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Community Projection: Ichiro

The seventh in an alphabetical and irregularly updated series of seasons-in-review for each of the players we predicted last winter. (All entries are linked in the right-hand sidebar, below the LL Exclusives.)

LL Community: .329/.374/.447 (n=22)
PECOTA: .308/.343/.406
Bill James Handbook: .326/.374/.431
ZiPS: .319/.366/.429
Marcel: .317/.361/.432

Actual: .322/.370/.416

In this world, nothing is certain but death, taxes, and Ichiro's annual slump that makes everyone freak out. The following is a chronological list of Ichiro's worst months, along with his final batting averages if you exclude them:

2001: July, .268 (.366)
2002: September, .248 (.335)
2003: August, .242 (.327)
2004: April, .255 (.392)
2005: June, .243 (.315)
2006: August, .233 (.340)

Because Ichiro doesn't have a consistently bad month year-to-year, his slumps tend to take people by surprise and make them think all kinds of silly things, from "he's lost his bat control, he's useless" to "he's lost his desire to play in Seattle, he's useless." He takes an incredible amount of heat for his slumps, because when he's not going well, it looks like he isn't even trying, but that's just the thing - that's how he always looks. His record-breaking 2004 seemed every bit as effortless as his terrible August this past summer. He's been blessed with such tremendous athletic ability and grace that he does everything smoothly and succeeds while hardly breaking a sweat. There's a reason why he draws such a reaction when he gets ahead of himself and swings awkwardly at a breaking ball; your jaw drops because you never expect Ichiro to look that bad, ever. He's so reliably on top of things that people notice when he makes even the smallest mistake. I can't imagine what it'd be like if fans held Richie Sexson or Mike Cameron to the same standard. Step back for a minute to consider your level of expectations for Ichiro and you'll realize just how amazing he is.

I wonder if part of the problem is that Ichiro succeeds in such a way that he seems easily beatable, and that he's lucky to be on base. You see him leg out an infield grounder or bloop one over the second baseman and you wonder why pitchers can never figure him out, but it's precisely that ability that separates Ichiro from the rest of the crop. He's put up six consecutive seasons of 200+ "ugly" hits, and at some point you have to concede that maybe it's not all luck. Maybe Ichiro knows what he's doing after all. Forget style points; his .322 average last year is just about as good as anyone else's. Being unconventional and terrific aren't mutually exclusive.

Ichiro's success doesn't stem from good luck - it's his slumps that stem from bad luck, brief periods during which opposing defenses turn a higher percentage of his balls in play into outs than you'd expect. Sure, some of it is Ichiro's fault - he falls into the occasional flyball spell, negating his greatest strength - but the rest is just the inevitable fluctuation of a singles hitter's batting line. It's not that he isn't getting deep in the count - he never does that. It's not that he's aging - this is an annual phenomenon that disappears overnight. It's not that he isn't hitting the ball hard - Ichiro's 18.6% LD% this August was the same as it was for his entire eye-popping 2004 season. And it's not that he's giving anything less than 100% effort - that's both absurd and insulting. A few bad weeks are just part of the package, and they're well worth the fantastic final line. I don't think David Ortiz got much crap when he underachived in May, and I don't think Ichiro deserves half the criticism he gets for his own struggles. Give him time and he'll win you over.

Ichiro's unusual approach and singles-heavy batting lines have made him one of the most unique hitters in the history of baseball, making it difficult to project his performance based on comparable players. To give you an idea of what I'm talking about, PECOTA's top two Ichiro comps are Matty Alou and Lance Johnson. There's just no one who's ever played the game who even comes close to approximating what Ichiro brings to the table. His results may look similar to another guy's, but they each got there in completely different ways, and when it comes to forecasting future performance the means are more important than the ends. And so we're left with PECOTA continually undershooting his performance. Other projection systems that rely less on player comps tend to do better (kudos to ZiPS on this one), but I still think it's inherently dangerous to let a computer try and predict the future for someone so totally unique. Of course, the computers did better than the LL community here, so whatever, maybe I'm wrong, but one year of success does not an accurate projection system make. We'll see what 2007 has in store.

