It Was The Worst Of Times

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2007 3:16 PM PST in Regular News Comment 41 comments

The move, which helps the Dodgers counter the Diamondbacks' acquisition Friday of right-hander Dan Haren, is a significant blow to the Mariners, who were among the teams bidding heavily for Kuroda.

The Mariners, trying to add two starting pitchers, have spoken extensively with the Orioles about a trade for left-hander Erik Bedard and will now intensify their pursuits of free-agent righties Carlos Silva and Kyle Lohse, sources said.

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Projectile Vomit

EVERYWHERE.

by PShwa on Dec 15, 2007 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Just woke up

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..............

And WTF, how does Ken Rosenthal know EXACTLY what we're going to do next anyway?

Please, keep us away from the land of failure!

by ThundaPC on Dec 15, 2007 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It's simple.

Bavasi has cash to spend and a proven record of going after whatever warm bodies exist on the FA market.

If I were him, I'd go "We're going to save our cash and kids for July", take fliers on low-risk guys and maybe extend a one year deal to Colon, and if June/July rolls around, you have money to take a big contract and kids as well. If the market sucks now, wait until it doesn't.

by eponymous coward on Dec 15, 2007 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

gay

Caffeinated Confines

by StevenH on Dec 15, 2007 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Silva is a homosexual?

Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Dec 15, 2007 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no

he meant gay as in queer. As in its strange Kuroda signed with LA.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 15, 2007 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you being serious?

Because that's obviously not what he meant. He meant "gay" as in stupid/bad, which is not what it means.

Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Dec 15, 2007 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that would be so gay

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 16, 2007 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's like we just got a hurricane warning

In Mariner news today, A category 5 Bavasi-cane is forming and should hit land by late this week. We are expecting dangerous tradewinds and strongly advise to keep all prospects locked away in the basement safely away from the Bavasi-cane.

Bavasi + No Kuroda = Goodbye Adam Jones.

Boo-hoo. :(

by waterskiace on Dec 15, 2007 4:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I've already been through 1 hurricane this month

I don't need another.

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Dec 15, 2007 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's the inside straight

Bavasi lost that deal. Will he now lay down five and ask for a refill attempting a royal flush of the farm and AJ for Silva and Lohse? I don't think so. He saw the burned earth of a farm system that Gillick left him and put his pride in a rebuild. I'd like to see him give up here, Start AJ and Morrow and, like Bert Lahr, wait until July.

jpwood

by JPWood on Dec 15, 2007 4:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If we land Bedard

I cannot foresee Bavasi shelling out big bucks and a multi-year on another FA SP. I think he'd go more towards a Jeff Weaver type signing.

Bedard-Felix-Colon-Washburn-Batista would be pretty nice.

by Matthew on Dec 15, 2007 4:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don't like having to choose

between Bedard for Jones+ or Silva/Lohse for big money.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2007 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Why the fuck would anybody

want to pay Kyle Loshe to pitch anywhere? For any amount of money. Ever.

"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, you know,

he had a winning season five years ago. That should be worth 12mil/per marinerbucks.

by Paytheline on Dec 15, 2007 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How many Marinerbucks does it take

to equal to one Schrute Buck?

"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it would be nice...

...depending on who is in the outfield.

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Dec 15, 2007 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Whale Song

Whale Song Whale Song Whale Song

by Slica on Dec 15, 2007 4:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nothing bad has happened yet...

Nothing bad has happened yet...
Nothing bad has happened yet...
Nothing bad has happened yet...
Nothing bad has happened yet...
Nothing bad has happened yet...

by vkut79 on Dec 15, 2007 5:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

n Germany, they came first for the Communists...

It's hard to not see the downward spiral, after following this team. I'd be ready to sell the farm for any chance as well, if I were Bavasi.

Also, Godwinned.

by Gromky on Dec 15, 2007 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How could the M's lose Kuroda?

Didn't Lincoln tell him about the family-friendly environment? Show him the attendance figures? Tell him how well the M's treat aging veterans?

I just don't understand...

by Tom2000 on Dec 15, 2007 11:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

His agent and advisors

And probably the Dodgers countered that with numbers of what pitchers do in the NL vs. the AL. Exhibit A was likely Jeff Weaver. He turned down 4 year deals in favor of a 3 year (according to some stuff referenced on mlbtraderumors even LA offered him 4) so he could test the waters again in 3 years when he still has some value. I have a very sick feeling in my stomach he's going to come back then, touting moderately passable numbers from his NL stint, and throw those offers in our face... Being even more of an established vet he'll be even more marketable to the M's then.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by thejew4u on Dec 15, 2007 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's three years from now

we'll be under a different GM by then.

by Matthew on Dec 16, 2007 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But Lincoln and Armstrong

will still be here.

"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Dec 16, 2007 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Says who?

by Matthew on Dec 16, 2007 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The God of Depressing Inevitability :(.

Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Dec 16, 2007 1:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Question

would the M's be adverse to trading for Blanton?

Visting A's fan.

by Zonis on Dec 16, 2007 12:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Never going to happen

Bavasi won't be a major deal within the division.

by Matthew on Dec 16, 2007 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

With a policy like that

aren't you just telling everybody that you know you get screwed on the deals you make.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 16, 2007 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No

Most teams have the same policy.

by Matthew on Dec 16, 2007 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well its still a stupid policy

If you think the trade would help you more than the other team you do it. If you are wrong then you are wrong but hopefully you are right more than you're wrong.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 16, 2007 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you

but like Bavasi said at the meet, what's the last major intra-division trade you can think of?

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 16, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I know

just baseball uses some shitty logic sometimes.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 16, 2007 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Like us being Mariner fans

Shitty logic.

by phil333 on Dec 16, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The second thing in this thread

reminding me of The Office.

When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.

by Mariner John on Dec 16, 2007 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd love too do that trade

If Billy Beane were interested in trading Blanton for some of our crap. Otherwise, I'd say that's pretty much an impossibility.

by ThundaPC on Dec 16, 2007 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Silva or Lohse?

Seriously, neither of them deserves a one year deal, let alone three or more.

Hernandez
Washburn
Lohse/Silva
Batista
HoRam

Kill me now, Lord!

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Dec 16, 2007 6:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Silva is completely reasonable

in a Washburn or Batista kind of way. The problem is that he's going to be getting paid way too much.

Like another poster said, Lohse shouldn't be anywhere near a Major League-level rotation.

Remember when the Rangers signed Chan Ho Park for $15M a season, and Scott Boras declared that $15M is the going rate for an ace? I thought he was full of bunk, but I miss those halcyon days.

Yesterday's Pants

by Katal LM on Dec 16, 2007 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs