FireBillBavasi.com
Many may disagree - but this fan thinks Bill Bavasi should go!
The FireBillBavasi.com website is up and running. Included is a petition to show your support that Bavasi must go!
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Well, I disagree
Jeff...
by jameslcrockett on Jan 7, 2006 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
LOL at the online petition
I found these sentances rather funny.
So...when was our farm once regarded as one of the best? And failed to produce anyone of significane?? How about Lopez, Yubet and Reed for starters.
And how exactly was Lawton a bad move?
This guy is clearly an idiot.
Get your facts straight first.
How about how Bavasi refused to trade Blackley, Nageotte for help when we needed it. How they working out for us now?
by firebillbavasi on Jan 7, 2006 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Re:Facts
And who exactly was Bavasi going to get with Blackley and Nageotte that would of helped us enough to win? Nobody that's who.
And you still haven't answered my question on why Lawton is a bad signing.
Oh wow
-Omar Minaya
Hindsight is always 20/20...
Plus
by Mariner John on Jan 7, 2006 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Talking about facts...
Perhaps because the farm system DIDN'T produce everyday players? And that was because of previous GMs?
Try the same.
The drafts, WHILE GILLICK WAS AT THE HELM, were utter failures most of the time and there's no getting around it. The most return we've ever gotten from the 2000 class was Jamal Strong, who's presently a fourth-outfielder type, and a couple months of Ismael Valdez in exchange for Derrick Van Dusen. The 2001 draft was arguably worse, considering the level of available talent and the rewards reaped by other teams. Other teams picked David Wright, Andy Sisco, Kelly Shoppach, J.J. Hardy, Dallas MacPherson, Brandon League, Dan Haren, Jesse Foppert, Steven Shell, Kirk Saarloos, Scott Hairston... We picked Michael Garciaparra, Rene Rivera, Mike Wilson, Lazaro Abreu, and Tim Merritt, and that's just the first three rounds. We didn't even sign a number of the picks in the first ten rounds, and the ones we did, rarely lasted more than a few years. The most return we can expect from 2002 would be a platoon corner guy (Bryan Lahair, to this point), a fourth OF (T.J. Bohn), and a backup infielder (Hunter Brown, maybe). The 2003 class was considerably better, but you can't make up for three years of horrible draft decisions, even if you're trying to corner various international markets.
To chide Bavasi for the failures of the Mariners farm system is foolish and short-sighted. If anything, his recent drafts have stopped the bleeding while giving us a few interesting prospects to look at, so we're not dipping into the pool of fifth-year college seniors and minor league scrap quite as often as we used to.
by JY on Jan 9, 2006 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Well Said
Bavasi and Fontaine have done very very well in the past two drafts, despite not having many picks.
This is not just true with top picks like Clement and Tuiasosopo.
The M's have picked up some nice late-round guys recently, like Stephen Kahn, Steve Uhlmansiek, Sebastain Boucher, Michael Saunders, Rob Johnson, and Anthony Varvano. I think that these picks really highlight the improvements in scouting and talent evaluation, as none of these guys were top picks or big-money signings.
The 2006 draft will be interesting, as the M's finally have all their picks. Lets hope that Fontaine can continue to improve the M's draft success.
...well, at least...
Now isn't the time to can his...
by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Jan 7, 2006 10:52 PM PST reply actions
Heh.
You won't get too many people going to your site besides reactionary fans who blame Bavasi and not Gillick for the Mariners' failure. Bavasi was a major disappointment this season, but he's far from the worst.
not yet.......
if there's a fire howard lincoln petition i'd be more than happy to sign !
by boxscore willie on Jan 8, 2006 12:59 AM PST reply actions
I'd place far more blame...
2005 BUDGET AS REPORTED BY COMMSH OFFICE
pay attention when m's talk about budget in 2006,i bet we get the same hocus pocus we got in 2005.
check this out...m's were almost out spent by the detroit tigers.
by boxscore willie on Jan 8, 2006 1:50 AM PST reply actions
This caught my eye
That's a good chunk of change they didn't count.
Like Jeff mentioned earlier...
True...
Among other things
Bavasi
In particular, I think that the M's farm system has improved a lot since Bavasi and Fontaine have joined the club. I think that Fontaine has been most responsible for much better decisions in the past two drafts. However, Bavasi has brought in a lot of good arms in minor trades. That is not insiginificant.
However, Bavasi has totally bombed this offseason. Washburn's contract is pretty unanimously viewed as the worst signing of the offseason. Bringing in Everett was also an uncreative, bad addition.
Bavasi seems to be pretty good at trading veterans for prospects. He got good returns from Garcia, Villone, Winn, and Torrealba. He also has shown that he is not afraid of big contracts.
Bavasi's main failing is that he hasn't shown that he can make really creative, intelligent moves.
He hasn't been able to pick up undervalued players. The Lawton signing was a pretty nice move. But there has been talent available this offseason, and the M's haven't been able to do anything:
-The Dodgers just acquired SP Jae Seo from the Mets for two relievers (Duaner Sanchez and Steve Schmoll). Seo has good stats, but did not get a good shot to pitch for the Mets. He could have been a great pickup for the M's, who have plenty of relievers to deal. This is a move that Bavasi should have made.
