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2007 25-man Roster, As Of Right Now

I was planning to write a different post tonight, but then 1am snuck up on me and I ran out of time, so here's this instead. We've been talking about different individual moves all offseason long; now it's time to see what the roster looks like as a whole when you put it all together. And yes, we're going to do the four-man bench thing again. I know, I know.

Starting Position Players:

Kenji Johjima (C)
Richie Sexson (DH)
Jose Lopez (2B)
Yuniesky Betancourt (SS)
Adrian Beltre (3B)
Raul Ibanez (DH)
Ichiro (CF)
Jose Guillen (RF)
Jose Vidro (DH)

Bench:

Ben Broussard (1B/DH)
Jeremy Reed (OF)
Willie Ballgame ("utility")
Rene Rivera (POS)

Starting Rotation:

Felix Hernandez
Jarrod Washburn
Miguel Batista
Horacio Ramirez
Jeff Weaver

Bullpen:

JJ Putz
Chris Reitsma
George Sherrill
Jon Huber
Julio Mateo
Jake Woods
Arthur Rhodes

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So, there you go. As far as things that could change before Opening Day are concerned, (1) Ben Broussard's a virtual lock to go away and get replaced by Mike Morse, (2) Rene Rivera might disappear if the front office springs for a veteran #2 backstop, and (3) the end of the bullpen could end up looking different, although I doubt it. Mateo's under contract, Woods was too "good" last year to jettison, and Bavasi said the same stuff about Arthur Rhodes as he did after giving Jeff Nelson an NRI two years ago.

Barring surprise, injury, or surprising injury, there's not going to be much to play for in camp this year, since the roster's pretty much completely set already. And when you look at it from top to bottom, you're struck by just how dull the whole thing is. Aside from limited star power in the persons of Ichiro, Felix, and Putz, pretty much everyone on the team is some reasonable approximation of the league-average at his position. Doesn't really come off as the proper make of a champion.

But then, I have to think that's sort of what Bavasi was going for this winter, because if you look at the roster again, you don't see many glaring problem spots, either. The Vidro trade sucked, but I don't think he's as finished as his 2006 numbers in RFK would have you believe, so the black hole at DH should be a thing of the past. Morse and Reed form the makings of a half-decent bench that would only be strengthened by the addition of a different catcher. A lot of Weaver's trouble last year was the fault of bad luck that shouldn't repeat itself, making him light years better than Joel Pineiro. And while Julio Mateo blows, he's not likely to inherit too many high-leverage innings with Reitsma and Huber ahead of him on the righty middle reliever depth chart.

The Mariners didn't really pick up any big-name impact arms or bats this winter, but they did replace their godawful players with half-decent ones, which can be just as significant an upgrade. The result is what you see above - an unspectacular roster that, even accounting for certain collapse candidates (Ramirez in particular), will probably go as far as Felix, Ichiro, and Putz can take it. I've heard worse strategies.

(This is by no means a comprehensive analysis of the 2007 Seattle Mariners, and shouldn't be taken as such. It's January 30th. Have some friggin' patience.)

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Hey Jeff
Since the roster is pretty much set. I was wondering when you were planning on starting the Community projections for this year?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 29, 2007 11:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pretty soon.
It's going to be a joint effort with USSM, and Dave and I just need to straighten out a few things first before we get the ball rolling.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2007 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3 DH's in the starting lineup
Defense should be interesting.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Jan 29, 2007 11:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Echoing your thoughts
As I persue that list, my first instinct is that this team isn't nearly as horrible as I had lead myself to believe all offseason. Second thought is that, yeesh, theres also not a whole lot to get excited about. Possible volitility is replaced with some stability, at the definite expense upside. Not the least bit surprising given the individual moves made.

by DCMariner on Jan 29, 2007 11:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Better, yes.
Foolproof-er-er than optimum, no.
Detect-O-Vision

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by IcebreakerX on Jan 30, 2007 2:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Uhoh
all winter I've been posting that the M's have so much depth in the bullpen they can trade any number of arms and not suffer for it. It seems I was wrong. That pen looks considerably worse than last year's.

