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It probably sounds stupid to anyone who didn't watch the game, but this is the happiest I've felt as a Mariner fan in a long long time. Nevermind snapping the streak or winning a blowout; the sheer improbability of the whole thing is enough to make it one of the most thoroughly satisfying experiences of the year. Unless you're one of those people who considers any season that doesn't end with a championship a failure, this is what watching baseball is all about, and this is why sabermetrics will never pose the threat to the game's integrity that so many throwback traditionalists think it will. On any given day, the events that take place on the field are almost entirely unpredictable. It's possible to be a geek and a fan at the same time, and if anything, knowledge of the numbers only made today more incredible. Felix in Boston was cool, but this? This came out of nowhere. And it rocked.

Biggest Contribution: JEFF WEAVER +24.6% HALLELUJAH
Biggest Suckfest: Jose Vidro, -3.6%
Most Important At Bat: Beltre single, +9.0%
Most Important Pitch: Wilson single, -4.1%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +24.6%
Total Contribution by Position Players: +19.3%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +6.1%

(What is this chart?)

Forget about the course of the game. The Mariners scored, the Pirates didn't, and in the end the streak was over. There was nothing extraordinary about any of the individual innings - with a more average pitching performance, this win would just blend in with the other 35, and we wouldn't be able to remember anything special about it two weeks from now.

No, instead I just want to talk a little bit about Jeff Weaver, and the way in which he won us all over, if only for a night. After all, there's a reason I feel so good after what would've otherwise just been a regular win.

Back in 1992, when I started liking sports, I realized that I needed to find a hockey team to root for (I had the other three major sports covered). And so it was that I opened the sports section of the newspaper, glanced at the NHL standings, saw Ottawa at the bottom, and felt bad for them. I didn't realize it was their expansion year; I thought they just sucked, and I wanted to see them through their hard times. The attachment stuck, and to this day I'm one of the two or three biggest Ottawa Senators fans I know.

You can probably see where I'm going with this. This season's Jeff Weaver reminded me of some of those early Ottawa teams, struggling real bad to succeed even though neither could be accused of giving less than 100%. Weaver, like those early Sens, just didn't appear to have the talent to compete on a regular basis, and at times you wondered if they were ever going to improve. Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, here, but even when Weaver hit rock-bottom I was never so much angry with him as I was frustrated and disappointed. I mean, hell, for one thing, it's not like he was costing us games; until today the Mariners had only scored 23 runs in his eight starts. Even a bonafide ace would've had trouble keeping us close. And for another, Weaver just looked shell-shocked and crestfallen the whole time, like he couldn't believe what was happening himself. I know I have a weird thing for pitchers, but I always feel sympathy when a decent guy falls off the edge and stops getting outs, a sympathy I'll never have for deteriorating position players like Jose Vidro. I know how cold and isolating it is when you're standing on the mound and nothing's working, so I always like to see pitchers rally and come back with a bang. Unless they're Matt Thornton. Then they deserve to suffer.

I should probably take this opportunity to say that, yeah, I hated Joel Pineiro, and yeah, Jeff Weaver's been worse. So why don't I hate Jeff Weaver? Two reasons - for one, to my knowledge he never took illegal substances to get an edge, and two, he hasn't had Pineiro's bad attitude. Yeah, he's gotten pissed off in the dugout after lousy starts, but that isn't the same as being a dick. Jeff Weaver earned his sympathy, and Joel Pineiro earned his fiery hatred.

Anyway, as much I joked about Weaver's "injury" after the start in Detroit, and as much as I wanted Feierabend to assume his permanent rotation spot for the good of the team, I was honestly curious to see how Weaver would come back, and I found myself pulling for him. He didn't look too different, but the results were better, and I found myself visibly upset when he had to come out after four against the Padres. He'd finally found something of a groove and still he couldn't last long enough to qualify for a win. His next time out he put up a 'quality start,' but again it wasn't enough to get him that elusive first W, and as much as we downplay the importance of wins for individual pitchers, you better believe they mean something to the players themselves. The year after winning the clinching game in the World Series, Weaver was 0-6 in the middle of June. It must've been absolutely killing him, and not even the most cold-hearted of Mariner fans could root for continued failure without at least a twinge of remorse. As long as Hargrove was going to keep running Weaver out to the mound, he deserved our support.

