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Your Guide To Being a Really Obnoxious Trash-Talking 2007 Mariners Fan

Tiny by Jeff on in Regular News

A few things to make fun of for every team in the league, should a nasty situation arise with a fan of somebody else and you don't want to think for yourself. Because sometimes being a total dick is the only satisfaction a fan of a crappy team gets to have.

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For Novices: Jeffrey Maier, Peter Angelos' iron fist, Beattie/Flanagan GM duo of terror
For Veterans: Brandon Fahey's manhood, fan demographic at Red Sox/Yankees games, irony of Frank Wren taking over the Orioles after Gillick took off
Avoid Mentioning: Mike Hargrove

For Novices: Inability to win the division, Yankee superiority, ridiculous accents
For Veterans: Manny Ramirez's defense, parasitic nature of fan base, godawful ballpark, pink hats, Joel Pineiro
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, Heathcliff Slocumb, cancer

For Novices: Bobby Jenks devouring Mark Buehrle's talent, legally retarded manager
For Veterans: Tom Gamboa, Hawk Harrelson, top HR-hitting team in baseball preaching the importance of productive outs, Robin Ventura got his ass beat by Nolan Ryan
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, Matt Thornton

For Novices: Jhonny Peralta's h, 1999 ALCS, 2005 pseudo-choke
For Veterans: Jose Mesa (be careful), curse of Rocky Colavito, Ten Cent Beer Night, whatever happened to Brandon Phillips, Drew Carey
Avoid Mentioning: Mike Hargrove, front offices, 14-2

For Novices: World Series outcome, Ivan Rodriguez's briefly-rumored homosexuality, Neifi Perez, 2003
For Veterans: Guitar Hero, Randy Smith trades for Juan Gonzalez, Dean Palmer contract
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, Carlos Guillen

For Novices: Recent success, mascot that scares the crap out of little kids
For Veterans: Gil Meche, Appier/Damon/Dye deals, David Glass' eyebrows
Avoid Mentioning: Nothing

For Novices: Rally Monkey, anti-intellectual bandwagon fan base, ballpark environment best characterized as vaguely pedophilic
For Veterans: Laughable Darin Erstad extension, worship of productive outs, Jered Weaver's weight/appearance/talent, Mike Scioscia acting like a little bitch, 1995
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, big words

For Novices: Kirby Puckett doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, inability to win in the playoffs despite Santana
For Veterans: Torii Hunter's overratedness, Felix stayed healthy while Liriano didn't, Carl Pohlad is a giant douche, Puckett's personal life
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, marginal wins

For Novices: World Series drought, Alex Rodriguez in the playoffs, Derek Jeter's defense, payroll, Chien-Ming Wang's name
For Veterans: Jaret Wright, David Ortiz and/or Dave Roberts, Ronan Tynan's ears, Jeff Karstens' jaw, parasitic fan base, Jay Buhner trade, The Double
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, historical success, Arthur Rhodes

For Novices: godawful stadium in a godawful neighborhood, cheap owners, Eric Chavez's alleged "stardom", inability to win in the playoffs, Joe Blanton's circumference
For Veterans: Nick Swisher's porn staritude, crappy attendance, past incidents of bleacher racism, jackbag drummers in the outfield who need to shut up for one God damn second because Jesus quit it it's impossible to fucking concentrate
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, trades, head-to-head season series results

For Novices: never won 71 games, only team to never see the postseason, Dennis Quaid
For Veterans: Rolando Arrojo holds three all-time franchise records, Rob Szasz's fifteen minutes, Doug Waechter, the McGriff/Canseco/Sorrento experience
Avoid Mentioning: Future success, 2-6-2 triple play last September

For Novices: Alex Rodriguez contract, Little League ballpark, Hank Blalock's stagnation, reprehensible "The Natural"/Fox Sports PA home run music, Tony Romo in Qwest Field
For Veterans: Nolan Ryan is overrated, Michael Young is overrated, Travis Hafner trade, similarity of Josh Lewin's psychological profile to that of a twelve year old girl  
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success, replacement of inadequate manager and GM

N/A; there are no Blue Jays fans, only Blue Jays players

For Novices: The National League sucks
For Veterans: The National League sucks
Avoid Mentioning: Recent success

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So there you have it, a brief guide for how to act like a belligerent asshole should a fan of another team lure you into a heated discussion. Me, I'm just not going to tell anyone who I root for, but to each his own. Just never tell me you weren't prepared.

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haha
great stuff.

