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Carlos Guillen Is Coming Back

Pretty much the essence of Carlos Guillen

This news first broke some time ago. You'll forgive me for not immediately jumping to my blogging battle station. I saw it, I thought about it, and I decided I didn't need to hurry to get something up because Carlos Guillen traffic isn't going to blow up the website. I used that time to do something I deemed more important, which turned out to be making lemonade from concentrate. I haven't yet tried any of the lemonade. Maybe after this post!

At last week's media luncheon, Jack Zduriencik said that the Mariners weren't necessarily done for the offseason, but that any subsequent additions would probably be small chips. There was expressed interest in finding some kind of veteran bat who could lend the group of position players some experience. Zduriencik might have known then that he'd be signing Carlos Guillen.

Maybe he didn't. But he's now signed Carlos Guillen, to a minor league contract with a spring training invite. It's not the most surprising of transactions, given that we heard reports connecting Guillen and the Mariners back in early December. Those of you wondering who's going to be this year's Adam Kennedy? Carlos Guillen is the new favorite to be this year's Adam Kennedy.

If he makes the team. That's not guaranteed. It's never guaranteed. Even Ichiro isn't guaranteed to make the team. Think about it. Guaranteed. Carlos Guillen has much lower chances of making the team than Ichiro does, but Ichiro doesn't have a 100% chance of making the team. It's kind of hard to tell where Guillen could fit. The team obviously signed him because they have some possible fit in mind, but how versatile is Guillen, really, after all of his injuries? There's easy space if the Mariners go with a six-man bullpen, but will the Mariners go with a six-man bullpen? And on and on. Maybe Guillen makes the team. Maybe he doesn't, immediately. Maybe he doesn't, ever.

If he does make the team, it's important to understand that you shouldn't expect too much. Guillen used to be a Mariner, as you recall. Then he became good. Between 2004-2008, he posted a 127 OPS+. He's posted a 95 OPS+ since in limited time, with his time being limited due to injuries. Carlos Guillen has had a lot of injuries. He's 36, now, so it's not like the injury-proneness is going to go away.

A healthy Guillen can provide some kind of defensive versatility and decent offense from both sides of the plate. A slightly less healthy Guillen is probably the normal Guillen these days. An unhealthy Guillen doesn't play.

Except for that one time! You knew you weren't getting out of this post without me going back to the old story about Carlos Guillen playing through tuberculosis. Before the 2001 season, Guillen was at his home in Venezuela. In spring training, he tested negative for tuberculosis according to a test that apparently has a fairly high error rate. Guillen started the season slow, and on May 19th he collided with Al Martin, with Martin ending up concussed.

Guillen progressively felt worse and worse. People figured he was suffering the after-effects of the collision. He didn't say anything to Lou Piniella. It's around now that I'm going to begin with the blockquotes. Ken Daley:

Every morning Carlos Guillen woke up and wondered how he was going to play a baseball game that night.

His head ached. His chest felt almost bruised, as if he had been taking hard jabs the night before. His cough had turned his throat as raw as sandpaper.

His sheets were damp from the fever he was running. And the bed, which had become his haven, was becoming harder and harder to leave.

Seattle P-I:

Teammates said he had been ill and had occasional nosebleeds, but he hadn't complained to manager Lou Piniella or team coaches.

Pitcher Jose Paniagua said Guillen had been sick for about three months and had told him he suspected the blood he was losing was from his lungs, and not his nose.

Further:

Piniella thought Guillen's performance was a tad lackadaisical during the team's trip to Texas last week, and asked coach Dave Myers to talk with the shortstop. Guillen did not offer illness as an excuse. He merely told Myers, "I'll pick it up."

KOMO:

Because tuberculosis is a contagious disease that spreads through the air like the common cold, the Mariners players were concerned about their own health and the health of their children.