Or not. Eddie's gone, Matoe will be somewhat recovered... It's really just Huber, Woods, Reitsma and Rhodes that I don't have much faith in. No Sean Green on that list?

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 4:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Where would you put him?
Not to mention he's a DFA candidate to make room for Weaver.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 5:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

over Jake Woods
is what I was thinking. Not that I have very strong feelings on the matter - the mop up guys don't matter that much to me. But Green gave us some good innings last year (no numbers to back this, just vague memories of him coming in early to bail out Pineiro and holding down the fort pretty well) and he fits what seems to be Bavasi's type of pitcher nowadays.

Also, do you not expect Lehr to make the roster?

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 7:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.
Lehr's going to hold down the fort in Tacoma, along with a bunch of other moderately useful depth (Campillo, Baek, O'Flaherty, etc).

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't put anyone on the DL
until the season starts, I believe.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Something like the...
"Championship Season", which is like Mid-March, IIRC.
Detect-O-Vision

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by IcebreakerX on Jan 31, 2007 12:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No.
He'll be in Tacoma.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Only if...
...someone doesn't claim him when he's outrighted.  IIRC, he's out of options, too.  
Iceberg, right ahead!

by PositivePaul on Jan 30, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I suck at options.
You're probably right. In which case, seeya.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thought he had one left
since they didn't option him anywhere in 2005.

There really ought to be a website that maintains option info.

Hmm....

by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll have to do some digging.
If he is out of options, another plan could be ditching Mateo or Woods. Long shot, but who knows.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope not Woods
I still think he deserves a shot to prove his numbers in the rotation last year are a fluke. Plus he's a lefty.

If they lose Baek, eh, no biggee there.

by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Since we had Woods up for a year
can't we send him back now.  I really wish somebody had all this info to see what is possible.  Maybe Huber starts the year in AAA or somebody gets traded (I'm pulling for Mateo).

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya are we positive that Huber starts the year
in the bullpen? It seems he might get the George Sherril treatment
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just looked into trying to get options data
displayed at THT, but MLB doesn't release that information to the public. Go figure. So for now, we'll have to continue guessing.

by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it based on how many games
you are on the roster for or is it more complicated than that?  It seems like you could write some program to trowl through and count the playing time for all the players somehow.  I've always kinda ignored learning about options because it always seemed like it wasnt worth it.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Options are based on "years"
"Options"
After three years as a pro, a player must be protected on a team's 40-man roster, or he is eligible for the Rule 5 draft (more on that later). Once he's served those three years, and assuming he is added to the 40-man roster, his club then has what are called "options" on him.

When a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man Major League roster, he is on "optional assignment." One common misconception about the rules is that a player may only be "optioned out" three times. Actually, each player has three option years, and he can be sent up and down as many times as the club chooses within those three seasons.

When you hear that a player is "out of options," that means he's been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he'll have to clear waivers.

by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In other words...
my brother is out of options.

by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, sorry, not true...
he does have one option year left since he was on the 25 man all of last year.

by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but are the years
MLB service years (e.g. 172 days of active service) or actual Gregorian calender years.

Also, you have the clause that after a certain amount of time players can refuse assignment to the minors even if they have options left.

by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 4:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As for service...
once a player has 5 years of MLB service, not pro service, he can decline a demotion/option.

Just for options it is professional service.  In the third year, they have to be placed on the 40 man to be safe from the Rule 5 Draft.  They don't really have to be placed on the 40 man, if you don't care.  Once they are on the 40 man, any use, no matter how little or big.

The only loophole is that if the player has 20 days or less on "optional assignment" during a year, he is credited with a full year of MLB service -- which in turn is in the players favor.

by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 8:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So he gets 3 option yrs right?
So if a player is only is on the 40 man for a week, he's used up one of his options.  

So is Jeremy Reed out of options?  What about Rene Rivera?  Mike Morse still has options.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong
but yeah, I'm pretty sure Reed has an option left. Maybe even two.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So to break down for Reed
2002 - 1st yr of pro
2003 - 2nd yr of pro
2004 - 3rd yr of pro
2005 - 4th yr of pro - 1st option used
2006 - 5th yr of pro - 2nd option used

So he has one option left.  Is it that simple?  Is there a min games a player must play to use an option?  Are all the Sept callups using an option.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't know.
I was under the impression that Reed preserved his options because he wasn't sent down, but I don't know.