Love the Tony Romo one for the Rangers.  

by MFAN on Feb 11, 2007 10:51 PM PST   0 recs

Funny stuff, but for the record...
...I really doubt you'll get any Red Sox' fans blood boilin' with insults about Manny's defense. Insulting Fenway, on the other hand...

And I'm wearing a pink Sox hat right now, so go @#$@ yourself*!

*this is a joke. some people from MA, contrary to popular belief, do have senses of humor.

by NHZ on Feb 11, 2007 11:04 PM PST   0 recs

I already said this once on this site
a while back but this summer I went to an A's/BoSox game in Oakland (SHITTY STADIUM...OAKLAND IS GHETTO!) and was sitting in a crowd of obnoxious Boston fans.  

Well the guy next to me wasn't too annoying at first so I started talking to him about baseball and he seemed like he kept up pretty well on it and seemed pretty intelligent about it.  Then I started talking to him about the Red Sox and one thing led to another and somehow he made a comment along the lines of "Manny is the best defensive LF this year."  

At this moment in time I am fairly sure my intelligence plummeted and it became one of those "if it weren’t for my horse...(Lewis Black)" moments.  Luckily he was still there and I asked him what the hell he meant by that.  Apparently Fenway must skew his numbers horribly.  He was using things like put outs and assists to judge is performance.  I then decided I could show the light to this poor stupid soul and began arguing that Manny is slow, stupid, and lazy and that Fenway's LF is the reason for those numbers and not Manny.  

I tried everything I could think of to convince this ignorant Red Sox (is that redundant) fan but he was not budging and I just figured it was too big of a challenge to educate the Red Sox fanbase and instead I would be more likely to succeed trying to cure cancer or find world peace.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 11, 2007 11:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It's not Fenway
The reason he gets more assists is because he has a deservedly horrid reputation which makes people more inclined to run on his arm. For every assist he gets, he gives up 8 extra bases due to his ungoodness. The outfielders with the best throwing arms often wind up with low assist totals because people so rarely challenge them.

by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2007 12:04 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Obviously
Ramirez is nowhere near the top of the league when it comes to defense. My point was that most Sox fans--me included--just laugh Manny's defense off b/c the man is a complete goofball in the field. You guys are right that assists are not always how to evaluate throwing arms, and Ramirez is pretty much case in point for that argument.

The only thing I'd defend him on is that playing in front of the monster for years has helped him figured out how to play the caroms. That's it for the positives. It's a small thing, but it's better than having a guy who has the monster carom go over his head every...single...time (see Hideki Matsui).

by NHZ on Feb 12, 2007 4:45 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Manny Being Manny
My understanding is that Manny actually has a pretty good throwing arm and that he racks up putouts 'cause a lot of runners don't appriciate that and try to run on his defensive reputation and get gunned down.  It helps that there's not a lot of room to throw from in Fenway's LF.

Also, most defensive metrics hate on by blaming him for balls that, due to Fenway, were authentically uncatchable.

Those factors aside, he really does suck.  Just not as bad as usually conceived.

by NBarnes on Feb 12, 2007 2:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Poor Canada
Hot potato is an entirely different game when you're starving

by Mariner John on Feb 11, 2007 11:24 PM PST   0 recs

For a Mariners fan
shouldn't Doug Waechter be in the "avoid mentioning" category?

by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2007 12:14 AM PST   0 recs

Heh
The M's may not have scored on Doug Waechter that day, but then again, neither did he...

by Trev on Feb 12, 2007 1:27 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hahahaha awesome.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Feb 12, 2007 12:18 AM PST   0 recs

I'm guessing...
This has something to do with the recent poll that came out asking which fans were the most obnoxious with Boston fans being #1 on the obnoxious scale, Yankee fans #2, and Mariners fans being somewhere around 30.
DAMNIT!

by TIF on Feb 12, 2007 1:12 AM PST   0 recs

Poll?
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Feb 12, 2007 1:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

You'll have to forgive me
Next time I'll actually read the stupid thing before mentioning it.  It was an unofficial thing swathed about the official forums for each team where the fans sounded off on it.  There was no official poll, just a bunch of fans tell everybody else whose fans sucked.  We got 2 votes for most obnoxious.
DAMNIT!

by TIF on Feb 12, 2007 8:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Actually, no.
But, hey, good timing.

by Jeff on Feb 12, 2007 5:01 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

For Twins fans
You should always mention that Kirby Puckett raped that chick at Redstone. Nothing gets Twins fans madder than that. You could also mention "contraction".

by etowncoug on Feb 12, 2007 2:24 AM PST   0 recs

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't think
he's a hall of famer.

