarnes on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm probably more sympathic to McLaren's attitude
than most. Most here mock the idea of chemistry and such, but I don't think it's unreasonable to want to give veterans a chance to come up big when the team needs them.

BUT here's the two things that really trouble me:

  1. In the last two weeks--a very crucial time for this team and a time when their jobs may have been rumored to be in jepordy--Richie and Raul haven't turned it on. Unlike Vidro, who is hitting for a bit more power and getting key hits, our left fielder and first basement don't seem motivated by their team needs or their jobs.
  2. McLaren is sending a admirable, movie worthy message about sticking with guys and believing in them--but what about the message he's sending to Adam Jones? Or Ben Broussard? Essentially: you can do everything that a team can ask of you in AAA and big situations and still not get the chance on the team you deserve.
So I can see some benefit to McLaren's stance, here, but frankly, I think he also needs to draw a line, and he needs to give the guys that perform a chance to prove they can sustain it. Compromise can be a wonderful thing.

by mary on Jul 31, 2007 4:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Taking only Sexson for the time being
He's got another big-money season next year before his contract is due. It has to be in the Mariners' interest to try to get him through this drought in order to realise some value for him, else he's a $13m (or however much it is) millstone around our necks for another 15 months. If he performs then we have either a good 1B or potential trade fodder. If he doesn't we have a huge lump in the salary bill and nothing to show for it.

Given that, you must surely sympathise with the back office wanting to do everything they can to get him back on the rails.

P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sunk costs
The M's pay for Sexson regardless of if he's good or bad. In a pennant race, the team HAS to do what it takes to win games, not try and justify poor contracts.

by Limerickx on Jul 31, 2007 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Noted
And agreed
P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

And....in fact
they are winning games.

Granted, it may not be the best team they could ultimately put out there, but why mess with something that won't necessarily work.

In the long run, next year, things might be better, but honestly I don't think Adam Jones will make the team win this year.  Yes, he is good and yes, he will be good.  This year, in trying to make the playoffs, will be too much pressure on him.  If he were moved up, it would seem like he is the one needed to get it done.  Honestly, I think he would fail and flail with that chance.

The same thing happened last year when they tried to make him the CF of the future.  He didn't cut it.  Yes, he has gotten better, and still could be the LF or RF of the future (since they have the CF locked up now).  However, due to all the writings and everything else around, it will not be for Adam Jones to be the future but the right now.  I just don't think he is ready to be the right now.

Just my two cents....

by ppl4life on Jul 31, 2007 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes,
they ARE winnings games, but is it because of Richie/Raul? Could they be winning MORE games if they had a 1B/LF who could actually hit?

The Yankees are on a hot streak too, does this mean they shouldn't bring up Phil Hughes because they shouldn't "mess with something that won't necessarily work?"

Adam Jones would be an upgrade over Raul in every way possible.

You started your post with "Granted, it may not be the best team they could ultimately put out there......" and that says it all. It SHOULD be the best team they can put out there, that's the point.

by Limerickx on Jul 31, 2007 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

In sports, results matter
To a GM, results matter far more than how those results are attained.

GM's of teams that are performing well, like the M's are right now, don't sit there and think "well, we COULD be doing a lot better, if we just did this".  All they're thinking is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", and, on aggregate, the M's ain't broke.

There are individual parts that are broken, yes, and I wish they'd get fixed too, but I can see why nothing's happening in that regard.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno...
I think the better GMs ARE thinking, "We COULD be doing better....how can we do that?"

That's thinking agressively. That's taking the initiative, forcing others to react to you.

Taking advantage of every edge you can is the sign of a winner. I don't think "It's not broke, don't fix it" is the sign of a winner's mentality. It's certainly not in business, and I truly doubt it is in sports.

by rtang on Jul 31, 2007 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 2006 Cardinals say hello
Believe me, I'm on the side of the aggressive thinkers here - I just don't think that a lot of GM's are on that same page.  GM's like Beane, Epstein, etc,. do think like that, sure, but other GM's see that you can count the WS rings on Beane and Epstein's hands on one finger, and probably decide to stick with what they know.

Again, I'm not defending it - I wish it would change too - but I understand it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Sexson-Broussard
switch doesn't make as much sense to me as the not making the Raul/Jones switch.

Broussard is a veteran that's been in the majors for a while and has shown he can swing the bat, giving him more PT doesn't hurt anything, sitting Sexson a little more doesn't hurt and might even motivate him a little.

The Ibanez/Jones swap I can understand why that isn't happening.  The prevailing thought is that Jones doesn't need to hit to make this team better, just his defense alone, that's only something that we fans think of, not players and management, defense is secondary to offense... and rookies have a tendency to come up and if they don't start on a hot streak get overwhelmed by frustration because they're trying to impress in order to stay up with the big club.  Add in the pressure of replacing a noted clubhouse favorite in Ibanez, and the high expectations placed upon Jones by the fanbase, and then the pressure of the the pennant race.  It would be a tough thing for Jones if he didn't hit once he came up.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is....
The results the team is getting aren't good enough. The Mariners haven't been in a playoff position since when, April 3rd? At the end of the year, the difference between 1 game out of the hunt and 30 games out is a few fans, but that's about it.

If the team is in first, sure, hold on to what you've got as long as you can, but at this pace, finishing 5-6 games out of the race isn't good enough. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Fine with me, but this team IS broken.

By essentially punting every 5th game (when it's on the road especially), punting LF defense (in order to get a crappy hitter into the middle of the lineup, no less), playing an inferior offensive and defensive 1B 90% of the time....this team is handing its opponents advantages that it can't afford to give up.

