Breathe.
Don't die.
Moving on, while nothing's been announced officially yet, I've become resigned to the fact that Raffy Soriano really is being swapped for Horacio Ramirez. To believe otherwise is something of an illegitimate pipe dream, and the chances that it doesn't go down are roughly equivalent to those of a bunch of physicists waking up tomorrow and saying "just kidding about gravity." You'd be relying on an awful lot of people being wrong, and given how widespread the story has gotten over the past few hours, that just doesn't make very much sense.
The trade sucked when I heard about it, it sucks now, and it'll suck for the next several seasons. To make things worse, it seemed like after the initial report there was a glimmer of hope that it wasn't true, but then that fantasy came crashing down as well. I've always argued that the easiest way to make somebody happy is to take away something they care about and then give it back. With that in mind, rumors that the deal wasn't legitimate after all sent each of us into a euphoric tizzy. But here's the problem - if you take that precious thing away again, it hurts even more than the first time. So now I'm even more upset than I was six hours ago. This blows.
I want to make one thing clear - although the trade is egregiously lopsided, that's not necessarily what I'm even the most angry about. My biggest issue is that Horacio Ramirez does absolutely nothing that John Thomson couldn't do. Yeah, okay, he throws with the other hand, but at the end of the day you're talking about an ERA in the mid-4's over 180 innings provided the guy stays healthy. And while Ramirez'll stick around an extra year or three, Thomson's track record suggests considerably more upside, and there are guys like him available every winter anyway so it's not like Ramirez's contract status gives him a big advantage. Rather than pay $4m for an established free agent #4 starter, Bill Bavasi decided to give up Rafael Soriano instead. That is a colossal waste of what was easily our most valuable and tradeable asset.
The things Horacio Ramirez does well are greatly overshadowed by the things he doesn't. His control isn't super, he never misses bats, and his groundball rate isn't mindblowingly extreme. He's nowhere close to Chien-Ming Wang's ball-in-play profile, so we can't expect him to have close to Chien-Ming Wang's level of success. He's just a random guy with boring stuff who'd be out of the league if he had to spend a year or two in front of a lousy infield defense. In Seattle he's probably good for an ERA in the 4.50-5.00 range, with a little extra upside given the park and the shortstop. But these aren't advantages of Ramirez's - they apply to everyone, so who cares? Anyone can get lucky. That doesn't make them prudent acquisitions.
As for Soriano...well, I've always loved him, and I wish him the best of success in Atlanta, but it's going to be rough watching him mow people down for someone else. I'll tell you right now that the head injury isn't a concern at all anymore. He feels great, he feels confident, and he's hitting 93-94 in the Dominican Republic as we speak, so there don't appear to be any problems. The question's always going to be about the health of his arm, yet while he hasn't been the most reliable guy in the past, the Mariners managed to squeeze 60 innings out of him before a freak accident at the end of August, so it's not like we're definitely talking about a guy who's on the verge of blowing up. He's a fragile guy who, handled correctly, could and should be a hell of a pitcher for a very long time. And he's not ours anymore. Because of Horacio Ramirez.
Earlier this afternoon, I was pretty sure that the Mariners wouldn't have let Jason Schmidt go to LA for three years if they didn't have something else lined up to patch the rotation. Now I don't know what to think. Either (A) I was wrong, and they weren't as interested in Schmidt as they sounded, or (B) this is what they had lined up. I'm not sure which I'd prefer.
Who knows where this leaves us. The team still needs to add a starter, and nobody's going to come to the ballpark if they have to put up with Felix and a host of #4's, so the front office is going to poke around looking for an arm with name value to try and make everyone happy. The problem is, there aren't many out there. Schmidt was one, but he's gone. Hudson's another, but apparently that ship has sailed. Zito's going to get too many years. Suppan, Weaver, or Meche would be a disgrace. Penny's going to cost a small fortune. And so on. Unless Bavasi pulls something creative out of his ass, the disappointment might not end here. This sleigh ride to perdition may just be getting started.