September call-ups don't use an option.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see
We purchased Reed to call him up, so he never had to be optioned down in the first place. I don't think he's ever actually been optioned to Tacoma or Charlotte. I think he has all 3 left.

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 30, 2007 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

September callups...
...precisely indeed use an option -- if they're on the 40-man to begin the season, that is.  Guys added to the 40-man to be added to the big club as September callups do not have an option used up.  If they're on the 40-man to begin the season, and they start the season in the minors, they've had an option used, whether or not they actually show up in the bigs that season.  The option is used to send them down after Spring Training, before the season starts.  They can call them up and send them down as many times as they want to after that, and only one option is used. The option is used at the point, whether to start the season or later in the season (if they started with the MLB club), when they're sent to the minors.  
Iceberg, right ahead!

by PositivePaul on Jan 30, 2007 7:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah.
Paul's right. Listen to him.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So i think that exchange may have cleared
up some things.  I think...So does Reed really have all his options left?  Couldn't we have just stash him in AAA and kept Snelling?

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yay
nesting comments!

by Mariner John on Jan 30, 2007 11:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just how small
will the space get before the thread implodes?

by Trent on Jan 31, 2007 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There
is only one way to find out.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 31, 2007 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe
It could get much smaller. What do you guys think?
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 31, 2007 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just a little farther...
My guess is you won't really be able to read this.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 31, 2007 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can read your message just fine
Question is, will you be able to read this reply?

by Alex B on Jan 31, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My Sig is rather long
So I am not sure if you will get any of this. But hey at least this is great fun. Plus I think this Mariner team will win 100 games.
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 31, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It automatically resizes
All columns when one is added. This experiment has already been done

by Graham on Jan 31, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Baek...
Came back last year as a Minor League FA, IIRC. He should have had 6 years minor service at the end of 2005.
Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Jan 31, 2007 12:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rob Johnson > Rivera
Any chance he hits his way past Rene and onto the 25 man for opening day?

by SteveTivo on Jan 30, 2007 8:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Johnson
Rob Johnson could end up being a very solid backup.  

But he really needs some more time in the minors.  He had no business being in AAA last year.  Although there has been a lot of noise about the overly aggressive promotions of Tui, Clement, and Jones, the M's also pushed Johnson WAY too fast.  He did pretty well in 2005, with decent stats in Wisconsin and good production in 70 ABs at Inland Empire.  The M's should have probably started him in the Cal League last season, with a promotion to AA soon if he hit well.  

Instead, they jumped him to AAA.  Rob Johnson is not the type of guy that should be skipping AA.  That decision might have had something to do with Clement starting in AA.  But putting him in AAA was just stupid.  He was totally overmatched, and hit just .231/.261/.318.  

If the M's had any sense at all, they would sign a veteran backstop.  Quiroz would have been great.  Todd Greene is another guy that is often mentioned.  There are plenty of cheap, reliable backstops out there.  Then, the M's could put Rivera in AAA where he belongs, and let him actually play.  He was only 22 last year, and could develop into a good backup.  Johnson should be in AA.  

Hopefully the M's haven't completely ruined Johnson with their idiotic promotions.  

But he definitely shouldn't be in the big leagues.  Johnson is (was?) a pretty solid prospect.  He could develop into a starter.  Promoting him to the big leagues and sticking him on the bench would be a waste.  It wouldn't help the team in the short term, as Johnson couldn't even hit AAA pitching last year.  He would almost definitely hit like Rivera.  Johnson needs playing time.  He is supposedly quite good defensively right now.  It might even be best to put him in AA and let him work on his hitting.  At the very least, he needs a year in AAA to sort himself out.  

Hopefully the M's learned their lesson last year, and they will stop fucking up their prospects like this.  

by Jerry on Jan 30, 2007 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Robby!
Blasphemy!  You should've heard all the girls swoon over "Robby" Johnson in Tacoma.  No way they take him away from them.

