The Baseball Case For/Against Carl Everett
Everybody knows that Carl Everett is a stark raving lunatic. He's said and done some strange and terrible things in his life, and he ranks near the top of the list of abrasive malcontents who play professional baseball. On the other side of the coin, though, Everett's played for a number of good teams without causing so much as a stir, and the champion White Sox had all sorts of nice things to say about his clubhouse demeanor.
Is Carl Everett a nice guy? I don't see any reason to believe that he is, but given that nobody has any idea how much weight we should put on player personality when it comes to building a successful roster (there have been arguments made for anything from "none" to "all of it"), I thought it would be worthwhile to look at this from a strictly baseball standpoint. Why is Carl Everett a good idea? Why isn't he? How do dinosaurs tie into all this?
SIGN THE GUY!
The Mariners don't have too many requirements for the bat they're looking to add this winter - whoever it is just has to be a relatively inexpensive left-handed hitter who can play the outfield a little bit if need be. Everett meets all three.
Let's tackle these in order. Inexpensive? Everett's your guy. Depending on who you believe, he's going to wind up with a one-year commitment worth somewhere between $3-4m. The benefit is that it leaves the Mariners with a lot of money to throw at the rotation without tying them to a two- or three-year guarantee. Carl Everett isn't a long-term solution to anything, but he's one of the better options available in a thin market, and you can ditch him for somebody else next November without being on the hook for the rest of his decline phase. Short-term contracts are a wonderful thing.
Left-handed? Sort of, in that Everett's a switch-hitter who spends most of his time batting lefty. The overwhelming majority of his home runs get yanked to right field, and as a fly ball hitter, that's the kind of thing that bodes well for a successful season in Safeco Field. Everett isn't a pull hitter of the same magnitude as Jeromy Burnitz, but he's not Ichiro, either, so he could get a bit of a power boost in Seattle.
Play the outfield? Sure, why not? It obviously wouldn't be his primary role - were Everett to sign, left field would be Ibanez's job - but Raul needs a rest from time to time, and Everett has 1,098 games of outfield experience. Not only does that mean a fresher Raul Ibanez down the stretch, but it also takes some of the 4th OF responsibility away from Willie Ballgame, which can only be good for the standings.
Carl Everett is no one's ideal DH, but on a cheap one-year deal, he could do some good things for the Mariners and help them towards a playoff push.
I'D LIKE TO ISSUE A PRE-EMPTIVE DECREE OF DAMNATIO MEMORIAE
Two years ago, Carl Everett might've looked like a good idea. 217 games and 593 outs later, though, not so much. He's a platoon player in the middle stages of a well-established decline, his body no longer capable of holding up under the wear and tear of a Major League season. His acquisition would do little, if anything, to help the Mariners win more games.
Where do you start? Everett hit .251/.311/.435 last year in something of a hitter's paradise, collecting the majority of his at bats as a DH because he can't play defense anymore. The year before, he put up a .260/.319/.402 batting line in roughly 300 plate appearances, too, so it's not like this is a one-time thing. Could he rebound? Sure, it's possible, but it's unlikely - Everett turns 35 next June, an age at which not even the spectacularly anomalous Bret Boone could maintain his sudden career revival. Everett was once a fairly athletic guy, and looked like he might age well, but now his body is something of a bloated mess, and there exists the distinct possibility that he's on the brink of total collapse. The odds of decline have to be considered greater than the odds of improvement, here. Safeco could mask some of that, but even then, we're estimating that he ends up breaking even with his 2005 batting line.
To make matters worse, Everett can't touch left-handed pitchers, meaning that you'd either be coughing up outs in crucial games against division rivals, or paying him to play in a max of 115-120 games. His career OPS is 17.6% worse against southpaws than it is against righties, which starts to look worse and worse the more a player declines. I'm not saying it's that hard to find a DH platoon mate who can hit lefties a little bit, but it's certainly an inconvenience.
Of course, could we even depend on Everett to be healthy when we need him to be? Since finally breaking into the league in 1995, he's played in an average of just 72% of his team's games, never surpassing 147 in a season. He was reasonably healthy for last year's White Sox, but his lower body has always been a problem, with nagging hamstring and groin problems flaring up from time to time and almost completely sapping him of his footspeed and agility. If you sign Carl Everett to be an everyday player (or close to one, anyway), you need to have a replacement in mind, because that guy's all but guaranteed to stumble into considerable playing time.
Because Everett's range has, for all intents and purposes, disintegrated to the point of negligibility, he can't come in and contribute anything in the field - rather, he forces Raul Ibanez into an outfield corner 140 times a year, which isn't good news for a pitching staff that's going to need all the help it can get in a big ballpark with lots of room for fly balls. On top of that, you still have to deal with the fact that a guy who put up a .745 OPS a year ago is your regular DH. Since 2000, the league-average DH has hit .264/.345/.447, meaning that Everett would have to experience a significant career rejuvenation just to provide average production. That's bad. You know how you always hear guys talking about players in the minors who can hit, but who can't play the field for beans? Those guys are everywhere - everywhere - and several of them could probably provide better offense than Carl Everett.
