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39-33, Recap

 A lot of times when a series draws a ton of attention and humongous crowds, you hear that there's a 'playoff atmosphere.' I wouldn't go that far - the Reds are terrible and I don't think people at Safeco remember what the playoffs look like - but there was an undeniable buzz at the ballpark this weekend that isn't usually there. As it happens, of course, the buzz was mainly centered around a player on the other team, but any time you're able to cram 46,000 people into a stadium, you're going to have a spirited environment, regardless of why they're there. I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the years that Safeco was packed on a nightly basis. Not even necessarily because those teams were better; vocal crowds just make the game more enjoyable.

This particular vocal crowd got what it came for in the first, when Griffey uncharacteristically went the other way for a characteristic home run. There was a moment of uncertainty as Willie Ballgame tracked the ball in left-center and leaped to make a catch, and when he came down looking like he'd caught it the crowd came as close as it ever has to booing his ass. As he took a few steps back to his position, though, it became apparent that his glove was empty, so the crowd roared in apostatic approval and Griffey jogged around the bases, satisfied with his demonstration that all the hustle in the world is no match for raw, unadulterated talent. I'm still not entirely comfortable with the idea of standing ovations for opposing players' success, but given a choice between either (A) the fallout after a Griffey longball or (B) the fallout after a Willie Ballgame run-saving catch, I take A every time. Good on you, Kid.

I think on some level we all kind of wanted Griffey to go deep at least once, so while the timing could've been better, at least now it was out of the way, and we could go ahead with trying to win the game without further distraction. The only trouble was, Griffey didn't exactly see things the same way. In the bottom of the second he made a diving catch to rob Adrian Beltre of a single, and for good measure threw to first to double up Ben Broussard. A few minutes later, he dropped a single of his own into right to put men on the corners. And two innings after that, he hit an absolute no-doubter deep into the right field bleachers to give the Reds a 2-0 lead in a game where runs would evidently be hard to come by. By that point it was like he was just showing off, and even the people who were happy for him in the stands had to be nervously glancing back and forth and clapping a little slower than they did the first time. The whole thing was kind of like running into your first kiss and her deadbeat boyfriend at the mall. At first it's nice to see her and you're glad she still looks good, but before long you get uncomfortable when they start doing it wheelbarrow style on the sidewalk. Just a totally unnecessary exploitation of your warm hospitality.

It was something of a miracle that the game stayed so low-scoring as long as it did. It was still 2-0 Reds after five and a half despite 15 total baserunners, thanks to some absolutely godawful situational hitting. For the Reds' part, they put men on the corners in the second, third, and sixth, getting ample opportunity to blow the game open, but each time Miguel Batista was able to wriggle off the hook. This is nothing new; Batista's allowed 1.5 baserunners per inning over his entire career, and stands at 1.65 so far in 2007. He's just been good enough to limit opponents to a .271 average with men in scoring position, when .281 probably would've knocked him out of the league a few years ago. Maybe this is where Batista's remarkable intellect pays off. Or maybe it's happenstance. I prefer intellect.

Meanwhile, the Mariners had chosen a completely different way of screwing themselves. In the first, they couldn't so much as advance Ichiro to second after a leadoff single. In the second, Broussard was caught way too far off first when Griffey made his diving catch. In the third, Willie was caught stealing. In the fourth, Beltre took one out of the Reds' book and grounded out with men on the corners. And in the fifth, an attempted hit-and-run with Jamie Burke on base failed in spectacular fashion when Willie swung through a belt-high 87mph fastball and left Burke out to dry. Throw in two more Betancourt infield pop-ups - giving him four in six at bats - and what you had was even more frustrating than those games where the Mariners don't do a thing. They say it's better to have loved and lost, but if loving and losing is failing to convert baserunners into runs because you're equal parts incompetent and weak, I'd much rather spend my whole life alone. Bronson Arroyo looked like crap and you just knew deep down that we weren't going to make him pay in the least.