So I guess the only question left is, how will we know when the aging process is catching up with Ichiro? He keeps himself in spectacular shape and might be one of the healthiest 33 year olds on the planet, but eventually the wear-and-tear of 162 game seasons gets to everyone, and Ichiro won't be any exception. At some point his body just won't let him do what he wants it to do anymore, and that'll be the beginning of the end.

With that in mind, though, I'm not sure we'll be able to tell. Not from the numbers, anyway. Ichiro's groundball and strikeout rates have gotten progressively worse over the past three years, but in 2006 they were almost exactly where they were in 2003, right before he flipped out and broke George Sisler's record. So who knows? It's not like we can expect Ichiro to follow the "typical" aging process, anyway, since he's anything but a normal player. We all have our suspicions that as he gets older he'll start hitting for more power to make up for an unavoidable reduction in singles, but we don't know that for sure. The truth of the matter is that no one knows how Ichiro's going to age, and no one knows when we'll even need to start worrying about it. If speed's the first thing to go, then based on his triples, steals, and infield hit rate, Ichiro's still in the middle of his physical prime. Who's to say he won't be able to keep this up for another four or five years? If anyone's going to put in enough effort and hard work to stave off old age, it's Ichiro. It just doesn't make sense to expect someone who puts as much into every play as he does to succumb to the aging process without a fight.

It's been said that fans of bad teams tend to focus their frustration on their best players, and Ichiro - like Alex Rodriguez (ha!) - is a perfect example. Too often people see him struggle for a few weeks and immediately forget about all the good he's done (like, say, shifting to center field), and how he's come back from every single slump of his career to put up the same gaudy numbers the next month. Ichiro's not a perfect ballplayer by any means, but in terms of performance and work ethic he's the closest we've had in years, and for that he deserves praise, rather than criticism and relentless trade proposals. For as long as he's been around, Ichiro's never been one of the team's problems, and at this point I'm not sure he ever will be.

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Some guy at the USSM feed
gave me and another guy the same line about how the team ought to trade Ichiro.  Nevermind that, by moving to CF, he eliminated a lot of the issue with him: blocking the team from getting a power hitting corner OF.  And never mind the Japanese fanbase he brings to Safeco to this day.

Indeed, bad teams focus their frustrations on their best players.

by Gomez on Oct 26, 2006 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Ichiro
There is an article about him and an article about Matsuzaka on the Japanese MSN website under the sports section. If someone with a better understanding of Japanese than myself can translate it might be interesting.
Sean

by sadean62 on Oct 26, 2006 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You could be helpful and link it.
Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Oct 27, 2006 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry,

I can't find it now. But I think there is some interesting stuff here.

Sean

by sadean62 on Oct 28, 2006 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With tears in my eyes...
For that brief article on the kid that restored my faith in baseball: thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  May he play into his 40's, hitting and hitting and hitting.

Why is everything I type repeating, repeating...?

пар горячий развяжет язык...

by LouKlimchock HoF on Oct 26, 2006 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trading Ichiro
Jeff,

I think that you are sorta mischaracterizing most of the arguments people have made about trading Ichiro.  There may be people who suggest this as a knee jerk reaction to his annual slumps, or who just don't appreciate him.  But personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the M's trade him, and the reasoning is entirely economic.  

I agree with you that Ichiro does get too much criticism for his play.  He is a damn good player.  He hits, plays defense, steals bases, plays everyday, and is fun to watch.  He is a true professional.  

But there are several reasons why trading him now would be a really smart move.  

First, I think that we can all agree that the M's need to resign him this offseason.  If you look at what the market value of a guy like him is, you have to start at the contract Jonny Damon just signed - 4 years, 52 million.  I would imagine that that would be the starting point in negotiations, and since times are good for baseball clubs, he could go beyond that figure.  

Is Ichiro worth $13-14 million?  If we assume that he will play at the same level for the duration of the contract, that is still a lot of money to spend on a CF/leadoff hitter.  In my opinion, nobody with that skillset is worth that much.  