See, nobody should be comparing Everett to other available corner outfielders - they should be comparing him to everyone capable of swinging a bat, since that's all the Mariners would be asking him to do in 2006. What do you expect from a replacement-level DH? Something like .250/.300/.400? Does Everett really represent a $3-$4m improvement on that kind of performance? All you really need to do is sign the next Bucky Jacobsen for the league minimum and try to act surprised when he equals or exceeds Everett's batting line. Here's one candidate. There are tons of others.
Signing Carl Everett isn't going to kill the team; that kind of thing doesn't happen with one-year contracts. However, it's unlikely to make the Mariners any better, and in that respect Bill Bavasi might be better off using the $3-$4m to build a really impressive fort out of ermine sofa cushions. It's the dreaded lateral step - by itself, it's not a real big deal, but these kinds of things add up, and before long you finish the season two games out, wondering what you could've done different.
This guy's far more likely to create problems than he is to solve any. Avoid Carl Everett. He's all downside.
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Someone Had To Do It
Everett while not a big time signing wouldn't be a useless cog in the machine either. Now while its true that Everett's overall numbers were quite Meh in the grand scheme of things, looking at his splits closely, you have to notice that for whatever reason he bit the big one in the hitter friendly confines of Chicago's home stadium, to a tune of .217/.285/.438.... so that means his away numbers were .282/.334/.431.
Now while those away numbers in an above themselves are spectacular his .766 Ops last year on the road would have made him the 4th most productive hitter on the M's going strictly by road numbers.
Now Everett may be losing something in the field, but he's not going to be playing a premium defensive position in LF... and rotating into DH.
Even though Everett doesn't hit left handers very well, finding a platoon partner for him means keeping a Morse or someone like that in a backup role to face the occasional left handed starter. Gives experience to a young guy, and keeps Everett rested as well.
Finally, one of the big complaints about the M's is that they haven't had any one in the clubhouse to kick butts and challenge people. Well the one thing that Carl Everett will bring to the club is a take no guff attitude.. quite often its over the top, but if that attitude lights a fire under some of the younger guys, then its just an added bonus.
Butt-kicking only works if...
by KC @ Lookout Landing on Dec 13, 2005 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
and yet
So basically he's like pretty much every Mariner fan right now... not a big fan of management and speaks out against them.
The M's have had similar versions... Jeff Nelson has acted like Everett when it comes to management... Nelson has even had run ins with Fans...
So again.. I could care less if he's selfish, if he believes in little green men.. or what.. If he produces on the field that's what he's being paid for... if he becomes a detriment to the team... then like others before him he'll be jettisoned.
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 13, 2005 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I hate to support Everett
"if"
This is all the same BS I heard about Ruben Sierra in 2002 ("Hey, he's a veteran bat who can help fill in for a year!"), and in the best case scenario, it plays out the same way: you get an empty .270 hitter who's bad in the field and a poor DH when compared to anyone else.
In the worst case scenario, he does a Scott Spiezio/Jeff Cirillo style belly flop (very possible due to age), except instead of whining about playing time he goes Crazy Carl instead. To the tune of 3-4 million dollars, which could well be the difference between Scott Elarton and Kevin Millwood's salary this year.
This isn't Rogers Hornsby or Ted Williams we are talking about here- where the talent justifies the asshole factor. And comparing to Jeff Nelson IS apropos- because Nelson didn't help a bad team win in 2005 because while he's marginally useful, he's not very useful or enough to push anyone over the hump, and Everett isn't going to improve a bad team in 2006; at best he stops some bleeding, which we also could do pulling random guys like Aaron Guiel or Ben Grieve off the street and giving them shots. So why risk any headaches?
by eponymous coward on Dec 14, 2005 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I understand your point, but...
On the other hand, I don't believe Jones is the answer either. Unless we can add a Mench or Wilkerson type player, which would be difficult given our lack of depth, I don't really think we should do anything. Save the money for pitching.
by KC @ Lookout Landing on Dec 13, 2005 11:30 PM PST reply actions
This is the type of trade...
mlb.com
"PHOENIX -- It appears the Diamondbacks and White Sox are close to a deal that would send Javier Vazquez to Chicago in exchange for pitcher Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez and highly regarded outfielder Chris Young."
by KC @ Lookout Landing on Dec 13, 2005 11:35 PM PST reply actions
was just reading that
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 13, 2005 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'll say it again.
It's a good point
What do you think Nomar would cost? He can hit when healthy. Or over at USSM, somebody (sorry forgot your name) posted a list of 24 guys who were either MiFA or blocked would had favorable hitting projections and were cheap. Why doesn't Bavasi have someone to bring that idea to his attention? And if he does, why is he ignoring it? 3-4 million isn't much, but it's more than the difference (albeit also with an extra year or two) between Washburn and Millwood. Or Washburn and a better bench. Or just something else.
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth...