Of the 5 teams in the race for 3 playoff spots, none are perfect, but the Mariners have the most obvious holes. And the worst part is, those are holes that should be pretty easily filled (mostly from within). By making a few incredibly obvious moves, this team tightens up the talent gap with the other 4 teams.

You're right, results matter most, but right now, the results aren't good enough, so why is the team insisting on sticking with what's not working?

by AnotherAaron on Jul 31, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Managers say things for effect
I haven't followed Mc's history and don't know if he has a reputation for coming out with gentle quotes to mollycoddle his players, but in all walks of life and especially in sports we know that managers tend to say one thnig in public and act differently behind closed doors. I tend to prefer to judge by actions rather than words.

The material action in this case is making changes to the (active) roster for position players, and we remain the only side of 30 still to make any such changes, in spite of certain poor performers.

What, of course, we don't know is what Mc is saying to Sexson and Raul in private. For all we know he might be saying the same things, else he may be a lot harsher. There isn't, though, any public threat any perhaps that's just his way. Maybe he's a more clinical decision maker who wants to give players every last chance before committing because, as much as anything, he doesn't wish to do an about-face if Broussard or Jones (in this example) don't cut the mustard once given a regular start at 1B/LF.

As much as anything, Mc is also still finding his feet in a first managerial role at this level and he also needs the right amount of time to judge such decisions and isn't likely to rush them.

The right decisions pay the bills, but at the same time they also determine the success of a season. The fact that McLaren has highlighted these two players does, at least signal the fact that he recognises their struggles and it's not like he's putting out propaganda insisting that they're doing well on the field when they patently are not.

I'd rather judge him by the decisions he makes rather than the lack of them at such an early stage in his managerial career.

P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 4:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Mac says he has a lot of Lou in him.
And there's one way I wish he'd show it.  When a player is struggling for Lou, he will tell the media something along the lines of "We can't have a left-fielder who can't catch or hit the ball anymore!  If we could get someone who can hit the damn ball maybe we'd win a few ballgames!"  This not only lights a fire under the player's ass so they may improve, but it also opens the door to the new player.  Coddling your players just doesn't help.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2007 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Successful managers
aren't all of one breed. What works for some isn't considered good practise by others.

The decision (or lack of one) to change about the roster for said players will be best judged in retrospect and for now all we can do is speculate. What happens in the next two months remains and open path.

McLaren might stick with Richie/Raul and they both flunk

McLaren might stick with Richie/Raul and either/both of them come good

McLaren might make changes to one, both or more positions that negatively or positively adjust the performance of the team for the remaining time.

"Coddling your players just doesn't help."

I'm sure that most people managers (in all walks) would disagree with that - in some cases it does work and who are we to judge unless we know these people well enough? Personally I'm not a big fan of lambasting your own team in public. If Pinella did it then bully for him, but what works for some isn't necessarily best practise, is it?

P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

if there's no hope for Raul and Richie
getting benched than I don't see how any trade they make can really better this team significantly.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 5:32 AM PDT reply actions  

They want to lose.
It's the only thing I can think of.

by JI on Jul 31, 2007 6:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Fuck Fuck Fuck
I hate Mac. I'm sorry, I hate him. The team gives us hope and he's going to ruin it by keeping two horrible players out there everyday? Bavasi needs to overrule him, bring up Adam Jones and tell Mac he either puts him in LF everyday or he's fired.

by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 6:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Bavasi...
could have done that weeks, even months ago.  He doesn't want him up yet either.

by ppl4life on Jul 31, 2007 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, good god...
This is fans over-reacting to hype. That means nothing; blathering to the press is what he's SUPPOSED to do.

Watch what he does. He does enough questionable things there to talk about...

by rtang on Jul 31, 2007 7:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I prefer this McLaren comment....
"If there's a definite upgrade, and we're all saying it's the best thing to do, we'll do it," McLaren said. "But mortgaging the franchise, I'm dead against it. There's some guys down there (in the minors) that we think a lot of, and I don't think a rent-a-player is a good idea. That's my feeling, and I think we're all aboard on this thing. We're not going to give up an Adam Jones for a rent-a-player."

by msb on Jul 31, 2007 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Cardinals trade for Jo-El
http://www.hadleyonsports.com/newsletter.php?article_id=450

i guess they really like our trash.

Steroid and Player A can reunite and bond together, hopefully involving superglue

CALL UP ADAM JONES. NOW

by dbroncos31 on Jul 31, 2007 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

About the Clement for Al Reyes rumor...
It's actually pretty hilarious when you think about it in terms of scarcity of talent. Basically, Bavasi is hoping to acquire the single most common commodity in baseball (the right handed reliever) in exchange for what might be the most rare commodity (the left handed catcher who can actually hit).

Did I say hilarious? I meant hilariously tragic.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 31, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Here's the always good Larry Stone's take
"The Rays are looking for catching help and are likely to push hard for former No. 1 pick Jeff Clement, who, like Adam Jones, is deemed close to untouchable by the Mariners. If the Rays don't move off Clement, the deal is likely to die."

by G_ on Jul 31, 2007 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is one rumor
that I am not sure is being totally reported..  Clement for Reyes straight up seems a bit much - even for Bavasi.  Just sounds to me like there is something more there...