I mean yeah the guy was damn good.He won a batting title, was a 10 time all star, lead the league in hits 4 times, and was a career .318 hitter.

 But he only played 12 seasons. Only had a little over 2300 hits and a little over 200 bombs. He didn't walk much and was never a top defensive centerfielder.

A career .837 OPS does not scream hall of famer to me.

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Feb 12, 2007 3:01 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe there is hope for Edgar then
But when people remember Kirby's defense they always think of that catch in the WS against the wall.
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Feb 12, 2007 8:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

dude
Rape ain't funny.

by helfgott on Feb 12, 2007 3:15 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

"I can prove to you that rape is funny...
picture Porky Pig, raping Elmer Fudd."--George Carlin

And if that didn't make you laugh, maybe this will.

We'll Always Have the Kingdome:

by BrettJMiller on Feb 12, 2007 3:52 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

That doesn't make it funny at all.
Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Feb 12, 2007 7:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I fully second that.
Some issues really are not funny in any respect.

by Josh on Feb 12, 2007 8:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry you two
I might just be a horrible person but that line about porky the pig is pretty funny.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 12, 2007 10:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.
If there is one thing South Park and Family Guy have taught us, it's that stuff that other people find offensive and appalling, is generally among the funniest.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Feb 12, 2007 11:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Carlin FTW
I thought of those quote instantly and then you had already posted it

by mariners124m on Feb 12, 2007 8:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

*that
wow i really could learn to spell

by mariners124m on Feb 12, 2007 8:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Didn't laugh
Did lose some respect for Mr. Carlin though.

I suspect that a good percentage of the people making these jokes have not known anyone who has dealt with this kind of thing first-hand.

I'm usually for poking fun at odd things that make society squeamish, but there are a few areas I'd just never tread on and this is one of them.  I don't even see how it could be justified.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett

by JY on Feb 13, 2007 7:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Avoid Mentioning:
Big Words. Classic!

by DCMariner on Feb 12, 2007 5:26 AM PST   0 recs

Best part
Great post Jeff.

by phil333 on Feb 12, 2007 8:36 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hilarious
Great stuff Jeff.

Also for Orioles fans-their seventh inning stretch song is "Thank God I'm a Country Boy."

Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Feb 12, 2007 7:04 AM PST   0 recs

What do you mean...
there are no Blue Jay fans?!?!?

by ppl4life on Feb 12, 2007 8:25 AM PST   0 recs

They used to call it Skydome
because the box seats were as blue as the sky during games.  GREAT SEATS STILL AVAILABLE, EH.

by Gomez on Feb 12, 2007 8:52 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Being at a Jays game
I actually attended 3 games in Toronto last season.

The Red Sox were in town, and the park was literally 80% Sox fans. The only Jays fans were in the outfield cheap seats.

by Llewdor on Feb 12, 2007 10:32 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

LOLOLOLOL
As for the White Sox, I'd also put Pablo Ozuna's one career HR on the Avoid list.

by Gomez on Feb 12, 2007 8:44 AM PST   0 recs

For the M's:
When is the next Dan Wilson appreciation day coming up?

by Asfan on Feb 12, 2007 8:47 AM PST   0 recs

Oakland Drums
Went to five A's games in McAfee last year.  Those drums never stop.  I'm dead serious here.  THEY DO IT THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME.  I just don't get it.  I love going to baseball games, but I will never, ever go back to Oakland.  Hands down, worst place to watch a pro sporting event in the US.  
Positive:  Good chance you'll get shot on your way to the stadium, preventing suffering.

by Manzanillos Cup on Feb 12, 2007 8:54 AM PST   0 recs

The real positive IMO
is hanging out in San Francisco before the game and getting so distracted with actual cool stuff there that you forget to go to the A's game.

by Gomez on Feb 12, 2007 9:04 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

You're not kidding.
If I hadn't bought the tickets already, we would have just spent all of our time in SF.  Still haven't been to PacBell park or AT&T park or whatever it is...

by Manzanillos Cup on Feb 12, 2007 9:26 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Giants stadium might be nicer than Safeco
but their fans are much like the fans at Safeco games.  They are too rich and don't know anything about baseball.  At least when you go to an A's game, the fans who aren't too drunk usually know whats going on because only true fans or complete idiots would go through it to see a game in that stadium.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 12, 2007 10:45 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I didn't think the drums were bad at all.
But then again, I also actually LIKE the crazy-ass cheering and noisemaking at Japanese baseball games.