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by PositivePaul on Dec 14, 2005 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
But, then again...
by PositivePaul on Dec 14, 2005 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Hi Jeff
by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2005 7:06 AM PST reply actions
born from desperation
by KC @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2005 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like the signing either
- For everyone who continue to press Shin-Soo Choo as an option in LF... Choo is nowhere near major league ready. He looked helpless and lost at the end of last year. Guys on the verge of contributing next season don't freeze up and stare at hittable called strikes, or take the Family Circus route around the outfield during a routine fly. Morse might be more competent, but expecting anything more than replacement level play out of him isn't realistic given his lukewarm minor league numbers, his defensive struggles in '05 and how quickly he cooled at the plate after his hot start.
- Agreed on the circumstances: the idea that he has to 'soul-search' to consider leaving his home and play across the country all year for a guy as troubled as Carl is a bit troubling. It just doesn't work for Carl in so many ways, plus much of our fanbase is ready to roast the guy before his first AB. In most other circumstances he was to a great extent welcomed and THEN wore out his welcome. And most of those clubs were decent or winning teams with a fighting chance at the postseason.
- Actually, several of us have looked at the current roster compared to last year's Opening Day, and we're already far better than we were then. Gone: The Boone, Wilson Valdez, Player A, Aaron Sele, probably Ryan Franklin, hopefully Gil Meche, Dave Hansen, Olivo, (much as it pains me to put it this way) Dan Wilson. The guys that replaced them have shown they can hit better and given our starting pitchers last year were below replacement level, I can't imagine whoever we bring in to pitch could do much worse (yeah, even Scott Elarton). I didn't even mention Johjima. Without any additions and without any improvement from Reed, Betancourt, Lopez or Beltre, and even with a Kaz Matsui-like performance from Johjima, this club has a shot at .500.
Pressing concerns
by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2005 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
It makes no sense to me either
I see your reasoning on LF. Platooning Choo and Morse 50/50 with Morse facing some of the better righty starters, to build Choo's confidence, wouldn't be a terrible idea.
And love the new sig quote. I also can't believe what Padilla said about playing for Texas.
Why not
I've been kind to Bavasi in the last year or so. But this is the kind of signing that gets the "fire" chants started. If he follows this up with trading Jeremy Reed, and we have an outfield of Ibanez, Ichiro (in center - Finnigan now reports he's willing), and Everett, Bavasi does not deserve a career in baseball.
Pitchforks and Torches
by PositivePaul on Dec 14, 2005 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
It's all about the Posse's
After their brief love affair a few years back when Moyer and Everett shared a moment with each other's prostate, as Everett rounded the bases after a long ball, the two have teamed up to fight cancer and raise awareness of unchecked testicles.
Maybe we should do this
but change it to say if the Mariners sign Carl Everett we will kill a cute bunny.
I've thought about it
Plus, if anybody says that they aren't going to go to Mariner games anymore because management didn't do what you want, I'm calling your bluff right now. Throughout your life you will need to learn to deal with not getting everything you want and you might as well start now. Am I disappointed that we got Everett instead of more interesting players? Yes. Does it mean that the Mariners are signifigantly worse getting Everett compared to Player B? No.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2005 11:41 AM PST reply actions
Seriously, dude.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2005 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I meant
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2005 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Not the point
It's not a "bad" signing the way Russ Ortiz was a bad signing, but it's still dumb. Less dumb is still dumb.
Yeah
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2005 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
RE
by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2005 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
It's not about...
his wife is who beat his kids
It says...
My Dad Spanked me with a belt
This is all irrelevant to what the M's hired him to do.... play baseball.
Personally I prefer to not worry about what he has done away from the field, what he's been accused of, or what he believes in. Alot of people have much different beliefs as well as beliefs in what actions are and aren't appropriate. If he gets out of line then I'm sure the M's will handle it.
I doubt there would be outrage if the M's signed Barry Bonds and he's no model citizen either. So for me... I'll deal with the baseball side of the signing and not the person that he is side of it. There are a billion bad apples in baseball, Everett just happens to be more well known for it than others.
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 14, 2005 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
EXACTLY!
Not a damn thing.
I was also spanked with a belt as a kid, and I probably deserved.Hell I've spanked my little brother a few times.Not abuse in my book.
But thats not the point, the point is that none of it has to do with playing baseball, which is what he's being paid to do.
Agreed...
The team's gone from signing "meh" players who are Boy Scouts to signing "meh" players who are asshats. That's not an improvement, in my book.
The bottom line, though, is that Dave's right at USSM: he won't stay in the lineup if he's a disaster, and he'll end up getting a Scott Spiezio/Bret Boone "thanks, but get your .180-hitting, clubhouse-poisoning ass out of our clubhouse" release come June if he's a trainwreck. The problem is we don't get that 3 million back, and if I'm seeing Jeff Weaver or Scott Elarton on the mound instead of Kevin Millwood because of some bizarre desire to have Carl Everett on our team...well, odds are this will be one of the last mistakes Bavasi gets to make as a Mariner GM.
by eponymous coward on Dec 14, 2005 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
if Kevin Millwood doesnt sign here
Drive me nuts to hear people say things like that.
The guy is a tool...
by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2005 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Ok sorry
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2005 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
he was charged
Speaking of tools...
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2259278
by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2005 4:36 PM PST reply actions
Agreed, thats redicolous
First steroids...
Maybe the Cubans can do like...
by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2005 5:30 PM PST up reply actions

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