New Rumor Of The Night

Damn you winter meetings!

It's rumors like this that are going to keep me glued to my computer all week.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, not to mention the fact

that this one seems to have a little more substance to it than last night's.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you stating this because . .

There seems to be a pattern between what Hickey is throwing out there and Brock following it up?

Or is this something that the Blog insiders have some info on?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Dec 5, 2006 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Are you stating this because . .

Manny was pretty much never going to come unless Bavasi added more to the haul, which he wasn't going to do.

This one, though, I've heard from a few places, and it's evolved over the past 48 hours or so, suggesting that the front offices are trying to figure out which permutation would work out best for all of them.

Strictly in terms of probability, odds are good this deal never goes down, but for a rumored three-way trade involving a couple big names it's got a reasonable shot. Mariner fans should be crossing their fingers (and toes, and various other appendages if at all possible [please don't brag if it is]).

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny thing is

IIRC, talk, before the World Series was over, mentioned Atlanta would consider moving Hudson's contract.

This is hot stove at its best.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Dec 5, 2006 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, they want out from that thing.

It's a formidable deal.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh and I'm completely in favor of that trade.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Do we know . . . .

who the Giants give up and to who?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Dec 5, 2006 8:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That's it.

They get Sexson and send Benitez to Atlanta.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As much legs as this might have . . .

does Atlanta have the starting pitching to take the hit?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Dec 5, 2006 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Soriano might be their new starter

by basebliman on Dec 5, 2006 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think so.

Their current rotation looks something like this:

1.Smoltz
2.Hampton
3.Hudson
4.James
5.Davies
6.Ramirez
7.Cormier?

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's the NL

You only need 3 capable MLB-level starters.

by Gomez on Dec 5, 2006 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Benitez to the Braves.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh my god...

I would so do this trade in a heartbeat! What a return!!

by basebliman on Dec 5, 2006 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Off-topic:

Bannister officially dealt to KC for Burgos.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Dayton Moore

Not having a good day.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Eh?

The Royals aren't really in a position where they need to be stockpiling high-leverage relievers. They need young, cheap starters, and Bannister fits the mold to a T.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I guess your right.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I stayed at the Swan in Disney World

And being trapped in the 40 acres of Walt's imagination can do strange things to your cognitive abilities.

So I can makes sense of the Batista contract from that perspective.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Dec 5, 2006 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What's the F'ing holdup?

DO IT DO IT DO IT.

I guess I'll have to take this Hargrove shit much longer...ugh

by WAB on Dec 5, 2006 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

whats up with the contracts from atlanta?

I assume laroche is in arby, whats hudsons contract like.

by tkjinak on Dec 5, 2006 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hudson:

$6m 2007, $13m 2008, $13m 2009, $12m mutual option in 2010 with a $1m buyout.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

Seems quite reasonable. Maybe they could even restructure it switch the 07 and 09 salaries.

by tkjinak on Dec 5, 2006 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

4 years, $47 mill

Signed before the 2005 season

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll believe it when I see it happen

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don't see how this makes sense

A TOR starter and a solid young first baseman who makes almost nothing for a couple of relievers? I like the idea of this deal, but unless they're just that eager to unload Hudson's salary, Atlanta's going to want more than that.

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 5, 2006 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Well I wouldn't call Hudson a TOR any more

A solid #3 starter, yes.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Still

Nobody since the '97 Mariners has been that desperate for relievers.

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 5, 2006 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the thing is

that they have Scott Thorman waiting in the wings, and they are that desparate to get rid of Hudson.

I think this could happen.

And when it does, I'l lbe joining Dave Cameron in doing backflips in the streets.

by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 5, 2006 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

salary is why it does make sense

they want to unload his salary and get a studly cheap reliever/starter in return. Also, I have been reading that laroche is blocking a studly 1b prospect they have.

by tkjinak on Dec 5, 2006 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Atlanta wants out pretty bad.

That said, I still think they're getting it in the shorts with this deal. I'm guessing that's probably the only reason it hasn't happened yet.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't mind

throwing in a decent prospect to sweeten the deal; anyone but Jones and Clement.

