The Good And Bad Of Jose Guillen
First, the good:
Jeremy Reed's always treated the Angels like a group of 25 guys who all slept with his underachieving left-handed girlfriend, but he's not going to be around much longer, so I'm glad Bavasi was able to add someone who hates them even more. It's about time we start getting some players who're as into this rivalry as I am. Jose Guillen may be a bit of an asshole with lousy English (the "College: None" in his profile shouldn't come as much of a surprise), but as long as he's focusing all that anger on the opposition 19 times a year, it'll be hard for me to complain.
The best part is that, back in 2005 when Scioscia and Frank Robinson exchanged antiquated verbal thrashings after Brendan Donnelly was found to be cheating, Guillen was the guy who told Robinson to have the umpire look at Donnelly's glove. I can get on board with that sort of thing. Guillen played for Anaheim in 2004 and was presumably made well aware of the fact that Donnelly has to break the rules to succeed, so the minute Donnelly took the hill the next year Guillen used that insight to his team's advantage, sending Mike Scioscia into a tizzy. Granted, Scioscia whines if his toast is too dark, but that's still one of my favorite sights to behold in all of baseball, right up there with a JJ Putz strikeout and Julio Mateo collapsing in the bullpen. Jose Guillen's going to get up for these games against the Angels, and damned if that won't light a fire under at least a handful of the other guys.
Now the bad:
I imagine a party with Jose Guillen involves Tecate by the gallon, militant graffiti, and at least one guy getting stabbed. Anyway, given that right field can only accomodate one player at a time, Guillen being there means that Chris Snelling isn't. Guillen's a good defensive outfielder (with an awesome arm if it's healthy) and he brings a right-handed bat to the table, but Snelling's the most patient hitter on the team, and reducing his role costs the team runs. You can't really slide him to DH either, not as long as Broussard's hanging around, so something has to give, and I don't want it to be Snelling's playing time.
There are ways to make this work. Trading Broussard and making Snelling the everyday DH saves about $3.5m, adds a prospect, and keeps Snelling from hurting himself in the field. Alternatively, you keep the roster intact and use Snelling as a DH/LF/RF supersub, collecting 300 at bats or so as tenth hitter. It's not ideal, but it's better than giving those AB's to Willie Ballgame.
I'd love it if Guillen were here to DH against lefties and spell Ibanez/Snelling in the corners, but if Bavasi promised him a starting job, then he wouldn't take too kindly to a demotion, and the last thing we need is for Guillen to flip out in April. After all, the chances of him murdering someone I like are far greater than the chances of him murdering someone I don't.
I suppose we should've known from the $5m guaranteed salary that Guillen wasn't here to be a semi-regular. He's going to start, and that makes me a little less happy about this than I was last night. Still, though, I like it. If he's healthy - and there's no reason why he shouldn't be, after a successful surgery - he's going to hit for power, and should he begin to struggle, then we already have a more than capable replacement on hand. And as last year's experience with Carl Everett showed, the front office isn't afraid to cut someone who isn't doing his job (even if they're a little slower on the draw than we would've preferred). The advantage of one-year contracts is that if Guillen and Thomson don't perform, they're gone. In that respect the risk is low, even if the starting situation come Opening Day isn't perfect.
At this point it looks like Guillen's going to start, but Snelling's still going to get his at bats, even if Broussard sticks around. As far as I can tell, there'll be an inverse relationship between Guillen's production and Snelling's playing time, so either way we should be happy. We just need to know that Hargrove won't be afraid to take action if Guillen sucks, but that's a whole other can of worms.
Since coming to better understand Mike Hargrove's incompetence, I've believed that Bill Bavasi has two primary jobs as GM: (1) improve the roster, and (2) make it idiot-proof. Adding Guillen accomplishes the former, but only partially addresses the latter. If this is going to work out as well as we all want it to, then barring a trade it's on Hargrove to figure out the best way to manage the Snelling situation. Cross your fingers.
