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Brandon Morrow

One of my greatest fears about Brandon Morrow's planned move to the starting rotation is that leaving the bullpen and getting stretched out will take a few miles off his seemingly unhittable fastball. This is par for the course - relievers are able to go max-effort on every pitch, meaning they throw a little harder than they do as starters. Even Jorge Campillo was clipping 88-89 in short work. It's been several weeks now that I've been preoccupied with concerns about what Morrow would look like throwing 94-95 instead of 97-98; needless to say, I haven't been very optimistic.

Well, recently I decided to go into the Enhanced Gameday numbers to see if my fears are legitimate. I can't give enough thanks to Matthew (Carruth) for compiling the raw data - this would've taken forever to put together myself. Thanks to Matthew, I have Gameday velocity and result data for 818 of Morrow's 1193 pitches thrown this year. It's not all of them, but I believe it to be a meaningful and representative sample.

After subtracting 2mph off of every pitch Morrow threw in Safeco (Dave and I believe that home velocities were slightly inflated), I split Morrow's pitches up into three groups...

96mph or more: the "unhittable" heaters
90-96mph: the get-me-over slower fastball
Under 90mph: mostly offspeed stuff

...and looked at the relevant results. Here's a table:

The category headers, from left to right, are number of pitches, strike percentage, called strike percentage, swinging strike percentage, foul strike percentage, in-play strike percentage, groundball percentage, flyball percentage, line drive percentage, infield fly percentage, total balls in play, height in strike zone on Gameday, and overall frequency.

First, the good news - based on 2007 data, Brandon Morrow's "slower" fastball is every bit as difficult to hit as his "fast" one. In fact, it was actually put in play a little less often. While the data sample is still smaller than I would've liked, it would appear that my fears were unwarranted, and that Morrow has a good fastball whether it's going 94 or 98. Keep in mind that the league-average swinging strike percentage is 14%.

Now the bad news. To start with, Morrow doesn't throw strikes. His "slow" fastball - the one he'll presumably be working with in 2008 - had a 60.9% strike rate, against a league-average of 63%. On top of that, his fastball gets hit in the air all the time. Don't be thrown by the 42.1% groundball rate for 96+ mph fastballs; the sample is tiny. For all pitches of 90mph or above, Morrow allowed twice as many flyballs as groundballs. It's one thing to be flyball-friendly, but this is absurd. Morrow should take Safeco out to dinner.

For more bad news, look at the <90 category. Less than a quarter of Morrow's recorded pitches were "offspeed", and nearly half the time they missed the zone. Now, granted, I don't have data for everyone in the league, but I'm guessing that a 53.5% strike rate for breaking balls is hilariously bad. They weren't even particularly effective, either, with a 13% swinging strike percentage. Morrow's offspeed stuff does not appear to have been all that good in 2007, which means he's going to have to get a lot better over the offseason if he wants to survive as a starter. Nobody lasts real long with a good but wild fastball and wilder secondary stuff.

On the plus side, look at the in-play results. Again, 33 balls in play is a really small sample, but on offspeed pitches Morrow allowed 16 grounders and 7 flyballs. GB/FB numbers tend to stabilize really quick, so I don't think this is a simple anomaly. It looks like Morrow can really keep the ball on the ground fairly often when he puts some spin on the ball. It isn't the location of the pitch - you'll see his offspeed stuff ends up at the same height as his fastballs - but the downward movement. This is going to be key if Morrow wants to give his outfield a break and maybe get a few double plays.

I'll admit right now that I don't think we can safely draw any 100% clear conclusions from this. No matter how you break the numbers down, switching from the bullpen to the rotation is a huge change, and Morrow has the entire offseason to develop his skillset. That said, I do think there's some interesting substance to this. When he gets it over, Morrow's fastball is good, no matter how fast or slow it is. The flyballs come from his heaters. His secondary stuff needs a ton of work, but has potential to be the groundball weapon he needs in order to become more efficient. It really gives you a glimpse into what Morrow will have to work on this winter. I don't think he's as close to becoming an impact starter as some other people do, but at least I can be pretty certain that no matter how he does, he'll be missing some bats. After what we saw from the starters in 2007, that's something of a breath of fresh air.