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 5, 2006 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Giants give up the beloved Benitez

for Sexson. They don't make out too poorly either. Also, anyone think the Braves might use Soriano as a starter?

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

In other news. The Mariners have been eliminated

in the Gil Meche sweepstakes. He's narrowed it down to the Cubs, Royals, and Blue Jays. He may make his decision tommorow.

I'm heartbroken.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 8:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

LOL

I cant' wait for like without Joel or Gil.

Speaking of Joel...whats he up to these days??

WIN IT FOR RAFFY!!!

by MFAN on Dec 5, 2006 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

life not like

WIN IT FOR RAFFY!!!

by MFAN on Dec 5, 2006 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if there was any legs to the rumors

that other teams had inquired about trading for Pineiro?

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Also wonder if Bavasi

isn't keeping him open as a bullpen option (at a much lower contract) for next year. Pineiro was actually decent out of the pen and if we deal away Raffy...

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

do you really think so?

I just can't imagine Joel back under any circumstances, but you bring up a good point. If raffy does get traded, do they give Joel the league minimum and bring him back? I wouldnt say he was good out of the pen, but he was somewhat effective.

I just can't see it happeing. The M's have to many guys that could do just as good, if not better than Pinata (havent used that one in a while)

WIN IT FOR RAFFY!!!

by MFAN on Dec 5, 2006 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do I think so? No.

I was just thinking aloud.

JoePa in the pen posted a 4:1 SO/non-I BB rate and knocked his hit rate down some 40%. But I agree, depending on what moves they make (send Jake Woods to ATL too!), the bullpen is still composed of 7 from:

Putz
Huber
Sherrill
Mateo
O'Flaherty
Fruto
Green
Jimenez
Woods
Lehr
Baek
Lowe*

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus

I don't think he was offered arby, which doesn't mean a whole lot.

Actually I haven't seen a list of who they did, except for Meche. Honestly, didn't hear officially if they offered Putz, even though I have heard that they haven't.

by ppl4life on Dec 6, 2006 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he wasnt

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

pineiro that is

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Safeway said

they would review his application and call him back for an interview if he met their needs for an entry-level bagger.

by Gomez on Dec 5, 2006 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not to crap on everyone

but couldn't Hudson demand to be traded next offseason if he's dealt to the M's? And I think his contract has a lot of money deferred.

I still say do it in a heartbeat

by Trent on Dec 5, 2006 9:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

new CBA

got rid of that rule

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

To further the giddiness

I recall John Schuerholz stating in an interview that he recognizes the best trades are the ones where everyone improves their team.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Dec 5, 2006 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If we do this

I doesnt seem like anything atlanta would want 2 do. Hudson is hardly a guy that is going to have the same bad season and adam laroche flew under the radar but was really quite productive.

I guess i can see that they NEED alot of bullpen help but i dont see their gain.

I would still love this trade because we dont lose anything(much) by exchanging laroche for sexon and in my opinion we need sp more than relief. Besides we have enough young relief to last for a long time.

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If Atlanta made this deal

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried Soriano out in the rotation next year while Benitez closes.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If anything, LaRoche is an upgrade over Sexson

He's 5 years younger, has just about the same amount of power, and is likely to improve over the next 2-3 years while Sexson is going to start to decline.

Oh and he's making jack.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And also he's left handed.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and cheap.

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Think about it like this

a lot of us in the mariner fandom would be willing to trade sexson for a bag of balls. Same thing with atlanta and hudson. I wouldn't look at it like what is atlanta gaining, what they are losing is the more important thing to them.

by tkjinak on Dec 5, 2006 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Manny

If anyone read the article they would know were not persueing him. Yay thats one less rumor and thats one less waste of money. well i guess manny is never a waste. but It will be good news for snelling and jones.

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 9:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

BTW,

I L-O-V-E Tim Hudson's groundballsiness

I'd send a couple decent prospects along with Sexson + Soriano to get this deal done. No Jones, Clement caliber, but Balentien, Garciaparra, Chen, etc.

