Open Thread Of Apprehension
Might as well kill two birds with one stone. For one thing, the trade deadline's tomorrow at 1pm PDT, and the Mariners are currently calling everyone about everyone, with Wlad being the most desirable and available bartering chip. In my grossly underinformed opinion, odds are about 60% we do nothing, 25% we get a reliever, 10% we get a position player, and 5% we get a starter. And in the event that Bavasi does pull the trigger, odds are about 80% that we won't like what he did. And while we're speaking in terms of probability, odds are 100% that at least one person calls him the worst GM of all time, regardless of what he does or doesn't do before the deadline officially hits.
As for the second thing, we get this quote from John McLaren prior to tonight's game:
"When you're a professional and you're not having a great year and you're still going out there and giving it your all, and not hanging your head and battling, that means something to your teammates, and that's important to me," McLaren said.
Raul Ibanez: .255/.307/.394, .511 OPS in July, horrible defense.
Richie Sexson: .204/.304/.404, .619 OPS in July, horrible defense.
When you're not having a great year, and you're still going out there every day and giving it your all, what that means to your teammates is that your all isn't good enough. I'm sure the clubhouse would respond more positively to winning than they do to fruitless effort, so it's high time that somebody cut through the chemistry bullshit and get Adam Jones and Ben Broussard into the lineup. Quit dicking around and make this team better. You'll be glad you did. I promise.
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we have no chance of being a contender
I just hope that we don't make a shitty trade, or any trade really, and that the management wakes up, does their morning ritual, and goes to work on making this the team that it should be.
by thenatural on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic
Never has a team so needed Billy Martin.
by NBarnes on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably more sympathic to McLaren's attitude
BUT here's the two things that really trouble me:
- In the last two weeks--a very crucial time for this team and a time when their jobs may have been rumored to be in jepordy--Richie and Raul haven't turned it on. Unlike Vidro, who is hitting for a bit more power and getting key hits, our left fielder and first basement don't seem motivated by their team needs or their jobs.
- McLaren is sending a admirable, movie worthy message about sticking with guys and believing in them--but what about the message he's sending to Adam Jones? Or Ben Broussard? Essentially: you can do everything that a team can ask of you in AAA and big situations and still not get the chance on the team you deserve.
by mary on Jul 31, 2007 4:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Taking only Sexson for the time being
Given that, you must surely sympathise with the back office wanting to do everything they can to get him back on the rails.
by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunk costs
by Limerickx on Jul 31, 2007 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And....in fact
Granted, it may not be the best team they could ultimately put out there, but why mess with something that won't necessarily work.
In the long run, next year, things might be better, but honestly I don't think Adam Jones will make the team win this year. Yes, he is good and yes, he will be good. This year, in trying to make the playoffs, will be too much pressure on him. If he were moved up, it would seem like he is the one needed to get it done. Honestly, I think he would fail and flail with that chance.
The same thing happened last year when they tried to make him the CF of the future. He didn't cut it. Yes, he has gotten better, and still could be the LF or RF of the future (since they have the CF locked up now). However, due to all the writings and everything else around, it will not be for Adam Jones to be the future but the right now. I just don't think he is ready to be the right now.
Just my two cents....
by ppl4life on Jul 31, 2007 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
The Yankees are on a hot streak too, does this mean they shouldn't bring up Phil Hughes because they shouldn't "mess with something that won't necessarily work?"
Adam Jones would be an upgrade over Raul in every way possible.
You started your post with "Granted, it may not be the best team they could ultimately put out there......" and that says it all. It SHOULD be the best team they can put out there, that's the point.
by Limerickx on Jul 31, 2007 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In sports, results matter
GM's of teams that are performing well, like the M's are right now, don't sit there and think "well, we COULD be doing a lot better, if we just did this". All they're thinking is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", and, on aggregate, the M's ain't broke.
There are individual parts that are broken, yes, and I wish they'd get fixed too, but I can see why nothing's happening in that regard.
by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
That's thinking agressively. That's taking the initiative, forcing others to react to you.