That brought us to tonight. The Pirates may not seem like much of an adversary, but given some of the teams against which Weaver has struggled so far, you couldn't concern yourself with that kind of detail. By this point in the season, a win against Pittsburgh feels the same as a win against Cleveland to a guy who's 0-6. We all just wanted Weaver to go out there, throw strikes, avoid the barrel of the bat, get lucky on a few balls in play, and last long enough for the offense to give him a lead. Nothing spectacular. An ugly win counts the same as any other, and we all knew that Weaver would give anything to get that monkey off his back.

And that's when Jeff Weaver took control.

I don't care how much of it was repeatable. Weaver's breaking balls looked a little sharper, but that's just a subjective observation that's meaningless without any data. His fastball certainly didn't seem to have any extra giddy-up. In other words, his stuff appeared pretty similar to the stuff he's been flaunting all year, only this time Weaver was using it to pound the strike zone and get people out. More than that, he was actually cruising, getting quick out after quick out without so much as allowing a line drive. For the first time all season long, Jeff Weaver looked like a Major League pitcher.

I think with every passing inning we kept waiting for him to blow up like he had so many times before, but the implosion just never came, and meanwhile the Mariner lineup was smacking Maholm around and giving Weaver a sizable lead. Around the sixth inning or so was when we started to realize what was happening, and by then even the people who'd been rooting for Weaver to fail conceded that it wouldn't happen and switched back over.

Weaver seemed to be getting better as the game went on, striking out five batters between the fifth and the eighth after failing to whiff a single one through the first four frames. I don't know what it was, but I like to think that Weaver was gaining confidence, and that as he realized he was closing in on win #1, he became absolutely determined to seal the deal with a flourish. I like to think that the comfortable lead and newfound success gave him an emotional lift that helped him feed off adrenaline and elevate his game long after his stamina needle reached empty. I don't know if any of this is even the slightest bit true, but when all you get are the external results, it's fun to think about what might be going on inside a guy's head, and this story line I found particularly appealing.

After stranding a runner on second base in the top of the eighth, Weaver walked off the mound to a standing ovation and rousing applause - a distinct change from his usual reception. He stepped down into the dugout, sat on the bench, and for seemingly the first time all year long, he kept his chin up and his face out of his hands.

There's no frustration. No anger. No gloom. Weaver just looked focused and confident, with the slightest hint of a smile. I feel dumb talking about this since interpretation of that screenshot is entirely in the eye of the beholder, but it's just such a change from how Weaver's looked in the dugout when we've seen him before. This is a man on the verge of incomparable relief.

Weaver walked to the mound for the ninth, and although he got into a bit of a jam, Hargrove wanted him to finish the game badly enough to leave him in. And as it had to happen, tonight anyway, Weaver came through, getting Adam LaRoche to pop out and Jason Bay to hit a flare to Betancourt for the final out. As Yuni charged in with the ball in his glove, I kind of sat here dumbfounded for a few seconds, but as I watched Jeff Weaver approach Kenji Johjima and smile his broadest smile in months, I couldn't help but beam as well, smiling and laughing along with Weaver as he enjoyed himself for the first time all season. You know how great it feels to watch somebody's face when they're opening a present? This was that times a thousand.

When Felix dominated the Red Sox in Matsuzaka's home debut, I felt good for the Mariners, and I felt good for me. Tonight, I felt good for Jeff Weaver. And you know what? It was every bit as rewarding. Way to go, Jeff. You deserved it.

Felix tomorrow. I don't know how he's going to top this, but no self-respecting pitcher lets himself get shown up by Jeff freaking Weaver, right?

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Grit
I saw that screen cap and burst out laughing. That was a determined, kick you in the balls sort of look.  

Better than a "Sorry I suck" kind of look we're used to.

by batura on Jun 21, 2007 12:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I walked into Burger Place yesterday
sat down to wait for my food as this game was on and the first thing I saw was the Weaver screencap above.  I saw the 0 next to PIT and said, "Hey, well, he's having a decent game for a change."