Hudson's contract is perfectly fine in this market (it's the same as Vicente Padilla's for reference), love the idea of trying to restructure the money though, making it more even across the years. Make it like 12, 10, 10 and you're golden.

LaRoche, not sure if he's arb-eligible this offseason or not. He's right on the cusp of 3 years of service time.

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It's weird

to think of little Nomar as a prospect again.

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a thought

throw in Reed to Atlanta. Insurance for them for when Andruw leaves. They'd have to be interested in that.

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do it....Just Do it, Bavasi

by anotherjeff on Dec 5, 2006 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Seems to good to be true

I don't see how this would work.

The M's get a sweet deal. No need to rehash the details.

The Giants would be getting a power hitting first baseman for an overpaid closer who has been injured.

The Braves give up a lot for two relievers.

Really, the M's are the only team who is giving up and recieving anything remotely close to equal value. The Giants give up a guy who has nearly no value, and get something of value. I would be asking the Giants to kick in a prospect or two, and send them to Atlanta.

by Jerry on Dec 5, 2006 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ya

But i dont see much change for the mariners. The first basemen are alot alike. And were exchanging a reliever for a starter. Soriano is an up and coming quality reliever but hudson is seasond starter with big salary and a couple of tough seasons against the nl east.

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya but relief pitching has bit Atlanta

in the ass the last couple of years. So I can see the desperation on there part.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 5, 2006 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

look at some of the other names that've been floated out there in connection with LaRoche. I think it's safe to say that Atlanta undervalues the guy. The deal makes a little sense because they get their cheap young reliever for LaRoche and Benitez gives them a closer while relieving them of Hudson's long-term salary burden.

But yeah, Schuerholz doesn't come out real shiny in this permutation. If I'm Bavasi, I'm throwing guys like Balentien and Justin Thomas out there all willy-nilly in an effort to push him over the hump and get him to accept the deal, because whatever happens the M's are pretty much guaranteed of making out like bandits.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hell I'd through in LaHair as well.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think they want to ditch LaRoche

and move Salty to 1B since McCann is obviously going to stick at C.

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Salty's value

Goes down -real- fast if he has to play 1B though. They're probably better off trading him.

by Graham on Dec 5, 2006 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Other Niceties

Here are other reasons why this deal would rock:

The M's would be getting Hudson and LaRoche while actually cutting payroll. Sexson and Soriano would have cost about $17 million. Hudson and LaRoche will cost $7.5 million (with a bump to at least $16 next year). That cuts $10 million off the budget.

The M's would have enough money to add a few players. If need be, they could still sign Schmidt. They could also add a reliever to replace Soriano. They would have a ton of financial space to work with.

Second, this move would not cost the M's draft pick compensation. They would be adding a very good starter and a cheap lefthanded bat (with upside) with no penalty.

Again, seems to good to be true.

by Jerry on Dec 5, 2006 9:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That would be a good rotation

Felix, Hudson, Schmidt, Thomson (assuming he falls this way), Washburn

by Gomez on Dec 5, 2006 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wow that is good

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Schmidt would be difficult

unless, again, they found a way to frontload his contract to take advantage of Hudson's low 2007 pricetag.

But we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. This whole thing is just a rumor with a little more substance than usual.

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But rumors like this are so much fun!!!!!

by tkjinak on Dec 5, 2006 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Ms still have 10-15M in payroll room though

so, making this trade gives them 20+M in 07 payroll space. Enough to frontload Schmidt and ink Thompson and go with a rotation of:

Felix, Schmidt, Hudson, Washburn, Thompson

And if they wanted to clear some more space and take a bit of a risk, they could deal Broussard to save another 4M, try to pick up a cheap one-sided hitter and go with Snelling at DH.

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't see the money for schmidt

if this deal goes. Three starters would be making 35 million or so in 08, 09. No way they could manage that and even if they could spending 1/3 of your roll on your 2,3,4 starters is a sure fire way of sending your team into the toilet.

by tkjinak on Dec 5, 2006 9:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Heh.