Carlos Guillen was severely ill. He was severely ill, and getting iller, for months. He didn't say anything to the team, even when presented with an opportunity. And the team, for its part, somehow didn't notice. The Seattle Mariners weren't worried too much about their ill regular shortstop and were surprised when tests in late September revealed tuberculosis. Tuberculosis! That Guillen had been playing through for months!

Guillen put up an 87 OPS+ that year over 140 games. The year before, he had an 86 OPS+. His numbers in the second half were better than his numbers in the first half. He was batting .439 in September before he went to the hospital and found out he had tuberculosis.

Tuberculosis!

The Carlos Guillen story is insane. I can't believe that happened. I can't believe that happened the same year the Mariners won 116 games. Guillen returned to play in the ALCS half a month later. Given all of the injuries Guillen has faced over his career, I'm sure there are a lot of people who think he's a wimp. Carlos Guillen isn't a wimp, to the point where he endangered his own life.

The Carlos Guillen tuberculosis story is old now. He doesn't have tuberculosis anymore. (We think.) What he has is an assortment of skills that is a lesser assortment of skills than he used to have. Maybe he still has enough to contribute. Maybe he doesn't. The Mariners will decide on that within a couple of months.

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That was my first thought too

Though replacing one with the other really seems like a lateral move at best given the fact that Guillen is fragile and not athletic enough to play the outfield. I guess I’m okay with that if it means chipping away at the $8 million Figgins is owed in 2013, but I’m not sure it makes 2012 any less painful.

What are the chances that both Figgy and Guillen make the major league roster out of ST? Nada unless Seager gets hurt, I’d bet.

by _Hutch_ on Feb 1, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Never should have left

And I’m pretty sure Ichiro is guaranteed to make the team. Even if he doesn’t get a single hit in ST….what, do you really see him getting cut?

by Alexandra_5236 on Feb 1, 2012 3:03 PM PST reply actions  

Nothing is certain.

Ichiro could die in a plane crash on his way to Arizona, for instance. Compared to other players, his spot is pretty much guaranteed to him, but that it’s guaranteed that on opening day Ichiro is a member of the Seattle Mariners, no one can be 100% sure, except for time traveler Jeff.

by TIFO on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

My first thought was yay, Carlos Guillen.

Then I remembered he’s 36.

:(

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by Fearless Frog on Feb 1, 2012 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

If he got TB as a yout

Think of all the horrific diseases he could get as an old man. Think of all the interesting headlines and articles we could be reading this season. This really is an exciting move.

by Craptastic-J on Feb 2, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

How on earth could he get those two confused

Jose Lopez is good. Carlos Guillen was drunk while driving

by seattlebruin on Feb 1, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not Jose Lopez

Jose Guillen. They both have the same last name. And were at one point in their carreers, even if briefly, decent ballplayers. And have been Mariners.

by Bradley Barwell on Feb 1, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

How does that make me a racist

all I am trying to do is provide you with medical facts, which I think I am qualified to do as the only MD in residence in this thread

by seattlebruin on Feb 1, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   5 recs

It makes sense, in that he can play the outfield (sorta) and third base.

But I really don’t think he’d be much of a step up over Figgins. Neither would be very good, and Figgins’ durability would be nice.

by BigR on Feb 1, 2012 4:21 PM PST reply actions  

That's right.

If we have someone on this team that we expect to provide no value, we need to be able to rely on them to do it.

by Droid Rage on Feb 1, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Even though you're being sarcastic, that is what I meant.

Having somebody who can play 3b and the outfield on the roster will be important if the team stays the way it is. If they go with Guillen and scrap Figgins, it’ll make a square peg for a round hole on the bench when/if Guillen gets hurt.

by BigR on Feb 1, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I do agree with you on Figgins vs. Guillen.

It would just be nice if the team had a choice with an incremental value over zero.

by Droid Rage on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not that far removed from being an average-ish 2B/3B bat

I think he’s a much better bet to be a useful regular than Figgins

by Poochie on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This Year's Adam Kennedy...