Taking advantage of every edge you can is the sign of a winner. I don't think "It's not broke, don't fix it" is the sign of a winner's mentality. It's certainly not in business, and I truly doubt it is in sports.
by rtang on Jul 31, 2007 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2006 Cardinals say hello
Again, I'm not defending it - I wish it would change too - but I understand it.
by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sexson-Broussard
Broussard is a veteran that's been in the majors for a while and has shown he can swing the bat, giving him more PT doesn't hurt anything, sitting Sexson a little more doesn't hurt and might even motivate him a little.
The Ibanez/Jones swap I can understand why that isn't happening. The prevailing thought is that Jones doesn't need to hit to make this team better, just his defense alone, that's only something that we fans think of, not players and management, defense is secondary to offense... and rookies have a tendency to come up and if they don't start on a hot streak get overwhelmed by frustration because they're trying to impress in order to stay up with the big club. Add in the pressure of replacing a noted clubhouse favorite in Ibanez, and the high expectations placed upon Jones by the fanbase, and then the pressure of the the pennant race. It would be a tough thing for Jones if he didn't hit once he came up.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is....
If the team is in first, sure, hold on to what you've got as long as you can, but at this pace, finishing 5-6 games out of the race isn't good enough. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Fine with me, but this team IS broken.
By essentially punting every 5th game (when it's on the road especially), punting LF defense (in order to get a crappy hitter into the middle of the lineup, no less), playing an inferior offensive and defensive 1B 90% of the time....this team is handing its opponents advantages that it can't afford to give up.
Of the 5 teams in the race for 3 playoff spots, none are perfect, but the Mariners have the most obvious holes. And the worst part is, those are holes that should be pretty easily filled (mostly from within). By making a few incredibly obvious moves, this team tightens up the talent gap with the other 4 teams.
You're right, results matter most, but right now, the results aren't good enough, so why is the team insisting on sticking with what's not working?
by AnotherAaron on Jul 31, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they don't think the way you think
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Managers say things for effect
The material action in this case is making changes to the (active) roster for position players, and we remain the only side of 30 still to make any such changes, in spite of certain poor performers.
What, of course, we don't know is what Mc is saying to Sexson and Raul in private. For all we know he might be saying the same things, else he may be a lot harsher. There isn't, though, any public threat any perhaps that's just his way. Maybe he's a more clinical decision maker who wants to give players every last chance before committing because, as much as anything, he doesn't wish to do an about-face if Broussard or Jones (in this example) don't cut the mustard once given a regular start at 1B/LF.
As much as anything, Mc is also still finding his feet in a first managerial role at this level and he also needs the right amount of time to judge such decisions and isn't likely to rush them.
The right decisions pay the bills, but at the same time they also determine the success of a season. The fact that McLaren has highlighted these two players does, at least signal the fact that he recognises their struggles and it's not like he's putting out propaganda insisting that they're doing well on the field when they patently are not.
I'd rather judge him by the decisions he makes rather than the lack of them at such an early stage in his managerial career.
by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 4:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mac says he has a lot of Lou in him.
by BrettJMiller on Jul 31, 2007 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Successful managers
The decision (or lack of one) to change about the roster for said players will be best judged in retrospect and for now all we can do is speculate. What happens in the next two months remains and open path.
McLaren might stick with Richie/Raul and they both flunk
McLaren might stick with Richie/Raul and either/both of them come good
McLaren might make changes to one, both or more positions that negatively or positively adjust the performance of the team for the remaining time.
"Coddling your players just doesn't help."
I'm sure that most people managers (in all walks) would disagree with that - in some cases it does work and who are we to judge unless we know these people well enough? Personally I'm not a big fan of lambasting your own team in public. If Pinella did it then bully for him, but what works for some isn't necessarily best practise, is it?
by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if there's no hope for Raul and Richie
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 5:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They want to lose.
by JI on Jul 31, 2007 6:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Fuck Fuck
by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 6:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, good god...
Watch what he does. He does enough questionable things there to talk about...
by rtang on Jul 31, 2007 7:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I prefer this McLaren comment....
by msb on Jul 31, 2007 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals trade for Jo-El
i guess they really like our trash.
