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Okay, fine.

I know most of you guys hate my guts. So let me try to fix it. What should I do? I'm serious about this.                                                  

                                                                                                         

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Before you post, consider what reaction your words might incur in your fellow LLers. If, for example, you feel inclined to bitch about Wlad Balentien not adding you on Myspace, remember that A) Myspace isn't cool B) You are not cool* and C) Wlad is the man. We will then mock you.

Basically, stop writing stupid shit and start with the damage control. Your reputation for being hilariously wrong all the time will take a while to go away - it's just like it'd take a lot of posts by me containing nothing but sweetness and light to stop people expecting me to be an asshole.

And John Olerud likes beer.

by Graham MacAree on Aug 1, 2007 2:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Hell, I'm the wrong person to consult here.
Since I'm hated by several people around here, I probably shouldn't give you any advice. Yet, for whatever goddamn reason, I feel obliged to write something.

Of course, I'm buzzed as a fucking bitch who's one drink away from sucking cock like a high-class escort, so that must account for something.

Anyway, my advice would be to quit posting lame shit that makes people want to take shots at you. It's not a matter of coming up with shit that concurs with everyone, but rather forming your disagreements in a coherent manner.

Hell, that'll at least make it more difficult for the other posters to flat-out abhor you. Also, I'd suggest taking a few weeks off -- as well as another name change -- to allow yourself the possibility to start over anew here.

All right, I'm going to go eat my Banquet TV dinner -- so fuck you Brian Robinson -- and take a break from this joint.

by AK1984 on Aug 1, 2007 2:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't actually hate you
I just want to find your English teacher and execute them for crimes against humanity.

by Graham MacAree on Aug 1, 2007 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

AK, we don't have you. We were just highly
annoyed with the retarded rosterbation.

AK, your an asshole. So is Graham. And because of that I respect you both. And I'd drink a beer with you both. Carry on.

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Aug 1, 2007 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

have=hate
fuck me
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Aug 1, 2007 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two words of advice
Don't be so preachy (see the beer thread).

Don't do annoying things on other teams' blogs.

by Mariner John on Aug 1, 2007 2:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Alright, its 0330, and I can't sleep, so I've had
a few shots of scotch to try to fix that situation.

Coach my man. First off, you gotta quit being an immature dumbfuck. Seriously, act cool man. Brett and I were discussing this a while back, you probably aren't very popular in school am I right? Actually no, wrong choice of words. Who gives a shit if your popular. Popular isn't shit. So long as people respect you, your fucking golden.

Now listen to me man. Just quit being a dumbshit. Like, arguing with Jeff over stupid petty bullshit. Cause fucking Jeff, he's the man around here. It's his fucking house man, he's the fucking big man around here. So don't argue with him over stupid shit, cause then you look like a goddamn dick.

And quit pissing off those fucks over at HH. Yeah, they may be dirt fucking angel fans, but its their fucking house man. How would you like it if a Yankee fan came in here talking shit all the time? We'd be freaking pissed. Fucking Yankee fucks anyways. Yeah, that's what you look like when you do that. You make the rest of us look fucking bad. Knock it the fuck off.

Just quit acting fuckin gimmature. Don't give me that bullshit about how old tyou are. I don't give two fucking shits. I wasn't that fucking stupid at that age. You shouldn't be either.

Seriously man, do you act like this in real life? I should in the fuck hope not.

Anyywas, thats all I got to say right now. I might come up with more tomorrow. Who fucking knwows.

HA! I'm fucking take shots while bitching to Coach Ownes, the alchol is bad bitch. IRONY! I'm fucking hilarious! night nihght

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Aug 1, 2007 3:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Ok, so maybe it was more than a few.
But hey, it worked, I was able to get to sleep finally.
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Aug 1, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Now son...
you don't want to drink beer. That's for daddies, and kids with fake IDs."

by Shawk on Aug 1, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, dude
I've been visiting this site for a while, but I don't post much.  I've read a lot of your stuff and for the most part don't think you're that bad a guy, hell, you're just a kid.  Though by acting so holier than thou (the beer thread) and like a total know it all, you have been asking for the shit that people have been giving you.  