Then Sims said he was three outs from a complete game.  I looked again, and indeed, they were in the 8th.  WTF.  That's when I realized Weaver was experiencing, at leats for last night, the biggest turnaround of his career.

And then I watched the rest, and as the Pirates got a couple well hit balls, I began to worry that he wouldn't be able to finish, but no, the last looping liner flew into Yuni's reach and it was done.

Nice work, Jeff Weaver.  Some guys never do turn it around, so that was huge beyond words.

by Gomez on Jun 21, 2007 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GAZOOOO!!!
"What is it, DumDum?"
"Regression" is fat people speak for "don't touch my fucking cake, asshole."

by TIF on Jun 21, 2007 12:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"he hasn't had Pineiro's bad attitude"
Maybe not, but his refusal to take a rehab start in AAA or even the bullpen still annoyed me to no end.  I understand the urgency to lower that ERA, but a true team player would do what his boss wanted.

Either way, nicely done Weaver, heck of a way to get your first win.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jun 21, 2007 1:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff, very nice writing.
No professional sportswriter could have done it better.  And I'm sure that the columns I'll read tomorrow, compared to yours, will be left sorely lacking.

by Tom2000 on Jun 21, 2007 1:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
This is one of the best pieces of sports writing I've ever come across.  Thoughtful, compassionate, funny (even better than Cats!)  

Looks like two Jeffs outdid themselves last night.

by DanO on Jun 21, 2007 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, too
And I was surprised - I thought you considered Weaver to be a tequila-guzzling pothead.

by vj on Jun 21, 2007 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I do.
But that doesn't have anything to do with his character as a man. It certainly doesn't make him a bad person.

by Jeff on Jun 21, 2007 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just got done watching the condensed game.
Because I wouldn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes.

Nice job Weaver. Yes it was against the NL, and the bottom of the NL at that, but a shutout is a shutout.

Maybe the best part of that game though for me was Dave's excited call when Beltre made it to third on the Pirates circus act of errors.

"And he throws it away! Beltre going to 2nd base..rounding 2nd going for third! The throw to third is not in...it gets away! Oh no Beltre, you get back to third!"

Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 21, 2007 1:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver's recipe for success:
strikes + Pirates = happy!

70% strikes today. That's a ton.

by Jeff on Jun 21, 2007 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at the Angels game
a few weeks into the season when Weaver threw 70% strikes... and left with 7 hits and 3 runs in 3 innings of work.

by sammy on Jun 21, 2007 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit!
Rotoworld's reporting that the Mariners just inked Weaver to a 4-year, $32 million contract.

"Jeff's really turned himself around and we felt, after his gutty performance tonight, that he'll help stabalize the rotation for the next four years," Mariners' GM Bill Bavasi said. "Weav's a professional, he's been a little up and down this year, but he never lets it affect his veteran leadership in the clubhouse. With the market for pitching being what it is, we felt we got great value for a guy that just knows how to win."

Don't worry, I'm just kidding!

I didn't watch the game tonight - but, c'mon, there's no way it was better than Felix vs. Boston. Maybe I'm biased because that was on my birthday, but that was magic.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by ConorGlassey on Jun 21, 2007 2:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This wasn't better than Felix --> Boston
but it was a totally different and just about equally satisfying kind of awesome. But maybe I'm just weird.

by Jeff on Jun 21, 2007 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apples and Oranges
Like I said, I didn't watch tonight. But yeah, they're totally different. With Felix, there was so much anticipation and hype in the offseason, frustration over the FA SP signings/stupid trades, etc. that when Felix came out of the gate and was carving up good teams, we felt like we were on top of the world.

Whereas, I would imagine tonight's game is the equivalent of taking your jeans out of the dryer and finding a $20 in the pocket.

They're both awesome feelings, they're just different...

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by ConorGlassey on Jun 21, 2007 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me
it was the non-stop Ichiro-Daisuke hype and 80% of that focusing on Daisuke and Boston and yada yada yada and then the no respect shown to the fact that it was Felix-Matsuzaka and then Felix goes out there and does that. I mean, wow.

