Career-Defining Moments
I want to take a break from pessimism and disappointment for a little while. A few days ago marc w reminded me of Rafael Soriano's classic encounter with Nomar Garciaparra back in 2003. Anyone who was watching the game remembers exactly what I'm talking about, but in short, Soriano inherited a 3-1 lead in the eighth and, with two men in scoring position, struck out Nomar on three pitches to end the inning. One of my fondest memories of the past few years, it was an absolutely dominating at bat, and the moment I knew in my heart that Soriano was going to be a very good pitcher for a very long time.
It got me thinking about similar moments for other young Mariners, both past and present. What are the plays you can think of that, when you saw them, indicated to you that the player in question was going to be something special?
This is what I was able to come up with off the top of my head. (Bear in mind I've only been able to watch the Mariners every day for a few years. Those of you who've been around a little longer can undoubtedly go further back.)
Rafael Soriano: Three-pitch strikeout of Nomar
Ichiro: Guns down Terrence Long at third base from right field
Yuniesky Betancourt: Drives home Jeremy Reed with a triple for the only run of a 1-0 win
Felix Hernandez: With two on in the eighth, protecting a 1-0 lead, gets Nick Punto to ground back to the mound to end the threat in his home debut (same day as Betancourt's. That game ruled.)
Willie Ballgame: Doesn't have one, never will
Mark Lowe: Strikes out Bernie Williams on three pitches with the go-ahead run on third base in Yankee Stadium
JJ Putz: The Barry Bonds strikeout
Mike Cameron: Robs Derek Jeter of a home run in one of his first games as Griffey's replacement
Those are the big ones that come to mind (I couldn't think of anything for Lopez). Which ones did I forget?
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Easy.
George Sherrill relieves Shiggy with the bases loaded and one out. The hottest hitter in all of baseball at the time, Tino Martinez comes to the plate. George gets Tino to hit the ball to Adrian Beltre, who throws it home to get the first out, and to save a run, Miguel Olivo throws it up to first, and Richie Sexson couldn't make the play on Tino (should've been the third out). Hargrove comes out and pulls Sherrill for Putz, who promptly gives up (IIRC) a first-pitch GS HR to Bernie Williams. Whatever, M's still lose.
Immediately after the game, GS52 was sent back down to Tacoma, and upon hearing that news, PositivePaul officially dedicated the MarinersMorsels blog to the "Free George Sherrill" campaign, and developed a firm hatred towards both JJ Putz and Richie Sexson.
I even have a game ball from that game:

Johjima's first hit in the majors
That was pretty sweet...
by PositivePaul on Dec 9, 2006 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Career-Outlying Moments
Getting back to optimism, that Mark Lowe moment was pure magic. Here was this debuting guy that even the "serious" fans knew little about, thrust into the ultimate pressure situation by Grover and he strikes out a modern-day Yankee legend in the filthiest possible way. From that moment on we were all hooked on the Mark Lowe show.
I would have a difficult time
It's just sad that his career might be over. His time in the majors was just so magical.
by MT on Dec 9, 2006 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Spot on: it really is sad
Heh, Mark Lowe reminiscing has just made me remember his first game against Oakland when he hit 101mph on the gun, sending an entire blogging population's jaws crashing to the floor over at Athletics Nation. Sweet.
Soriano's debut
Top of the 7th, Red Sox Batting, Behind 2-6, Rafael Soriano facing 9-1-2
Rafael Soriano replaces Joel Pineiro pitching
O --- 2 R Sanchez Flyball: CF (CF)
O --- 2 J Damon Groundout: P-1B
O --- 6 S Hillenbrand Strikeout Swinging
Top of the 8th, Red Sox Batting, Behind 2-7, Rafael Soriano facing 3-4-5
O --- 1 N Garciaparra Foul Flyball: C
--- 2 M Ramirez Double to LF
O -2- 3 B Daubach Flyball: RF (RF)
O -2- 4 T Clark Foul Flyball: 1B
Top of the 9th, Red Sox Batting, Behind 2-7, Rafael Soriano facing 7-8-9
--- 5 T Nixon Single to RF
OO 1-- 3 J Varitek Ground Ball Double Play: 2B-SS-1B
O --- 3 R Sanchez Groundout: SS-1B
Bob Wolcott
Guess that one didn't really pan out, though (neither Walcott nor the series).
Watching Tino
Felix's home debut (1-0 win vs. Twins)
I was at the Twins game too.
Ron Wright
Never heard from again.