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I'm optimistic that
by Matthew on Dec 3, 2006 9:13 AM PST 0 recs
And when you think about it
If Snelling survives 2007 without a single DL stint, then I'll be outraged if he isn't guaranteed a starting job the next season. Right now I'm just mildly annoyed.
by Jeff on
Dec 3, 2006 9:26 AM PST
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My system thinks
by Graham on
Dec 3, 2006 12:15 PM PST
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OF Defense upgrade
by Matthew on Dec 3, 2006 9:46 AM PST 0 recs
Guillen's PMR:
- +6.12 outs, RF (short season)
- -1.89 outs, RF
- -2.40 outs, LF
- +7.00 outs, LF/RF
by Jeff on
Dec 3, 2006 9:55 AM PST
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Defensive alignment
But I was hoping for a much different situation. The best way forward, IMO, is to move Broussard or Sexson. Obviously, moving Sexson would be ideal, but just getting one of those guys off the roster would be the way forward.
Then, move Ibanez to DH and stick Snelling in LF.
That would be the best defensive alignment. Ibanez could be moved into LF every once in a while to spell Snelling and keep him healthy.
Beyond that, I would love to see the M's call Tampa Bay about Elijah Dukes. He could come in and be that super-4th-OFer. With Guillen and Snelling both having recent (and/or chronic) injury problems, getting Dukes 300-400 ABs wouldn't be that tough.
by Jerry on Dec 3, 2006 10:03 AM PST 0 recs
Well
Its still very possible that he moves to DH
by Scruffy Lefty on
Dec 3, 2006 10:32 AM PST
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Elijah Dukes
by JLC on
Dec 3, 2006 11:06 AM PST
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We really don't have
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 3, 2006 11:11 AM PST
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Your rite
by ZeZetheX on
Dec 3, 2006 11:18 AM PST
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Exactly
Look at Chris Snellings track record of staying on the field.
Then, look at Guillen's durability over his career.
The M's need to assume that they will have to deal without at least one of those guys for at least a month.
More likely, one or both miss a good chunk of the season.
Further, the best way for the M's to avoid that situation would be to rest those two regularly. Again, having a good player on the club to fill in for them is just smart.
Finally, Dukes would be a long-term addition. Guillen is not a good bet to be playing for the M's in 2008. Dukes is ML-ready right now, but he should be starting in 2008. Perfect.
by Jerry on
Dec 3, 2006 11:50 AM PST
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that
by ZeZetheX on Dec 3, 2006 10:39 AM PST 0 recs
It just feels so right
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 3, 2006 11:12 AM PST 0 recs
The only problem
Unfortunately we're in a bit of a roster squeeze, so, yeah, I'd be happy to send Broussard somewhere else for a prospect and sign a random bat to offer depth on the bench. A Snelling/Morse psuedo-platoon at DH would be okay with me.
by Jeff on
Dec 3, 2006 11:23 AM PST
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True
Not going to happen...but Ibanez probably could fetch us a king's ransom after the year he just came off of. Ok, who am I kidding, that trade will never happen.
Trading Sexson even makes more sense now. Then you could shift either Ibanez to 1B or a platoon of Broussard/Morse that would probably do fine too.
Its just a little annoying that we are going to divide up PA away from Snelling in the end. Another thing is that you can't platoon for Jose Guillen. Its not smart. His last 3 yr splits:
vs. Left .248/.306/.434
vs. Right .285/.341/.485
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 3, 2006 11:48 AM PST
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For what it's worth
He's still not a good platoon candidate, but he's not a backwards freak of nature, either.
by Jeff on
Dec 3, 2006 11:59 AM PST
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I would say platoon neutral
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 3, 2006 12:16 PM PST
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Well, there *is* a bit of an advantage.
The productivity would be lower than a Perez/Broussard platoon, but then again it wouldn't be vulnerable to pitching changes, since neither batter shows much of a split.