Thank goodness for the sixth. Even then it was like pulling teeth - after getting the first two men on base, we wound up with men on second and third with two down thanks to a sac bunt and fielder's choice. Mostly lost in the pleasant response to Vidro's bunt was the fact that Vidro is our #3 hitter and DH. We went out of our way to trade for this man to be a cog in our lineup, and now not only is Mike Hargrove asking him to bunt in run-scoring situations, but we're actually happy about it. Among designated hitters with at least as many plate appearances as team games played, Vidro ranks first in sac bunts, first in double plays, and 12th (out of 14) in OPS. Seriously, how much longer can this go on? I have to think that half of the reason Griffey looks so appealing right now is because our current DH would make a below-average offensive middle infielder. Adam. Jones. Needs. To. Play.

Arroyo wasn't out of the woods yet, as Ben Broussard still stood between him and a sixth shutout inning. Now, I have to admit right now that I'm a way bigger Ben Broussard fan than I should be, since he double-science-majored in college (biology/chemistry) and narrowly beat my GPA with a 3.5. That's awesome on its own. But he's also a pretty good hitter, and while I concede that he swings through a lot of pitches, it seems like almost everything he hits is on a line. His style is a good fit for the ballpark. Arroyo fell behind 3-1, but while he fooled Broussard with a good breaking ball on the next pitch, the sixth was a fastball over the inner half that Broussard turned on and mashed into right-center for a ground-rule double. The game was tied, and Broussard's big dorky cracker smile stood contentedly at second base. Even if you're hesitant to call on Adam Jones, at the very least can't you just give Broussard a little more of a chance? He won't make the left field defense problem any better, but at least he gives you the power that your DH left behind eight years ago.

With a brand new ballgame on hand, Eric O'Flaherty came out of the bullpen and made another strong case for earning some high-leverage innings with a 1-2-3 against the top of the Cincinnati order. The point was emphatically driven home with a phenomenal three-pitch sequence to Griffey to end it - a slider and two fastballs put in the exact same place on the low-outside corner. O'Flaherty couldn't have drawn the sequence up any better. All three were called strikes, and Griffey's homecoming ended with a whimper. Not that he's going to get any sympathy from me after the game he'd already had.

The bottom of the seventh is probably going to go down as one of the more fun half-innings of the season, and while I know I'm not going to make any friends with this statement, maybe the Angels are on to something, because this one was right out of their playbook. Instead of popping up to the infield, Betancourt did that other thing he does and smacked a single into left. With the ball dropping pretty shallow and Dunn taking his sweet time to get there, though, Yuni seized the opportunity to take second with a leadoff hustle double. To this day I still can't figure out how a guy with that much footspeed can be such a shitty basestealer. Jamie Burke followed that with a should-be sac bunt, but instead of going for the easy out Arroyo picked it up and threw to third. I think this may be the manifestation of a broader life philosophy by which Arroyo never takes the easy road. It would be easy to gain some weight. It would be easy to get an acceptable haircut. It would be easy to drink juice instead of bongwater. But Bronson's his own man, and he does what he wants. Anyway, a terrific slide to the back of the bag helped Betancourt avoid the tag, and suddenly there were men on the corners with nobody out.

With Willie Ballgame at the plate, everyone knew what Hargrove had to do. And he did it. An absolutely flawless suicide squeeze put the Mariners in the lead, and Willie beat the throw to first base for good measure. Now, I'm rarely a big fan of bunting a guy from first to second or from second to third, but that's because there are no guarantees of that run ever scoring, and you're generally better off swinging away. The suicide squeeze, however, is at the same time both my favorite and the most underutilized strategy in baseball. As long as you have a reasonable bunter at the plate, it's practically an automatic run, and an exciting one on top of that. Why so few managers seem willing to do it as often as I want them to is beyond me. Even when a defense sees it coming, it's borderline impossible to prevent. When there's a man on third and fewer than two outs, and Willie's at the plate, by all means, bunt away, and keep doing it until the opposing team's manager brings his infield in shallow enough that Willie can actually hit it over their heads.