I also actually thought McAfee was a pretty good place to see a game.  Lots of good, cheap seats available, lots of interesting baseball to watch, and the people seemed pretty friendly in general, plus BART made it really convenient.

(Whereas my experiences in SBC/PacBell/WTF Park were mostly of "God, I hate Giants fans.")

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Feb 12, 2007 4:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

same for me
I dont mind McAfee. the people there were really nice to me, and I had a big Mariner sign with me.  Of course it was easy for them to be nice when the A's were winning 100-0.

you can get some amazingly cheap seats, which is always cool if you got nothing else to do and wanna go catch a game.

And I can't forgot dollar hot dog wednesday!

by MFAN on Feb 12, 2007 4:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I also went on dollar dog day
I wish every park had that.  My buddy and I originally were going to try the 999 challenge (9 dogs & 9 beers in 9 innings) that night but prudently decided to stop after 5 dogs and 3 beers each, through 4 innings.  I still think I could have done it, but we had to drive down to LA after the game so stopping was a wise choice.

by patsfan on Feb 12, 2007 8:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

the Rainiers have dollar dog day
but it's on Thursday.  Dollar soft drinks and ice cream bars too, from what I recall.

I was at a Phillies dollar dog day once too, though I think those are more random, like a few times per year they have them on anticipated slow days.  Like, I think the one I was at was a Monday night against the Nats or something.  

About halfway through the game, they claimed they were experiencing a shortage on hot dogs, and a dude from Hatfield Franks dressed up in a pig suit ran out on the field at full speed, being chased by a Philly Phanatic holding a set of BBQ tongs.  It was pretty funny, although I thought it'd be funnier if the pig suit guy took off his costume head and turned out to be Matthew LeCroy in disguise.

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Feb 12, 2007 10:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Phillies always have dollar dog day
it's just really hard to find and the dogs are mediocre, but still, for $1...

by Matthew on Feb 13, 2007 7:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Coliseum's okay ..
and strangely safe.  You have to go the Telco Conglomerate Stadium parking lots in China Basin to find your last (only?) baseball parking lot murder.
Memories Only 'R Us

by Paytheline on Feb 12, 2007 10:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Jeff is getting into "Game Shape"
Funny stuff, Jeff. What about the best way to distract an Angels fan for the entire length of a game: Ask them what the name of their team is, again?

by kva15 on Feb 12, 2007 9:08 AM PST   0 recs

What about the '95 collapse for the Angels?
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Feb 12, 2007 9:41 AM PST   0 recs

Of course! 1995.
Where's my head?

by Jeff on Feb 12, 2007 10:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm surprised
The Double isn't listed for the Yanks either.

by Graham on Feb 12, 2007 10:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Updated.
I wasn't thinking last night.

by Jeff on Feb 12, 2007 11:46 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Arthur Rhodes
makes me a sad panda.

by Robert on Feb 12, 2007 12:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What about Jay Buhner for the Yankees
I mean, didn't it get mentioned in Seinfeld once?

by vj on Feb 12, 2007 9:58 AM PST   0 recs

Yep.
Frank: What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?! He had 30 home runs and over 100 RBIs last year. He's got a rocket for an arm. You don't know what the hell you're doin'!
Steinbrenner: Well, Buhner was a good prospect, no question about it. But my baseball people loved Ken Phelps' bat. They kept saying "Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps."

hahaha..

by Egaas on Feb 12, 2007 1:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm.
If only there was a show based in Seattle like Seinfeld.  Well, ok, Grey's is based in Seattle, but there's no character working for the M's in it...

Reason I say so -- there could almost be an updated sketch with Bavasi and Carlos Guillen in it.  Especially with the insight on this we got from Bill at FanFest, and in LaRue's article in the TNT today, where Bavasi explains that a bit more.

It'd go something like this:

Frank-like Character: What the hell did you trade Guillen for?  He was about to bust out with the bat, and become an MVP candidate!  
Bavasi: Well, Guillen panned out with Detroit, for sure.  But my baseball people said he was made out of glass, and was drunk all the time.  They kept saying "Ramon Santiago, Ramon Santiago..."

Iceberg, right ahead!

by PositivePaul on Feb 12, 2007 2:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Or...
My baseball people kept saying "Juan Gonzalez, Juan Gonzalez."  Except, dammit, they were talking about the other one that played for Texas.
Iceberg, right ahead!

by PositivePaul on Feb 12, 2007 2:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I kinda think after last year's performance
it might be better for us to completely ignore their existance.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 12, 2007 10:47 AM PST   0 recs

Pavano
How is Carl Pavano not listed for the Yankees?