Okay, so it was only one or two girls, and IIRC, they lived next to him in Montana or something.  

Iceberg, right ahead!

by PositivePaul on Jan 30, 2007 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Boring
As a few of you have pointed out, the 2007 roster does seem to have fewer glaring weaknesses than before.  But the team is just boring.  

Unless the M's get big seasons from Sexson and Beltre, and another excellent season from Ibanez, the middle of the order is not exactly formidable.  

The rotation is Felix and a bunch of filler, with little liklihood of upside.  Beyond Felix, Ramirez is the only guy who could be suprisingly good.  But it is much much more likely that he is suprisingly bad.  The rosy projection for Weaver, Washburn, and Batista is league average.  

That pretty much sums it up: league average.  

BOOORING.

by Jerry on Jan 30, 2007 8:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

well with the roster all but set
I can at least start my "new" Mariners season in MVP 2007.

Like everyone has said..the team as a whole looks very average, 80-82 win team, but if a few bounces go our way 80 wins can become 87..and who knows?? That may be good enough to win the AL west.  Of course if the bounces don't go our way..it could be 73 wins.

by MFAN on Jan 30, 2007 9:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

MVP?!
How?

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jan 30, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

woops
not MVP, I meant MLB 06 the show.

by MFAN on Jan 30, 2007 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just hoping MLB 2K7 for 360 will be better
than last year's turd of a game.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jan 30, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Heres a nice shot Ichiro
I think it will be alot better than last years.

How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2K's graphics were not the problem.
It was their horrible gameplay, which is 95% of what matters in sports games IMO.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MVPMods.com
Is how I plan to get my fix yet again.

by bluemax on Jan 30, 2007 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know graphics don't make the game
I just thought that was a nice picture. 2K knows it botched the last one and have vowed to right the ship and there old version were better than MVP in my eyes. So hopefully they get it right because last year was a disater.
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly
I enjoyed 2k6's gameplay.  Especially the pitching aspect of it.  What I hated was the graphics and the player movement.  If I wanted to throw to first, my player should actually look to where he was throwing.  But the pitching, IMHO, was the best I've played in a while.  MVP got a little too "arcadey" at times.  
If you're interested in seeing 2k7 they have videos up at ign.com, gametrailers.com, and gamespot.com  The game itself is BEAUTIFUL and releases on March 4.  I, for one, am excited for it.

by tkballer22 on Jan 31, 2007 6:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Already have it pre-ordered!
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by Christian on Jan 31, 2007 7:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

tk
I will have to get your xbox live gamertag (if you have one)

So I can show you what a no hitter looks like :)

How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 31, 2007 9:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have already seen Scruffy's no hitter
but that was when we were playing Gears of War.
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by Christian on Jan 31, 2007 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

n/s
I am also looking forward to the 1st Weaver vs. Weaver game.

How sweet would it be for Jered to get shelled and Jeff to dominante???..I would be pulling for Jeff in that matchup..even if he wasnt a Mariner.

by MFAN on Jan 30, 2007 9:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

already posted this once
but I would love to see Jeff give Jered a noogie. That would be the best. The benches would clear and the first ever noogie/wedgie brawl would break out. Mrs. Weaver will have to settle it.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I expect my hatred for Jered Weaver
to rise exponentially with every game we play the Angels.  It felt so good when we killed him last year.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh
Jered Weaver != very good

by Graham on Jan 30, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More like
Jered Weaver =in for rude awakening in 2007.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sophomore jinx, baby!
It hit Felix, and it will hit YOU, Jered!

by Gomez on Jan 30, 2007 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, I wasn't even thinking that.
I was thinking more along the lines of the AL catching up to his deception, and as a result, his K numbers dropping some. Add that with the fact that he is one of the most extreme flyball pitchers in the game and watch that ERA sore!
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What's funny
is that the description you just gave is a rationally perfect explanation of how the 'Sophomore Jinx' happens.

by Gomez on Jan 30, 2007 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no no no
Sophomore jinx happens to good players who have break out rookie performances, then the league adjusts, and finally they get ahead of the league for good. That is what happened to Felix, as evidenced by his post ASB numbers.