Bottom line - I'm guess I'm not really saying anything that Goose didn't but just be cool man. And leave HH alone, you only make all M's fans look bad by spouting stupid shit over there.

In the immortal words of Bill and Ted -
Be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!!!

by coolguyrob on Aug 1, 2007 4:24 AM PDT reply actions  

My Thoughts
While Goose, Graham, AK, and coolguyrob pretty much covered all the bases ill just post this for pure repetitiveness.

First, think before you post. This is very key.  Why did you even post that Wlad diary? did you think we would all feel your sorrow because wlad didnt add you as a friend.  Why would you even ask him 10 times. Your requests were probably as ill thought out as many of your posts here are. Even this diary you come off as desprate for acceptance.

Second, think before you post again, use the preview button and actually read what you are posting.  I start to post comments or diary entries and after hitting preview and reading what i typed decide to scrap it because i didnt like how it sounded or came out.  

Third, dont be such a judgemental dillhole.  That beer post i said was funny is due to its retardedness.  I could actually picture you jumping up and down screaming haveing a tantrum like a 4year old who didnt get to go to mcdonalds.  Guess what people drink beer, somke ciggs and do drugs, they dont need a lecture from some teenager on the health benefiets of it.

Fourth, dont be a spastic jackass here or on any other sites like HH.  You not only make yourself look like a first class asshole but any site you are affialted with as well(like this one).  On the internet you are judged by what you type if you come off like a retarded assclown then people will assume you are one.

Allright, thats it i suggest you read all these replies from top to bottom again just so this gets hammered into your head.

Spider pig, spider pig does whatever a spider pig does.

by wadswerth on Aug 1, 2007 6:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Three things
  1. Don't troll other team's SN blogs. That makes all of us look bad.
  2. Think before you post. The MySpace-Wlad example is a good idea, as is your rant yesterday about how the trading deadling is another example of an east coast bias.
  3. Don't act silly. I'm thinking back to when we were all in a chatroom organizing Goose's fantasy league, and you kept playing with different sounds.
A lot of your posts are completely fine, and hey, you're also only a kid. But keep in mind that 99% of the posters here are older than you, so you're going to have to act better than your age.

by Katal LM on Aug 1, 2007 6:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I think, this is what you should do
Drink 10 shots or so of Wild Turkey, then wear a big pink dress while dancing down Pike street listening to Tiptoe through the Tulips on an oversized ghetto blaster that you carry on your shoulder.  It would also help to wear a sombrero and clown shoes while doing so.  Make sure you video tape it, put it on YouTube, and post a Diary of it for us to see.  We'd love ya for that.  I promise.

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

First and foremost
Coach, Will, whatever:

I give you massive amounts of credit for asking the question in the first place.  Most people, when painted into that sort of corner, just keep flailing away and can't understand why they're constantly made a pariah, and you are at least trying to avoid repeating the same mistakes over and over.  that takes a lot of pride-swallowing from anybody, and to have it come from someone your age is impressive.  Seriously.

Now, on to your question.  The best advice I can give is something I heard in relation to the NFL, which I don't even like that much.  But, that's how good the advice is, it comes from a source I don't like and yet I take it seriously.

NFL rookies are told (or at least they used to be told), when they score a touchdown, to "act like they've been there before".  

In other words, don't make a fuss, don't be a jerk, just hand the ball to the ref and get on with it.

And that's the advice I'd give you here, and in life in general.  Act like you've been here before - don't be a jerk, don't get all self-righteous, and above all, understand when not to post something (the Vlad thread is the perfect example).

Not every thought needs a post, and the key is knowing when NOT to speak.  Understand where that line is, and you'll be fine.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 1, 2007 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Ehh...
If you really were being serious you'd already know how to "fix it" and wouldn't need to post a diary regarding this.

by ThundaPC on Aug 1, 2007 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey
Just remember these:

Don't get in a fluster.

Don't care what others think, including Wlad.

Try and take constructive critisism for what it is, constructive.