Steroid and Player A can reunite and bond together, hopefully involving superglue
by dbroncos31 on Jul 31, 2007 8:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
About the Clement for Al Reyes rumor...
Did I say hilarious? I meant hilariously tragic.
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 31, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the always good Larry Stone's take
by G_ on Jul 31, 2007 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one rumor
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pena
by KingCorran on Jul 31, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could also be downgraded to Rob Johnson
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do that.
by JI on Jul 31, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame that TB is flush with OFers
by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
make it a big trade?
i think i'd do that trade right quick.
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clement/Broussard
Yes please...
by tait644 on Jul 31, 2007 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
basically
i think pena upgrades us in two capacities, much as adam jones in left would do, too.
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still find it hilarious
by Phildopip on Jul 31, 2007 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yup
Don't get wrong, I'd do the trade in a second, I just find it funny.
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
man were we wrong, lol.
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think how awesome we'd be
by JI on Jul 31, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell, I'd take 2005 Raul right now
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would easily open up a spot for
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take 2003 Sexson.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine?
DH-Vidro / Ibanez / Sexson / Broussard (Obviously not all of them in the 2 hole)
1B-Pena
3B-Beltre
RF-Guillen
LF-Jones
C-Johjima
2B-Lopez
SS-Betancourt
Thats quite the 1-7...
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd go:
Ichiro
Beltre
Pena
Guillen
Johjima
Ibanez (DH)
Jones
Lopez
Betancourt
vs. Lefties:
Ichiro
Vidro
Beltre
Guillen
Johjima
Sexson
Jones
Lopez
Betancourt
Broussard would be gone. And we'd have a pretty good bench, with lots of ability to mix and match.
by tait644 on Jul 31, 2007 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Beltre in the 2-hole.
by bpdawg24 on Jul 31, 2007 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids McPineiro ---> Cards
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 31, 2007 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh ohs, looks like someone's gonna rebound
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad move.
by AnotherAaron on Jul 31, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Betemit for Proctor???
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MOTHERFUCKER
Why can't I be a fan of ONE baseball team with a decent front office?
Fucking pathetic. FUCK!
by Garces on Jul 31, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DePodesta wouldn't have made that trade.
by Phildopip on Jul 31, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees so won that deal
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not bench
by kva15 on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Betemit has a .231 average, he must suck.
by Mariner John on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll do something, Jeff.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well
i don't think bavasi is feeling forced to act. i don't THINK.
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Bavasi
by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2007 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
are there stats for that too?
by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bavasi gets a -5 in GM Efficiency Rating
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did his dad get?
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to use VORGM
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 31, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way!
by jimmimoose1 on Jul 31, 2007 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
by I'm NOT Corco on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
like Jones for Torres?
Fuck.
Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog
by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sticking with Ibanez and Sexson
What annoyed me to no end was that they insisted on batting Raul 3rd in the lineup, no matter what.
If you're going to run black holes in the lineup position said black hole where it does the least amount of damage...down in the order, and in one spot. It took seven straight losses to figure this out and now we've one four straight since changing the lineup for the better.
Ultimately, I always knew that things were going to come down to how Raul and Richie perfomed while we contend for the playoffs.
by ThundaPC on Jul 31, 2007 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it's MLBTradeRumors, but still...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/nats-relievers-.html
Will a desperate team offer a top flight prospect like an Adam Jones?
fuck that. not a fucking chance
by dbroncos31 on Jul 31, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really starting to doubt anything
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Read this else where
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
T-Minus 2 hours and counting....
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gagne to Boston..
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Phillips reporting
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no way we get through this deadline
by Zack on Jul 31, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, as we cross over the 2 hour mark
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take it,
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the M's deal for Morris
by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for a Sexson - Morris trade
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trade richie for matt
Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog
by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sexson for Morris straight up?
by sammy on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B..Bu..B.B..Bu..But
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not noon yet but alcohol sounds
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm at work
by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KJR
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dave "Softy" Mahler.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His side kick is a fucking moron though.
by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LL needs more feuds with KJR
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you don't
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just turned on KJR
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Working on the wrap-up
90 minutes and change left.
