2007 25-man Roster, As Of Right Now
I was planning to write a different post tonight, but then 1am snuck up on me and I ran out of time, so here's this instead. We've been talking about different individual moves all offseason long; now it's time to see what the roster looks like as a whole when you put it all together. And yes, we're going to do the four-man bench thing again. I know, I know.
Starting Position Players:
Kenji Johjima (C)
Richie Sexson (DH)
Jose Lopez (2B)
Yuniesky Betancourt (SS)
Adrian Beltre (3B)
Raul Ibanez (DH)
Ichiro (CF)
Jose Guillen (RF)
Jose Vidro (DH)
Bench:
Ben Broussard (1B/DH)
Jeremy Reed (OF)
Willie Ballgame ("utility")
Rene Rivera (POS)
Starting Rotation:
Felix Hernandez
Jarrod Washburn
Miguel Batista
Horacio Ramirez
Jeff Weaver
Bullpen:
JJ Putz
Chris Reitsma
George Sherrill
Jon Huber
Julio Mateo
Jake Woods
Arthur Rhodes
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So, there you go. As far as things that could change before Opening Day are concerned, (1) Ben Broussard's a virtual lock to go away and get replaced by Mike Morse, (2) Rene Rivera might disappear if the front office springs for a veteran #2 backstop, and (3) the end of the bullpen could end up looking different, although I doubt it. Mateo's under contract, Woods was too "good" last year to jettison, and Bavasi said the same stuff about Arthur Rhodes as he did after giving Jeff Nelson an NRI two years ago.
Barring surprise, injury, or surprising injury, there's not going to be much to play for in camp this year, since the roster's pretty much completely set already. And when you look at it from top to bottom, you're struck by just how dull the whole thing is. Aside from limited star power in the persons of Ichiro, Felix, and Putz, pretty much everyone on the team is some reasonable approximation of the league-average at his position. Doesn't really come off as the proper make of a champion.
But then, I have to think that's sort of what Bavasi was going for this winter, because if you look at the roster again, you don't see many glaring problem spots, either. The Vidro trade sucked, but I don't think he's as finished as his 2006 numbers in RFK would have you believe, so the black hole at DH should be a thing of the past. Morse and Reed form the makings of a half-decent bench that would only be strengthened by the addition of a different catcher. A lot of Weaver's trouble last year was the fault of bad luck that shouldn't repeat itself, making him light years better than Joel Pineiro. And while Julio Mateo blows, he's not likely to inherit too many high-leverage innings with Reitsma and Huber ahead of him on the righty middle reliever depth chart.
The Mariners didn't really pick up any big-name impact arms or bats this winter, but they did replace their godawful players with half-decent ones, which can be just as significant an upgrade. The result is what you see above - an unspectacular roster that, even accounting for certain collapse candidates (Ramirez in particular), will probably go as far as Felix, Ichiro, and Putz can take it. I've heard worse strategies.
(This is by no means a comprehensive analysis of the 2007 Seattle Mariners, and shouldn't be taken as such. It's January 30th. Have some friggin' patience.)
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Hey Jeff
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 29, 2007 11:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty soon.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2007 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3 DH's in the starting lineup
by Goose on Jan 29, 2007 11:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Echoing your thoughts
by DCMariner on Jan 29, 2007 11:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Better, yes.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jan 30, 2007 2:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uhoh
Or not. Eddie's gone, Matoe will be somewhat recovered... It's really just Huber, Woods, Reitsma and Rhodes that I don't have much faith in. No Sean Green on that list?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 4:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Where would you put him?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 5:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
over Jake Woods
Also, do you not expect Lehr to make the roster?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can't they just 60-day Lowe
by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't put anyone on the DL
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something like the...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jan 31, 2007 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if...
by PositivePaul on Jan 30, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I suck at options.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thought he had one left
There really ought to be a website that maintains option info.