Given all the prominent Manny and LaRoche rumors we've heard in the past few days, I was more than a little excited that the Mariners might finally do something I love to bring in a major talent. Now though, I can't help but think that the worst part of all this is that there's still plenty more offseason left.
After three consecutive last-place finishes and a promise that 2007 would be different, nobody deserves to be this frustrated during what's supposed to be the most exhilarating part of the offseason. Merry f-ing Christmas.
Thanks, Bill.
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Your 2007 Seattle Mariner Rotation:
Washburn
Ramirez
Ohka
Woods/Baek.
Last place, here we come. Again.
This tream is a train wreck
I want that man gone.
Obviously, you don't want to make snap decisions based on one disappointing decision.
But today, the M's prospects for a successful 2007 went from encouraging to bleak. In 24 hours.
Go back and look at Dave's predictions at USSM. That was a few days ago. Now look at the possibilities. This is a complete disaster.
I hope that Bavasi is not so irretrievably stupid to go after the likes of Zito.
Not to pile on the bitching, but: If you are Ichiro, would you be excited about resigning with this club right now?
Right now, IMO, the best way forward is to tear down this club. Rebuild. Sell Sexson. Trade Ichiro. Move everything that isn't nailed down for prospects.
With nearly nothing left in free agency, and the trade market cooling off considerably, the M's could do well as sellers.
Burn the house down.
If there's an upside
Still, this is pretty unforgiveable.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 6, 2006 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but what now?
But Bavasi just added a cheap guy to the rotation. They still have a lot of money to spend.
I don't see Bavasi signing Thomson and calling it good.
The M's are going to go after a big-ticket player. And that is the scariest thing. Who is it going to be?
I don't see anyone who is not a horrible idea right now. As it stands, Schmidt seems like a great option. Thats how bad things have gotten.
See what I said below.
by eponymous coward on Dec 6, 2006 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
Instead of bitching about Ramirez, we'd be angry about missing out on Schmidt, or the Manny deal, which, in retrospect, really aren't that horrible of developments.
Thomson seemed like such a good fit.
This is one of those rare trades that's 100% impossible to spin in one of the teams' favor.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 6, 2006 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Heh.
By that thinking, we might as well take measures to improve this country's national defense with something incrementally better than the Maginot Line.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 6, 2006 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Meh
I Agree
I would rather see the M's get a giant enema than to watch another year of constipated, dead end baseball. At least starting over gives you hope. Then again, I don't know if I'd trust Bavasi right now to be the one making those deals. If I were Ichiro, I wouldn't be signing. Beltre, Ichiro, Sexon, Johjima...line em up and get em gone. Shoot for the division in 2010. Damnit.
by anotherjeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Must be great
that
by ZeZetheX on Dec 6, 2006 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hilarious!
Jerry Brings up a Valid Point
I have been skeptical of his re-signing since last offseason; now I am even more sure that he won't be here in 2008.
Merry fucking christmas
It's so cold you could catch your death.
A cop sold me some crystal meth,
It's a Merry Fucking Christmas.
Everythings so Christmasy
The streets are filled with frozen pee
A priest just sat on Santa's knee
It's a Merry Fucking Christmas.
All the kids go to bed each night
to dream what Santa brings them
Unless your Jewish, or Muslim
or some other jipped religion.
Crappy toys flying off the shelves
Midgets dressed to look like elves
Spread good chear or burn in hell
It's a Merry Fucking Christmas.
All the kids go to bed each night
to dream what Santa brings them
Unless your Jewish, or Muslim
or some other jipped religion.
Crackling fire to keep me warm
and my collection of asian porn
cradle my bells and work my horn
It's a keep on trucking
vodka sucking
midget chucking
slap the puck in
how much wood could a woodchuck chucking
MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS!!!
ho ho ho! SHUT UP!
This is what sucks
Our pitcher was one of the best relief pitchers in the majors with aspirations of starting again. The pitcher we are getting is essentially the left handed verison of bad Pineiro or Ryan Franklin.
It weakens the M's chances of improving in the now by dealing our most marketable ML piece for pennies on the dollar.