How it's perceived from the other end:

McCovey Chronicles reader - The Mariners aren't that stupid - are they?

by Jeff on Dec 5, 2006 9:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Does he realize we aren't the ones...

getting Benitez?

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope we're that stupid.

I can just imagine Bavasi and Sabean sitting at one end of a table and Schuerholz sitting at the other end.

Bavasi:Well guys, looks like we have a deal.reaches hand out to Schuerholz
Sabean:giggling I can't believe he's going to do this.
Bavasi:elbows Sabean with other arm Shut up moron he's going to hear you.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

More accurate

Sabean: Oh, wait Sexson's only 31? Never mind, we'll get someone older.

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Next day:

Julio Franco traded to the Giants for Tim Lincecum.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They don't seem

to realize that Sexson is making a fortune and it might elminate them from getting Bonds. Still, the Giants seems to be getting a lot for giving up little. I could see more prospects being thrown in.

Frankly, I don't care because what we're getting back in return is important.

by JLC on Dec 5, 2006 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they want Bonds back

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

r u sure?

giants fans i kno always tell me they still luv barry, but if i were the giants i would have to draw the line.

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Giants fans are not the Giants GM or ownership

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They want their Dugout picture to change

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck

by Mariner John on Dec 5, 2006 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So should we be worried about Hudson

at all. Basically its a great deal for us but still. Also, this doesn't solve our logjam at DH/1B really. I'd assume LaRouche is our starting 1B. Broussard is kinda expensive riding the bench.

Oh and saw some rumor...Reed to Texas.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 5, 2006 10:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Broussard is the DH

We'd still have the Ibby, Ichiro, Guillen, Snelling, Broussard 5 men for 4 positions thing going on.

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

ya and with like 5 outfielders the playing time will be harsh on developing guys. The infield would be pretty much a lock down w/ Beltre lopez betancourt and laroche. but the outfield will be screwy and dh will be a problem.

This mite be a situation where to much talent is a bad thing. Be cause it hinders young talent.

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The only young talent is Snelling

BTW, if you click on Reply to this you can nest the comments.

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

o

so ur not that high on adam jones and not convinced morris can play OF?

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jones needs to play the entire year in Tacoma

And who is Morris?

Not trying to sound like an asshole or anything, but people will take your posts much more seriously if you completely spell out words.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Adam Jones isn't in the 2007 plans

and as it stands now, Ichiro, Guillen and Broussard aren't in the 2008 plans.

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you mean Morse.

and he isnt really a prospect. I like Morse, but hes a bench player as of right now. I don't think the M's view him as ever being an everyday player (although you never know what can happen).

WIN IT FOR RAFFY!!!

by MFAN on Dec 5, 2006 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OMG

just kidding ya had a laspse morse srry its late and i have things to do in the morning

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And

to much seahawks

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Morse is a bench bat

Jones is overmatched in the bigs for now.

by Graham on Dec 6, 2006 5:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Duuude.

Hudson sucks.

Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Dec 5, 2006 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

....uh no.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He's from DOV

they disagree with everything LoL and USSM says :D

by Trent on Dec 5, 2006 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh, now there's a site I haven't read

in a while. Always good for a laugh.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes,

Because I'm sooo excited about a with a 5.81 K/9, a 1.79 control ratio, a 1.44 WHIP, a 850 OPSA vs. Lefties!

Yes, that's EXACTLY what we need in a park that's built for Lefties.

Hudson would be a secondary or tertiary move in a good off-season.

Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Dec 5, 2006 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's nothing new.

Even back when he was putting up ace like numbers, his splits against lefties were still alot worse than against righties.

I don't think it's as big a problem as Detecto is making it out to be.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That 850 OPSA...

...Was from the NL, and we've all been ragging at how bad they were.

There is very little difference between Schmidt + Sexson and Hudson + La Roche.

Detect-O-Vision

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Dec 6, 2006 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

money

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 6, 2006 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well except for 6 years and about $15 million

a year.

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by Goose on Dec 6, 2006 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The NL

Is worse than the AL, but not by nearly the margin everyone seems to think.

by Graham on Dec 6, 2006 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The park isn't so much built for lefties

as it is built against righties. And personally I don't care how much Hudson struggles with that particular segment of the population as long as the resulting ERA is in the high-3's/low-4's.