Under Veterans for the Red Soxs, you need to list reacquiring Mirabelli.  That sorry chain of events was miserable.

by NBarnes on Feb 12, 2007 2:23 PM PST   0 recs

Really Obnoxious Trash-Talking 2007 Mariners Fan?
If someone does become one, he/she will be the first. Better chance for Really Insipid Blatantly Ignorant Mariner's Fan

by hf832 on Feb 12, 2007 2:56 PM PST   0 recs

RIBIMF
not too big a word.

by Rev Halofan on Feb 12, 2007 3:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hey it works!
Though maybe we should throw in the whole "long team name is looooonnnnggg" part.

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Orange County, Southern California, Southwestern United States, West Coast, America, North America, Planet Earth, Solar System, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe-A.

DAMNIT!

by TIF on Feb 12, 2007 8:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You can have crummy Universe A
We'll be Universe 1.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 12, 2007 11:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Also, this is a great post
I sort of consider Seth McClung among the things to make fun of for the Devil Rays, and for the Yankees, that 22-0 game they endured at the hand of Cleveland last year.

And for Detroit, them losing the division last year by getting swept by the Royals has to be worth something.

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Feb 12, 2007 4:37 PM PST   0 recs

Things that aren't funny
Rape is certainly not funny.  

More to the point of this post, I am struck by how many of the talking points include making fun of player's alleged homosexuality.  I know these are supposed to be jokes, but slurs about people's sexuality aren't funny.  

by PeterCampbell on Feb 12, 2007 6:37 PM PST   0 recs

When your 21 they are
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Feb 12, 2007 7:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Practically ANYTHING can be funny if done right.
And that includes rape.

That picture above, it's not the rape itself that's necessarily funny, but the look on the clowns face as he's getting PITA.

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Feb 12, 2007 8:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Trash-talkers are idiots.
I don't endorse this stuff. The post isn't meant to be taken seriously.

by Jeff on Feb 12, 2007 8:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The hell?
"I am struck by how many of the talking points include making fun of player's alleged homosexuality."

There's one mention of it. One. Quite the overreaction we have going on here, no?

by Graham on Feb 12, 2007 11:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Making fun of Brandon Fahey does not
involve him being gay at all.  Instead we are just saying he is not a man.  He probably is about 75 lbs soaking wet and looks to be a 12 yr old boy.

And comedy is defined by society.  If everybody thinks something is funny then it is.  Is it right? No.  Life tends to be unfair like that.

Jeff's way more "noble" than most of us (aka me).  I'm actually impressed with how "kid friendly" this site is.  Usually sports + guys = foul humor.  If you went to a game with me and my friends, your head may explode from all the "unfunny" comments we would make.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 13, 2007 12:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Note:
Kid friendliness does not apply during game thread.
Hot potato is an entirely different game when you're starving

by Mariner John on Feb 13, 2007 7:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Wow
I forgot about game threads.  Its been too long.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 13, 2007 11:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes it certianly has.
The game threads have been one of the best parts of the last two seasons for me.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Feb 14, 2007 2:27 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Okay, okay...
So maybe there are some things on that list that we should be ashamed of ourselves for laughing at.  But if you don't think that "Big words" is funny, you're a freakin communist.
The throw to the plate will be... LATE! The Mariners are going to play for the American League Championship! I don't believe it, it just continues! My Oh My!

by AFRanger on Feb 12, 2007 7:47 PM PST   0 recs

I've gotta say . . .
The Jays bit hurts.  Besides, it'd be really easy to come up with:

For Novices: Manager John Gibbons being the #1 contender for the WBA heavyweight title, complete lack of competative baseball for over a decade, Roberto Alomar spitting incident.  

For Veterans: Action seen in Skydome hotel windows > Action seen on field, total absence of hair on Gustavo Chacin's body, JP Ricciardi trading players because they claimed that "he looked like he was a pimp back in the day", Riccairdi's desire to create an all-white team of high-OBP players.

Avoid mentioning: Team's horrible idea of giving Miguel Batista a three year contract, the horrors of having Geoff Baker as a beat writer.  

by abelard on Feb 12, 2007 8:54 PM PST   0 recs

Avoid mentioning:
World Series championships since 1977, Jose Cruz Jr (okay, it didn't turn out horribly, but still).

For novices: Higher taxes, separation from rest of league(s) (although this could be worth avoiding too!).

For veterans: Exhibition Stadium.

by Josh on Feb 12, 2007 9:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Avoid mentioning:
Joe Carter

[cries]

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Feb 12, 2007 10:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs