7/21: Open Game Thread

Ichiro CF Stairs LF Vidro DH Overbay 1B Ibanez LF Rios RF Guillen RF Glaus 3B Beltre 3B Wells CF Sexson 1B Thomas DH Lopez 2B Hill 2B Burke C Zaun C Betancourt SS Clayton SS ---------- ----------
Weaver (2-7, 6.82) Towers (4-6, 5.40)
Since it's 2:15 and I don't have anything to say and I'm only posting this because I know I won't be awake until seconds before the first pitch, I'll just use this space to copy and paste a little Mariner content from The Brushback (full article linked).
SEATTLE--The Seattle Mariners announced Monday that former manager Mike Hargrove will return to the bench and take the reigns for the rest of the 2007 season and beyond. The announcement startled rightfielder Ichiro, who recently signed a five-year extension after learning that Hargrove, with whom he often had a contentious relationship, had resigned.
LET'S GO MARINERS!!
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Bah, I hate really early games.
holy shit bavasi.
why are you such an idiot
nevermind
i did the same thing
I love these sites
I proposed in a game thread a few days ago
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I love it
YYYYAAAAAAAWWWwwwwnnnnnnnnn....
I just wish her flight would've been a little earlier so I could've justified staying up until my normal time and then coming home and sleeping all morning...
Heh. It's just past 4:20. Someone check on Weaver.
Thats awesome! Well done!
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
And now its my desktop background
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Cheers.
by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
that's pretty awesome
Yeah its Ledger.
by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
same here
None of that matters
by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 21, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Annnd right on cue,
by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's why I hate Towers
PITCHERS SHOULD NOT HAVE SINGLE DIGIT NUMBERS.
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 8:48 AM PDT reply actions
Just curious..
by areacode206 on Jul 21, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it's extremely rare for an MLB
Towers doesn't actually bother me, I just think it's funny.
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't spell Cupcakes (Y) Blanton without
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Learn something everyday..
And I see that Matt Young is on the list...I still have his autograph from way back when..
by areacode206 on Jul 21, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, ESPN gives the M's
From their website's baseball power rankings:
"Winning breeds confidence, and confidence breeds winning. The Mariners have the look of a serious contender."
Thanks, ESPN. I'm glad that you've noticed that a 54-39 team has "the look of a serious contender."
I'm excited
You need TOR w/ Firefox plugin
Not working for me.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
just find a feed online
i.e. sopcast
its funny
I don't see it available.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
try this
click baseball on the left or mlb whatever
and go down and find the m's bluejays
i used the first one
btw
awesome feeds for those games
I tried to use it during hockey season
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Good looking out.
by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
bad thing about it though
so dont rely on it too much
good for stupid blackout rules and football season really
if you have sopcast downloaded
wont work in the web program i dont think
I have it downloaded
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I use this
Install it to a thumb drive and your good to go no matter where you may be
Matt Stairs hitting leadoff?
by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 9:58 AM PDT reply actions
CBC
Hey guys
Mariners won and I hope they win again today. I have to go get groceries because I'm out of just about everything.
Ummm so why the fuck am I blacked out
by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 10:13 AM PDT reply actions
It might make a little bit of sense if they were
by bpdawg24 on Jul 21, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
they hate all baseball fans
cuz thats all they ever show
I thought this was going to be a 4 hour game
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:15 AM PDT reply actions
Do broadcasters have an old scouting report
come on Josh Towers sucks
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
oh god what a bunch of bullshit
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
HAHAHA
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
CBC, channel 99 on comcast cable
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
proxy, mlb.tv
You can listen to it if you have MLB.tv
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
How do I do that?
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
i downloaded a program called JAP
I scrolled up and got it
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
hey Jeff
Yeah I did, thanks.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Not my fault people think I'm fun to talk to
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
so basically
Got people fooled by the shiny meaningless stuff? :)
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
You hacktastic fools!!
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
Yay for skipping a Ho-Ram start
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
Skipping?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Booooooo
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He didn't skip
I've always wondered
Sweet got the Proxy working
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions
The best part is that they replayed it
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
the announcers seemed kind of surprised
I stayed around
WTF.
HIT THE DAMN BALL.
Yep, still dreaming
Vidro beats out throw
Yep
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
If we're going to do something with Richie
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I have more
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
If Raul is battling some injury
What it comes down to is we can't really afford to have him doing this in the middle of the lineup with the team in the hunt. Sit him for a little while and let him prove himself in spot starts and batting practice before entrusting him with an everyday job again.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
We get it, announcers
Guess who still sucks
Robert is right
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 10:55 AM PDT reply actions
Great job by Weaver so far
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
umpire out there
Weaver vs. Towers
Wally Backman's Club
Man
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
56 pitches
Good grief. I know its a beautiful day in Toronto, guys, but could you at least play baseball for a couple of hours?