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pena
The rumor that Pena might be included has surfaced occasionally.  Why would we NEED that, though, when we could slide Broussard into 1B?  Or Clement, for that matter...
World Series or bust!!!

by KingCorran on Jul 31, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could also be downgraded to Rob Johnson
That seems to be a bit more likely if it is indeed just a straight up trade.  They are DESPERATE for catching help..  I am still holding out hope for Pena and Reyes for Clement :-)  although I have a feeling I will be holding out hope for that well past 1 pm today

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do that.
I don't know how that works in reality. I think Reyes would be a great addition, but he's certainly not worth a top prospect-- but as much as our rotation can suck, it'd be nice to have wicked awesome bullpen.

by JI on Jul 31, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a shame that TB is flush with OFers
Otherwise I'd like to see the team try to include Balentein, with the D-Rays adding Howell into the deal.

by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

make it a big trade?
clement and feierabend for howell, reyes, and pena?

i think i'd do that trade right quick.

by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too
And Tampa gets the pitching and catching it needs.

by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clement/Broussard
for Howell and Pena?

Yes please...

by tait644 on Jul 31, 2007 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

basically
anything that brings us pena, i'm a big fan of.  pena i think could be a huge improvement for this club.  his lefty power is obvious, as well as his patience, but his glove at first base is extremely impressive to the naked eye (i haven't seen any metrics on his defensive prowess, so i won't SWEAR to it, sometimes these things are misleading).  

i think pena upgrades us in two capacities, much as adam jones in left would do, too.

by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still find it hilarious
that the Tigers and Yankees released him last year.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 31, 2007 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha yup
I also find it funny that we're talking about trading one of our best prospects for him when we could of had him for free 4 months ago and last year, and the year before.

Don't get wrong, I'd do the trade in a second, I just find it funny.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

to be fair
we thought we had a viable richie sexson for us this year, as well as raul providing some lefty power.  

man were we wrong, lol.

by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could you imagine?
CF-Ichiro
DH-Vidro / Ibanez / Sexson / Broussard (Obviously not all of them in the 2 hole)
1B-Pena
3B-Beltre
RF-Guillen
LF-Jones
C-Johjima
2B-Lopez
SS-Betancourt

Thats quite the 1-7...

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd go:
vs. RHPs:

Ichiro
Beltre
Pena
Guillen
Johjima
Ibanez (DH)
Jones
Lopez
Betancourt

vs. Lefties:

Ichiro
Vidro
Beltre
Guillen
Johjima
Sexson
Jones
Lopez
Betancourt

Broussard would be gone.  And we'd have a pretty good bench, with lots of ability to mix and match.

by tait644 on Jul 31, 2007 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like Beltre in the 2-hole.
I do, however, like how I see "Jones" in either lineup.

by bpdawg24 on Jul 31, 2007 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steroids McPineiro ---> Cards
Can't wait to see what Will Leitch at Deadspin has to say about this one.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 31, 2007 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Uh ohs, looks like someone's gonna rebound
BTW I don't consider the Cards a clean clubhouse.  LaRussa has always run a loose ship w/r/t PEDs.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not a bad move.
As a below-average, right-handed AL reliever (which I think grow on trees), he's probably in the Cy Young race in the NL. Those division match-ups in Houston should be fun to watch, though.

by AnotherAaron on Jul 31, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Betemit for Proctor???
The Dodgers are retarded.  Betemit is a pretty good player, and I might be wrong..but doesn't Proctor blow?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah
Proctor isnt HORRIBLE but the Dodgers got totally fleeced in this trade. What a dumb move.

by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

MOTHERFUCKER
God help any small child that gets in my path today, because I will drop kick the hell out of them.

Why can't I be a fan of ONE baseball team with a decent front office?

Fucking pathetic.  FUCK!

by Garces on Jul 31, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

DePodesta wouldn't have made that trade.
But somewhere Bill Plaschke smiles his evil smile.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 31, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Yankees so won that deal
Betemit has been so misused his entire big league career.  The Yanks just got themselves one hell of a bench talent.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not bench
if A-Rod exercises his out after the season is over. Betemit could be their third baseman of the future.

by kva15 on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we'll do something, Jeff.
Back in 1998 when the Angels were in contention, Bavasi did not make a trade at the deadline. Many fans got mad at him since they didn't make the playoffs and so he said he'd not make that mistake again.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

well
another thing to remember is that the trade deadline is not really a full deadline.  there can still easily be trades after today, they just have to go through waivers.  the only REAL deadline comes at the end of august, when the 40-man roster for playoff eligibility becomes set.

i don't think bavasi is feeling forced to act.  i don't THINK.

by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well
most of the big trades go through by today.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling
There will be some sort of amazingly wonderful trade made today. Like HoRam for Soriano.

by Corco on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

like Jones for Torres?
or Clement for Reggie Sanders?

Fuck.

--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sticking with Ibanez and Sexson
Honestly, I don't care.  I really don't.  I knew they were going to stick around till the end anyway.

What annoyed me to no end was that they insisted on batting Raul 3rd in the lineup, no matter what.

If you're going to run black holes in the lineup position said black hole where it does the least amount of damage...down in the order, and in one spot.  It took seven straight losses to figure this out and now we've one four straight since changing the lineup for the better.