That game was like a giant FUCK YOU from Felix to the sports media. It was absolutely incredible.

The only thing that compares to it are the "star player taking the team on his back game", specifically Randy in the Angels playoff in 1995 and again coming out of the pen against the Yanks in the ALDS. That's the best comparison I can make. That was the pitcher standing there and saying "I/We are not losing this game. These assholes aren't scoring shit off me."

Or LeBron's game 5 against Detroit for a basketball analogy.

Those type of games provoke a similar response; that giddy, intense swelling of pride in your guy. But they come from two different places, one from determination to win (the RJ games) and the other from a pure unadulterated sense of I-will-humiliate-you-in-front-of-the-world passion to prove oneself. I don't think anyone who ever tried and failed at anything doesn't crave the accomplishment of the latter.

/end rambling

by Matthew on Jun 21, 2007 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not weird (at lease not because of this)
I came in to take a break from working in the yard about the 6th inning, and I was hooked.

I was grinning ear-to-ear and cheering when the game ended. My neighbors probably think I'm insane.

"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know
I think posts like that significantly shorten my life.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
Sorry fellas! Sick sense of humor, I guess...
"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by ConorGlassey on Jun 21, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must admit
You've got Rotoworld's player notes format down, because that looked damn real.

by Gomez on Jun 21, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I do like Coldplay...
...so maybe Jeff has to turn in his man card, too.  I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that was quite happy for Jeff Weaver that he had the game he had yesterday.

Sometimes it takes a game like this to pull a guy out of the doldrums and get him back on track.  With Washburn and Baek both derailed, too, the M's need someone to step it up in the rotation and keep this team afloat.  

I wouldn't put money on Weaver being that good again.  But as long as he turns things around and gives 6-7 solid innings of 4-run ball, I won't complain.  Dropping his ERA down to below 5 would be really nice, if not darn near impossible.  

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 21, 2007 9:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver
I'm rooting for him because he never blamed anyone else for him problems.  I was in Seattle for the KC fisaco, I probably would have killed myself after that game if I were him, and I was hoping he'd be DFA'd right there.  But since he didn't get cut, I would hope he turned it around.  We don't know that he did that for sure, but this has to be a step in the right direction.
--Dave

Addicted to Quack SBN's Oregon Ducks Blog

by Addicted to Quack on Jun 21, 2007 9:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Weaver
I'm sorry but ever since he came back from the DL I've been eager to catch his starts.  And really, he hasn't sucked since he returned to action.

I caught Weaver's post game interview.  I was going to mention it last night but I see Dave @ USS Mariner beat me to the punch.  I do want to mention that Weaver did note that the difference between his previous start vs. Cubs and his start with the Pirates was that he started throwing all of his pitches right away yesterday instead of relying on the fastball.

So I checked out Weaver's first inning.  Sure enough, he was mixing his fastballs with his breaking stuff.  Everything the Pirates put into play was on his breaking pitches...and none of them were hit hard.

Considering the rest of our rotation is having A LOT of trouble a) Keeping runs from scoring and b) Lasting long enough to give our bullpen a break, Jeff Weaver gladly showed up and owned our starting rotation last night.  Hard for me to want him gone when the rest of our starters aren't doing that much better than post-DL Weaver...if at all.

Oh if only Felix would start the game utilizing all of his pitches.  I can't believe I'm saying this after a Jeff Weaver start.

by ThundaPC on Jun 21, 2007 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was always eager for his starts
because at least whatever happened wouldn't be boring.

by Matthew on Jun 21, 2007 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inning five.
So I'm sitting there in my Bay #38 shirt, and the people behind me have been off and on talking about Weaver the whole game, things like "Give me 8 million dollars and I'll go out there and be that bad too," and such.

Top of the fifth, one guy's like "So do you think today it'll happen?  Jeff Weaver's first win of the year?"

I turn around like "Hey, do you guys think it'll happen right now?  Jeff Weaver's first strikeout of the game?"

I'm not kidding, about 10 seconds later Xavier "I can't hit righties, even bad ones" Nady struck out.  And then Paulino.  And then so on and so forth and whoa, that was a fast game!