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He'll be an upgrade over Ho and Weave
so I'm not too worried about him having to improve next year.
What do I look like, a guy who's not lazy?

by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 2, 2007 11:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with this
We don't need a new Felix, we could settle for another Batista and still be better off.
God. Dammit.

by Librocrat on Oct 3, 2007 9:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be interested
in the %'s on the pitches that didn't have pitch f/x data for them.

I thought I saw Morrow's overall swinging strike percentage as quite low so I'm wondering what it is on the pitches you threw out for lack of velocity readings.

by Matthew on Oct 2, 2007 11:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's what I can do
Recorded:

26% StL, 19% StS, 32% StF, 23% StI

Overall: (according to B-R)

25% StL, 20% StS, 30% StF, 25% StI

Missing Data:

23% StL, 22% StS, 26% StF, 29% StI

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 12:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Id be curious to know what felix swinging
strike percentage was. Yeah it be great to have some starters that miss bats.
You may run like Mays but you hit like shit

by houseofprime2 on Oct 3, 2007 12:00 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

16%
That kind of data is available on Baseball-Reference.

For the sake of comparison, Peavy was 17%, and Bedard was 18%.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 12:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

<90mph stuff probably his splitter
Which would explain the increase in groundballs.  I find it interesting to see from the 96mph+ there's a ton of groundballs, but the 90-96mph stuff there isn't.  And yet, the 96mph+ is a small sample worth tossing out, but the equally small sample <90mph stuff isn't.

I agree that it's probably an anomaly, since Morrow likes to huck his fastball up in the zone, which doesn't usually get you a ton of groundballs, but I'm not sure how we can toss one aside and not the other.

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by TIF on Oct 3, 2007 12:14 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The second sample size is ~2 times bigger
and you're talking about an 8/5 GB/FB ratio vs. a 16/7 GB/FB ratio. I think the latter is more meaningful.

Beyond that, though, I don't think it makes intuitive sense to differentiate between a 97mph fastball's GB/FB profile and that of a 94mph fastball. It's not like Morrow throws a two-seamer. I think all his fastballs have the same general profile, just like his offspeed stuff has a profile of its own. Makes more sense to me to cut them in the middle rather than cut them into thirds.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 12:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant
Comparing the first and third cuts (120+ pitches to 180+ pitches isn't much of a difference comparied to the 800+ pitches of the 90-96mph fastball sample), but I get your gist.
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by TIF on Oct 3, 2007 2:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Durrrr
500+ 90-96mph sample.

Learn to read assmaster....

I will not make jokes in my sig. I will not make jokes in my sig. I will not...

by TIF on Oct 3, 2007 2:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright thanks.
You may run like Mays but you hit like shit

by houseofprime2 on Oct 3, 2007 12:14 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Average?
Even if he takes a slight step back, I think we can hope that he'll be average, or at worst slightly below.  Sure, that's not shooting high, and that's not what you want from a such a high draft choice, but it's better than lots of this year's rotation.

I would guess that this coming year will be rough -- he'll have some games where he just gets lit up, but I think in the long run, he'll be fine.  I just wish he could have pitched as a starter all year in Tacoma...

by ragamuffin on Oct 3, 2007 6:27 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate to be the small sample police, but...
I don't think we can make any real claims about the groundball tendencies of Morrow's offspeed stuff based on this data.  It's 187 pitches and 23 balls in play.  

In his first four starts of 2007, Jarrod Washburn threw 407 pitches, induced 43 grounders, and only allowed 33 flyballs, including an 11/5 performance in his third start of the year.  

Based on this sample, we actually had USSM commenters suggesting that Washburn had turned himself into a groundball pitcher over the offseason.  Washburn then went on to post his lowest GB% of the last four years.  

That sample was twice as large as this one.  

In general, offspeed pitches are flyball/strikeout pitches.  If we need to make a default assumption about the expected groundball tendencies of Morrow's splitter, then we should default to the league average for that pitch type instead of the results of 23 balls in play in relief.  

by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 6:48 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's fair
although I find it interesting that, if the average offspeed stuff gets flyballs and strikeouts, Morrow's didn't do either.

It's a very small sample, obviously. But I think there's still a hint of meaning in there, if only because it's difficult for a flyball pitcher to go on a run where he records 16 grounders and puts seven in the air. That Washburn game you're talking about was against by far the most groundball-oriented offense in the league, while Morrow did this against a number of different hitters.

It could mean nothing, and some regression to the mean (whatever that may be) is probably necessary, but I don't think we can throw it away entirely. The probability that this is somewhat significant is higher than the probability of it being random noise.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 8:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's probably because
Morrow's offspeed stuff isn't any good.  