Ultimately, I always knew that things were going to come down to how Raul and Richie perfomed while we contend for the playoffs.

by ThundaPC on Jul 31, 2007 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I know it's MLBTradeRumors, but still...
in regards to Chad Cordero
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/nats-relievers-.html
Will a desperate team offer a top flight prospect like an Adam Jones?

fuck that. not a fucking chance

CALL UP ADAM JONES. NOW

by dbroncos31 on Jul 31, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Really starting to doubt anything
worth noting is going to go down in the next 2 hours.. and as much as we can see glaring holes that need to be filled - there is nothing out there to satisfactorily fill those holes.  I think this is the first July 31st where I actively do not mind seeing no deals going down

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Read this else where
Jermaine dye is heading to the Red Sox for Wily Mo Pena and Manny Declarmaren, dependent on Dye waving his no trade clause

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

T-Minus 2 hours and counting....
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Gagne to Boston..
from MLBTradeRumors.com (per Ken Rosenthal on Foxsports.com)  Say he may take over closing duties and Papelbon could setup..   stupid but ok

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Steve Phillips reporting
Mariners in talks with the Giants for Matt Morris..   guh.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

There is no way we get through this deadline
without making a boneheaded move.  I refuse to get my hopes up that it is even possible.

by Zack on Jul 31, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, as we cross over the 2 hour mark
I get more and more scared.  The rumors just are not out there and the ones that are are a little less than good

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take it,
as long as they take Sexson and Ibanez.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the M's deal for Morris
it's highly likely that Sexson goes the other way. So are we losers or winners in that one?

by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Winners
Morris contrac>Sexson contract.

Morris>Ho

Brouusard>>>>>Sexson

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm all for a Sexson - Morris trade
it allows Ben to get more PT.  I don't think Morris is that good, but he's probably better than Ho.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Winners
I'd take Morris if it meant Sexson gone cause that would force Broussard to play more and probably Jones into everyday LF.

by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I trade richie for matt
Matt's an upgrade over Ho, and Broussard's an upgrade over Richie.
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sexson for Morris straight up?
I'd do it. More ABs for Broussard, but I'm still convinced Sexson has a nice hot streak in him before the end of the year. Morris is not a good pitcher, but neither is HoRam. He's a groundball contact pitcher who doesn't walk a lot of guys and doesn't give up too many HR. It'd be worth it just to be rid of Sexson's contract.

by sammy on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

B..Bu..B.B..Bu..But
Sexson is a hometown favorite!
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah
Cause we need another below average starter.

by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its not noon yet but alcohol sounds
sooooo good..I'm freaking out man!
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm at work
I wish I could drink lol.

by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

KJR
who is the host again? He's been harping on how dumb trading for a bullpen arm is...i like this guy
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

No you don't
This is the first thing he has said in the last few years. Gave Willie his own segment. Official driver of the bring Griffey home bandwagon. The living definition of a uniformed Seattle homer.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just turned on KJR
and thats all I've heard from him....but I guess you are probably right
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Working on the wrap-up
Checking the internet for news.

90 minutes and change left.

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by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

What a poor morning
I had a haircut, and Sexson is still on the team. Boo.

by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Phillips just said
he got a message saying Morris to Seattle is "not really going to be a fit"

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

clearly a text from Ho
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if any of you read
Geoff Baker's Seattle Times Blog, but in it he says the Mariners HAVE to trade Clement for Reyes, as that is what market value is (as said by the devil rays) and that the 2 monthes we get out of reyes will make us a playoff team. Also if we DONT make the move, he says we are a team that covets our prospects too much... SINCE WHEN do we keep good prospects? I'm so frustrated by the utter stupidity of Seattle Sports heads (I'm looking at you KJR)
Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Baker has lost all my respect
He has absolutely no concept of prospect value and has no idea of how extremely mediocre Reyes is. Gagne for Clement? I'd consider the hell out of that. Reyes for Clement? That's embarassing.

by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

He also says
That Reyes is a "veteran" with late innning "experience". If Bill Bavasi sees that we're toast
Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's lost your respect?
Because he doesn't agree with your evaluation of prospects?  Grow up.

by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is a difference
between not agreeing on prospect evaluation and just being an ignorant reporter...which is what Baker has proven to be the past few days
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's ignorant at all.
He's just wedded to a different roster management approach than we are.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably the wrong term to use
How about Baker has gone from being a decent reporter to a fucking tool?

by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baker has his belief systems
Some of them agree with people and some of them don't.  It's like slumps and hot streaks.  For a long while, we've heard a lot from him that we agree with.  Now, as the trade deadline aproaches, we're hearing his stance on trades and prospects, which happens to not agree with everybody.

Baker didn't really change.  He just didn't say anything you strongly disagreed with until recently.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can you really defend
a Beat guy who is with the team all the time and still says what we need most is a righty reliever at the expense of one of our top 5 prospects? I wouldn't say I've lost respect for him but I would say I have lost respect for what he says, and will take it with a grain of salt
Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not sure that Reyes
being called extremely mediocre is correct.  He isn't JJ but he isn't Matt Herges either.  Since everyone loves WPA here - Al Reyes' combined WPA this year according to fangraphs is 1.97 (.01 below Scot Shields and above Gagne, Valverde, Lidge, Rivera...) His ERA looks terrible but he does hold batters to a .200 BAA, a WHIP just above 1, a 3:1 K:BB ratio.  He may not be a dominant finisher a la Putz, but he is far from extremely mediocre

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly,
I am not saying getting Reyes isn't completely redundant - just that he is better than a lot of people are giving him credit for.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reyes is damned fine?
Because he has pitched well this year, when hes 37? look at his history, he's been a journeyman who just this year finally became a closer, if only because TB had nothing else to throw there. He pumps out some good innings and now TB can turn him for a top prospect? Maybe I just don't "get" baseball stuff like all those GM's
Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's a good reliever.
Throws strikes, misses bats, the usual stuff. Extreme flyball guy, but that'd work out okay in Safeco.

The problem is that good relievers are almost never worth trading for.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baker's not perfect
But let's give him some props for his blog. A lot of the stuff he says is good, he has pretty good insight into the clubhouse and has been on the Bavasi is screwing this up bandwagon. Is he wrong about this deal? Hells yeah. He doesn't value Sherill enough and doesn't understand the value of prospects. But he's been right more than he's been wrong.

by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Please show me
where he gets on bavasi other then to say he hasn't made a deal yet. He agrees with everythign McLaren and Bavasi say
Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baker >>> Finnigan
By such a wide margin it's not even funny. I grossly overreacted above, but, I'm not a happy trade deadline person. it's the most annoying time of the year for baseball fans and it's tough not to click refresh every 15 minutes to see some more ridiculous rumors.

Baker is a good reporter. His idea of value is skewed in my eyes.

And yes, Reyes is a decent reliever. But like Jeff said above, we have a lot of those already.

by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate
when he keeps saying that contending teams don't break in rookies midseason.

The Brewers have a rookie in the 3 spot of the lineup and a rookie is currently their ace. The Yankees called up Hughes, possibly before he was ready. Oakland has been running out AAA guys all year and done very well despite the injuries. The Red Sox with Gabbard and Lester... the list goes on and on.

by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on Proctor for Betemit?
All the Yankees fans I know seem upset to give up Proctor, Dave thinks its a steal for the Yankees.
Free Adam Jones

by bluemax on Jul 31, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

He's absolutely correct
Colletti is a moron. Absolutely no idea of player value. Clearly, another over payment for an everage at best reliever.

by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with Dave and Trent
The Yankees just pickpocketed one hell of a young utility player, an underrated one at that, for Some Veteran Middle Reliever.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dotel to the Braves is official
breathing a sigh of relief.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Big improvement for their bullpen
sez' ESPN. Wow, their stupid.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is?
Seriously? But he's really not that good.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

he is good
he just wasn't worth our big prospects.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid for KC.
For Atlanta fans, this is like Soriano for HoRam part deux

by sammy on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost, but not quite.
Soriano is better than Dotel, and around for longer, while Davies is better than that sorry Hobag.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually
I think this works for both teams, even if the Braves came out ahead.  KC has absolutely nobody useful in the back end or even the middle of their rotation, so getting a young arm like Davies is an upgrade for a rotation that consists of Gil Meche and... uh.... Brian... Bannister....?  Jorge De... La Rosa....?  Davies isn't anything special, but he is WAY better than any of KC's back-end SP alternatives right now.

Meanwhile, the Royals have no real use for Dotel.  Might as well swap him for someone they have use for.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kyle Davies is
23.
visiting A's fan.

by rfloh @ Lookout Landing on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually they are kinda right
Dotel is still pretty solid, he just wasn't worth Wlad or any other of our big prospects.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fwack.
One hour left... I need to sleep, I go to work in 4 hours...

Damn you, Japan Standard Time...

Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

T-Minus 1 hour and counting...
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

ONE HOUR LEFT!
Breathe, Lookout Landing, breathe.

And Bavasi please don't screw this up.

Hiram Bocachica, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Just saw the name "Engel Beltre"
on a rotoworld headline and I damned near had a heart attack.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 31, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I wouln't mind Bob Engel and Beltre teaming up
Fighting crime and signing phemons all night long.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'd be as bad as...
Florida getting rid of Joe Girardi in 2005 after the end of the season. NL Manager of the Year mean anything to a fading franchise?
Hiram Bocachica, your Seattle Mariners legacy will not be forgotten.

by GoodKeith on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit
ESPN trade chat just had someone say the Angels traded Kotchman, Saunders, and Quinlan for Glaus and Towers (Mariner-killer). Jonah keri is trying to verify it. Methinks the OC got hosed on that if its true.

by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know if that's true
but if it is, how miraculously pointless.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The moderator
was stupid and asked people to post trades..and people did exactly that...only they did the ones dreamed up in their heads
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh I see now
A guy named Geoff from Toronto, how convenient.

I will still hope it happens. Glaus' avg has quickly gotten to a more comfortable zone lately.

by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG I'd LOL if that trade was for real
The Angels would get so hosed and the AL West would be so ours.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Karl Ravich "The O's are done"
that was the understatement of the year.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah MAN....Ensberg off the market now
Padres got him according to Olney..probably for a bow-tie..clip on at that
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

That ballpark is going to kill him.
They would've been better off keeping Branyan.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought...
The Litter Box was better for righties.
Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have park factors on me
but based on what I've seen of the stadium, I don't know why it would be. That little porch in right field makes for a punch of pop-up lefty homers, and the left-center power alley is pretty damn deep.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here we go
it's better for righties after all. But it's still significantly worse than Minute Maid for hitters to every location but center field.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/home-run-park-factor-a-new-approach/

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That just makes me depressed...
With how the damn home team lineup is composed.

Safeco RF is Coors Field!

Pah.

Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ensberg
would've been eaten alive here.

by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even the TD has East Coast Bias.
That's why it ends at 4:00 in the East.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

But why chose 4:00 Eastern time?
Eassssssssssstttttttttttttt cooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssst bbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssss!
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus fucking Christ.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It should be 5 AM east coast, 2 AM west coast
that way you could sleep through it.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's funny.
They should make it 7 PM EDT so we get until 4.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...
It IS 5 AM JST.

Damn it.

Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's a start!
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If anything
A 1:00 trade deadline would indicate that it took the West coast into consideration otherwise it would be at 12:00 EST. You must not remember the days of 12:00 AM trades.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

"that is time zones"?
c'mon Jeff, you know plurality better than that.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

it ends at 1 PM on the west coast
WTF, is the difference??
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you get up here at 10:00 in the morning here
you got three hours to make a trade. If you wake up at 10:00 in New York you get six hours to make a trade.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting up at 10:00 in New York is the same
as getting up at 7:00 in the morning here.