-The A's picked up Milton Bradley for nearly nothing. Bradley is a much much better player than Carl Everett. Bradley is a switch hitter, gets on base, and is a very good defensive OFer. Instead, the M's acquired an older, inferior, and one-dimensional player.
-the Rockies just signed Byung Hyung Kim for 1.5 million. The Rockies are not exactly the ideal destination for pitchers, and I am sure that Kim would have listened to offers from the M's. Coming to Seattle would have been a great way for him to get his career on track. He would have been a nice, cheap addition to the rotation for the M's. Barring injuries, Kim would have filled the crucial 6th starter/long reliever role that the M's are very thin at right now.
-the Indians needed pitching help, but with the market going crazy, they didn't want to overpay for crap starters. They went out and signed Paul Byrd for 2 years, 14.25 million and Jason Johnson for 1 year, 4 million. In this bloated market, these are two of the best bargains available. Both of these guys would have been much better investments than Washburn. The Indians got themselves two good starters without committing to long-term, overpriced contracts.
-the Diamondbacks were not in good shape at the beginning of the offseason. Despite sucking, they had thrown a lot of money at Troy Glaus and Russ Ortiz the year before. They had a nice farm system, but too many old, declining vets blocking them. They bring in Eric Byrnes as the new GM, and that club is instantly on the right track. He traded away Troy Glaus and Javier Vazquez, and didn't make any big free agent acquisitions. However, the Snakes saved a huge amount of cash, while bringing in players like Chris Young and Orlando Hudson. After one more round of trades this season, the Diamondbacks should have one of the best young teams going into 2007, with a lot of money left over to spend to improve the roster for a run at the playoffs. The thing I like about these moves is that Byrnes recognized that the team was not close to contending. He recongnized that the future was in the farm system. He made some unpopular trades that won't really help the team win a lot of games for another year. But he did stick to a long-term plan that will help that team be a contender in a few years. I am sure that everyone will be talking about how much of a genious he is in 2007 and 2008.
I am seeing none of these types of moves from Bavasi. I liked the Johjima and Lawton signings, but this offseason has been a total bust overall.
I don't think that Bavasi is a horrible GM. However, I don't think that he is a really good GM either.
If the M's could bring in Theo Epstein, it would be a great move. The new crop of young, ballsy GMs are making guys like Bavasi look stupid. The M's should throw a huge wad of cash at Epstein, and give him all the autonomy that he didn't have in Boston.
seo
i'm hoping if something comes out later it's that we tried but mets preferred the dodger prospects over m's. i don't want to hear bavasi was asleep at the wheel on that one. Seo is pefect material for rebuiling a pitching staff.
Epstein,now that would be a great move !
by boxscore willie on Jan 9, 2006 2:00 AM PST reply actions
Uggh...
by firebillbavasi on Jan 9, 2006 5:59 PM PST reply actions
LOL your realllllllly reaching aren't you?
These are barely signings.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 9, 2006 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Care to explain?
Really? Why?
Teams under Bavasi have a combined record of 659-734:
'94 - 47-68
'95 - 78-67
'96 - 70-91
'97 - 84-78
'98 - 85-77
'99 - 70-92
'03 - 93-69
'04 - 63-99
'05 - 69-93
And that's giving him the '03 season which he basically inherited.
But please fill me in - why is he probably one of the best GM in the league? and by the league do you mean the AL West? Cause Beane blows Bavasi away.) What moves has he made that you like? And don't come back with Sexson or Beltre - anyone could have thrown money at them.
by firebillbavasi on Jan 9, 2006 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't say Bavasi is one of the better GM's in
And you still haven't explained why Appier and Vina are bad signings.
Why Vina & Appier are bad signings
Yes if we were the Yankees or Red Sox these two signings wouldn't worry me much because their 25 man roster is already set. Us? I feel like Bavasi is just WAITING & hoping that Lopez/Meche will fail and if they do then these two are his backup plan. Sorry not good enough. If these two make the roster we are seriously up a creek.
Edgar for Pres what moves has BB made that you like? Anything in particular? The main difference between Beane and Bavasi - Beane has had 50% of the budget that BB has.
by firebillbavasi on Jan 10, 2006 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
This is what I find funny about you guys
lol
Sure his record isn't too great
I guess what I meant was that I think that Bavasi is an average or slightly above-average GM. Its really easy to say, we should have put the money down to buy all these great players but you can't win 'em all. If you think that you should then just become a Yankees fan (or Red Sox fan). All really good teams create the core talent from their farm systems and then use FAs to add missing pieces. The GM isn't responsible for individual collapses and their true effect (good or bad) is dramatically overemphasized (unless you are the Yankees/Red Sox). The Yankees are going to go through a down period like the mariners have because the drained their youth and now look alot like the 04 mariners.
Ok this is post little random but whatever.
I am so tired of everyone who is in love with Billy Beane. His first 3 years with Oakland he went 226-260. Bavasi has gone 225-261. Beane didn't get good until his draft picks of Mulder, Hudson, and Zito got up to the majors. Plus Beane inherited Giambi, Tejada, and Chavez. Who did Bavasi inherit? Look at the Mariners in 2003. They had Ichiro, Soriano, Meche and Pineiro as their future. Well lets just put it that most of the above haven't quite panned out yet.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 9, 2006 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
And don't forget
by firebillbavasi on Jan 9, 2006 9:21 PM PST reply actions

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