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by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except for Sexson or Ibanez.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a poor morning
by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Phillips just said
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who's more pathetic
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly a text from Ho
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if any of you read
by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baker has lost all my respect
by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also says
by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's lost your respect?
by Dylan on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's ignorant at all.
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the wrong term to use
by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker has his belief systems
Baker didn't really change. He just didn't say anything you strongly disagreed with until recently.
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you really defend
by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure that Reyes
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes is damn fine.
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly,
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes is damned fine?
by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a good reliever.
The problem is that good relievers are almost never worth trading for.
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rate stats were sliding before...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker's not perfect
by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please show me
by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker >>> Finnigan
Baker is a good reporter. His idea of value is skewed in my eyes.
And yes, Reyes is a decent reliever. But like Jeff said above, we have a lot of those already.
by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate
The Brewers have a rookie in the 3 spot of the lineup and a rookie is currently their ace. The Yankees called up Hughes, possibly before he was ready. Oakland has been running out AAA guys all year and done very well despite the injuries. The Red Sox with Gabbard and Lester... the list goes on and on.
by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts on Proctor for Betemit?
by bluemax on Jul 31, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's absolutely correct
by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Dave and Trent
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sad that the Farnsworth/Proctor Dugouts
by Mariner John on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dotel to the Braves is official
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Big improvement for their bullpen
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dotel for Davies...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is?
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is good
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, how the heck did
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hold on let me go call Dayton Moore
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering out loud.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figure it out yourself.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same way he got Soriano for Ho...
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think when they were passing out
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid for KC.
by sammy on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost, but not quite.
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Meanwhile, the Royals have no real use for Dotel. Might as well swap him for someone they have use for.
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually they are kinda right
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fwack.
Damn you, Japan Standard Time...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
T-Minus 1 hour and counting...
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ONE HOUR LEFT!
And Bavasi please don't screw this up.
by GoodKeith on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just saw the name "Engel Beltre"
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 31, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouln't mind Bob Engel and Beltre teaming up
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be as bad as...
by GoodKeith on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit
by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if that's true
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The moderator
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Angel fans...what did you expect?
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not...I'll just assume it's sad
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh I see now
I will still hope it happens. Glaus' avg has quickly gotten to a more comfortable zone lately.
by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG I'd LOL if that trade was for real
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karl Ravich "The O's are done"
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Teix Trade Official
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So is the Dotel deal
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah MAN....Ensberg off the market now
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That ballpark is going to kill him.
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have park factors on me
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/home-run-park-factor-a-new-approach/
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just makes me depressed...
Safeco RF is Coors Field!
Pah.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even the TD has East Coast Bias.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
But why chose 4:00 Eastern time?
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your sig does not suit you.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus fucking Christ.
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be 5 AM east coast, 2 AM west coast
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WYSIWTF.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Damn it.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a start!
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"that is time zones"?
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf
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by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it ends at 1 PM on the west coast
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you get up here at 10:00 in the morning here
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the day is 24 hours long for everyone
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting up at 10:00 in New York is the same
Are you that fucking dumb?
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can assure you...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of the time
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you rather have?
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope that you're trolling
by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop talking/typing
Go ponder this...what came first, the chicken or the egg?
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so the solution is...
Nonsense. A deadline is a deadline, doesn't matter if it's at 4am so long as everyone has a fair crack. Or does everyone actually wake up at 10am on one of the biggest business days of the year in your world?
by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop making sense.
...I mean, feeding the goat.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coach is right
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joke anyways.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, you were serious...
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prove I was serious.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop please.
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should ban him
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
scroll up
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think I meant all that?
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For every stupid post you write
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EVIL! EVIL!
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah? Well how about I start talking
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al Martin looked like a fish.
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gil Meche looks like a fish.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with you?
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's your
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Cruz Jr.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Edmonds
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Edmonds SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olerud sucks
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why he tied the AL record
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're going to stop, right?
