It's Spring Training For Me, Too
And this whole "game every day" thing is still a little weird. Gotta shake off the rust.
Anyway: Mariners 8, Brewers 7. Matt Thornton got to do something I hope we never see again - start - before giving way to Kevin Appier, who gave way to Jake Woods, who gave way to George Sherrill, who gave way to the end of the game. Somehow, Appier was the best of the bunch, while Sherrill was the worst. I hate Spring Training so much.
If Gil Meche's oblique injury is any worse than Rick Griffin says it is, then that really puts the team in a hell of a tough spot to start the year. Gil would have to heal up and re-gain his arm strength, leaving a temporary rotation spot to one of Jesse Foppert, Kevin Appier, Jeff Harris, Clint Nageotte, and Dave Burba. Color me less than excited, for the following reasons:
Appier: Sucks and is old
Burba: Sucks more, is older
Harris: Rate stats pretty much the opposite of what you'd like
Foppert: Velocity isn't where it needs to be, has to prove himself again after getting hurt
Nageotte: Tons of work to do on his control, didn't start a single game in Tacoma last year
It didn't take long for the lack of organizational depth to become apparent. Faced with the prospect of entering the season with a rotation consisting of five guys with pretty big question marks, the Mariners did nothing to address their depth concerns, and now they're left having to hope that, for the first time in his career, Gil's injury isn't serious (it probably isn't, based on what we've been told, but you know what I mean). That's a bad policy at the best of times, and the odds are good that it's going to end up being one of a few major reasons why the team falls short of winning 90 games. Players get hurt, and good organizations are able to deal with it without losing too much ground. Right now, the Mariners don't look very prepared for the (practically) inevitable.
I'm going to be honest with you - if Gil has to miss more than a week or two, and we have to pick a starter out that group to start the season, I'm not really sure which way I'd go. I guess Foppert would be okay, in that he's not any of the other guys, but I'd so much rather be able to wait and see how he performs in Tacoma before calling him up. I'm not real big on the idea of bumping him to Seattle in April, because I don't think he's quite ready to be effective. Still, if the team does end up having to make a choice, I suppose "least terrible" is as valid a reason as any for picking one guy over another. Please, Gil, hurry back.
My brain is actively trying to figure out a way to travel back in time to the point at which it contained only a preschooler's education, so that at the very least it could pretend like it didn't see this coming.
If that Hargrove quotation doesn't do it for you, then try this one on for size, where he offers his justification for having three of his top lefty relievers - Thornton, Woods, and Sherrill - all pitch in the same game:
If that's the case, then Sherrill's getting a raw deal. Perhaps Hargrove's fantasy is a bullpen at equilibrium, where none of the guys are too good or too bad, and they all bring identical attributes to the table since each individual is nothing but an aggregate of everyone else. Maybe Thornton can pitch in the same game as Felix and learn to throw right-handed. Don't ever let anyone tell you that the Mariners aren't pushing the frontiers of science.
Felix, Soriano, Mateo, and Carvajal tomorrow, against Milwaukee at 3:05pm EST.
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Oh. My. God.
FWIW, Thornton's throwing strikes for a change.
Why not?
by eponymous coward on Mar 7, 2006 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
So whatever happened to Harris
HARRIS LIVES!
On Wednesday, Jamie Moyer will start versus San Francisco with RHP Jeff Harris, RHP J.J. Putz and southpaw Travis Blackley slated to get work as well.
He has pitched already this spring...
God damn.
by Jeff Sullivan on Mar 7, 2006 6:32 AM PST up reply actions
He's not.
Remember, Sele was leading the team in ERA and quality starts at one point in mid-June last year- so in terms of "hey, let's throw in a veteran as a patch job until Meche or Fopper's ready", really, Appier's not that much more unlikely to fill that bill than Harris. Heck, Billy Beane's done this with guys like John Halama in the recent past, waiting for his AAA team to come up with something.
But yeah, when you're hoping for Gil Meche to get healthy so he can post his usual 4 IP/4 BB/3K line...
by eponymous coward on Mar 7, 2006 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Let me expand on my remarks...
The problem is:
- Felix (OK, sure)
- Washburn (uh...not really)
- Moyer (uh, not really)
- Piñeiro (uh, not really)
We'd have adequate depth if we had better guys at the TOP of the rotation, ironically- but that's something we weren't willing to fix by investing in Millwood, Loaiza or Burnett.
by eponymous coward on Mar 7, 2006 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Why Thornton?
Go Read Churchill's Explanation
by PositivePaul on Mar 6, 2006 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Cosmic Confusion...
Sheesh.
Wait a minute, though. This Cosmic Confusion has to be affecting your judgment...
Certainly Naggs and Foppert may not quite be ready yet, and we've seen Harris' so-so performance (except his awesome game in Arlington). But are you seriously telling me that Meche is so far above these guys that losing him and replacing him with Foppert/Nageotte/Harris actually hurts this team? I'll give you Appier and Burba. Both of those guys are likely done. However, while I certainly agree they could use a little more time wearing Tacoma training wheels, I just don't see a huge dropoff between what Foppert/Naggs/Harris could give you and what Meche brings.
I feel a little bad for saying this, but I believe Meche's injury is a hugely good thing in that it forces Hargrove, et al., to take a more serious look at Foppert, Nageotte and Harris (Soriano, too, perhaps?). It also gives them motivation to pull it together a little more, since there's (at the very least) a perception that a spot in the Seattle rotation could become available. Nothing like a carrot, however small it is, to dangle in front of these guys to see what they've got.
I realize spring stats are pretty much useless. Spring performances, however, are not. If Foppert's throwing over 90 again, then that's a very good sign he's further down the path than he was last year. Let's face it -- Meche is slated as the 5th starter; Felix is penciled in as the true 5th starter, but that's moreso to protect his health. In reality, Meche inherited Franklin's 5th starter role, in terms of performance, and because of his lack of durability -- nevermind general ineffectiveness -- would be relied upon as such (and the bullpen would be managed thusly, one would hope, since they would be frequently called upon when Meche pitches). Youngsters in transition and those who need a little more seasoning are very often used as the 5th starter (or long and/or mopup relief), especially in cases of necessity. I, for one, do not believe that the dropoff between Meche and one of Foppert/Naggs/Harris would not be all that significant.
Please, Meche, take your time, and DON'T hurry back!
When did...
Re: When did...
Foppert, right now, is sort of in between his pre- and post-injury velocity. The rest should come back over the course of the season, but for the time being, that isn't enough. And Nageotte just needs to get some starts under his belt. I don't think Seattle is the right place for either of them to be in April.
by Jeff Sullivan on Mar 7, 2006 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
Yikes.
Still, I would rather see the M's go with Harris for a bit than mess up Foppert or Nageotte. Getting those two healthy and productive in the long term is more important than a slight improvment in a few games in April.
By the way, perhaps now is a good time to enquire about the availability of Zach Greinke?
Gotta agree with the above statements
That's Foppy to you...
by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Mar 7, 2006 6:12 AM PST up reply actions

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