For what it's worth
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
haha, i love dave sims
Its the only entertaining thing in this game
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Weaver getting no run support
burke will start a good rally next inning
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
And turbo will kill said rally
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
well he does have our only hit today...
Stop upper cutting the ball
FSN not working for me
OH FUCK RAUL IS UP
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions
Now batting
here we go...
Wild pitch?
Fuck you Vernon Wells
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
Vernon Well came out of the closet
Raul hits a ball hard
Since 2002
what's the weather like
Rain followed by rain
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder
Adrian K's on an outside slider
That was a terrible AB
At least Towers' pitch count is getting up there..
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions
yeah but theyll put Janssen in in the 8th
Why isn't Broussard playing?
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions
Though outside of the last series against us
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions
defense wins championships
Wooooooooo Lopey
Time for Burke's 1st FB
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions
now would be a good time
Joh to pinch hit?
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions
PH?
Eh. I can see both sides
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
still the right call
by Babar @ Lookout Landing on Jul 21, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions
To hell with that implosion haha
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
Memo to Banner Bank:
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
Hey at least that pop-out got out of the infield
Willie is a better option
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
that was our last chance for runs...
Are we really 4 outs away from getting shut out
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
3
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe this will help wake somebody up
Now watch Raul hit a game tying HR
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions
If by Home-Run, You Mean
by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Jul 21, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This is all rauls fault
he also flied out in a crucial situation
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Which Hitters are Available?
by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Jul 21, 2007 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
Wow I wake up and I expect a score of 8-7
We can't get anything of Josh friggin' Towers?
Well, at least Jose and Adrian are hitting in the ninth. I have faith in those 2.
by WeeJoe on Jul 21, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions
Can't we put Ellison in for defense
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
9th inning
An absolute GEM by Weaver!
If we lose it will be the most irritating loss of the season for me.
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
We are wasting an awesome start
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
If we don't score here..
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
What's the time limit on subbing?
Hed need to fly an f-18 up to make it
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
last hacks...
raul, try not to fuck up too bad
Anyone watching the game..
by WeeJoe on Jul 21, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
Lucky Weaver is Good Weaver
2 run homer
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
Raul looks like an insect
Nice K by the way, get DFA'd
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions
Go somewhere else and play baseball RAUL
by TheMarinator on Jul 21, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions
Damn that seemed a little low
FUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUU
Ha
by IrishMariner on Jul 21, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so glad Raul is Mr. Mariner.
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions
Could this be the point when
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions
Probably better that you just take your outs
Is there a reason why Sopcast fucking crashes like this?
It didnt want you to watch
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Ibanez disagrees
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If there was ever a game that convinced Bavasi
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
Wasn't it Accardo that Guillen homered off of
Jesus christ swing the bat
by anky on Jul 21, 2007 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
Ughhhhhhhhhh
Look at the bright side
The F.O won't see it that way.
how?
This is what drives me nuts about the Adam Jones love.... like he's suddenly going to make everyone else 10 x's better when he comes up.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not a savior
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand that...
but how exactly is this game proof positive that he needs to be here? That's the same thing as saying that if he'd been here, the M's would have won. That's just total homerism for Jones, who despite all his talents has his own flaws.
I have no problem bringing him up and kicking a useless Ellison to the curb and giving Jones as much playing time as possible, unless he struggles mightily when he comes up.
But putting expectations on him, that he's going to come up and make a night and day difference to what we have.....
well I can't wait till he struggles in important situations in close games to hear what you guys say about him....
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I dunno how this game is proof positive.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the month of July
Before the all-star break Raul: .275 .324 .426 .750
Since the all-star break:
148 .200 .185 .385
he's in a slump that is for sure.... but while he wasn't an all-star in the first half, he was still quite productive, and frankly more productive offensively then I think Jones will be when he does come up... I don't think Jones is going to be that productive until next year, when he is able to adjust to the better quality pitching.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all that one game, though.
Jones can match that, and I have every confidence that he'll blow Raul's defense out of the water, too. He's an upgrade. If Raul wants to earn a spot in the lineup, he ought to have to prove it in practice or pinch-hit opportunities.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
but you are just taking a step sideways in that, and making your team even more right handed then it currently is, while playing in a park that favors left handed hitters.... so you're dumping one of the 3 starters that hits for an .800 ops against right handed pitchers, in favor of another right handed hitter.
again, I'm not saying Raul isn't struggling, and I'm not saying Jones isn't better defensively. I'm saying.. if this team wants to make the playoffs... Jones replacing Raul full time ain't going to help the offense, but it will help the defense.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually think he *is* the biggest problem.