Are you that fucking dumb?

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can assure you...
All 30 GMs have been on speed, nicotine and caffeine the last 3 days.
Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regardless of the time
they still get 3 hours retard
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What would you rather have?
Ability to sleep in which gives you a better chance of making a better trade for you team, and have plenty of time to make one. Or to wake up at a comfortable time and have to hustle to make a trade?
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hope that you're trolling
...becuase if you're not then it takes proper effort to be that ignorant/thick.
P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

stop talking/typing
your going to explode.

Go ponder this...what came first, the chicken or the egg?

WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, so the solution is...
West Coast teams can continue trading with each other for an extra three hours?

Nonsense. A deadline is a deadline, doesn't matter if it's at 4am so long as everyone has a fair crack. Or does everyone actually wake up at 10am on one of the biggest business days of the year in your world?

P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stop making sense.
You're confusing him...

...I mean, feeding the goat.

Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coach is right
We need to change the direction of the Earths rotation in order to give us an extra 3 hours to complete Operation Extreme Redundancy

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know what?
Just forget I said anything.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joke anyways.
God, you guys overreact.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, you were serious...
and that's what makes it so funny.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prove I was serious.
Come on, prove it.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stop please.
Don't make me ban you for trolling.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 31, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

you should ban him
so he has to go back to being coach owens :)
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

scroll up
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think I meant all that?
My I.Q. is over 120. I'm not an idiot.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

EVIL! EVIL!
GET AWAY! YOU'RE EVIL!
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah? Well how about I start talking
about how Gil Meche looks like a fish. Huh?
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is wrong with you?
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who's your
favorite player who ever played? How would you like it if they got insulted?
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jose Cruz Jr.
And I am not sure I have ever heard anything except for superlatives on how bad he is..  ya move on..

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Edmonds
Go for it
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Edmonds SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH! EAT THAT FOR BREAKFAST!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Olerud sucks
So much in fact that he got suck all over Sele before the 01 playoffs.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why he tied the AL record
for most intential walks?
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're going to stop, right?
Or am I going to have to make you stop?
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get 'em Sparky
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Olerud sucked
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ruh ohs
Jeff might need to wear a bullet proof vest to LL night

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Pena
be my guest and make fun of him.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Felix and Sasaki
Touch them and I will burn down Oleruds frat house.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously.
Sasaki? Who cheated on his wife?
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

your dad?
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't ban him
This thread of comments is the only thing making the apparent impending doom bearable.

Also John Olerud was sucked.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna play..
John Olerud sucked.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes you are
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I want to hang this over your head
for a long time, so you have to change your name again
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

how is that fun?
we're almost to the point of being able to have a poll on the most illogical stances you've ever made.

Drinking --> killing pedestrians
Trade deadline --> example of east coast bias
John Olerud --> proof that all players get better after leaving the Mariners

which to choose?!

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

shouldn't we just freeze the rotation?
otherwise we'll gain time while the east coast loses it.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

west coast GMs could also
make trades at midnight pac time, which is 3am east time.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

crap I screwed it up last post
but with this one, I shall close the loop and bring this thread around again to the left side.

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, nevermind
I screwed it up again. It's hard to follow the threading so far.

But surely now...!

by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

how boring...
Which is probably good in our case
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Phillips said something about
Al Reyes being involved in a 3-way deal.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Uh oh's
Hang on to your hats folks.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait Bavasi
doesn't do 3 team trades

Does he?

Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

we get cupcakes? hahaha
that'd be hilarious...just kidding guys
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bavasi in a 3-way
probably involves some DP and a rectal reconstruction.

I know, horrible imagery there.

by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

DP?
Uh ohs, hide Lopez and Yuni, lest they end up scarred for life.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced
that Phillips' phone doesn't service.

by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Phillips
did play Lloyd Braun on Seinfeld.

by G_ on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?
No he didn't.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he was saying that
because you know, Llyod went crazy. Just like Steve Phillips.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re-watch the episode
where George and Lloyd sell computers out of Frank's garage.

ding-ding-ding

by G_ on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

HOOCHIE MAMA!
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I dislike Bavasi
at least our GM isn't Phillips
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing
way worse than Soriano for Ho
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I have extreme disdain
for Phillips as a Mets fan, that wasn't him. That was Jim Duquette and Rick Peterson.
visiting A's fan.

by rfloh @ Lookout Landing on Jul 31, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great
seems like the M's have a history of freaking out with less than a half hour to go...ESPN2 just gave us two great examples :(
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Well those were both Woody Woodward
who only made one good trade in his career as GM.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both Randy Johnson trades were good.
As was the Buhner trade. The trade to get Blowers was ok. The Norm Charlton trade was ok. The Jamie Moyer trade was good. Roberto Kelly was good in the 2 months he was here. Bell for Cora was good. You can't say he made no good moves.

by Mariner John on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope that whenever GMs call one another
they list the players they have available, and then say "Is that something you might be interested in?"

by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

heh
Ibanez, Sexson, Ho, and Ellison.  Is there something you might be interested in?
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh
What if I told you I had a 37 year old PROVEN veteran reliever, is that something you might be interested in?

by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

baseballchannel.tv
Is this Texas fan this thickest phone-in caller ever?!
P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

So anything flying around
I should be aware of before I head back to work?
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

MATEO'S GONE!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I love me some Philadelphia...
...but the sad truth is they probably are much more able to get away with having guys like that on their roster.  

by darrylzero on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously
if you live in the area, buy some stock in mace and tazer companies.

by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

What? Where? Who? How?
I'm at work what happened?
Bench Ibanez and Sexson (aka Speedro and ManBearPig).

by CapSea on Jul 31, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welll.......
I got no problem with that.

by rtang on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

As the end nears....
I somehow feel the end is near.....we give away the farm for magic beans......Bavasi gets rave reviews by the local press and darkness sets upon the season....
I killed a 12 pack just to watch it die...

by Dollar97 on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Gillick Strikes again
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

ESPN chat:
mike (nyc): phillies just got julio mateo from the mariners. thanks to jason stark

 Jonah Keri: (3:48 PM ET ) Julio Mateo is not a good pitcher. Phils could've done better.