That was hilarious..
by Colby In Boston on Dec 9, 2006 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Ron Wright's Debut:
2nd PA: Triple play (1-6-2-5-1-4)
3rd PA: Double play (6-4-3)
Only three ABs of his MLB career. Averaged 2 outs/PA, probably the record of anyone with more than 1 PA.
Greg Dobbs
We can hate on Dobbs all we want..but that had to be an awesome feeling for him.
Mike Cameron
Cameron was out pretty obviously, but was called safe. KC's catcher (Gregg Zaun) blocked the plate effectively but the umpire (Marvin Hudson) missed the call and called Cameron safe.
Ricky Botallico went crazy and was chewing Hudson out all the way down the umpire's tunnel. Awesome moment. Here's the link to Retrosheet.
by Colby In Boston on Dec 9, 2006 11:53 AM PST reply actions
one more..Bobby Mads
I think 8 shutout innings.
Or his complete game in Oakland. That game was a big reason the A's didnt make it to the playoffs. Plus I remember a Mariner getting hit (I think Ichiro actually) and Mads was ready to storm out of the dugout and throw down.
Unfortunalty Melvin had him throw about 1,000 pitches in those starts.
The one I really remember
8 IP, 1R, tense pitching duel with Jorge Sosa, and then the M's won it in extras.
In all honesty, not as impressive as the win over Boston, but it was about a month earlier, and really made an impression on me.
Ron Villone
That was special.
And how about Bucky Jacobsen
oh yeah..that was a good one
Blackley also pitched in that one.
Griffey
by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Dec 9, 2006 12:30 PM PST reply actions
First MLB game
By the time he hit that homer in his first home AB, it was almost expected...
I've still got my Griffey Jr. candy bar.
Mads
by dust on Dec 9, 2006 12:44 PM PST reply actions
Ichrio
by tkjinak on Dec 9, 2006 12:52 PM PST reply actions
Beltre
Says it all about Beltre, really.
I was at that one
Ichiro
What I remember most vividly though, is from opening day 2001. I had a digital cam and was taking photos of Ichiro in his first AB, it was great. Unfortunately, those were eventually lost. :(
Anyway, he didn't start off in the best way, I think he was 0-3 at one point. After that he picked up a hit in the 7th to aid a rally for the M's. In the 8th inning tied 4-4 with the A's, Guillen was on first and Ichiro laid down The. Perfect. Bunt. Mecir somehow thought he was going to get him, which he wasn't, and ended up throwing it away to put Guillen on third and Ichiro on second. Olerud eventually hit a sac fly and we won 5-4, but the bunt, while I was sitting right next to first base, is what I'll always remember.
That team wasn't expected to do much of anything, but that was the beginning of something special, for Ichiro and the M's.
by Josh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 9, 2006 12:59 PM PST reply actions
I was listening at work
Damn, this org really missed the boat with Petagine. I think he had what it took to be the guy at DH.
My three moments:
Felix: His first start in Toronto on Sep. 21st. Went 7.1 innings, only gave up two hits (and both were soft hits), struck out 6.
Richie: I'll let retrosheet do the work:
"Mariners behind 3-4, Miguel Batista replaces Justin Speier pitching; Greg Dobbs pinch hits for Yorvit Torrealba batting 9th"
Dobbs singled to CF (Bubela pinch runs)
Ichiro bunt singled to pitcher.
Santiago pinch hit for Betancourt, sac bunted.
Ibanez intentionally walked (Gibbons, you fool)
Sexson homered to RF; Bubela scores; Ichiro scores; Ibanez scores.
As I started to leave the Skydome, an usher was loudly complaining about Miguel Batista's ability to close out games. At that point, I lost all faith in Miggy, even if he did like to quote Augustine in post-game interviews.
I listened to that game on the radio
Betancourt's home debut
Carlos Guillen
What else is there to say?
Two for Junior
A couple of years later at the Kingdome he runs up the pads on the lf wall at the Kingtome to catch a ball headed out of the park. His cleats leave track on pads as he rips the covers. Have never seen anybody do anything remotely like it, before or since.
Simply, the greatest Mariner ever.
by TerryBenish on Dec 9, 2006 2:13 PM PST reply actions
Obviously
Willie deserves
Nah
I was at that game
Amazing how one of my only first-hand impressions of him can be good and I can still dislike him so much as a player.
by Josh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 9, 2006 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I hafta go with that one too
Leone
He had two of those.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 9, 2006 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well
I think it was against cleveland
Another Blackley start
Chris Snelling
I'll always remember Weaver's quote after that game.