Jered Weaver, once the league catches up to him as it is bound to do, will be at or below average, unless he finds a way to throw harder or learns some nice new pitches. I bet we see him throwing out of the pen within three years.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually highly doubt that
Jered's not 2006 good by no means, but he's not terrible either. He has a lot of dropoff before he'd be forced to the pen.

by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Weaver is still good
I'm not saying he's not. I'd love to have him. While I think his K's may drop a bit and he will suffer from that and his extreme flyballness, he does have fantastic control. And it's something I don't see changing for a while. That's why even though he's in for a rude awakening, he's still going to be above average.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what I mean
in one sentence is that 'jinx' implies a temporary run of bad luck, whereas in Jered's case it is more likely to be a sophomore gypsy curse.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But seriously, watchb him pitch
He's roughly equivalent to his brother.

by Graham on Jan 30, 2007 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre
Had a very good second half of the year while playing in our tough park. I really think he has the potential to while not mimick 2004, have a solid year and beef up the lineup. The team screwed up though by not moving that LF fence in a few feet.

by phil333 on Jan 30, 2007 9:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beltre
hit at least 5 balls that would of been out if they move that fence in 5 ft.
How in the name of Zeus's butthole did you get out of your cell?

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

infusion of youth needed
I concur that it's a pretty ho-hum roster. Boy, it would sure look more interesting with Adam Jones, Jeff Clement and Brandon Morrow on there, to name a few (I realize they aren't ready, but it's nice to dream). Also, I hope they're able to get something useful if they dump Broussard; if not they should hang onto him and try to deal Richie or Ibanez mid-season.

by Alex Johnson on Jan 30, 2007 10:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We just had an infusion of youth
Lopez, Bettencourt, Felix.  Let these guys mature a bit, then bring in the next wave.

by DanO on Jan 30, 2007 6:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If either Ibanez or Guillen get injured,
where do they put Reed? I suspect he would play left if it was Ibanez, but if it's Guillen, would they put Reed in center and shift Ichiro back to right? Something feels weird about the idea of Reed in right and Ichiro in center, but then again, Ichiro is the better defender.

Anyways, I've got a good feeling about Beltre this year. Don't let me down, Adrian.

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jan 30, 2007 10:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

How sad is it....
That when I looked at that I said, "we still have Jeremy Reed?"
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by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jan 30, 2007 12:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Reed is a fine 4th OF
and Broussard is a fine, if not expensive, bench bat.

by Gomez on Jan 30, 2007 1:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yeah but
they are better off waiting until the deadline.  Unless you are going to package him for a good starter (not gonna happen) then they are better off getting a half year out of him and get a decent prospect back.

by bilbo on Jan 30, 2007 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

unless you give him PT
He isn't going to be worth jack shit at the deadline. And Hargrove isn't exactly famous for the amount of PT he gives his bench guys.

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 30, 2007 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At the beginning of the offseason,
wasn't everyone saying Reed was the person most likely to be traded? Not that your information is inaccurate, but I think you underestimate Bavasi's penchant for underperforming lefties -- they remind him of himself!

by Slozbury Stouvre on Jan 30, 2007 8:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Weaver put them a little over budget.
Ditching Broussard is more about money than anything else. Reed was supposed to go away for roster reasons, but those resolved themselves when Snelling got dealt.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

weaver voice cracks
check out his press conference about 3:15 until 3:45. Wow...

Oh and which one of these Jeff Weaver statements is false?
-SafeCo is spacious
-Beltre & Betancourt are solid, slick fielders
-Jeff Weaver is a groundball pitcher

All three are claims made by our new guy. "one of these things is not like the other one..."

Hey Neihaus, that's a fastball, not a slider...

by Yo Adrian on Jan 30, 2007 9:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

To be fair...
He said he likes to keep the ball on the ground...he didn't say that he does that often.

by BrettJMiller on Jan 30, 2007 11:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To Be Really Fair
Its not like he doesn't induce groundball outs....

According to his ESPN stats for his career:
GB 2163 FB 1859

Its just that when the hitters do hit it in the air it tends to go a very long ways.

by MfaninAlaska on Jan 31, 2007 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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