Barry Zito had a 1.40 WHIP and and 1.53 K/BB.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 7:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

duuuuuude

like, no, he totally doesn't

rawk on!!111

by Matthew on Dec 5, 2006 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well

thats your opinion!

by ZeZetheX on Dec 5, 2006 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I certainly disagree with that.

He's no ace anymore, that's for sure, but he's a perfectly fine #3.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 5:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If Hudson's our #3

Starter going into next year, I won't be complaining. At all. However, this deal just seems way too good, so I'm betting on it falling through.

by Graham on Dec 6, 2006 5:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OT:

Did anybody notice that Dave Neihaus has once again been named a Frick award finalist?

Hopefully he wins it this year.

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by Goose on Dec 5, 2006 11:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

this deal is too good for the M's for is to actually happen. It would make me too happy.

by BrianV on Dec 6, 2006 6:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Adam LaRoche = Lefty Sock

I'm most excited about LaRoche in Safeco field

by dlinsley on Dec 6, 2006 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Deal with Angels for LaRoche

nixed because Stoneman wouldn't include Shields (apparently).

If true, that bodes well for this rumor as it seems like Atlanta is willing to part with him for a top line RP.

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 7:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I'm pretty sure they've explored LaRoche for Mike Gonzalez. It's clear what they're looking for in return, and Soriano fills the role nicely.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Go get Huddy

Bill,
Make the trade. Then sign Zito. Hell for good measure go get Mulder too. Since we couldnt beat Oakland last year, lets go get their best three pitchers from the last 5 years to go after the AL West! The big three reunites!

Rotation of Zito, Felix, Hudson, Mulder and Washburn (of course in about July)..so fill in Woods until then wouldnt be bad and VERY lefthanded.

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 7:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

signing Zito

would erase all the good fortune from a Hudson swap.

Barry Zito sucks

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

methinks...

a change of scenery would do him good. He's still young and still lefthanded.

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

it does tend to help pitchers out when they move from an amazingly spacious ballpark with good defenders.

But, really, I'm interested in how moving from Oakland will improve his walk rate.

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Walk rates

Are part of the park factors too, although hardly a big one. I'll get round to crunching all the numbers when I have more time, but I'm fairly sure stadiums have different effects on free passes.

by Graham on Dec 6, 2006 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

they do

but

A) it's minimal
and
B) it's the HR happy ballparks that tend to induce more walks. Oakland is not one of the places.

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

True and true

by Graham on Dec 6, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Heres what I like about Zito

12-9, 3.66 v. ANA (6-4, 2.29 @ LAA)
17-5, 3.76 v. TEX (11-1, 3.75 @ TEX)
12-2, 3.62 v. SEA (3-2, 4.06 @ Safeco)
51-30, 3.66 @ OAKLAND

Yah, we could be scared off by his 1.5 K/BB, but honestly we could sign one of the best pitchers in our league away from our rival. If we dont get him, lets just hope he doesnt end up in Arlington.

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 9:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hudson's splits

1.8 K/BB
13-6, 3.49 v. ANA (9-3, 2.90 @ Ana)
12-6, 3.32 v. SEA (7-2, 3.08 @ Safeco)
6-5, 4.01 v. TEX ( 2-4, 6.13 @ Tex)
46-15, 3.04 @ OAKLAND

1 ROY, 3 CY YOUNG, 1 MVP

I think a switch back to AL would help

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh...

Great googly moogly.

Los Dodgers cederían al derecho Brad Penny y un par de prospectos, mientras que los Marineros han ofrecido a Adrian Beltré y Richie Sexson, pero Boston insiste en incluir a uno de dos lanzadores, entre el cerrador J.J. Putz y el preparador Rafael Soriano.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

It's translated on Rotoworld for the benefit of us non-Spanish speakers:

Manny Ramirez could be traded to the Dodgers or Mariners on Wednesday, according to an ESPN Deportes reports.
The report states that the Dodgers are willing to part with Brad Penny and two prospects, while the Mariners have offered both Richie Sexson and Adrian Beltre. There's little chance of the Red Sox taking back both players from the Mariners, but they could conceivably take one along with J.J. Putz.