Hmm....
by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to do some digging.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not Woods
If they lose Baek, eh, no biggee there.
by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
of course it could be just that Rhodes
by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since we had Woods up for a year
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya are we positive that Huber starts the year
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just looked into trying to get options data
by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it based on how many games
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Options are based on "years"
After three years as a pro, a player must be protected on a team's 40-man roster, or he is eligible for the Rule 5 draft (more on that later). Once he's served those three years, and assuming he is added to the 40-man roster, his club then has what are called "options" on him.
When a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man Major League roster, he is on "optional assignment." One common misconception about the rules is that a player may only be "optioned out" three times. Actually, each player has three option years, and he can be sent up and down as many times as the club chooses within those three seasons.
When you hear that a player is "out of options," that means he's been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he'll have to clear waivers.
by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, sorry, not true...
by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but are the years
Also, you have the clause that after a certain amount of time players can refuse assignment to the minors even if they have options left.
by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As for service...
Just for options it is professional service. In the third year, they have to be placed on the 40 man to be safe from the Rule 5 Draft. They don't really have to be placed on the 40 man, if you don't care. Once they are on the 40 man, any use, no matter how little or big.
The only loophole is that if the player has 20 days or less on "optional assignment" during a year, he is credited with a full year of MLB service -- which in turn is in the players favor.
by ppl4life on Jan 30, 2007 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So he gets 3 option yrs right?
So is Jeremy Reed out of options? What about Rene Rivera? Mike Morse still has options.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So to break down for Reed
2003 - 2nd yr of pro
2004 - 3rd yr of pro
2005 - 4th yr of pro - 1st option used
2006 - 5th yr of pro - 2nd option used
So he has one option left. Is it that simple? Is there a min games a player must play to use an option? Are all the Sept callups using an option.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't know.
September call-ups don't use an option.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see
by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 30, 2007 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
September callups...
by PositivePaul on Jan 30, 2007 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So i think that exchange may have cleared
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just how small
by Trent on Jan 31, 2007 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 31, 2007 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 31, 2007 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a little farther...
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 31, 2007 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can read your message just fine
by Alex B on Jan 31, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Sig is rather long
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 31, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It automatically resizes
by Graham on Jan 31, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baek...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Jan 31, 2007 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Johnson > Rivera
by SteveTivo on Jan 30, 2007 8:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Johnson
But he really needs some more time in the minors. He had no business being in AAA last year. Although there has been a lot of noise about the overly aggressive promotions of Tui, Clement, and Jones, the M's also pushed Johnson WAY too fast. He did pretty well in 2005, with decent stats in Wisconsin and good production in 70 ABs at Inland Empire. The M's should have probably started him in the Cal League last season, with a promotion to AA soon if he hit well.
Instead, they jumped him to AAA. Rob Johnson is not the type of guy that should be skipping AA. That decision might have had something to do with Clement starting in AA. But putting him in AAA was just stupid. He was totally overmatched, and hit just .231/.261/.318.
If the M's had any sense at all, they would sign a veteran backstop. Quiroz would have been great. Todd Greene is another guy that is often mentioned. There are plenty of cheap, reliable backstops out there. Then, the M's could put Rivera in AAA where he belongs, and let him actually play. He was only 22 last year, and could develop into a good backup. Johnson should be in AA.
Hopefully the M's haven't completely ruined Johnson with their idiotic promotions.
But he definitely shouldn't be in the big leagues. Johnson is (was?) a pretty solid prospect. He could develop into a starter. Promoting him to the big leagues and sticking him on the bench would be a waste. It wouldn't help the team in the short term, as Johnson couldn't even hit AAA pitching last year. He would almost definitely hit like Rivera. Johnson needs playing time. He is supposedly quite good defensively right now. It might even be best to put him in AA and let him work on his hitting. At the very least, he needs a year in AAA to sort himself out.
Hopefully the M's learned their lesson last year, and they will stop fucking up their prospects like this.
by Jerry on Jan 30, 2007 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Robby!