LOL

--Dave

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Did they get anyone?
Of any relevance? Or did we simply give him away
Bench Ibanez and Sexson (aka Speedro and ManBearPig).

by CapSea on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

that I haven't found yet
but even a PTBNL is more useful than Mateo
--Dave

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

26 year old AA hitting SS
so we got nothing for him
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

We got nothing for him
So I suppose it was an equal trade across the board, since they certainly got nothing from us.
Bench Ibanez and Sexson (aka Speedro and ManBearPig).

by CapSea on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

God, in that park too...
He's going to get destroyed.  Of course, if Franklin can succeed there, even for short stretches, I guess that OF defense must be pretty durn good.

by darrylzero on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

We didnt get anything for Mateo
woooo...i guess everyone knows we didnt want him..hence the lack of return...26 year old AA player? ugh
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Especially with what RP are going for!
k, im kidding..but I liked being able to watch him AAA.  All the women went up to the last row of the stadium when he came in
I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

re: Mateo
from Rotoworld: "It's nice to see Mateo is no longer being held hostage by Seattle. Citizens Bank Park is a bad fit for his extreme flyball tendencies, but he'll still be of some help in middle relief."

hostage???

by msb on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

The hostage situation:
MLB Gm's: Name your demands for Julio Mateo.
M's: We're not giving him up easily. We want a WHOLE package of Jolly Ranchers. A grilled cheese. And if you want to be generous a professional baseball player.
MLB Gm's: We've deliberated and the Phillies will take him. (Other gms snicker)
I type 101 words a minute. But its in my own language.

by andyboi on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I approve of this deadline deal!
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

White haired guy on ESPN2
He just listed the top teams in the AL: Boston, Anaheim, Detroit, and New York.

Seattle and Cleveland do not exist.

by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Apparently
The Yankees will always be a top team, no matter what.  They are like baseball's version of Notre Dame football.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Notre Dame will always be a good team
Charlie Weis is a greek god of coaching
I type 101 words a minute. But its in my own language.

by andyboi on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaha
Notre Dame, hahahahaha
Free Adam Jones

by bluemax on Jul 31, 2007 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Notre Dame Football
beating up on military academies all the way to the BCS!
--Dave

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

wrong answer
Hey Raul, please quit. Thank you NB

by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if they lose 121 games next year.
they'll be #2 on the PR.
I am not Coach Owens!

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh shit....
Shop smart......Shop s-mart...... YOU GOT THAT!!!!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

YES. NO MORE WIFE VULTURE.
He and Brett Myers can now exchange wifebeating tips, much to the chagrin of Jamie Moyer.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Bavasi is an Idiot!
He traded away Mateo for nothing.  He should have at least gotten Ryan Howard or Aaron RowlaND!

WE ARE SCREWED!!

Last place here we come!!!!

 

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

"OR?"
Not "both?"
Bench Ibanez and Sexson (aka Speedro and ManBearPig).

by CapSea on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, "or"
Bavasi is such a stupid idiot that you couldn't expect both.
Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep - season is over..
That's it - we didn't get anything AND we gave away our best late inning groundball pitcher! Whatever shall we do!?  

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

no stupid trades
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
--Dave

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Bavasi is an idiot for not being an idiot!
Bavasi can't even be an idiot the right way!

Hello last place, we're back home again!

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2007 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Bill Bavasi
just went from Worthless Douche to turd sandwich by salvaging our future
Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

It's a good thing......
(....resumes breathing)

by gblady on Jul 31, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm just not getting the sarcasm
but does anyone really think we are going to be any worse now that we don't have wife vulture closing AAA games?
Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

No
Everyone is glad he's gone.
Bench Ibanez and Sexson (aka Speedro and ManBearPig).

by CapSea on Jul 31, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was not a good guy, and not much of a pitcher
He had a competitive reputation that belied his actual ability so we're glad he's not around to tempt anybody to use him.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prophetic Jeff
Started this all off with the quote "killing two birds with one stone." The vulture is gone. Now can someone tell me exactly what type of bird Reitsma is?

Swallow... don't go there, but it would explain how he lasted as long as he did

Seagull... waits until near the end of the game, then comes in and shits all over the field

Generic broken winged...?

by kva15 on Jul 31, 2007 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Reitsma is a bird
who is done for the season and will never wear a Mariner jersey again.
--Dave

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently Hicks offered Teixerira a 8 year
$140 million extension before they traded him and Tex turned it down.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

idiot
he's not worth half that.

Also, is Scott Boras the most annoying motherfucker or what.  I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kid.

