Carlos Guillen Is Coming Back
This news first broke some time ago. You'll forgive me for not immediately jumping to my blogging battle station. I saw it, I thought about it, and I decided I didn't need to hurry to get something up because Carlos Guillen traffic isn't going to blow up the website. I used that time to do something I deemed more important, which turned out to be making lemonade from concentrate. I haven't yet tried any of the lemonade. Maybe after this post!
At last week's media luncheon, Jack Zduriencik said that the Mariners weren't necessarily done for the offseason, but that any subsequent additions would probably be small chips. There was expressed interest in finding some kind of veteran bat who could lend the group of position players some experience. Zduriencik might have known then that he'd be signing Carlos Guillen.
Maybe he didn't. But he's now signed Carlos Guillen, to a minor league contract with a spring training invite. It's not the most surprising of transactions, given that we heard reports connecting Guillen and the Mariners back in early December. Those of you wondering who's going to be this year's Adam Kennedy? Carlos Guillen is the new favorite to be this year's Adam Kennedy.
If he makes the team. That's not guaranteed. It's never guaranteed. Even Ichiro isn't guaranteed to make the team. Think about it. Guaranteed. Carlos Guillen has much lower chances of making the team than Ichiro does, but Ichiro doesn't have a 100% chance of making the team. It's kind of hard to tell where Guillen could fit. The team obviously signed him because they have some possible fit in mind, but how versatile is Guillen, really, after all of his injuries? There's easy space if the Mariners go with a six-man bullpen, but will the Mariners go with a six-man bullpen? And on and on. Maybe Guillen makes the team. Maybe he doesn't, immediately. Maybe he doesn't, ever.
If he does make the team, it's important to understand that you shouldn't expect too much. Guillen used to be a Mariner, as you recall. Then he became good. Between 2004-2008, he posted a 127 OPS+. He's posted a 95 OPS+ since in limited time, with his time being limited due to injuries. Carlos Guillen has had a lot of injuries. He's 36, now, so it's not like the injury-proneness is going to go away.
A healthy Guillen can provide some kind of defensive versatility and decent offense from both sides of the plate. A slightly less healthy Guillen is probably the normal Guillen these days. An unhealthy Guillen doesn't play.
Except for that one time! You knew you weren't getting out of this post without me going back to the old story about Carlos Guillen playing through tuberculosis. Before the 2001 season, Guillen was at his home in Venezuela. In spring training, he tested negative for tuberculosis according to a test that apparently has a fairly high error rate. Guillen started the season slow, and on May 19th he collided with Al Martin, with Martin ending up concussed.
Guillen progressively felt worse and worse. People figured he was suffering the after-effects of the collision. He didn't say anything to Lou Piniella. It's around now that I'm going to begin with the blockquotes. Ken Daley:
Every morning Carlos Guillen woke up and wondered how he was going to play a baseball game that night.
His head ached. His chest felt almost bruised, as if he had been taking hard jabs the night before. His cough had turned his throat as raw as sandpaper.
His sheets were damp from the fever he was running. And the bed, which had become his haven, was becoming harder and harder to leave.
Teammates said he had been ill and had occasional nosebleeds, but he hadn't complained to manager Lou Piniella or team coaches.
Pitcher Jose Paniagua said Guillen had been sick for about three months and had told him he suspected the blood he was losing was from his lungs, and not his nose.
Further:
Piniella thought Guillen's performance was a tad lackadaisical during the team's trip to Texas last week, and asked coach Dave Myers to talk with the shortstop. Guillen did not offer illness as an excuse. He merely told Myers, "I'll pick it up."
KOMO:
Because tuberculosis is a contagious disease that spreads through the air like the common cold, the Mariners players were concerned about their own health and the health of their children.
Carlos Guillen was severely ill. He was severely ill, and getting iller, for months. He didn't say anything to the team, even when presented with an opportunity. And the team, for its part, somehow didn't notice. The Seattle Mariners weren't worried too much about their ill regular shortstop and were surprised when tests in late September revealed tuberculosis. Tuberculosis! That Guillen had been playing through for months!
Guillen put up an 87 OPS+ that year over 140 games. The year before, he had an 86 OPS+. His numbers in the second half were better than his numbers in the first half. He was batting .439 in September before he went to the hospital and found out he had tuberculosis.
Tuberculosis!
The Carlos Guillen story is insane. I can't believe that happened. I can't believe that happened the same year the Mariners won 116 games. Guillen returned to play in the ALCS half a month later. Given all of the injuries Guillen has faced over his career, I'm sure there are a lot of people who think he's a wimp. Carlos Guillen isn't a wimp, to the point where he endangered his own life.