Okay, so it was only one or two girls, and IIRC, they lived next to him in Montana or something.
by PositivePaul on Jan 30, 2007 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boring
Unless the M's get big seasons from Sexson and Beltre, and another excellent season from Ibanez, the middle of the order is not exactly formidable.
The rotation is Felix and a bunch of filler, with little liklihood of upside. Beyond Felix, Ramirez is the only guy who could be suprisingly good. But it is much much more likely that he is suprisingly bad. The rosy projection for Weaver, Washburn, and Batista is league average.
That pretty much sums it up: league average.
BOOORING.
by Jerry on Jan 30, 2007 8:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
well with the roster all but set
Like everyone has said..the team as a whole looks very average, 80-82 win team, but if a few bounces go our way 80 wins can become 87..and who knows?? That may be good enough to win the AL west. Of course if the bounces don't go our way..it could be 73 wins.
by MFAN on Jan 30, 2007 9:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm just hoping MLB 2K7 for 360 will be better
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jan 30, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heres a nice shot Ichiro

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2K's graphics were not the problem.
by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MVPMods.com
by bluemax on Jan 30, 2007 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know graphics don't make the game
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
If you're interested in seeing 2k7 they have videos up at ign.com, gametrailers.com, and gamespot.com The game itself is BEAUTIFUL and releases on March 4. I, for one, am excited for it.
by tkballer22 on Jan 31, 2007 6:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Already have it pre-ordered!
by Christian on Jan 31, 2007 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tk
So I can show you what a no hitter looks like :)
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 31, 2007 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have already seen Scruffy's no hitter
by Christian on Jan 31, 2007 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do his shoulders
by Graham on Jan 31, 2007 7:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
n/s
How sweet would it be for Jered to get shelled and Jeff to dominante???..I would be pulling for Jeff in that matchup..even if he wasnt a Mariner.
by MFAN on Jan 30, 2007 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
already posted this once
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect my hatred for Jered Weaver
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 30, 2007 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More like
by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sophomore jinx, baby!
by Gomez on Jan 30, 2007 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, I wasn't even thinking that.
by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's funny
by Gomez on Jan 30, 2007 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no no no
Jered Weaver, once the league catches up to him as it is bound to do, will be at or below average, unless he finds a way to throw harder or learns some nice new pitches. I bet we see him throwing out of the pen within three years.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually highly doubt that
by Matthew on Jan 30, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Weaver is still good
by Goose on Jan 30, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what I mean
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 30, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But seriously, watchb him pitch
by Graham on Jan 30, 2007 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
by phil333 on Jan 30, 2007 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 30, 2007 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine how many more Piniero would have served.
by little joey on Jan 30, 2007 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
infusion of youth needed
by Alex Johnson on Jan 30, 2007 10:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We just had an infusion of youth
by DanO on Jan 30, 2007 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If either Ibanez or Guillen get injured,
Anyways, I've got a good feeling about Beltre this year. Don't let me down, Adrian.
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jan 30, 2007 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How sad is it....
by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jan 30, 2007 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reed is a fine 4th OF
by Gomez on Jan 30, 2007 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well then, they'd better move him
by Gomez on Jan 30, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
by bilbo on Jan 30, 2007 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
unless you give him PT
by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 30, 2007 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the beginning of the offseason,
by Slozbury Stouvre on Jan 30, 2007 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver put them a little over budget.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2007 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
weaver voice cracks
Oh and which one of these Jeff Weaver statements is false?
-SafeCo is spacious
-Beltre & Betancourt are solid, slick fielders
-Jeff Weaver is a groundball pitcher
All three are claims made by our new guy. "one of these things is not like the other one..."
by Yo Adrian on Jan 30, 2007 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
by BrettJMiller on Jan 30, 2007 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To Be Really Fair
According to his ESPN stats for his career:
GB 2163 FB 1859
Its just that when the hitters do hit it in the air it tends to go a very long ways.
by MfaninAlaska on Jan 31, 2007 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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