21-22
-Stephen Jay Gould, The Best Of Times, Almost
Biggest Contribution: Jose Lopez, +15.8%
Biggest Suckfest: Sean White, -51.7%
Most Important At Bat: Johjima single, +10.5%
Most Important Pitch: Wigginton double, -15.7%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -73.3%
Total Contribution by Position Players: +21.3%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +16.0%
Total Contribution by Carlos Garcia: -14.0%
My Internet's giving me all kinds of trouble this afternoon, so I just want to say one thing before calling it quits for the day:
Too often, we see people attempt to infer qualities of character and attitude from performance on a baseball field. A dominating victory means a team is relentless and determined. A spirited comeback means there's no quit in the group, that no one's willing to give up until the final out's been recorded. A walkover loss means you've got a clubhouse full of spineless pussies who just want to go through the motions and cash in their paychecks. We've all seen it, and we're all probably guilty of doing the same ourselves at least once or twice. It's almost addicting to try and gain that kind of insight from an outside perspective, and since there's no one there to tell us we're wrong, we do it over and over again, asserting truths that we have no actual basis for believing.
Here's the problem with that - team psychology and team performance are so far away from each other that observing one in isolation gives us little or no legitimate knowledge of the other. We try anyway, because nobody's ever satisfied with unanswerable questions, but the conclusions we draw are meaningless and occasionally downright insulting. To the best of my knowledge, no baseball team has ever quit, and I think the players about whom such things have been said might want to have a few words with the accuser. Last year's Mariners lost 11 in a row at one point and were labeled with all kinds of unflattering adjectives, but then they came back to take seven of the next eight from superior opponents. The 2002 Orioles, who finished the year on a 4-32 slide, rallied back in the ninth to tie the Red Sox, and then did it again in the 14th before finally losing an inning later. Even the 2003 Tigers scattered a handful of dramatic wins throughout their hopeless season. Baseball teams don't quit, and it's offensive to think that any of them do.
Nor do I think that there are certain teams who're able to consistently ramp up their play in times of crisis. To do so implies that, at all other times, they're playing somewhere below their maximum ability, which is every bit as insulting as saying someone quit. These are all finely-tuned, highly-motivated professional athletes who stand to lose quite a bit if they're ever caught giving less than 100% effort. As such, on all but the rarest of occasions, players are always giving everything they have and looking out for the best interests of their team as a whole.
With this in mind, you're probably going to hear a lot of jibber-jabber about how "these Mariners never quit," how their alleged comeback ability is indicative of a newfound positive spirit that wasn't in the clubhouse last year, or the year before that, or the year before that. We've already seen it in a number of places, and after today's massive near-rally, there's almost certainly going to be more, as it's something encouraging to talk about on the heels of a loss. Hell, even coaches buy into that kind of stuff; Hargrove has said the same things on several occasions already this season. While it seems like Hagrove would be a good place to go to for this kind of information, though, since he's in the clubhouse every day, I guarantee you that if you ask the players, to a man they'd tell you that they're never giving less than everything they have, even if it may not seem like it to the naked eye.
Here's the thing: every team has games where they dominate, games where they rally, and games where they get their asses kicked. The 116-win Mariners lost that historic heartbreaker to Cleveland, while last year's Indians put a 19-1 hurting on the Yankees. Both of those things happen to everybody every season, and when it comes to identifying the character of the clubhouse, they don't mean a thing. What it comes down to is that good teams have more good games and bad teams have more bad ones. This year's Mariners don't have a "more positive energy" than last year's; they just have a better roster, and the result is that they perform better on the field. It's that simple. Sure, it might be fun to think about, but just like clubhouse chemistry, it's less about how good the members of the team are as people and more about how good they are as players.
Yeah, the Mariners almost mounted a spectacular rally this afternoon. It sucks that they didn't, especially since it seems like they could've won were it not for a few choice miscues, but it was still exciting to watch. It was also encouraging - not because it was indicative of a better team attitude, but because it was indicative of a better team construction. The pitching is horrible, but last year's lineup probably wouldn't have scored 12 runs today. That, more than anything else, is what you should take out of the game. Not that the Mariners feel better, but that the Mariners are better, period. Attempted psychology always takes a back seat to cold hard facts.