I'd imagine the regression on a sample of this size would have to be something like 95%.  I'd probably disagree with the last paragraph - I'd bet that this is more likely to be noise than significant.  

If Matthew still has a bunch of free time and wants to cull pitch F/X data for interesting Morrow-related studies, I'd love to see the stuff data for guys who split time between starting and relieving and have at least somewhat similar fastballs to Morrow.  Off the top of my head, there's Chad Billingsley, Brandon McCarthy, and Zach Greinke from this year.  

by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 9:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have data on every pitch thrown in '07
send me an email with what you want Dave and I'll do my best.

by Matthew on Oct 3, 2007 10:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno, that seems like a huge regression.
A sample of 23 balls in play isn't the same as a sample of 23 at bats. These things usually stabilize really really fast. I mean, the closest Felix ever came to looking like a flyball pitcher was as 5/6 GB/FB he put up against San Diego.

Still though, yeah, we need more data. Thank God for Matthew.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think they even out that quickly
Felix posted a 13/12 GB/FB game against the Angels on 8/29.  25 balls in play against a GB hitting team and he appeared to be a neutral GB/FB pitcher.  

Roy Halladay had a game against the Mariners where he put 23 balls in play - 14 of them in the air, only 9 on the ground.  It was his CG shutout, so it's not like this was his version of struggling, either.  

23 balls in play is just a tiny, tiny sample.

by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 11:18 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I mean is
the probability of Morrow's offspeed stuff being flyball-prone and simultaneously putting up a GB/FB ratio of this magnitude is reasonably small. It's still entirely possible, but I do think we have to consider that Morrow's slower stuff might keep the ball on the ground fairly well.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 11:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Binomial Distribution to the rescue
Okay, we'll let math settle this.

Morrow had 33 balls put in play by pitches thrown at less than 90 miles per hour.  16 of those 33 were groundballs, which gives us that 48.5% GB rate we see in the chart above.  

Now, if we say that offspeed pitches are usually strikeout/offspeed pitches, then for an average pitcher, we'd expect a BIP distribution to be more like 32% GB, 40% flyball, 20% LD, and 18% IF.  

Binomial distribution says that we'd expect a 32% likelyhood outcome to occur 16 times in 33 chances about 2% of the time, or one in every 50 tests.  

That's too close to random variation for my liking.

by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 11:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking about a binomial analysis
but you beat me to the punch.

For what it's worth, there's a difference between saying "Morrow's offspeed stuff gets groundballs" and "it's worth considering that Morrow's offspeed stuff might be able to get groundballs." So far - in an admittedly tiny sample - the evidence points in one direction. Whether or not it's real, we can't be sure, but we certainly can't be sure about the opposite either.

We could badly use some more information for other pitchers. I'm curious to see what the typical offspeed GB/FB profile really is.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 1:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And on that note
I probably used stronger language in the post than I should've.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 1:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It doesn't need to be huge
Because in this case, all you're claiming is that he may not suck like you thought he would. I think it is 100% fair to use a small sample, because you are not trying to prove why he will be good, but that he may not be as bad as anticipated.  
God. Dammit.

by Librocrat on Oct 3, 2007 9:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok my question is
How would the hitablity of the low to mid range fastball be changed if he spent the off season getting his breaking pitches to hit for more strikes?

a low to mid 90's fast ball is good if he can also mix it up a bit.

by InSpokane on Oct 3, 2007 9:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Morrow's control = dubious immediate starter
It is very difficult for a starter to succeed when he walks as many batters as Morrow (6.7 BB/9).  

Here is how Morrow compares with qualified AL starters who finished with a BB/9 over 3.5 (keeping in mind Morrow's numbers are skewed a bit as a reliever with a smaller sample size)

Name    BB/9    K/9    GB%    HR/9    FIP
Morrow    6.7    8.8    35.2%    0.40    4.09
Cabrera    4.5     7.0    49.5%    1.05    5.06
Gaudin    4.4    6.7    51.0%    0.92    4.71
Kazmir    3.9    10.4    43.1%    0.78    3.58
Batista    3.8    6.0    44.1%    0.81    4.61
Burnett    3.7    9.8    54.8%    1.29    4.44

The other pitchers had significantly better BB/9 and GB% rates, and the two best pitchers of the group had significantly better K/9 rates.  The one area where Morrow is significantly better, HR/9, is probably unsustainable as a starter, given his extreme flyball tendencies on fastballs thrown in the 90-96 MHP range and normal regression to the league average.