With two on and none out again, Ichiro laid down the third consecutive bunt of the inning, a sacrifice that I think was meant as an attempted hit. That brought up Jose Lopez with men on second and third, but as much as I wanted to see the second squeeze of the inning, Hargrove let him swing away, and he popped out to the catcher. You see what happens when you don't squeeze? You fail. I can absolutely guarantee you that having Lopez squeeze right there would've sent the stadium into a God damn frenzy if it worked. Squeeze plays and home runs tend to elicit a similar response (which is weird, considering they're basically opposites), and that would've been incredible. Alas, it wasn't to be, and the Mariners wouldn't score again in the inning.

Still, they carried a 3-2 lead into the eighth, and with Sherrill coming out of the bullpen with JJ behind him, the game was already over. The Reds tried to rally, but Sherrill got a big strikeout of Josh Hamilton with a man on second before JJ came in for another multi-inning save. He wasn't at his best in terms of command, but the velocity was there and so was the splitter, and before too long Richie Sexson was catching a toss from second base for the final out. Griffey was originally due up fifth in the inning, but you had to know it wouldn't get that far, and I think Griffey did too since he waved to the fans in right field before running in after the eighth. I suppose in retrospect a JJ/Griffey matchup with the game on the line would've been pretty intense, but I don't know how well people would've responded to whatever result might've come out of that at bat.

So here the Mariners sit, a solid 39-33 (88-win pace) but still a step below the other playoff hopefuls. They blew their chance to make up some ground with that nightmare of a losing streak, but what's done is done, and no self-respecting .500+ ballclub has ever written off a season in June. The Red Sox come to town tomorrow, and while they currently look like the WS favorites, enough people are going to be there that having a strong series on the heels of all this weekend attention could really start to get the city excited. The man being entrusted to get us off on the right foot is Jeff Weaver oh shit no not again

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Oh, and yeah
the fries thing was awesome. This better continue.

by Jeff on Jun 25, 2007 12:13 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.
After last night's whole deal, some lady came to the game today with a sign saying (paraphrased) "HEY BLOWERS HOW ABOUT SOME FRIES" and he donated some more to the cause.

This has potential. We'll see if it carries over into the smaller crowds.

by Jeff on Jun 25, 2007 12:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going tuesday night.
I think I will be making my first sign.

by mark s on Jun 25, 2007 8:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need to make a LL shirt that says
"How about some fries Blow?"
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 25, 2007 12:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm sorry...
I totally missed the whole fries thing.  Could someone give me a quick recap?  It'd be much appreciated.

by SethGrandpa on Jun 25, 2007 1:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Origins
From what I gathered watching last night's game, during Saturday night's match some guy in the stands went to catch/grab a foul ball but in the process lost the fries he was holding in his hands to the gods of the warning track.

Blowers took sympathy on him and paid for some FSN lady (I'm probably doing her a complete disservice by not knowing her name, but it could be anyone for all I know, sorry) to skip down the aisle and present him with a new tray of fries.

So then midway through Sunday afternoon's encounter the cameras caught this other lady with a sign requesting free fries and they duly obliged.

So, give it a week or so and there'll doubtless be Blowers' Free Fries Friday Blowout (sponsored by Geiko) once a week or something equally daft.

P3 W1 L2 (.333)

by MarkE on Jun 25, 2007 1:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, Craig Biggio now 4 hits away from 3000.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 25, 2007 12:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or, more accurately
4 more hits until Burke and Loretta play every day.
No, sir, they're saying Boo-vasi.

by Mariner John on Jun 25, 2007 2:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha heh
I remember a long while ago when the White Sox kept an awful Carlton Fisk in the lineup until he set some sort of record... and they released him right after that game.

by Gomez on Jun 25, 2007 9:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course
the Astros will never release Biggio, heck, they might not even bench him. After all he's probably the greatest player in their franchise's history.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 25, 2007 9:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm...
Nolan Ryan says 'hello!'