Felix and Meche tomorrow at 5:10pm.
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I really hope we win tomorrow.
frustrating but true
But I do think that we have to remind ourselves that being 500 is better than the last couple of seasons. This is a better team and they are more fun and more frustrating to watch because of it.
That said, I think that they'd be better served by a manager change. And a 500 team is not worth the 108 million.
I'd like to see them fire Hargrove and effectively suspend Bavasi (then later fire him) and just admit they're a 500 club. Because fighting for division contention (and their jobs) clouds their decisions and isn't good for the longterm health of the team.
Horray for self-awareness
Mariners third base coach Carlos Garcia blamed himself for the loss.
"We got beat by one run," Garcia said. "That was the difference. That's what (made me mad). Those guys battled their hearts out all day long. One decision turned it around."
More Carlos
"It really hurts," Garcia said. "What most pisses me off is that they (the Mariners hitters) battled back and we wound up getting beat by one (expletive) run. That one play could have turned all that around."
Lopez, batting with the Mariners down 10-4, hit the wall in left-center on the fly, and he caught an angle of the wall that sent the ball flying past center fielder Carl Crawford as he tried to close on the ball.
"When that ball got past him, all his momentum was going away from the ball," Garcia said. "I thought there was no chance he would get him."
Crawford regrouped, got the ball to shortstop Brendan Harris, who relayed to catcher Dioner Navarro with time to spare.
"When the coach tells you to go, you go, and I never stopped," Lopez said. "When I got to the plate, Navarro was waiting them for me."
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"That really sucked," said Garcia, who was probably going to have a long talk with Hargrove on Thursday night's flight to Kansas City. "But we never gave up."
On this long afternoon, not giving up wasn't enough.
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Well, at least Carlos knows what he did wrong.
He can tell that story at the unemployment office
by Rollo Tomasi on May 24, 2007 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And here's some more from Garcia
""It was the first time we played them,'' Garcia said. "I didn't know he had such a good arm. But now I know.''"
You didn't know? YOU DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW!? IT'S YOUR FUCKING JOB TO KNOW YOU DUMBFUCK! As a third base coach, it's is your job to tell the baserunners what to do, and your supposed to know this shit, so you can make the right decisions!
He just flat out admitted that he is incompetent. Fire Carlos Garcia.
EXACTLY!!!
For christ's sake, do a little research and figure out if the RF has a canon for an arm or not. These are the things that he should be prepared for an expected to know!! What other responsibilities does a third base coach have, huh?
I am still sick to my stomach from this game.
I will take every possible chance to heckle Garcia, I am thinkin of a big "stop" sign with some not so nice things about him in smaller print.
I mean come on, a leadoff triple? Even the m's can get that guy in 8 times out of 10 at least. And with the score what it was, a sustained rally was better than a fluke hr. i would've stopped him for that alone regardless of how it looked.
What a Ride
Hoping this wild ride continues.
by MarinerNation on May 24, 2007 11:02 PM PDT reply actions
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by Lgirl on May 25, 2007 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 25, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I like interleague play
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
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Not to mention
by Jeff Sullivan on May 25, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I like interleague play.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 25, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 25, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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Is it wrong that I'm starting to think
.315/.365/.376
OPS+ 104
Its not good and not anywhere close to great but I'll take it. Now if only he could hit a couple HRs or doubles.
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2007 10:25 AM PDT reply actions
Given the wealth of things to complain about
You have to wonder
Are we really that surprised
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The infield singles are a fluke.
There's also the related fact that he's putting up the second-highest BABIP of his career despite his lowest line drive rate since 2002 (as far back as the numbers go). I don't see any non-anomalous explanation for that.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 25, 2007 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
So just hypothetically
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno.
I just don't see any reason to believe that Jose Vidro has suddenly developed some special attribute whereby he's able to hit balls so weakly that he gets to first before anyone can field it.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 25, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I didn't realize he had
by Edgar for Pres on May 25, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions

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