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get 'em Sparky
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olerud sucked
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gil Meche looks like he should be in
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think we all know your new career
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would pay good money to watch Jeff do standup
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3pm Flagpole
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if the Meche joke wasn't tired already
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Pena
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix and Sasaki
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your dad?
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sasaki enjoyed his Alcoholic beverages
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't ban him
Also John Olerud was sucked.
by Robert on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna play..
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes you are
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I want to hang this over your head
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need you to tell us to do that.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easier done than said (n/t)
by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about we ignore that you ever say anything?
by Jeff on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting how the thread started going back
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is that fun?
Drinking --> killing pedestrians
Trade deadline --> example of east coast bias
John Olerud --> proof that all players get better after leaving the Mariners
which to choose?!
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't we just freeze the rotation?
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
west coast GMs could also
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crap I screwed it up last post
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, nevermind
But surely now...!
by Matthew on Jul 31, 2007 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagne to Sox Agreed to in principal...
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by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how boring...
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Phillips said something about
by MFAN on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh snap
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just means the A's are involved...
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by IcebreakerX on Jul 31, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait Bavasi
Does he?
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we get cupcakes? hahaha
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bavasi in a 3-way
I know, horrible imagery there.
by hcoguy on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DP?
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont include the bike in the deal!
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced
by Trent on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Phillips
by G_ on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was saying that
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re-watch the episode
ding-ding-ding
by G_ on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU'RE NOT GIVING AWAY
by bpdawg24 on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOOCHIE MAMA!
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I dislike Bavasi
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve just got the Zambranos confused
by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I have extreme disdain
by rfloh on Jul 31, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well those were both Woody Woodward
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both Randy Johnson trades were good.
by Mariner John on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that whenever GMs call one another
by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Martin Landau's character from Entourage
by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats right
by phil333 on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it like the Comcast Housemates ad?
by Shawk on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
baseballchannel.tv
by MarkE on Jul 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So anything flying around
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mariners interested in Loeretta.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MATEO TO THE PHILLIES
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MATEO'S GONE!
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they love them some wife beaters in Philly
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love me some Philadelphia...
by darrylzero on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? Where? Who? How?
by Librocrat on Jul 31, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Gillick land.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welll.......
by rtang on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the end nears....
by Dollar97 on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gillick Strikes again
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Gagne to the Red Sox
by jtopps on Jul 31, 2007 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN chat:
Jonah Keri: (3:48 PM ET ) Julio Mateo is not a good pitcher. Phils could've done better.
LOL
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Did they get anyone?
by Librocrat on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that I haven't found yet
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
26 year old AA hitting SS
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got nothing for him
by Librocrat on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
addition by subtraction
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the DIAMOND JAXX are thrilled
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, in that park too...
by darrylzero on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didnt get anything for Mateo
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially with what RP are going for!
by kentroyals5 on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Mateo
hostage???
by msb on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The hostage situation:
M's: We're not giving him up easily. We want a WHOLE package of Jolly Ranchers. A grilled cheese. And if you want to be generous a professional baseball player.
MLB Gm's: We've deliberated and the Phillies will take him. (Other gms snicker)
by andyboi on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I approve of this deadline deal!
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
White haired guy on ESPN2
Seattle and Cleveland do not exist.
by Katal LM on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notre Dame will always be a good team
by andyboi on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahaha
by bluemax on Jul 31, 2007 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notre Dame Football
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong answer
by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they lose 121 games next year.
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh shit....
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 31, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Winner of the TD? US!
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YES. NO MORE WIFE VULTURE.
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bavasi is an Idiot!
WE ARE SCREWED!!
Last place here we come!!!!
by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep - season is over..
by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See yeah vulture.
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe we should donate that card to the phillies
by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO IMPENDING PROSPECT SELL OF DOOM!
by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2007 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no stupid trades
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hot damn, Bavasi didn't do anything stupid!
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bavasi is an idiot for not being an idiot!