:-)

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 25, 2007 12:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't see Bagwell
getting almost 3000 hits.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 25, 2007 1:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm.
Neither did Edgar.  Were Biggio on the Mariners, I'd still place Edgar ahead of Biggio on the list of all-time greatest Mariners...
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 25, 2007 2:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...
But singles are for pussies.  Just ask Sexson.

Bagwell/Biggio
OPS+  150/113
RC   1715/1629
RC/27  7.87/5.44

Granted Bagwell played 1B and Biggio spent his time at a lot tougher positions.  Bagwell is the better hitter but Biggio may be the better player.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 25, 2007 3:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A blast from the past
So I'm browsing around other teams blogs because the retarded karaoke at work once again drove away all our customers, even though we told them that nobody gives a fucking shit about the retarded American Idol besides morons and hicks who think that can sing country. But noooo Rick and Linda don't listen to the rest of us because we don't fucking matter and....

Uh anyways, check out the White Sox site. Specifically Cheat's latest post. Sounds an awful lot like 2004 for us.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 25, 2007 2:30 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gotta feel for those guys
To go from World Series champs to the junk heap in less than two years.  Ouch.

by ThundaPC on Jun 25, 2007 4:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno whats worse
A hick, or a show thats basically a popularity contest and volunteers preteens to grow into the evolving mold of celebrity worship.

Sports may be similar in a way. But sports rock.

Oh, and racing is not a sport, hicks! Dont argue, youll never convince me otherwise, it only offends me as an athlete.

by Slica on Jun 25, 2007 6:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah
Regarding the White Sox.

Isn't there an unwritten law saying a fanbase cant complain about their team until X years went by since their last WS?

Seriously, theyll be ok. Even as we speak, the White Sox are busy preparing to rip off the Mets (see thread).

by Slica on Jun 25, 2007 6:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Hope Not
because it would be unfair as hell to impose any sort of moratorium on complaints about the Raiders after their Super Bowl year. Some teams just deserve it. Speaking of which, do you think the Cardinals will repeat? Didn't think so.

by kva15 on Jun 25, 2007 1:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah know, I used to say that Golf and Racing
were not sports. Because they don't require a person to be any sort of athlete to do them.

Then I played a full round of golf one day. Without a cart.

Yeah, walking up and down huge hills and around acres and acres of land all day long takes some doing. So I quickly changed my mind and developed a new appreciation for golfers.

I haven't drove a race car yet. So I'm keeping my mouth shut until I do otherwise.

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 25, 2007 7:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey hey hey...
Ive always seen Golf as a sport. Sadly, Tennis gets mocked the most, which annoys me. Tennis could quite possibly be the toughest sport to play.

When it comes to racing, its the car doing everything, youre just driving. I know they have to be in relatively decent shape because its hot ont he track and they sweat alot...but controlling a vehicle to do everything (not to mention drive in circles)...by that logic playing a video game is technically a sport. If the competition aspect makes it a sport...well American Idol should show on ESPN soon, too.

If anyone is offended, its not my intention. Just threw it out there. No use in explaining to me otherwise though, ive heard everything and ill never be convinced.

Im an angry athlete the last few weeks and since I have no medical insurance due to being poor, im currently sitting here with a swollen, deformed arm that has a dent in it. Thats what you get at football practice when you give 100%. Good times. : )

by Slica on Jun 25, 2007 7:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My brother in law races Porsches
it's tough. He does endurance races though, so its not the same as, say, drag racing, which I think is completely retarded.
But driving at ful tilt three hours at a time four times over 24 hours? yeah, that's tough.

by Mere Tantalisers on Jun 25, 2007 7:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be a sport, I think you have to
make your rulebook freely available to the public.  After all, if I'm not allowed to read the rules that govern your "sport", how can you expect to attract me as a fan?

Like MLB.  MLB's rules - arcane as they are - are freely available at MLB.com.

The NFL's rules are not freely available; you have to buy the NFL rules if you want to read them.  So they at least partly fail.