So afterwards one person, the lone female in their group, is like "Why were you guys saying he was so bad, if he just pitched a whole game shutout?  Was that really his first win?"

I turn around again, like "It's 9:20 now?  I think this is the first time this season he's left the mound with an ERA lower than the time."

"...oh."

However, let it be said that I was actually grinning like a big idiot at the "Dream Weaver" signs, and even at the entire stadium applauding him, even in my Pirates shirt and hat.  It was half a grin of "I can't believe what I just saw," but just as much of a "hey, I'm happy for him" feeling.  Or maybe a "How the hell do the Mariners win so much when I attend games?" sort of thing...

by Deanna on Jun 21, 2007 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I laughed.
"I think this is the first time this season he's left the mound with an ERA lower than the time"

by JI on Jun 21, 2007 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they're her third
and it goes something like 1. Phillies 2. Mariners 3. Pirates.
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 21, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to college in Pittsburgh.
I rarely get to wear my Pirates gear in a relevant situation these days, so I'm taking full advantage of it.  Usually I get to at least one game each season when I'm back in Pittsburgh for alumni stuff, but they weren't in town when I went back this year.  Plus, PNC Park is worth going to just on its own.

I'm out of current Pirates so I'm going to wear my old Kendall #18 shirt tonight, which I usually wear when the A's come to town.  Maybe I can freak out Kuwata.

I guess the Pirates were technically my 2nd team and the Mariners my 3rd, since the Phillies were my first, but I don't know if it's really that relevant these days.

by Deanna on Jun 21, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Guy
I am a first time poster but I have been reading for a long time.  After reading Jeff's article on Weaver I finally had to post.

Jeff to me you are the definition of a "fan".  Sometimes it's like you are writing my thoughts down, which of course is a trick I learned from Ichiro.  

I enjoy coming to this site for Jeff's recaps and I enjoy people's comments and how you all interact.  I don't live in Washington anymore so the info I get here is important and appreciated.

I hope I can become a part of the community.

And I look forward to Weavers continued regression towards the mean.  (Hope I said that right)

by Fan since Rupert Jones on Jun 21, 2007 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoah, Nellie!
So, heh.  What's your favorite beer?  
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 21, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeepers.
Just tryin' to roll out the welcome mat, in the LookoutLanding way...
"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 21, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.
You're pulling it out from under the new kid.  

You jerk.

;-)

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 21, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear.
Now I have Alan Jackson's "Chattahoochee" going through my head.

Thanks a LOT, Paul...

by Deanna on Jun 21, 2007 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the welcome
I know beer is a favorite topic here.  My favorite is root Beer.  I hope that doesn't make me an instant outcast.  By the way the Northwest makes the best.  Thomas Kemper and Henry Weinhards.

by Fan since Rupert Jones on Jun 21, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmm.
Indeed, TK Root Beer, from the tap especially, is pretty dang good stuff.

See, Coach Owens, we can talk about Beer that YOU can drink.  I'd buy you a pint of that kind of Kemper.

;-)

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 21, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sprecher's root beer is pretty great
Too bad its only a wisconsin thing.  TK is pretty great.  I'd get it more if it wasn't so freaking expensive.  I don't have money for nice beer and nice root beer.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love all root beer.
Except Dad's, that is.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with Dad's?
It's nothing great (far from it), but it's not horrible...
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Dad's isn't too bad
It's actually pretty good for root beer floats I think.  Too bad we don't have many A&W's around here.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A&W
Kicks ass.  Especially in a frosty mug, or a float.

We stopped at an A&W drive in during our road trip down the Oregon Coast last summer.  One of the best experiences of that entire trip.  Mmmmm.