Hello last place, we're back home again!
by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2007 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Bavasi
by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No trades!!!!! Woohoo!!!
by Zack on Jul 31, 2007 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now call up Adam Jones!
by nfreakct on Jul 31, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a good thing......
by gblady on Jul 31, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just not getting the sarcasm
by Paseman on Jul 31, 2007 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was not a good guy, and not much of a pitcher
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prophetic Jeff
Swallow... don't go there, but it would explain how he lasted as long as he did
Seagull... waits until near the end of the game, then comes in and shits all over the field
Generic broken winged...?
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Reitsma is a bird
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Hicks offered Teixerira a 8 year
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
idiot
Also, is Scott Boras the most annoying motherfucker or what. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kid.
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When do rosters expand?
by SethGrandpa on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ack...so far away...
by SethGrandpa on Jul 31, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, so much for Sexson leaving.
by eknpdx on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow that deal makes no sense to me.
by SethGrandpa on Jul 31, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baffling
by darrylzero on Jul 31, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To bolster their rotation
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I understand the happiness
Sure we didn't trade any of our top prospects, but we still have the dead weight of Sexson and Ibanez and Ho-Ram, so while its good that Jones and Wlad are still in the organization, this team didn't do anything to make the chances of the post season any better.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who was available that was better
by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know who was available
matter of fact it was something everyone used to blow a gasket over when we were in the middle of that hot streak in the early 2000's.
Now we're elated by not making deadline moves to improve the club?
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Can you assure us
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No More then you can
I'm not saying we needed to gut the farm system for a mediocre player... heck I'm not even saying there was a deal that would have made sense to improve the club.
But doing nothing and being happy about doesn't make sense either, when your club has the chance to make the playoffs but as quite a few obvious flaws to it.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what could we have gotten?
You also have to think of marginal utility. How much better does Al Reyes make us? Or Matt Morris? Or Mark Loretta? How many extra ballgames does one of those guys win you? Do these guys help you beyond this season? Will you have to eat a large contract in subsequent years, for a guy who may go from helping you now (maybe) to being a Raul-like liability in a year or two? And is that worth punting a #2 or #3 prospect, or any key prospect that likely covers a need in 1-2 years?
You have to think a little deeper about this stuff. Ye,s the M's have oles. That doesn't mean a trade would have necessarily filled them, or done so without creating new holes, if not now then in the future.
by Gomez on Jul 31, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have to think
And for this team, when its making a push, to do absolutely nothing just leaves everything at status quo like it was back in the day when Lou was here and we were all complaining about Stand Pat not doing diddly squat to push this team to the playoffs.
Would someone like Reyes have helped this team win a few extra ballgames? We'll never know because nothing happened to bring in any talent. Even if they brought him in and he'd helped put one more win in the win column vs. the status quo could have meant the differnece between the playoffs or not.
Again, I don't know what was available and what was being asked for, just as much as anyone else doesn't know that we overpaid, the fact is, we did nothing, so we don't know what we could have had and what we would have paid for it, other then the rumors that were out there.
The fact is, this year's team is no different now, and has no better chance of reaching the playoffs then it did yesterday or last month.
Not trading a bunch for very little is something to be happy about.... doing absolutely nothing is not something to be happy about.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 31, 2007 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case
Then you should be ecstatic that the M's did nothing. There were no good rent-a-players available, and the only M's players with trade value are guys I wouldn't want to trade during a pennant race - which, oddly enough, we're in.
Sometimes, nothing's as good as something.
by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, care about this season
We already know that Reyes would have been redundant and completely unnecessary. Loretta? Was he going to help us at all? Not likely. Unless we were somehow going to get someone like Dunn, there just wasn't anybody worth having.
As for the team not being better than yesterday, I don't really care. If you add a Reyes or a Loretta, you're still not any better than you were yesterday, and you've given up a chip that may help you in the future.
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by Addicted to Quack on Jul 31, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say...
by pdb on Jul 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all deadlines are created equal.
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you honestly think anybody wants Sexson
And there just wasn't anybody out there worth getting that made sense.
by Goose on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one was taking Sexson, IbaƱez or HoRam
There just wasn't a good deal to be made that didn't involve a disproportionately high sacrifice. I for one am glad the M's didn't bother.
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