NASCAR refuses to make their rules available at all.  I know this because I asked them.  I got a response from NASCAR.com this morning.  If you want to learn more about NASCAR, you can't.  Sorry.  How dumb is that?  Formula One's rules are freely available (and mind-bogglingly complex), so it might be a sport, but NASCAR has just ranked itself up there with professional wrestling as some sort of exhibition.

by Llewdor on Jun 25, 2007 9:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and bowling, too
My measure was that any activity that people smoke while they are doing it is not a sport. That also knocks out pool, fishing, and sex. I might make an allowance for sex, though.

by kva15 on Jun 25, 2007 1:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bowling as a league may not be a sport
but a full scale bowling tournament I think is. Trouble is, most aren't full scale.

I shoot tournaments with six games of qualifying, and if you make that then you get six more games for the finals. Once you get into the ten-to-twelve game range, it becomes a sport, but I'll concede it's not a sport up until then.

How about this: if you can bet money on it, it's a sport? :-P

by tworsandtwols on Jun 25, 2007 1:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can bet on poker.
Is that a sport?
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 25, 2007 1:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So then...
the definition of a "Sport" is anything that ESPN can fill airtime with and dipwads will sit there braindead to watch? Guess that explains dog shows as a sport.

by kva15 on Jun 25, 2007 2:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was mostly joking
Since coming here and other blogs, ESPN lost a lot of credibility with me, and quickly. Especially those shows that are all about the sports version of the talking heads.

by tworsandtwols on Jun 25, 2007 3:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Until I've tried something at a high level,
I try not to judge if it's a "sport" or not.

I know that after walking and playing 18 holes, I am sore the next day.

And I know that my arms were absolutely burning after an hour straight of racing go-karts, so I can barely imagine what it must be like to go 500 miles in a NASCAR, Indy Car or F1 car.

I know after bowling 10 straight games in a day My wrist, thumb and legs get tired.

None of this was at a professional level, and I'm in fairly good shape (although I'm not a big guy), so I can only imagine the condition the professionals who do these things day-in day-out must have to be in.

As for smoking making it not a sport, talk to some of the baseball players who used to smoke in the dugout, or NFL players who used to smoke on the sidelines.

This place has a sign hangin' over the urinal that says, "Don't eat the big white mint".

by Thingray on Jun 25, 2007 2:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holding a bucket of water out
at arms length for an extended period of time is really hard. is that a sport?

by Matthew on Jun 25, 2007 3:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

World's Strongest Man competition is kind of
like that. I'm honestly not sure if that makes it a sport...

The definition of the word is:

"Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively."

So I suppose if you set up rules for the International Water Bucket Holding League, by definition, it would be a sport?

This place has a sign hangin' over the urinal that says, "Don't eat the big white mint".

by Thingray on Jun 25, 2007 3:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont know personally
i just like debating the merits of "sport" or "non-sport" with others to see where they draw distinctions.

I guess I side mostly with what someone else said earlier in that if you yourself are powering the activity, it's a sport. Golf is a sport in the same way baseball is, you power the bat/club to make contact with the ball. Auto racing is not a sport because you control the car, not power it.

Racing, Chess, Poker are competitions, a superset of sport.

by Matthew on Jun 25, 2007 3:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the distinction between
"sports" and "motorsports". Chess, poker, blackjack, etc are a different animal in my book.
This place has a sign hangin' over the urinal that says, "Don't eat the big white mint".

by Thingray on Jun 25, 2007 3:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I add the distinction
That there has to be direction competition throughout (i.e. opponent is trying to screw you up). This disquilifies things like bowling, golf, and races from my book.

by Graham on Jun 25, 2007 4:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In racing they can run you off the track,
unless it's drag racing, but then you're competing pretty much via your reaction time to the tree.
This place has a sign hangin' over the urinal that says, "Don't eat the big white mint".

by Thingray on Jun 25, 2007 4:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Motorsports IS a sport
I'm in the camp that does recognize auto racing as a sport. I grew up with my dad racing sports cars, and I know the level of physical strength required to control the race car (as well as the ability to make and react to life or death decisions in a fraction of a second). Those are the elements that define a sport for me: physical strength and endurance, split second reactions, and high risk.