"Yeah they hit me pretty hard out there, and I think Snelling won the home run derby."
soriano
Frankie Rodriguez' defining moment as a Mariner had to be his role in a certain Yankees/Mariners game back in 1999. Oh, what a night. I was so focused on the inter-bench banter and the brawls that night, I forgot he threw four innings of shutout ball in relief.
Brett Hinchliffe
by jamesy on Dec 9, 2006 3:28 PM PST reply actions
This thread makes me sad.
This reflection just depresses me. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to remember it, but it still just makes me a little sad.
Two more: Ben Davis and Stan Javier.
Javiers was his amazing catch where he went over the wall to tip the ball back into the field, and caught it while falling to the grass.
Davis was when he ramshacked the Oakland catcher at the end of the futile 02' pennat race (or 03?). It was down in Oakland and Big Ben just mauled the backstop, probably Ramon Hernandez. I dont remember the game but it was at the end of the year, in about the 8th inning.
by jamesy on Dec 9, 2006 3:32 PM PST reply actions
I remember that Javier catch.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 9, 2006 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Was it just me
I don't even remember if he put together any legitimately great games, but he was always so close to having dominant stuff. Or at least that's how it seemed to me.
Yep
He had a complete game, 2-hit shutout of Minnesota in 1996; I was in college out of the area then, so I didn't see the game. But I caught the highlights on sportscenter and I remember telling my friends that he'd be in the top 10 in Cy Young voting by 1999.
August 15th, 2005.
However, I already knew Felix was a superb talent, so I remember that day more for Yuni's ground ball drills, as it was the first time I'd watched him play live. He moved so much more fluidly than anyone I've ever seen, it was unreal.
Comeback
by jamesy on Dec 9, 2006 3:46 PM PST reply actions
not to rub salt in a fresh wound but...
2006 Winter Meetings
With his job and next season on the line, and facing a market in which Dany Baez signs for 15,000,000.00 over three years, Bill Bavasi gives away one of the best righty power arms available for Horacio Ramirez.
Surprized no one's brought it up yet.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 9, 2006 7:36 PM PST reply actions
oh whoops
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 9, 2006 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
I guess we couldn't have a post
How bout...
Speaking of Leyritz
I hate that fucker
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 9, 2006 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Somebody mentioned Sexson
The M's beat the Twins 5-1, which Sexson homering twice and driving in all of the Mariners' runs. It was a good day to be a fan.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 9, 2006 9:14 PM PST reply actions
I remember thinking after watching that
Ooops.
and dont foget
I seriously thought we were a playoff team when that happened..then Thorton came in and...."sigh"
They almost did...
19+39=58.
You were only off by two, that's not bad.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 10, 2006 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
Baseball-reference
#1: Against Mark Portugal on June 5, 1987. Also homered against Blyleven that same game.
#2: against Bryan Harvey on September 18, 1988.
#2: against Mike Witt on April 25, 1993.
Through the magic of baseball reference, I now know that O'Brien hit three homers off of Oil Can Boyd and Dave Stieb.
Thanks
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 9, 2006 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
I remember that one
Speaking of Randy
I swear I'm not making that up.
And, when considering classic brawls, how about Jay Buhner, not eligible to come on the field because he was already suspended, coming out of the dugout in Baltimore to rescue an injured... shit, I don't remember who it was. But he kicked ass, took names, rescued his teammate. That was the brawl that almost cost Cal the streak. I always thought Cal was a fucker anyway, though.
Wasn't that in Milwaukee?
I just remember the visuals: One head standing above the crowd of bodies, and then somehow he gets spun out of the melee and he's got two Brewers in headlocks.
As I recall it, he hadn't even appeared in a game for the M's yet, but that can't be right.
The M's used to have lots of fights with Milwaukee - talk about a weird rivalry.
Speaking of memorable brawls, and one that probably does define a guy's career, how about Frankie Rodriguez taking on the yankees? I swear that guy was on the roster solely to kick people's ass if called upon.
the real f-rod
That's the one!
OR,
I was at that game. I get teary-eyed just thinking about it.
yeah that was awesome
anyone remember the song they used to play on the radio in 95.."The seattle Mariners are on a roll!"..or something like that.
Ok I got two more
Buhner jumping over the fence and into the bullpen to get a HR. I think it was at NYY.
I didnt follow baseball at the time
two for fenway
Also memorable from Buhner
by Mariner John on Dec 10, 2006 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
Man, we sure have been spoiled by some cannons
In the longest game ever played at Safeco field
I thought, after coming so close to ending the game, that the M's were done at that point.
Cammy steps back up, fouls off a couple more pitches and then slaps one that sneaks over the fence and inside the pole in right to beat the Red Sox in 17!