Just sad. Anyone have a guess on what's next? Sexson for Rodrigo Lopez? Adam Jones and Jeff Clement for Mike Maroth? I for one, can't wait.
Totaly
jose guillen. tear hopefully this is just a might scenario.
by ZeZetheX on Dec 6, 2006 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
It's a crying shame!
"You gonna start hitting on Gomez at the next LL night?"
If today has proven anything
Seriously, I put my life on hold today just to find out what was going to happen. Now I kinda hate myself for doing so.
Jeff
"You gonna start hitting on Gomez at the next LL night?"
Can't wait to see Hargrove
I'll take A.
This is the right thing to do for the longterm value of the franchise. Where it sucks is that it leaves you with a .500 club unless you make other moves, since Felix pitching up to his xFIP + a bunch of 4's (aka last year's rotation with different names) + somewhat improved offense without the Everett/Reed/Jones suckfest probably gets you 82 wins or so.
And OK, I'll admit it, Soriano's the better pitcher (when healthy). Y'all happy now?
And all you Bonds fans, cheer up: Barry's probably the only impact player out there who Bill could get for a 20/1 contract, and at this point, it makes sense:
Ichiro
Lopez
Bonds
Sexson
Raul
Beltre
Johjima
Guillen
Yuni
Doyle
WFB
Rivera/Johnson
Morse
Felix
Washburn
Ramirez
Thomson or some facsimile thereof
Baek/Woods/Lehr/Feierabend
Putz
Sherrill
Fruto
Green
Three of Woods/Baek/Lehr/Bazardo
Broussard gets traded for whatever he can fetch.
That, to me, is a team that likely gets Bavasi fired, because Bonds is a headcase, and the rotation's not very strong, unless Bonds decides it's 2004 and does .300/.450/.550 again in the friendly confines of Safeco,and very little goes wrong.
And since y'all know how I feel about Barry...well...it's a hard team for me to like.
by eponymous coward on Dec 6, 2006 9:28 PM PST reply actions
And then
by ZeZetheX on Dec 6, 2006 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm. Yet another contradiction
A small glimmer of hope remains....
Please God
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 6, 2006 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Careful what you wish for.
At which point, we ended up with... Rich Aurilia.
by eponymous coward on Dec 6, 2006 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
And Ramon Santiago.
A number 3 level starter?
Ya
by ZeZetheX on Dec 6, 2006 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Stupid
Trade Sexson and Ichiro for prospects?
by tmoney96 on Dec 6, 2006 9:52 PM PST reply actions
well
by ZeZetheX on Dec 6, 2006 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Would you rather have the wrong prospects than
Foppert wasn't a great idea but Reed/Morse/Olivo was okay, it just didn't turn out well and that's a risk you take.
by Josh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 6, 2006 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Value
Richie Sexson > Randy Winn
Ichiro >>> Freddy Garcia
I am hoping that the M's open their eyes, realize that things are really really bleak right now, and put these guys on the trade block.
The lack of viable options for the M's makes contending unlikely. But the lack of viable options also makes Ichiro and Sexson very attractive to the other teams out there.
Think about the types of packages the M's would have in front of them if the Red Sox, the White Sox, the Angels, and Dodgers got into a bidding war for Ichiro.
With Sexson, it seems like the Yankees, Orioles, and Giants should still have some interest. If the M's go into rebuild mode, they could eat a good chunk of Sexson's salary to maximize the return.
Oh course, doing this would be far above the intelligence threshold that this organization has displayed this offseason. But they should do this.
Unfortunately, I think we are going to have to wait until next offseason, when Bavasi's successor comes in, to have a set of offseason moves that in any way resembles a coherent plan. Hopefully, Bavasi is canned early, and the M's can bring in someone like Chris Antonetti to tear the club down, and start over again.
I can't believe this move
Heh.
by PositivePaul on Dec 6, 2006 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'll be happy...
Damn!
Well said Jeff
ira500
by ira500 on Dec 7, 2006 6:46 AM PST reply actions

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