Take non-constructive critisism for what it is, some jerk being a jerk.

Think before you post.

It's OK to disagree.

I hope nobody actually hates you, I don't.

Opinions are like as...  Never mind, I think you get it.

And please, please, please dance down Pike in a pink dress and video tape it for us.

...

I remember what it's like to be young and be online.  I'd go on BBS's are talk trash to everyone in every forum.  I was much worse than you.  I got banned from soooo many BBS's.  Ah, to be young again.  I haven't exactly been a non-troll as an adult either.  Some of my posts on this site are as troll as troll gets, and if anyone remembers Derek Smart and the Battle Cruiser episodes on the usenet, try and figure out which regular I was.  I loved it when somebody gets riled and starts calling me stuff.  I try not to be that guy anymore though, and try for intellegent discussion (for the most part, lately I've been in haha mode though).

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

OK, I give
WARNING: By following this link there are no guarentees you will not be scarred for life.  Just consider it fair warning.

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=dsmart666

There you go.  My idea of online fun in my early twenties.  Remember as annoying as some of you find Coach, things can always be worse.  Much worse.  

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two possibilities
Either you really are a troll... that is, you aren't some freshfaced optimistic fanboy at all.  You're actually a 40ish overweight sex-predator who delights in screwing with us all by playing this persona.  In which case... you've been having a great run.  Nice job.  You really get people worked up, which is what trolling is all about.

or

You really are an optimistic youngster who accidentally wound up on this blog.  But see... this is a blog for assholes.  After you posted a serious question, most people wrote shitty things back to you... because that's what assholes do.  And you really aren't an asshole.  Hanging out at LL is like wandering into the x-rated section of a video store (are you old enough to remember video stores? it's what people did before Netflix.)  Suddenly, instead of being surrounded by optimistic people trying to snag the latest Tom Hanks movie, suddenly you're surrounded with creepy jerks who debate whether bukkake (check wikipedia if you don't know) or Ichiro is the greatest Japanese contribution to society.

If you've ever seen the Team America movie... there are 3 kinds of people in the world.  Dicks, pussies and assholes.  To put up with the assholes, you have to agree with them or be a dick and try to fuck them.  But in a room full of dicks and assholes, there's just no room for pussy.

by johnbai on Aug 1, 2007 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

don't troll at other teams' blogs
thats about it. you can't really be more mature just by trying and I know I, and I think I speak for most people, act way different than I did even at 18, much less 15/16.

I don't really care about the weird ass nonsense you post sometimes. Hell, at least it's not boring like some things, but the trolling elsewhere really bugs me because it reflects poorly on all of us as a fanbase and a blogosphere in particular.

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2007 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Umm, Hate?
If somebody develops an emotion like "hate" over blog/diary discussions, then we all have serious problems.  Additionally, if you are worried about how people from an electronic world feel about you, you have more important things to be worried about.

My only advice, one that took me too many years to understand and fully appreciate:

"Make life meaningful for yourself and others."

That happens in the real world, not here.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Aug 1, 2007 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

huh?
how is the internet any less real than the "real world?"

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about
people who live in their mom's attic or in the trailer on their front lawn??

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta be the basement
because there's not enough room in the trailer to store all the Star Trek and Monty Python scripts.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 1, 2007 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah
and for all their D&D miniatures.

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

alright
"What's you address?"

"Can I borrow $50?"

"Hey, do you have a sister I can date?"

How much of knowing me in person affects you in answering those questions?

The internet is much less than the real world.  

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Aug 1, 2007 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

...what?
can I get an internet translation of that? I don't speak real.

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2007 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah!
We are having a discussion about etiquette, and a poster is asking how he can change himself to fit in.  

That is proof the internet is much much less than the real world.  

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Aug 1, 2007 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

because
people never change themselves to try and fit in with a group in real life?

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2007 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

before we continue on
Are you joking around with the replies, or are you serious?
Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Aug 1, 2007 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm
I'm serious about the real world statement from "Alright"

Joking from this parent thread "Hah!"