Not that we're going to see a Guillen/Snelling platoon anyway, but it's an interesting thought nevertheless.
by Jeff on
Dec 3, 2006 12:22 PM PST
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I guess I didn't think about the other half
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 3, 2006 12:44 PM PST
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I'm pretty sure
Wasn't there a study once that concluded that left handed batters were much more prone to having severe split differentiation anyway?
by Graham on
Dec 3, 2006 12:19 PM PST
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on a plus note,
by Trenchtown2 on Dec 3, 2006 1:56 PM PST 0 recs
Fact-Check:
by helfgott on Dec 3, 2006 2:31 PM PST 0 recs
Oh, I know
by Jeff on
Dec 3, 2006 2:41 PM PST
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What if
I'd think Snelling's value would be reduce to many GM's because of his injury histroy. He can hit though, no-one's going to question that. I'd sooner them trade Reed, but it wouldn't surprise me if his name came up a few times during discusions, because he's a cheap, good, young hitter with some decent outfield defense. I wouldn't be totally opposed, but only if they got a good young player, preferrably SP (no relievers), and not some near replacement level bum they viewed as a good fit for some reason. I think I trust Bavasi to do anything stupid with Snelling though.
by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2006 5:03 PM PST 0 recs
However
by chrisisasavage on
Dec 3, 2006 5:09 PM PST
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Also
by chrisisasavage on
Dec 3, 2006 5:12 PM PST
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ya
by ZeZetheX on
Dec 3, 2006 5:31 PM PST
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Not to read between the lines but......
by jojo on Dec 3, 2006 5:46 PM PST 0 recs
Overlooked Scenario
I know Snelling is popular amongst the truly dedicated fans, but is it out of the realm of thinking that his extremely high strikeout rates last year both in AAA and on his callup were a sign to the club to send him back down to Tacoma to start the year to workout whatever bad habit it was that overtook him? I mean the fresh thing on the minds of the Mariners in regards to Snelling is last 60 at-bats last season where he posted a line of .183/.310/.267 add that to his Tacoma line of .216/.326/.340 and its not hard to see that they might be thinking he needs to work out whatever went wrong with the Rainiers instead of with the Mariners, where both Bavasi and Hargrove need to win now.
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 3, 2006 9:44 PM PST 0 recs
I believe he is out of options
by Goose on
Dec 3, 2006 9:51 PM PST
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I think this means Washburn gets traded
by Rev Halofan on Dec 3, 2006 10:41 PM PST 0 recs
Enh, not sure
by Graham on
Dec 3, 2006 11:25 PM PST
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Use any AAA pitcher
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 3, 2006 11:42 PM PST
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Appropriate
Also, B-Liv was designated to make room for Guillen.
by kva15 on
Dec 4, 2006 12:14 PM PST
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Hey, what you still doin' round here ;-)
Yeah. Why Pineiro is still on the 40-man is just baffling to me. Now they've exposed B-Liv? Wow.
by PositivePaul on
Dec 4, 2006 12:32 PM PST
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Great
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 4, 2006 8:59 AM PST 0 recs
I like how
by oompagooba on
Dec 4, 2006 11:30 AM PST
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Guillen
God bless you Guillen, but that might be the ugliest sentence in the histroy of the world.
by MFAN on Dec 4, 2006 10:02 AM PST 0 recs
Hmm
by Deanna on
Dec 4, 2006 12:44 PM PST
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When I can speak Spanish better than Guillen
by johnbai on Dec 4, 2006 10:26 AM PST 0 recs
Obligatory witty comment
by Graham on
Dec 4, 2006 11:10 AM PST
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Obligatory witty comment
by Rollo Tomasi on
Dec 4, 2006 5:23 PM PST
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And don't try to say you could have held
by Edgar for Pres on
Dec 4, 2006 11:18 PM PST
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Obligatory history lesson
Besides, without us, you'd all be speaking French ;)
by Graham on
Dec 4, 2006 11:26 PM PST
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Obligatory upper level history lesson
Good point about the French, although they probably would have screwed it up somehow anyway.
by Rollo Tomasi on
Dec 5, 2006 1:32 AM PST
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Without the Bering land bridge
by Jeff on
Dec 5, 2006 8:00 AM PST
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Actually
by Mariner John on
Dec 5, 2006 7:27 PM PST
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OT
by Goose on Dec 4, 2006 12:33 PM PST 0 recs
That would be so funny to me
Nutzo rumor of the week I'm currently hearing is Sexson and the contents of a Brinks truck for D-Train.
by Gomez on
Dec 4, 2006 12:47 PM PST
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Because their GM goes clinically insane
by Gomez on
Dec 4, 2006 12:50 PM PST
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Well, I suspect Dontrelle's arm is a time bomb
by Graham on
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