What a player...miss that guy!
by M Pops on Dec 9, 2006 11:53 PM PST reply actions
I think it was
by Josh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 10, 2006 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
Wasn't the longest M's game
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 10, 2006 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Greg 'Pee Wee' Briley
One of the unlikelier walk-offs, really, considering he hit 2 homers in 300+ at bats that year and 'slugged' in the .330s. As a corner OF. In the Kingdome. Ouch.
But I still think he's awesome for that one swing.
Omar Vizquel
Probably one of the cooler endings to a no-no. Strikeouts are always cool, like Randy's over the Tigers. But I can't think of another amazing defensive play to close one out.
Omar made a lot of plays, but considering the spot, that one always stands out for me.
Brian Holman
In the 80s/early 90s, all the joy/rage/disappointment/hope/pathos of a pennant chace (or even a .500 season) got focused onto individual players or individual games. At least for me.
I just remember being so excited I was shaking... it could be that I really had to piss, but I couldn't leave the TV room in case that jinxed him.
And then, of course, Bill FUCKYOU Plummer jinxed him by having him bat in the top of the 9th. Of course, Holman got on base and ended up running the bases, and I still blame Plummer for Holman's inability to get the 27th out.
Sometimes I think I must be remembering that wrong, and that no AL manager would MAKE HIS PITCHER BAT IN THE 9TH INNING OF A PERFECT GAME, I don't know, because it's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard of in my life. But I checked retrosheet. It happened.
So yes, here's to you 4/20/90: you provided the defining moment of Brian Holman's career, and summed up the career of Bill Plummer in a clear, concise, idiotic way. In fact, the whole 4/20 thing started when people started trying to get sooo baked that that decision actually made sense. It's an homage, of sorts.
His no-no was broken up
and he reached base on a f.c. in the previous half inning. He did have to run the bases, still wearing his warmup jacket... and looking about as comfortable out there as John Kruk in a suit.
David Bell
One of those patented, parabolic throws that looked so leisurely but still managed to get a fast runner.
Early 2001 maybe?
Yes, I could do this all night.
one nom for joe table
Jose Mesa comes on for the ninth to protect a 2-1 lead. It's probably good that Retrosheet doesn't have play-by-play data for that game so we don't have to immediately know the details of Mesa walking four and giving up two runs in a third of an inning. The Padres won that game 3-2.
Amongst all of the pageantry and the feel-good times of Safeco Field opening its doors, Mesa brought all Mariner fans back to a painful reality -- the bullpen was still complete crap. Pat Gillick took the reins the following offseason and before we knew it, Arthur Rhodes and Kazuhiro Sasaki heavily bolstered the bullpen.
Ken Cloude
Cloude was simply overpowering, shutting out TB over 7 innings and striking out 11 in the process (3 hits, 2 walks).
M's lead 3-0 in the 8th, when Spoljaric and Fossas give up 2 runs (but Bob Wells saves the lead). Then, as was customary in those days, Bobby Ayala proceeded to blow the game - 4 runs in the 9th, for a true M's pen meltdown.
And, as was customary in those days, Ken Cloude blew out his arm and was never really healthy again (though it was bittersweet seeing him in Tacoma a few years ago).
But still, in those heady days of 1998, the last days of the Dome, I'd seen the future and its name was Ken Cloude.
Whoa
by Mariner John on Dec 10, 2006 2:03 AM PST up reply actions
Simple:
Spoljaric's actually still pitching, too. He's in the indy Intercounty Baseball League, pitching for the Toronto Maple Leafs. The main stat page is down now, but he was an all-star, and he was League MVP in 2003.
No, he got 83 IP from Seattle in '98
I remember Cloude being amazing
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 10, 2006 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Inconsistency
Alex Diaz
Who can forget Bobby Ayala
by ira500 on Dec 10, 2006 2:15 AM PST reply actions
Bobby
My favorite Bobby Ayala memory
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 10, 2006 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Carl Everett
Carl Everett sucked as a hitter but the man hit some timely homeruns.
Cameron had a shit-ton of great moments
The 19th-inning walkoff HR vs the Red Sox (against Jeff Fassero, no less) in this game, as mentioned by M Pops.
The walkoff grand slam to beat Cleveland 8-5 in this game, half an inning after Sasaki and Carrera had combined to give up a 3-2 lead.
And of course, the 4 HR game against the White Sox, which I can't believe no one has mentioned yet. In which, Bret Boone and he became the first and second AL players to ever HR twice in the first inning, he became the second player since 1930 to HR three times in the first three innings, he became the 5th player to ever HR on four consecutive at-bats, and he even robbed Magglio Ordonez of a grand slam.