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Aug 1, 2007 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me count the ways
Online, you're completely anonymous - there's a billion guys named "matthew" in the world.  you could be anybody, and possessed with that knowledge, you can be, say, and do anything you want online - you're not constrained by politeness, social norms, or anything, because you don't need to be.  Nobody can find you.

Ever hear of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?

In reality, Jeff Sullivan will not drive his car with a McLaren dummy in the passenger seat off a cliff.  But it makes for good internet.  That's one of the differences.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 1, 2007 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

you can say the same things in "real"
"life" as you type on the internet.

It's just a different medium of communication.

It's like saying newspapers are more "real" than radio because they're written down.

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2007 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure you can...
You can say the same things in real life, but most don't.  Read the average game thread here, and then imagine having that as a conversation with your parents, or in a room full of people you've never met before, that you don't know if they share your views or not.

It's not that one's right and one's wrong, it's just that there are vastly different norms to face-to-face communication than there are online.  Etiquette and courtesy still count for something in the real world, but on the Internet they tend to go out the window because of the instancy of the medium.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 1, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong comparison and true
1. The game threads have nothing akin with talking with strangers. Most of us are at least internet familiar with each other and to a point, we know what's appropriate in the game threads (nearly everything).

Here's a better comparison. Would you go to a baseball game in person and say the things that you say in a game thread here? Answer: Yes. In fact, as a group, we're probably more harsh in "reality".

2. While it's true that face-to-face values things like courtesy more, that, like you say, doesn't make the internet wrong, and like I'm saying, any less "real". FWIW, It's a lot easier to instantly call BS on things said on the internet b/c you can fact-check instantly.

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, that's my point
Most of us are at least internet familiar with each other and to a point, we know what's appropriate in the game threads (nearly everything).

What's appropriate in a game thread is really not something that's appropriate in any other setting where you're not 100% sure who you're talking with.  I can't imagine sitting at my desk and saying most of the stuff in the game threads to my co-workers; if I was with all my friends, sure, but not to people that I don't know well.

And that's the difference, to me, between the internet and the real world - I don't know anybody here personally, but I'm pretty sure after reading for so long that I know your senses of humor, and subsequently what I can get away with saying.  I don't have that same sense (and subsequently would not speak quite as outrageously) when I'm standing in a room (or sitting in a bar) with people I've never met.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 1, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

so how does that make the net any less real?
because that's my only beef. I don't discount that the internet is different from face-to-face communication, but I disagree with any attempts to marginalize what communication does exist over the 'nets.

by Matthew on Aug 1, 2007 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously,
can we just bury this diary?

by seattlesundevil on Aug 1, 2007 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah trolling is my biggest issue with you
The M's have the most esteemed blogosphere in sports and it does us all a disservice when you make us look like a bunch of idiots.

I find the occasional Coach Owensesque thread to be hilarious at times, but you need to know how to cut your loses when its clear that you are losing.

by Robert on Aug 1, 2007 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Do what I do
I read this place religiously, but I post scarcely.  Ya'll don't know me.  That's fine with me.  I have other message boards I live on, and I come here for news.  Not everything posted deserves a reply.  You just gotta know how to pick your spots.

think before you post.  I'm not a well known member, so most of my posts are rather neutral.  I'm not about to call out jeff, or any of the other regulars, because who do you think the majority of posters would back up?

It might take awhile to change your reputation, and we'll probably rip on you still, but remember, it's all in good fun.  it's OMGZ T3H INTERNETZ SRSLY, don't take shit too personal.

by mariners124m on Aug 1, 2007 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

OMG WTFZ0RZ
PARADOXXXXX

by mariners124m on Aug 1, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

See Coach
We hate you because even a benign post seeking help has inadvertantly lead to the demise of the internet.  Now every post ever written must be replied to and those replies replied to in an infinate loop until the internet ceases to exist.  Why couldn't you just leave alone.

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

right
like this reply does not need to be here

by mariners124m on Aug 1, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

No it doesn't
Dammit!  you caught me in your cunning trap!  CURSES!
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 1, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tom Lampkin rocked.
Let's not needlessly sully good names.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 1, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup
Lampkin and Gipson should have been the #1 and #2 MVP vote getters, not bums like Ichiro, Boone, Giambi, and A-Hole.