So would that make Kennedy “Son of Sir Hugs-A-Lot”, and Guillen “Sir Hugs-A-Lot, The Third”? And if so, where does Jack Cust fit in?
Also: Who’s gonna be this year’s Eric Byrnes?

by NWade on Feb 1, 2012 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

This is just a rationalization for losing in 2001

but didn’t the entire team get TB innoculations after this discovery? The side effects of which can be lethargy? Always blamed the loss in the playoffs on this, because as a human, I like to ascribe reasons to random variations of chance.

by Snuffleupagus on Feb 1, 2012 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

Also...

playing a team in the ALCS so `roided up they appeared later that year in the SNL skit “The All-Drug Olympics” probably didn’t help.

All-Drug Olympics

by Henry Valz on Feb 1, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Im sure they probably did

I was in juvie at the time and everyone in the KC jail system had to take mandatory TB tests. Ever since I’ve had this irrational dislike of Carlos Guillen and blame him personally for having near frozen gel injected into my arm. I hate needles. Damn you Carlos Guillen!

by CMoney87 on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Ooh, I didn't know about this reason!

That’s much better than my tendency to blame everything on Arthur Rhodes and his stupid fallability.

by Nadingo on Feb 2, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Carlos Guillen

and Chone Figgins would make a perfect platoon at the Water Distribution Engineer position.

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by qwertyiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm on Feb 1, 2012 5:37 PM PST reply actions  

Is that real, or is it just some running joke?

Why would he care if there are Venezuelans on the team? I could understand why he’d be more comfortable with fellow Spanish-speakers, but there’s not really that big a difference in accents between Caribbean Spanish and what you’d find in South America (now if we were talking a player from Spain, that might be different).

I’m sure he’d have an easier time talking with Montero or Olivo than Jaso, but beyond that..?

I’m probably overthinking it. I have a tendency to that ;\

by Alexandra_5236 on Feb 1, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a Mexican/not Mexican thing

Guillen is Mexican, like Olivo and Paxton. We’ve just been a bit short since Jose Lopez left the team

by seattlebruin on Feb 2, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The thing I will always thing of when I think of Carlos Guillen

is the press conference Lou Pinella had after Carlos was diagnosed where Lou was almost crying.

by Henry Valz on Feb 1, 2012 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

I can't imagine Lou crying unless he's angry.

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by EequalsMc2 on Feb 1, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Or he was dreading the upcoming

TB shot.

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by xmet on Feb 2, 2012 3:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Bret Boone! Raul Ibanez!

Jeff Nelson!
Miguel Olivo!
Arthur Rhodes!

"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff

by EequalsMc2 on Feb 1, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeff Nelson was a rebel reliever who played by his own rules.

He got worse when he left, was better when he came back then was worse when he came back again.

by KC Mariner on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Bone chips in your elbow or coughing up blood

I gotta go with TB on the toughness scale, just for the visual effect more than anything

by Kermit. on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Adrian Beltre laughs at all those wimps.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Beltre takes the cake, probably even higher up than Josias, only because Adrian played through it.

However, I still vividly remember watching the Nomar Garciaparra Groin rupture. Aiiiiii!

by HititHere on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree, Adrian is probably the toughest guy out there

Josias had his removed as a result, whereas Adrian’s was ‘merely’ contused. Still hurts just thinking of it.
Anyway, I cannot hear about a testicle injury without thinking of Josias.

by phiat on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

You're 100% wrong about Ichiro

The chances they could start the season in Japan without Ichiro and without starting a serious riot are zero.

by Breadbaker on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Japanese Riot?

All of a sudden I have images of thousands of people looking karaoke bars and exotic pet shops and then getting back to their homes and realizing they only have 4 square feet of space left in their apartment and calmly returning everything.

Also, Japanese Riot is the name of my The Vapors cover band.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Feb 2, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure I can fathom one, really.

Japanese are publicly relaxed and only passionate in private. The post tsunami days should tell you everything you need to know. No looting. No rioting. Theirs is an impressive culture.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Feb 3, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

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