The Carlos Guillen tuberculosis story is old now. He doesn't have tuberculosis anymore. (We think.) What he has is an assortment of skills that is a lesser assortment of skills than he used to have. Maybe he still has enough to contribute. Maybe he doesn't. The Mariners will decide on that within a couple of months.
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What has always amazed me is not that he didn't mention it to anyone, as we know how stupid athletes can be about injuries and illness and playing time
but that none of the other guys mentioned their worries to any one.
by msb on Feb 1, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
He should just rub some dirt on it.
It being the lungs. To sop up some of the blood. You know, nevermind.
by JY on Feb 1, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For this reason I think he's far more deserving of the Doc Holliday nickname than certain other individuals who shall remain nameless
by OlSalty on Feb 1, 2012 2:05 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
I wonder if this presages a Chone Figgins move.
by Smegmalicious on Feb 1, 2012 2:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That was my first thought too
Though replacing one with the other really seems like a lateral move at best given the fact that Guillen is fragile and not athletic enough to play the outfield. I guess I’m okay with that if it means chipping away at the $8 million Figgins is owed in 2013, but I’m not sure it makes 2012 any less painful.
What are the chances that both Figgy and Guillen make the major league roster out of ST? Nada unless Seager gets hurt, I’d bet.
The most important question
How was the lemonade?
by surfmonkey89 on Feb 1, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Whereas Jose made it, but he was the only one
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 1, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is my favorite move of the offseason
by SuperDopaLiciousFunkStar on Feb 1, 2012 2:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Never should have left
And I’m pretty sure Ichiro is guaranteed to make the team. Even if he doesn’t get a single hit in ST….what, do you really see him getting cut?
Nothing is certain.
Ichiro could die in a plane crash on his way to Arizona, for instance. Compared to other players, his spot is pretty much guaranteed to him, but that it’s guaranteed that on opening day Ichiro is a member of the Seattle Mariners, no one can be 100% sure, except for time traveler Jeff.
My first thought was yay, Carlos Guillen.
Then I remembered he’s 36.
:(
Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan
Carlos Guillen is so old... that he once got Tuberculosis!
No, really…
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by Kenneth Arthur on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
If he got TB as a yout
Think of all the horrific diseases he could get as an old man. Think of all the interesting headlines and articles we could be reading this season. This really is an exciting move.
by Craptastic-J on Feb 2, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
How on earth could he get those two confused
Jose Lopez is good. Carlos Guillen was drunk while driving
Not Jose Lopez
Jose Guillen. They both have the same last name. And were at one point in their carreers, even if briefly, decent ballplayers. And have been Mariners.
by Bradley Barwell on Feb 1, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
So? Does that mean he can only get colds from Venezuela?
You are so racist
How does that make me a racist
all I am trying to do is provide you with medical facts, which I think I am qualified to do as the only MD in residence in this thread
by seattlebruin on Feb 1, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Heyooooooooooooooooo
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
by JAH on Feb 1, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Just because you're Korean doesn't make you a doctor
by Matthew on Feb 1, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Oh now who's the racist
I should start making up facts about your people too
You're Korean?
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
If it's accuracy you want, then you'd better refer to the only professional engineer in this thread.
Nah, he had TB not a PE.
Serena Williams had a PE.
It makes sense, in that he can play the outfield (sorta) and third base.
But I really don’t think he’d be much of a step up over Figgins. Neither would be very good, and Figgins’ durability would be nice.
That's right.
If we have someone on this team that we expect to provide no value, we need to be able to rely on them to do it.
Even though you're being sarcastic, that is what I meant.
Having somebody who can play 3b and the outfield on the roster will be important if the team stays the way it is. If they go with Guillen and scrap Figgins, it’ll make a square peg for a round hole on the bench when/if Guillen gets hurt.
I do agree with you on Figgins vs. Guillen.
It would just be nice if the team had a choice with an incremental value over zero.
He's not that far removed from being an average-ish 2B/3B bat
I think he’s a much better bet to be a useful regular than Figgins
This Year's Adam Kennedy...
So would that make Kennedy “Son of Sir Hugs-A-Lot”, and Guillen “Sir Hugs-A-Lot, The Third”? And if so, where does Jack Cust fit in?
Also: Who’s gonna be this year’s Eric Byrnes?
The role of Eric Byrnes will be played by no one since he was terrible at baseball and blonde and oh wait hey Michael Saunders
by abender20 on Feb 1, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
If that's the criteria then I call dibs on being the 2013 Eric Byrnes
since Saunders will be biking off into the sunset this year.
by Eyebrows on Feb 1, 2012 4:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
In that case you better work on your swing.