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG!
Stan Javier would turn over in his grave!
Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Aug 1, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The smurfs are dead to me
because I ate them.  Mmmmmmmm, smurfs.

by chrisisasavage on Aug 1, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be honest
It might be to late to change, it's really hard to change a reputation, especially on a blog.  Even if you wrote a 1,000 word diary breaking down the mechanics of Ichiro's swing, we'd still probably make fun of you.

I think the problem is you take it too seriously, trust me...no one hates you.  We just pick on you because you make it so easy.  Don't try and be something your not, just be yourself and have fun.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Aug 1, 2007 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly.
We're not curing cancer, here, we're talking about baseball.  Baseball's a game, it's supposed to be fun.  Relax, crack a (root) beer, and just have fun.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Aug 1, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

and just because someone's views don't match yours
don't be an asshole and think your shit doesn't smell.

by TyranT on Aug 1, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

was that directed at me?
or Owens/Thompson/Coach?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Aug 1, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was
just making sure.

oh and just for fun...Olerud Sucks.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING JOHNNY MAC?!?!

by MFAN on Aug 1, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was for coach
i mean... we all know the notorious beer thread debacle.

by TyranT on Aug 1, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm
Having crash landed into several forums myself with a combative bang, only to watch things implode, I will say it's going to take you quite some time and good behavior to undo much of the negative sentiment.  That's just the way it is.  It's already been said: you're probably not a bad guy. But you certainly have done quite a bit to annoy readers for a variety of reasons that have been made clear by others at some point or rather.

Some things.

  • Don't try so hard.  People can tell when you're clamoring for attention or acceptance, and ironically, it pushes people away.
  • Watch and read.  Don't necessarily look for a reason to post.  Try to post in response to what others are discussing.
  • If you're gonna agree or disagree, be sure to a) question yourself before you question the guy you're responding to.  If a guy says something you don't agree with, say, 'Desi Relaford is a bad player', before you shoot off a response that says 'NO HE ISN'T!' go and maybe look up his stats or something, and see if that statement is correct or not.  If they're right, hey, you learned something! If it turns out you can argue to the contrary with some present day data, mention it.  Linking it helps.
Which leads to: b)state some credible reasons for believing what you do.  'I think he's awesome!!11' isn't quite there. Neither is 'He was so good 5 years ago!11'  You know what the score is here and the valid criteria for judging players and performance.  Work with that.  Speak everyone's language, and they'll start to see what you're getting at.

In the end, brevity is the soul of wit.  Exercise some judgment in when to post.  Even people like Jeff and Thingray and Goose and MFAN and I and others who post a whole bunch exercise some judgment in posting.  If there was an easy, catch-all way to determine when this was, I'd just post a link to the manual.  But there isn't.  Use trial and error, but don't overdo it.

by Gomez on Aug 1, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I lurked for 10 months before I registered
Then posted sparingly for the next 10 months before I became a regular. This time allowed me to observe how this site works and what tone to take while posting.

by Robert on Aug 1, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hear hear...
I was going to add something last night, but Gomez here pretty much covered all of it and then some, specifically the point about trying too hard.  It does repel people more than one might often think.

And, furthermore, trying to derail conversations or take them off in some other direction that's opposed to what everyone else has on their mind... that's a big no-no.  The prime example brought up by everyone by now is the beer thread, where Coach misconstrued a general beer appreciation thread as advocating teenage drinking, driving while impaired, and various other self-destructive activities, when that just wasn't the case.

Don't come in expecting to make a point so good that everyone will agree with you, and then freak out when that doesn't happen.  Dialogue doesn't happen like that, ever, or at least the good kind won't.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett

by JY on Aug 1, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Coach
It's a message board.  Who cares if no one likes you?  Post whatever the hell you feel like posting, no one is being forced to read it.

by Dylan @ Lookout Landing on Aug 2, 2007 6:10 AM PDT reply actions  

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