To succeed as a starter, Morrow needs some combination of significantly reducing his BB/9, significantly inducing more grounders, and maintaining his K/9 while throwing at a lower velocity.  To expect Morrow to accomplish all or even some of this over one offseason is wishcasting.

by G_ on Oct 3, 2007 10:50 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, see
that's why I still think this has major disaster potential.

I'm just relieved that no matter what he does, he'll probably still be getting a few strikeouts.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 11:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy crap
This is one of the most amazing posts/follow up comment threads I've ever seen. Lots of math.

by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 3, 2007 11:46 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the post, dude
I think his control problems are overstated. They're very real, to be sure, but the Morrow we saw in the first half is not the morrow that finished the season. He still walked guys, but not the BB/IP he was putting up in June.

Also, I'm guessing he's going to spend the winter tuning up his handle on the splitter. It's a good second pitch for him to have, though I'd prefer he learn a good change, which brings me to my second big point.

What these numbers don't - and cant - show is how Morrow will fare facing lefty hitters. He'll be dealing with a whole lot of them if he starts for us, what with the A's loaded with lefties and the Angels loaded with switchies. I won't hazard any guesses because I have no idea how FB-only-iffy-control guys do against lefties, but it seems to me like he doesn't really have anything to offer them.

there should be three levels of terror alert: Jesus Christ, Goddammit, and fuck me! -LB

by Mere Tantalisers on Oct 3, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK
so I just looked through his splits. I lied - he had faced enough lefties to say something, even though its nothing good. He has 90 PA against lefties, and they put up a .848 OPS, compared to .638 v RHB. not that OPS over 90 PA tell you everything, but it's a good indicator.

Also, he walked half as many guys in about the same number of PA (and the same IP) in the second half as in the first. So I'd say his total Str% is not as much a concern as people make it out to be.

there should be three levels of terror alert: Jesus Christ, Goddammit, and fuck me! -LB

by Mere Tantalisers on Oct 3, 2007 12:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His BB/9 is bad no matter how you slice it
BB/9 by month
April    6.1
May    9.0
June    15.0
July    4.1
Aug.    4.8
Sept.    5.8

Even if you take June out of the equation, he still ends up with a 5.8 BB/9.  

His Home/Road splits are worrisome too.

Home    7.2 BB/9, 13.8 K/9
Road    7.0 BB/9, 5.7 K/9

Away from Safeco (which we know increases strikeouts), Morrow was striking out half as many batters.

by G_ on Oct 3, 2007 12:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying its good
I'm saying it's overstated (the BB, that is). Also, what I see here is a dramatic improvement. It's not steadily dropping month to month, but no single month is a large enough sample to be of any significance. Overall, his control got much better as the season went on. I think there is good reason to think that this will continue.

As for the K splits, there's no way that Safeco is responsible for a 2.4 fold increase in K's. No way.

there should be three levels of terror alert: Jesus Christ, Goddammit, and fuck me! -LB

by Mere Tantalisers on Oct 3, 2007 1:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the second half
his strike percentage was still only 62% (still below the 63% average). He has a lot of work to do, even if he isn't the wild son of a bitch he looked like early on.

The lefty thing is a legitimate problem, yes. I've been meaning to make a post about this general subject for a while now, but I could never really build it up. With rare exception, an effective starting pitcher needs to have a changeup to keep opposite-handed hitters honest. Right now, Morrow doesn't have one. I'm not sure how well splitters work in that regard, but because they don't break away, I'm guessing not nearly as well.

As of this instant, a starting pitcher with Morrow's skillset would allow a lot of doubles and home runs, often to left-handed hitters. He'd also constantly be pitching out of jams and leaving by the sixth because of the control concerns. If Morrow wants to succeed as a starter in 2008, then over the winter he needs to improve his stamina, his control, and his offspeed stuff, all at the same time. And to me, that seems like a really tall task.

by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 1:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeff, leave for six months, and when you come back
I want you to have made this blog into a world-wide, multi-billion dollar empire. I also want you to have received a doctorate in quantum physics, and you better be dating a supermodel as well.

It's only three things, no big deal, right? I guess this is my smart-ass way of saying I agree with you, it's a very tall task.