You wouldn’t want to accidentally make too much contact and generate too many hits and prove to be more useful than Eric Byrnes.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Feb 1, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I want Eric Byrnes and Nyjer Morgan to get together
and go fucking batshit insane.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Feb 1, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Nyjer Morgan and Ochocinco are the same person
I mean, has anyone seen them in the same place at the same time?
I think Jack Cust is now an Astro or something.
He’s in the best shape of his life,
ignacio
This is just a rationalization for losing in 2001
but didn’t the entire team get TB innoculations after this discovery? The side effects of which can be lethargy? Always blamed the loss in the playoffs on this, because as a human, I like to ascribe reasons to random variations of chance.
Also...
playing a team in the ALCS so `roided up they appeared later that year in the SNL skit “The All-Drug Olympics” probably didn’t help.
Im sure they probably did
I was in juvie at the time and everyone in the KC jail system had to take mandatory TB tests. Ever since I’ve had this irrational dislike of Carlos Guillen and blame him personally for having near frozen gel injected into my arm. I hate needles. Damn you Carlos Guillen!
by CMoney87 on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Ooh, I didn't know about this reason!
That’s much better than my tendency to blame everything on Arthur Rhodes and his stupid fallability.
Carlos Guillen
and Chone Figgins would make a perfect platoon at the Water Distribution Engineer position.
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by qwertyiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm on Feb 1, 2012 5:37 PM PST reply actions
Is that real, or is it just some running joke?
Why would he care if there are Venezuelans on the team? I could understand why he’d be more comfortable with fellow Spanish-speakers, but there’s not really that big a difference in accents between Caribbean Spanish and what you’d find in South America (now if we were talking a player from Spain, that might be different).
I’m sure he’d have an easier time talking with Montero or Olivo than Jaso, but beyond that..?
I’m probably overthinking it. I have a tendency to that ;\
It's a Mexican/not Mexican thing
Guillen is Mexican, like Olivo and Paxton. We’ve just been a bit short since Jose Lopez left the team
by seattlebruin on Feb 2, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The thing I will always thing of when I think of Carlos Guillen
is the press conference Lou Pinella had after Carlos was diagnosed where Lou was almost crying.
I can't imagine Lou crying unless he's angry.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Or he was dreading the upcoming
TB shot.
"Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan
Guillen back with Seattle. Santiago back with Detriot.
Trade now nullified.
by sofa_king on Feb 1, 2012 7:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Bret Boone! Raul Ibanez!
Jeff Nelson!
Miguel Olivo!
Arthur Rhodes!
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Jeff Nelson was a rebel reliever who played by his own rules.
He got worse when he left, was better when he came back then was worse when he came back again.
Bone chips in your elbow or coughing up blood
I gotta go with TB on the toughness scale, just for the visual effect more than anything
Adrian Beltre laughs at all those wimps.
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
by JAH on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Beltre takes the cake, probably even higher up than Josias, only because Adrian played through it.
However, I still vividly remember watching the Nomar Garciaparra Groin rupture. Aiiiiii!
I agree, Adrian is probably the toughest guy out there
Josias had his removed as a result, whereas Adrian’s was ‘merely’ contused. Still hurts just thinking of it.
Anyway, I cannot hear about a testicle injury without thinking of Josias.
Neat, now he can entertain Felix with stories about him and Freddy used to go out and get stoned all the time.
Or drunk. Or both.
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You're 100% wrong about Ichiro
The chances they could start the season in Japan without Ichiro and without starting a serious riot are zero.
by Breadbaker on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I thought it had been established that Kawasaki might have pulled a single asian utility player number on Ichiro by then.
So, there’s greater than zero chance Ichiro doesn’t make the trip.
Oh, he'll make the trip
What do you think that suitcase is for?
(Sure, it contains a lifesize Ichiro Doll coming over; but going back…)
by J0SER on Feb 1, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Japanese Riot?
All of a sudden I have images of thousands of people looking karaoke bars and exotic pet shops and then getting back to their homes and realizing they only have 4 square feet of space left in their apartment and calmly returning everything.
Also, Japanese Riot is the name of my The Vapors cover band.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Feb 2, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure I can fathom one, really.
Japanese are publicly relaxed and only passionate in private. The post tsunami days should tell you everything you need to know. No looting. No rioting. Theirs is an impressive culture.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Feb 3, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Larry Stone today on Carlos' return
and the nose-dive the team took about then
also, an old Finnegan piece about pitchers pitching through pain and not telling anyone

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