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 21, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in Wisconsin
and went there about 2 months ago.  Before jumping on the plane I grabbed some and instead of fries, got fried cheese curds.  Great choice for my soul, horrible choice for my heart.  Probably the closest you can legally get to coating fat in a batter and then frying it.  That said, I'd do it again in a second and as always the rootbeer was fantastic.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. My. God....
That sounds NASTY!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's bad
is that chocolate covered bacon isn't something the Simpsons made up.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've done things like dip french fries in my
chocolate milkshake before, but I've never chocolate coated bacon, and I don't think I ever will!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude yes!
Frosty Fries!
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally grubbin'
with the right fries and shake! The fries definitely have to be hot though. Nothing worse than trying it would cold, nasty fries!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you sure?
because that's the same guy who did exhaustive posts on skittlebrau

by Matthew on Jun 21, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So maybe he actually takes the ideas
from the Simpsons, and tries them in real life...
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure
bacon makes everything better.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you really blame your heart
for clogging itself full of that bacony-cholesterol goodness.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you fry it in the nude. Not recommended.
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(funny as hell though!)
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno.
There's something weird about the way it tastes.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't stand the generic stuff.
A+ root beer, or Safeway brand..  UGH!
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its always way too sweet
and tastes like medicine.  I can't believe it when I see friends actually drinking it.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!
Not to steal the line from Barq's, but the generic stuff has no "bite".
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I love Barq's.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We love all beer here at LL,
We don't discriminate!    :)
"The Dude. Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners."

by Thingray on Jun 21, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Ram's root beer sucks
It's too rooty.
No, sir, they're saying Boo-vasi.

by Mariner John on Jun 21, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their Hefeweizen sucks too
Maybe Bighorn brewed anything sucks.

by Gomez on Jun 21, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rut-roh
Beware of Trolls.

Jeff, Baker gave you a shoutout on his Times blog entry this morning. There may be an infestation coming...

by sammy on Jun 21, 2007 10:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure it'll be fine.
Baker rules. And the Times isn't the PI.

by Jeff on Jun 21, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff just for our convinence
can you throw up a link to Baker's blog on the sidebar.  Thanks.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit, yeah.
I don't know how I let that slide for so long.

by Jeff on Jun 21, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely about Baker...
But I am a bit worried because I think it's only a matter of time before more people start noticing what you're doing here and the site gets overrun ala USSM.

You're one of the best sportswriters on the planet and you write thousands of words on a near-nightly basis... I can't see how this site is NOT overrun eventually.

by sammy on Jun 21, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My only hope
is that would-be trolls try to go through one of my daily novels and lose interest before they're able to hurt anything.

I still think it's an inevitability, though. The LL Banhammer is like a hospital - everything it does is a stall.

by Jeff on Jun 21, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'll get overrun.
There is too many of us here who post regularly who can call out the trolls.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 21, 2007 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also think the nested threads help
cause you can still carry on with business and ignore part of a discussion.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nested threads are awesome.
They scared me off at first, but that was before I registered and discovered the site keeps track of new comments for you.

by sammy on Jun 21, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its worth registering even if
you don't post and you just read stuff

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
The thing with USSM is that the dumbassery and trolling can kill an entire post thread, whereas any trolling usually sticks to one thread, unless the guy's a real jerk and insists on starting new thread after new thread... in which case I guess it's pretty blatant and you have justifiable cause to ban the fucker.

But yeah, LL has that advantage and it certainly helps matters.  Also, having nested threads allows people to discuss multiple topics on a single thread without derailing the whole thing, which also helps.

by Gomez on Jun 21, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No shit.
Best beat writer ever.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 21, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dyslexia strikes again.
I read that as "best wife beater ever".
I reject your reality and substitute my own!

by Phildopip on Jun 21, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 21, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elijah doesn't beat wives
He just sends them pictures of guns and threatens to kill them inbetween knocking up 14 year olds.

by Gomez on Jun 21, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome post
this was one of the best recaps of the season.  i think it and the one after the 13 inning victory over the Cubs are my two favorite of the year.

this blog and Jeff's writing make being a mariners fan so much more enjoyable.  there's a real community of people riding this same roller coaster.

what an impressive blogosphere the M's have -- and i agree that Baker's blog is a great addition.  his on the ground, in the clubhouse, on the road daily perspective is fascinating.

by eagle on Jun 21, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave and I were talking about this the other day
aside from Adam Jones' development and Felix's first two starts, Geoff Baker is the best thing to happen to the Mariners this year.