--Dave

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember
When Boras asks for $140 million, he gets $14 million if the deal is done.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

When do rosters expand?
AKA when do we FINALLY get Adam Jones up here?
*Call up Wladam Jonentien!!!*

by SethGrandpa on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, so much for Sexson leaving.
Morris was traded to the Pirates per rotoworld.
Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

WTF???
although this is Dave Littlefield....you can't put anything past him.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baffling
I really wanted to take a road trip to go see the Pirates stadium this summer because I've been hearing how fantastic it is, but now I think I'm going to have to stand in solidarity with Pirates fans and refuse spend any money there.  Maybe I'll change my mind next year though, when I have some time.  What do I owe Pirates fans, anyway?

by darrylzero on Jul 31, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?
Why are the Pirates doing this deal exactly?
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

um
Step 1. Compile 15 straight losing seasons.
Step 2. Acquire Matt Morris
Step 3. ??????
Step 4. Profit.

by JI on Jul 31, 2007 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

n/s
plus the Pirates are on the hook for the whole contract.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

To bolster their rotation
in their quest for a 70 win season.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I understand the happiness
Everyone on here, and pretty much everywhere has said that the M's are not as good as the Angels, and likely not as good as Cleveland or NYY.... so the deadline has come and gone, and nothing was done so we're still no better then those in front of us.

Sure we didn't trade any of our top prospects, but we still have the dead weight of Sexson and Ibanez and Ho-Ram, so while its good that Jones and Wlad are still in the organization, this team didn't do anything to make the chances of the post season any better.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Who was available that was better
that wouldn't have cost the M's their future?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know who was available
and what they would have cost... but the fact that they did absolutely nothing to improve their chances of making the playoffs doesn't seem like something to be elated about.

matter of fact it was something everyone used to blow a gasket over when we were in the middle of that hot streak in the early 2000's.

Now we're elated by not making deadline moves to improve the club?

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you assure us
that any deals on the table would have significantly improved this team's chances to make the playoffs, without a disproportionate sacrifice of the present or future?

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

No More then you can
assure me that our prospects are not going to turn in to the same thing we had with our prospects back in the 2000's.... Snelling, Ryan Anderson, Nageotte, just to name a few.... we held on to them because they were more valuable then what we acquired and where did that get us?

I'm not saying we needed to gut the farm system for a mediocre player... heck I'm not even saying there was a deal that would have made sense to improve the club.

But doing nothing and being happy about doesn't make sense either, when your club has the chance to make the playoffs but as quite a few obvious flaws to it.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what could we have gotten?
We can concoct and dig up rumors until the cows come home, but who honestly was on the table and offered to us and what did those players cost?  We don't know.  We only have a variety of rumors, most of which probably aren't credible, to go off of.

You also have to think of marginal utility.  How much better does Al Reyes make us?  Or Matt Morris?  Or Mark Loretta?  How many extra ballgames does one of those guys win you?  Do these guys help you beyond this season?  Will you have to eat a large contract in subsequent years, for a guy who may go from helping you now (maybe) to being a Raul-like liability in a year or two? And is that worth punting a #2 or #3 prospect, or any key prospect that likely covers a need in 1-2 years?

You have to think a little deeper about this stuff.  Ye,s the M's have oles. That doesn't mean a trade would have necessarily filled them, or done so without creating new holes, if not now then in the future.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have to think
any deeper.. I'm a fan of this team not running it.  The fact is today this team is absolutely no different then it was yesterday, or two weeks ago.  I personally don't care about the future I care about this season, there is plenty of time to worry about what's going to happen in '08 and beyond.  

And for this team, when its making a push, to do absolutely nothing just leaves everything at status quo like it was back in the day when Lou was here and we were all complaining about Stand Pat not doing diddly squat to push this team to the playoffs.

Would someone like Reyes have helped this team win a few extra ballgames?  We'll never know because nothing happened to bring in any talent.  Even if they brought him in and he'd helped put one more win in the win column vs. the status quo could have meant the differnece between the playoffs or not.

Again, I don't know what was available and what was being asked for, just as much as anyone else doesn't know that we overpaid, the fact is, we did nothing, so we don't know what we could have had and what we would have paid for it, other then the rumors that were out there.  

The fact is, this year's team is no different now, and has no better chance of reaching the playoffs then it did yesterday or last month.

Not trading a bunch for very little is something to be happy about.... doing absolutely nothing is not something to be happy about.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that's the case
I personally don't care about the future I care about this season, there is plenty of time to worry about what's going to happen in '08 and beyond.

Then you should be ecstatic that the M's did nothing.  There were no good rent-a-players available, and the only M's players with trade value are guys I wouldn't want to trade during a pennant race - which, oddly enough, we're in.

Sometimes, nothing's as good as something.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, too, care about this season
But there were no options that were going to win us any games.

We already know that Reyes would have been redundant and completely unnecessary.  Loretta?  Was he going to help us at all?  Not likely.  Unless we were somehow going to get someone like Dunn, there just wasn't anybody worth having.

As for the team not being better than yesterday, I don't really care.  If you add a Reyes or a Loretta, you're still not any better than you were yesterday, and you've given up a chip that may help you in the future.

--Dave

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by David Piper on Jul 31, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say...
...it's more relief than elation.  Everybody knows that the M's have holes, but the way to plug the holes the M's have is not to create bigger ones just for the sake of being seen to be "doing something".
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not all deadlines are created equal.
Back then, there were players actually worth getting.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think
most people would argue that we have ways of making this team better that come from within and don't cost us nearly as much as they would had we tried to go outside the organization.

by jtopps on Jul 31, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you honestly think anybody wants Sexson
or Ibanez? I don't really blame Bavasi for not unloading them. I'm pretty sure it was next to impossible.

And there just wasn't anybody out there worth getting that made sense.

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one was taking Sexson, Ibañez or HoRam
Any talk thereof was a giant pipe dream.  I don't even buy the Morris rumor: sounds like a shit-stirring recycled rumor to me.

There just wasn't a good deal to be made that didn't involve a disproportionately high sacrifice.  I for one am glad the M's didn't bother.

by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

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