Source: ESPN Deportes

Please don't let this be the prelude to a whole season of Willie Boom-Boom at third base...

by Alex B on Dec 6, 2006 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

shenanigans

the Ms already have a crowded OF and DH spot and not a single person in system capable of playing 3B. I don't see them moving Beltre

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you're right

It certainly doesn't make sense to move Beltre. But does Sexson really make sense for Boston?

by Alex B on Dec 6, 2006 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not very much.

That is, unless they're going to (A) move Youkilis into the outfield (and either trade Pena or make him the 4th OF), or (B) trade Sexson to somebody else.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah, or (C)

trade Lowell and move Youkilis back to third. But still, they can do better.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

See below.

by Alex B on Dec 6, 2006 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be inclined to think (B) here

From what I've read, it seems that Boston definitely want to hold on to Pena as the jury is still out on Crisp.

So, to borrow from other rumours, this could ultimately end in some subset of LaRoche/Hudson/Lowry going to Boston.

Of course, an option (C) could be to trade Lowell, move Youkilis back to third and the put Sexson (or his trade replacement) in at first.

Oh man: even if you don't like Boston it's hard not to get excited by this sort of intrigue...

by Alex B on Dec 6, 2006 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

FOR GOD SAKES WHATS THIS SAY!!!

in english please.

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 9:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Even without all the words

I think the names pretty much tell the story.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"reply to this" is your friend

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 9:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hmm...

with all the Hudson-LaRoche talk, I'd rather do that trade, then take on Manny.

"I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON ME FINGERS!!"
--Stewie Griffin AND Josh Beckett

by Phildopip on Dec 6, 2006 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

You and me both.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

holy crap

What does the Red Sox payroll look like with this trade?

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 9:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

see the "reply to this"

under posts? click on that to nest comments.

Please.

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right now

they stand at ~$97m for seven players.

With Matsuzaka (who'll sign), it's probably ~$110m for eight players or so.

Without Manny and with Beltre/Sexson, it would be like $118m for nine.

But that deal won't happen. It doesn't make sense.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

its back to that

Red Sox Don't Use Real Money thread. I agree whole heartedly

by tkballer22 on Dec 6, 2006 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

By the way

before everyone gets carried away, remember: this rumor doesn't make any sense. It's not going to happen.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

and really

the hudson-laroche rumour is way more fun.

Manny is great and all, but Hudson-LaRoche (and keeping Jones, Putz, et al) makes our team far better.

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yah.

Believe it when it gets announced by the team.

This just doesn't pass the sniff test...for EITHER team.

by rtang on Dec 6, 2006 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dave at USSM reporting Sexson + Beltre to be bogus

by Alex B on Dec 6, 2006 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That shows you how awesome that LaRoche

trade would be. Because when I heard the Manny deal might happen instead, I felt a little dissapointed.

Aici zace un om despre care nu se ştie prea mult.

by Goose on Dec 6, 2006 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Uh huh.

They need to pounce all over LaRoche while they can.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh.

They need to pounce on LaRoche like Josh Brown pouncing on a kick returner.

"I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON ME FINGERS!!"
--Stewie Griffin AND Josh Beckett

by Phildopip on Dec 6, 2006 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you need to put a p0wn3d

on the last frame and freeze it

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sadly, it's not my GIF. I found it on Sando's site

"I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON ME FINGERS!!"
--Stewie Griffin AND Josh Beckett

by Phildopip on Dec 6, 2006 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2006 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I felt exactly the same way.

"I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON ME FINGERS!!"
--Stewie Griffin AND Josh Beckett

by Phildopip on Dec 6, 2006 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn winter meetings

negatively impacting my ability to speak mandarin

wo dei lianxi zhongwen keshi wo xiang kanshu bangqiu yao

by Matthew on Dec 6, 2006 10:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

by Goose on Dec 6, 2006 10:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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