by Jeff on Jun 21, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely
it's been a great addition

i wrote something over at his blog when early on he was getting guff from some readers who didn't like the fickle swings of his blog.  they were whining about how his blog was inconsistent, felt too spontaneous and he seemed to contradict himself.  i think most of these whiners had never read a blog before -- and only got to his site via the promotion of it on the main page.

many readers spent some time educating the uninformed and tried to explain that a blog by its very nature is spontaneous, contradictory, reactionary and occasionally brilliant.  and probably the most thing is that it is communal and evolutionary.  people comment, ideas evolve, some things get confirmed, other things get refuted.

and Baker has done a great job of melding the assets of the blog with the resources of a beat writer.  it's pretty awesome.  i can't believe i'm going to compliment the sports section of the Times -- but kudos to them for letting their beat writer be a blogger too.  it's made them relevant again.

by eagle on Jun 21, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

[off-topic, deleted]
By the way, does this guy remind you of anyone?  In particular, any recent former Mariners?  Or am I just crazy?

I took this picture of Ryan Doumit over by the dugout yesterday, mostly because I was thinking "My gosh, he looks like Doyle..."

by Deanna on Jun 21, 2007 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding...
I was trying to figure out who the heck he reminded me of.

Bingo.  

Definitely.  Bears no resemblence to his distant cousin, too.  Thank goodness.

"But when you throw the other ones a foot and a half out of the strike zone, they don't give you those." --Brandon Morrow

by PositivePaul on Jun 21, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap. He does.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 21, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No quarter given!
Great, now he is doomed to be injured for ten years for every day he spends on land...

by Deanna on Jun 21, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must say
I always liked Weaver when he was in a Dodgers uniform for the reasons you describe; he got the shank with the Yankees, and I think it probably is true that he's just not cut out to be an AL pitcher.  He needs to find a home in the NL.

by scareduck on Jun 21, 2007 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Jeff Weaver can find a home in the NL
Then it shows you how horrible the NL is compared w. the AL.

by phil333 on Jun 21, 2007 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

finally experimenting
i read with interest Hickey's story in the PI about the team putting Feirabend into the rotation and putting Baek in the bullpen.

apparently this -- and the change in the line up -- came out of a meeting of the, well, "minds" with the front office and the field managers.

i have to say that i'm encouraged by these moves.  not so much because i think they'll work or get this team a division title, but because it shows that they are willing to adapt and do things differently.  it is a baby step toward a bigger evolution that needs to happen.

ultimately, i don't think the full evolution to contender can happen with this management team.  but i do like that they are starting to experiment to make the team better.

here are the baby steps i like: putting Sexson and Vidro down in the order, bringing Joh and Lopez up, letting Weaver throw a range of pitches in the 1st, bringing Feirabend up, and being more aggressive on the basepads.

here are the the next steps in the evolution (which i sont' think will happen with this regime -- but then i again i didn't think Weaver would throw a shut out complete game pretty much ever): bring Jones up to play LF, make Raul a DH and platoon the position, send Morrow to AAA to work out his repertoire, and mix in some of our better benchers (Burke and Broussard) more often to give the starting guys a rest.

by eagle on Jun 21, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And in other news, Giardi came to his senses
and told the Orioles he doesn't want to work for them.
Protect the enviroment, or I'll FUCKING KILL YOU! CAPTAAAAAIIIINNNN PLANNNNET! ~Ted Turner

by Goose on Jun 21, 2007 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope Weaver
gives Felix some of the pot he was smoking last night, eh?
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 21, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From AP/ESPN
Even though starter Horacio Ramirez began throwing bullpen sessions this week for the first time since going on the DL May 25 with left shoulder tendinitis, Hargrove keeps saying Ramirez is a long way off from returning.

by Edgar for Pres on Jun 21, 2007 4:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they're
on to the fact that he sucked?
Top 5 Greatest Players ever: 1. Josh Gibson 2. Cool Papa Bell 3. Babe Ruth 4. Matty 5. Ty Cobb

by Coach Owens on Jun 21, 2007 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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