That's one of those games a person never forgets
IIRC
Another thing I remember about that game
Cammy got hit by a pitch in his 5th at bat
94
another good one was edgars last year of greatness, in a game against texas he lost his bat on a foul tip which flew up above the dugout and beamed a hot ass female from my high school class at the game, Ill never forget seeing her on FSN and watching the perv cameraguys milk her image out with Neihaus and red saying "Now that is a nice looking young woman down there...." about 3 times in a row, gar even let her keep the bat
by dust on Dec 10, 2006 3:39 AM PST reply actions
Dave Valle
Dave "death to the rally" Valle absolutely crushes a ball in the Kingdome. One of the farthest hit balls my nearly 8 year old self has ever seen. Sure home run...but it hits a speaker above the warning track! A freaking speaker hanging from the roof of the dome. It lands just inside the wall, and poor Dave Valle was thrown out by a mile trying to make it a home run any way he could.
Retrosheet hilariously describes it like this:
VALLE BATTED FOR BRADLEY; Valle
tripled to left [Brantley scored, Valle out at home (left to
second to catcher)]; fly ball hit speaker; Valle ran through
sign, out by 20 feet
My memory was only off in thinking it was in dead center, rather than left, which probably led to my doubt about this actually happening because hitting a speaker in center would be an impossibly mammoth shot. Maybe it was left-center, though?
I was at this game, and remember this moment vividly (even if the vivid picture in my mind places the ball in center field). I didn't know until just know, looking at retrosheet, that this game is remembered much more for a different momentous event. The game was on April 10, 1989. It turns out, without even knowing it, I witnessed Griffey's home run in his first at bat in the Kingdome, just six innings earlier. Perhaps I was too busy with my nachos to notice.
I miss the Kingdome
That said, I'm not sure if I could go back. Safeco has made me soft.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 10, 2006 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Brian Giles
He had a total of 10 home runs and 50 RBIs in his all to brief MLB career, but on 5/17/1990 he took all of his frustration (interminable bus rides, the AAAA reputation, never getting a chance to start, all the MLB pitchers getting him out all the time, etc.) on the hapless NY Yankees.
He went 3 for 4 with a double and two home runs. SEVEN RBIs, or 14% of his CAREER total in one day. Randy Johnson got the win, Jimmy Key got owned.
Was that the game
I remember that game, because I'd never dreamed that scoring fourteen runs in a game was possible.
Very good!
Beltre
The only M's game I've ever seen in Seattle . . .
Jeff Manto
Richie Sexson
Bottom of the 10th, Ichiro hits a leadoff double, then Lopez sacrifices him over. McClung then walked Beltre and Ibanez intentionally to get to Richie who takes the first pitch and drives it to straightaway center to win the game.
Definately a good way to break someone in to baseball...it was amazing.
What I thought was funny about that slam
Oh, it gets better
So in the 10th, they ask me what I know about Seth McClung, and I'm just like "Uh, he sucks. That's about all you need to know." With Richie up and the bases loaded, I'm like, "Get your glove out, 'cause Richie's going to hit one right to us."
I was half right.
I liked it last year when they kept intentially
The game in 2004
That game was awesome because it was the first time I got to do the Rally Jig Dance
Josias Manzanillo
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 11, 2006 8:53 AM PST reply actions
Mickey Brantley
by ira500 on Dec 11, 2006 9:22 AM PST reply actions
Ichiro, Yubet, and Beltre
Yubet: Just every time he is out in the feild he is smiling a joking looking like he really enjoys what he does.
Beltre: When ever he takes out some at second to brake up a double play. Also he hit a other way homerun that was a lazer beam. Off the bat the ball got to just above the height and was gone in seconds.
He stole first?
by Mariner John on Dec 11, 2006 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Alvin Davis
Reminds me of another... Carlos Guillen... he had a few 10-12 pitch at-bats, maintaining that steely focus. I wasn't surprised at all that he became on the best offensive shortstops in the league after we traded him.
Guillen...
No kidding. Precisely as you mentioned -- the 10-12 pitch ABs were one of the things that I highly valued the most with Guillen. He had this knack of going deep into his ABs with Seattle. I'm not sure if this still the case or not, but I knew he'd bust out offensively.
I would've been OK with Omar-for-Guillen (and was at the time), precisely because I hated Aurilia, and knew he'd suck in Seattle. And I had a strong feeling, too, that Guillen would bust out with the bat...
by PositivePaul on Dec 11, 2006 10:32 AM PST up reply actions

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