"The issues with the Sonics' profitability at KeyArena have less to do with KeyArena than with the Sonics' ability to defend the high pick and roll,"

by Thingray on Oct 3, 2007 1:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Jefff!!!
He's a first round draft pick!  He clearly can handle this, since he's über-talented and played baseball in the Pac-10 which is like playing against A-ball!  

See, this is very clearly why I was disappointed with the pick of Morrow in the first place.  I ultimately see him as a 'pen arm in THIS organization.  By rushing him into the rotation with no time, really, at all to develop as a starter, they're setting him up to FAIL.  Then they'll just shrug and move him back into the 'pen.  

And this is, of course, assuming he stays healthy through all of this, which I'm not convinced will happen.  Especially, again, with this org's track record...

Imagine what the speed of lightning would be if it didn't zig-zag...

by PositivePaul on Oct 3, 2007 2:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

couple of points Paul
  1. Totally in agreement that Morrow is a huge risk RE: rotation next year. The guy walks a lot of batters... yeah you know the rest.
  2. Don't oversell A ball. To put it politely, the Aqua Sox suck. I haven't seen Wisconsin or High Desert but I'm fairly sure that we aren't light years ahead of the Pac 10. Kids with metal bats and 3-4 years experience at the Pac 10 level can hit and they can hit well.
  3. Morrow should have been given time to develop so he can work on the art of pitching and refine his mechanics, but he was probably ready to pitch in AA.

by etowncoug on Oct 3, 2007 10:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.,
FWIW, w/r/t to #2 -- I merely was poking fun at a certain mindset that exists on certain corners of the M's blog-o-sphere (and don't ask me how spheres have corners...).  

But, yeah, I agree that Morrow was probably ready to pitch in AA to start 2007, if not AAA.  I would've been totally fine with either.  Now, however, after having spent an entire year in the 'pen in the bigs, he's going to have to un-learn many habits he picked up this year AND learn how to stretch out into an effective starter.  If he's as good as he's touted to be, then it'll take the better part of the year in AA/AAA.  Only if he's an other-worldly talent will he be able to make the switch over the winter and in ST.  

My hunch is that it would take him a season and a half to really do it, and the M's certainly aren't going to wait that long.   They're going to shove him into the rotation to start the season, and when he fails miserably (as I suspect he will), he'll be tossed back in the 'pen for good. I seriously, seriously doubt they'd send him down to the minors for an extended period of time to work out the kinks.  He might get a start or two at the beginning of the year in the minors, but my gut says he's got a 75% shot of going north with the club out of ST...

Imagine what the speed of lightning would be if it didn't zig-zag...

by PositivePaul on Oct 4, 2007 4:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you extend a sphere into
an n-dimensional space where n is very large, it can have corners.

by Matthew on Oct 5, 2007 1:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Going from worst in the league to one of the worst
is still pretty bad.  Of AL pitchers with 50+ IP, he was the worst.  A 5.0 BB/9 still puts him in the top ten along with the Robinson Tejeda and John Rheinecker.

His half season is only about 30 IP, which is still a relatively small sample size to derive much confidence from the BB/9 improvement.  

But even if you give him the benefit of the doubt,and expect a BB/9 around 5.0 instead of his full season of 6.8 BB/9, that is still awful for a starter.  Very few starters can even survive with a BB/9 around 4.0, and those guys all have significantly higher GB% rates (and the good ones have higher strikeout rates).

Safeco by itself is not responsible for the full difference in K rates, but Safeco helped him substantially and made him look better than he actually pitched (5.14 xFIP).  Again, small sample size applies, but that is an extreme difference.

by G_ on Oct 3, 2007 2:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also don't know
if you can say his slower fastball would be the same as the fastball he'd be using for starting.  It'd probably be more useful to go back and look at him when he started in college.

Another big concern SP need to face is going through the lineup 2+ times (unless you are Horam).  I'd expect to see Morrow's offspeed stuff get destroyed if we didn't see improvement in it.

Finally his P/PA is way too high probably at 4.1 (vs. 3.8 avg).  As a reference the highest P/PA Gil Meche ever had was 4.08.  

If we saw the splitter more he could probably turn down the velocity, increase the GB%, safely pitch to contact a little, and decrease the P/PA.  Oh and somehow those BB need to decrease otherwise we have Daniel Cabrera II.

by Edgar for Pres on Oct 3, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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