The two rarest and most expensive commodities in baseball are ace starters and run producers.  Those are cornerstone players.  That is where you want to spend your money.  Leadoff guys are much easier to come by.  Ichiro is one of the best leadoff men in baseball, but you can get 90% of the player for 50% of the money with guys like that.  Compare Ichiro with guys like Kenny Lofton and Dave Roberts.  Both of the latter are the types of guys you can pick up relatively easily, and they will give you close to the same production.  The cost/reward relationship with leadoff guys makes shelling out huge money for them a bad move.  If the M's sign Ichiro to a huge contract, they would be getting paid like a run producer.  

Second, there is the issue of whether or not he is even willing to resign.  From the information out there now, this seems like a contentious issue.  If Ichiro is leaning towards testing free agency, I think that the M's would be dumb not to trade him.  

Third, Ichiro's trade value will likely be very high.  The guy is an icon and a major draw at the box office.  Teams will likely be willing to give up a lot to get him, particularly contending teams who would be looking to resign him.  If the M's shop him around, they will be looking at a real nice package of prospects and/or a ML player who could come in and fill more pressing needs on the team.  

Fourth, CF/leadoff are both areas of strength in the organization.  I still think that Jeremy Reed has a lot of potential.  He has struggled with injuries and inconsistency, but he has only played 200 games in the past two years.  It is way too early to write him off.  If he is healthy, he is basically a poor-mans Ichiro.  If Reed flops againk, the M's have Adam Jones waiting in the wings.  He probably needs at least a half season in AAA, but he is nearly there.  Chris Snelling is another guy who could hit leadoff as well.  

Fifth, we can't ignore the possibility of decline.  Ichiro is a workout and preparation freak, and he is still in excellent condition.  But we don't really know how a guy like him will age.  My concern is that, as he loses a step getting to first, many of those infield hits will evaporate.  People seem to think that he will develop more gap power to compensate, but that is a big assumption.  If the M's sign him to a 4-year deal, they will be paying a whole lot for a 37-year-old leadoff hitter.  If the contract is 5-years, it is even more of a risk.  The possibility of decline is a huge concern.  

Sixth, if the M's do move Ichiro, they can afford to spend that $13-14 million in other areas, like bringing in a guy who can hit for power and OBP in the middle of the lineup.  I think this is the best way to approach roster construction: pay big money for the most difficult roles to fill, and bring in cheaper players to take care of the role-player positions.  It is easier to find a leadoff/CF guy for $4 million than it is to find a #3 hitter.  Spend big bucks on the latter, and find cheap alternatives for the former.  

The biggest point against trading Ichiro seems to be ticket sales.  That is a huge issue, and we as fans often tend to disregard this part of the decision making process.  But there are a lot more reasons why it might be wise to shop him around.  And Ichiro could make this decision for the club.  If he doesn't want to resign, the M's HAVE to trade him.  Letting him walk away for nothing would be incredibly dumb.  

by Jerry on Oct 26, 2006 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the best
and insightful sum ups on Ichiro I've had the pleasure of reading.
Thanks Jeff.

by Tom C on Oct 27, 2006 1:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Projection vs reality
Projection:  315/350/460.  He'll hit 20 HR and there will be no physical decline, but he will tweak his swing and drop in more of those batted balls that became fly outs last season.

Reality:  322/370/416.  Oops.  Turns out it was more of the same with fewer line drive swings and more of what made him so great: groundballs.  And there wasn't any noticeable physical decline.  In fact, he had one of his better years stealing bases.

by Gomez on Oct 27, 2006 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stealing Bases
Actually, for number of steals versus caught stealing, it was a Joe Morgan like year--i.e., almost historically good.  
We are the holler men, we are the glove men, mouthpiece filled with plug: ptoo!

by Celadus on Oct 27, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top Three
Actual: .322/.370/.416

Gold Medal
.324/.377/.433
Trev

Silver
.322/.378/.433
basebliman

Bronze
.318/.360/.435
chrisisasavage

If Trev didn't catch his math error, he would have fallen totally out of the top three and Alex Johnson would have moved up to 3rd.

by Edgar for Pres on Oct 27, 2006 8:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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