Then again, that would make the mailperson being chased by a pitbull a sport... Back to the drawing board.

by kva15 on Jun 25, 2007 4:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I once had the same thoughts re: racing
Until I attended the Indy 500. Let me tell you, those guys may not be in the physical shape (i.e. steroids and supplements) that MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA players but those guys are athletes. It's one thing to race a car going 150-240 MPH (depending on the track) it's another to race it with 20-30 other cars at 150-240 MPH. It's impressive.

Not that I'm going to be getting the #3 tattoo anytime soon, but I have a new found respect for it.

by Trent on Jun 25, 2007 8:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My respect level goes
F-1 > NASCAR

Really, rolling a stock car inbetween 40 others at 170 mph is no easy feat, but I don't understand why NASCAR, in its long and storied history, couldn't mix in a few right turns in their tracks.  They certainly have the asphalt and the track space.

by Gomez on Jun 25, 2007 9:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with that
and when you consider the reaction time, lack of power steering, speed, other cars, you have to respect what they do.

by Trent on Jun 25, 2007 11:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also
I am aware of Watkins Glen and Sonoma, but why can't these tracks be the rule, rather than the exception?  Sure, leave the smaller oval tracks like Darlington (and man, can those races get crazy with all those cars compacted together), and I can understand the tradition and all with Daytona and Talladega, but why make all the other tracks ovals too?  That's kinda silly.

by Gomez on Jun 25, 2007 11:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always wanted to see
true "stock car" racing where the cars are the same cars I could buy but maybe with some additional saftey gear.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 25, 2007 11:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

American le Mans series is pretty close
if you ignore the prototype classes. GT2 is a bump over being street legal and I think its sweet that all the classes (LM1, LM2, GT1, GT2) raace together.

by Mere Tantalisers on Jun 25, 2007 1:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I miss the days when you could tell one make
and model from another. Back when you could by fastback Monte Carlo SS's that were special additions because of NASCAR.

Now as much as I love racing, I don't understand why Ford, Chevy, Toyota and Dodge even bother to sponsor or put their names on the car.

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 25, 2007 1:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow im surprised
There were so many levelheaded responses.

Make no mistake, I dont hate Auto Racing and just rip into them, but I cant help but cringe when theyre classified as a sport. It just offends me as an athlete.

People in Maryland, well you can imagine, they usually take it as me just hating it. I dont like it, but im asking for it to bannished. Im just not a car guy.

Now country music, that should be bannished : ).

by Slica on Jun 25, 2007 7:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know the CWS have the same
record we did on this date? Erie.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 25, 2007 8:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eerie
not like the lake.

</Spelling Nazi>

No, sir, they're saying Boo-vasi.

by Mariner John on Jun 25, 2007 5:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is similar
and your commentary was hilarious.

by Gomez on Jun 25, 2007 9:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wont believe it!
Willie Bloomquist failing on a hit and run.

But hes good at hit and runs.

He said so in the Tacoma Tribune article today. No, im not joking. At least he came to terms that hes never going yard 20 times in a year---or his career.

by Slica on Jun 25, 2007 6:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re Arroyo taking the easy road
do you expect a man who is actually named after Charles Bronson to take the easy road? Fuck no.

by Mere Tantalisers on Jun 25, 2007 8:05 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RCAA as of Sunday
28 Ichiro Suzuki      
5 Jamie Burke          
1 Ben Broussard        
1 Jose Guillen        
1 Raul Ibanez          
1 Kenji Johjima        
-2 Jose Lopez          
-4 Adrian Beltre      
-4 Jason Ellison      
-4 Jose Vidro          
-5 Willie Bloomquist  
-5 Richie Sexson    
-6 Yuniesky Betancourt

More positive numbers, please.

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