Yeah, Raul's left-handed, and that's good for Safeco. But at some point the handedness advantage goes away when the talent difference is so wide.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This is where I disagree.
The majority of the team's at-bats are vs. right handed pitching.
822 AB's vs. LHP
2419 AB's vs. RHP
Guillen -
.242 .310 .373 .683 vs. RHP
.415 .500 .683 1.183 vs. LHP
Johjima -
.251 .289 .384 .672 vs. RHP
.375 .420 .656 1.077 vs. LHP
Betancourt -
.272 .295 .350 .645 vs. RHP
.316 .354 .474 .827 VS. LHP
Raul
.278 .342 .463 .805 vs. RHP
.235 .248 .284 .532 vs. LHP
If you are going to make a change with another rhb vs. rhp and have it positively affect the club, then Guillen should be replaced vs. RHP by Jones, and Ibanez only vs. LHP.
At the same time, Johjima is hurting the club big time in the majority of his at bats, Clement would be a massive improvement over Joh especially since he is a left handed bat.
And Betancourt vs. RHP is pretty horrible as well.
You can look at the overall numbers and say one thing, but when you break it down, Guillen is having a much more negative impact on the offense then Ibanez is based on the breakdown's of RHP vs. LHP. Guillen is flukishly effective right now against LHP and downright horrible the majority of the time.
All of those players have almost twice as many at-bats vs. RHP as they do vs. LHP.
To make things most effective for the team offensively, you'd want Jones replacing Guillen vs. RHP and replacing Raul vs. LHP.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna keep going back to this though
Ideally, I do agree with you that the best solution would be a three-man rotation between Jones, Ibanez, and Guillen. But I think the team has demonstrated that it has no grasp of platoon splits at all, so with that in mind, we stand to gain the most by replacing Ibanez than by replacing anyone else. It's one of those theory vs. reality things where we wish the reality was a little better optimized.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
well
I know Raul is not a fan favorite, he's one of those quiet guys that doesn't cause trouble, doesn't hit for a ton of power, and doesn't posses a cannon arm. Basically he's vanilla when everyone wants strawberry.
That however doesn't really mean he's a bad player, just not the favorite like someone like Guillen. Which, other then obliterating lhp, I don't understand why so many are going crazy over him. Majority of the time he's a detriment offensively. I have more confidence in Raul getting better in the second half vs. RHP then I do of Guillen getting better vs. them.
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Guillen's only a fan favorite here
Raul is a bad player. He doesn't get on base, he doesn't hit for power, and he doesn't play defense. He's not a complete black hole against right-handed pitchers, but that's his only plus, and it's barely even significant. I really want to believe that he can recover some of his 2006 before it's too late, but at this point I just don't see any sign of that happening. Maybe after he gets a break to rest his aching body, but even then you're talking about replacing him for at least a few weeks.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Historically Guillen has hit RHP
by JI on Jul 21, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
by seattlesundevil on Jul 21, 2007 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree...
Besides, if not having to play the field makes Rauuuul's body feel better, maybe he'll hit better. AJ is already better than Vidro, so its two offensive upgrades and one defensive one. Granted it doesn't fix everything, but it is an upgrade.
No he won't be Superman
Every loss means the Mariners are a little less likely to use the excuse, "this team is winning, we don't want to change anything"
It's been painfully clear for awhile
No, Jones probably won't come up until Raul finds a way to not live anymore.
by BrettJMiller on Jul 21, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, seriously
hey, it didn't hurt our pythag!!
you know
I don't watch every inning of every game, but....
Weirdly, I keep turning on and noticing that Sexson is on first with a walk. Over the last 7 games he has a .476 OBP.
by mobvok on Jul 21, 2007 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
I feel kinda sorry for Weaver.
Maybe they're paying him back for the early part of the season?
You mean early in the season
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 21, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Vidro got two hits today right?
because
The Jays at least have an excuse
Halladay tomorrow against Felix
Also, if your in Beltre's shoes in the 9th
If anything
generally, I would to
newsflash folks .750/.750/.750 is a good line.
This is why
I can't wait to see the highlight on that one
Well that doesn't sound too good
Sammy Sosa left game due to an injured head.
where's that pic of his helmet shattering?
and Jones
Clement rips a triple to deep center, and the Rainiers lead 1-0
question
wasn't planned
by MfaninAlaska on Jul 21, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
considering the angels lost by 3
fsn showing the beavers game
boo, could really go for some tacoma tv action
Don't look now,
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jul 21, 2007 9:33 PM PDT reply actions

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