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BA's Top 10 M's Prospects

I still like reading these because I think that it's neat that Conor got a job working for them, and now gets to write these lists every year. Here's what he came up with:

1. Jesus Montero, c

2. Taijuan Walker, rhp

3. Danny Hultzen, lhp

4. James Paxton, lhp

5. Nick Franklin, 2b/ss

6. Francisco Martinez, 3b

7. Chance Ruffin, rhp

8. Tom Wilhelmsen, rhp

9. Vinnie Catricala, 3b/1b/of

10. Phillips Castillo, of

Star-divide

My Prospcect Handbook came in yesterday and it was written before the Pineda trade was public, so the major changes are that Campos was fifth back then and Montero is obviously first now. Catricala was also considered our best hitter for average pre-Montero, and Liddi, our best power hitter. Otherwise, relative to last year's top thirty, there were quite a few names dropping in and out and there's now a "Deceased" next to Halman's name, which doesn't get any easier to see.

If you've followed my work for a little while, you can probably get at certain misgivings that I'd have about this thing. I'm not a huge fan of putting relievers all that high, and much as I like Wilhelmsen, the age alone would make me shy away from putting him at #8 as I feel that's misleading. Similarly, while I found it comforting to hear that Ruffin's heater is a bit better than I had previously heard (I had him 91-3, they have him 92-5) as well as praise for his slider, there's a bit of cognitive dissonance that goes firing in my brain when I see him advertised as a middle reliever in the near term. That's a little hard for me to reconcile with the placement. And I'd probably go with Pryor as our closer of the future, but that's me.


The other issue is something that you've probably seem me remark on before is the placement of Francisco Martinez at #6. I'm well aware of the fact that everyone in the tools-oriented prospecting community loves him and is willing to cut him quite a lot of slack for being promoted as aggressively as he has been (he just turned 21 in September). Still, we're talking about a guy who hit twenty-one doubles and ten home runs last year (add in seven triples, and however you weight those), walked just twenty-three times (five fewer than he did in 135 fewer plate appearances the previous season), and struck out over a hundred times. His speed is taken as a plus in his ledger, a rarity for a third baseman, but he was caught as many times as he stole a base last year. To be fair, he did play a bit better after the trade, unlike certain outfielders, but I feel like the youth/level logic can often lead us astray. This is going to be an obvious experiment, but go with me on this for a second.


Player A (21): 132 G (AA/AAA), 550 PA, 506 AB, 142 H, 28 2B, 3 3B, 6 HR, 88/27 K/BB, .281/.332/.383

Player B (21): 124 G (AA), 509 PA, 477 AB, 138 H, 21 2B, 7 3B, 10 HR, 104/23 K/BB, .289/.321/.426


Everyone gets what I'm doing, right? Player A is a shortstop, ranked 25th for us? Player B is the third baseman we've been talking about? It's Triunfel and Martinez. Did I mention that Erie has a 132 RH park factor for HR where Jackson has 103? I probably should mention that.


Anyway, Conor did some good things in his top thirty as well. I was pleased to see Castillo ranked higher than Pimentel, Erasmo get a bit of love outside the top ten (along with Maurer outside the 20), and Chiang, Chavez, and Littlewood treated with a certain amount of skepticism, but on the larger scale, it does seem a little like a standard prospect list. It's not surprising in any positive or interesting way.

Chat will be at noon our time. I don't know that I have any major questions to ask, but hey, I might.

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I don't know if this is just a Mariners thing

But I feel like for the past few years BA has always had a reliever ranked in the M’s Top 10. None of them ever seem to amount to much and I have to think we have 10 prospects that project to have more value than say a Chance Ruffin or a Josh Fields

by Punkhazard on Jan 27, 2012 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

Off the top of my head

Josh Fields, Dan Cortes, Phillippe Aumonte, and Josh Lueke. None of these guys are really that good

by Punkhazard on Jan 27, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

God that was a shitty pick.

I mean, it seemed like a poor idea at the time, but it just got worse and worse.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

What I didn't understand

was why Z signed Fields after the change to the compensation system. As I understood, he could’ve had a redo. Unless maybe it was a political issue with MLB or something.

by jose luis on Jan 27, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa thanks

This is one of those questions that my brain was not willing to let go of.

That seems like a plausible answer and I’m grateful for it.

by jose luis on Jan 27, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

What happened yesterday, radio interview or something?

Anything I’d be able to find online? I’m not questioning the validity of your comment, this just sounds interesting.

by Kermit. on Jan 27, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Larry Stone has the transcript.

In it, you’ll find him referencing (paraphrasing) the mess the previous regime left him, including Josh Fields.

You know what, I don’t have a magic wand. There’s nothing I can do to to go, boom, this happened overnight. Boom, we can fix every ill this organization has had for the past number of years.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure where he gets off blaming Josh Fields on Bavasi.

I mean, yeah sure, Bavasi / Fontaine drafted him, but Z didn’t have to sign him either.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 27, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I just now noticed this whole subthread has been about this.

And I’m just repeating shit already said. Apologies all.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 27, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

And we'd probably have Mike Trout instead

HHHHNNNNNNGGGGGHHHHH

[note: that’s entirely speculative and not true at all but the fact remains we COULD have had Trout instead of Fields]

by cwel87 on Jan 27, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the right year

And yes I get the point, the fact remains: signing Fields was a waste. Perhaps it was a calculated waste by Zduriencik as others have suggested, but it was nonetheless a waste.

by cwel87 on Jan 27, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No

If a first round draft pick doesn’t sign with a team, that team gets reimbursed with a pick the following draft that, slot wise, is similar to the previous draft.

We took Fields in the 2008 draft. Mike Trout was taken in the 2009 draft. Our compensation pick in the 2009 draft could have hypothetically netted Trout.

by cwel87 on Jan 27, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

That's kinda the point though.

It’s a lot easier to imagine what-if scenarios on bad decisions that shouldn’t have been made. Both are equally as fruitless, sure, but you don’t lament the good decisions that unpredictably went awry nearly as much.

by MT Olson on Jan 28, 2012 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Joshua Fields was a terrible draft choice by terrible management. But that has nothing to do with compensatory picks, which you inaccurately refuted me regarding. I corrected your assertion by telling you how it actually works, and you decide to be snarky because you’ve been proven wrong?

Not to mention a number of other members have made this exact notation because, as Olson alluded to, the drafting of Josh Fields was really fucking stupid. And the signing of him was, at best, a calculated business decision that had nothing to do with improving the talent in the Mariners system.

The whole Josh Fields saga was idiotic. There’s no harm in learning from it.

by cwel87 on Jan 28, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

You are forgetting that with Class D compensation picks

That you only get one if you make a fair offer to the drafted player and the player refuses. If you dont make any offer you dont get compensation.

Dave Krieg!

by Pebohead on Jan 31, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not inaccurate.

Cortes was #10 last year, and #9 the year before. Mark Lowe was #8 in 2008. There were no pure relievers in 2009 though, at least none that we regarded as relievers at the time (most still thought JC Ramirez and Aumont would start).

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you that outside of maybe Catricala and Castillo I don't like the 6-10 very much

I’d rather just exclude all relievers unless they’re of the caliber to be a truly dominant closer type that can provide a great deal of value, unless there’s really nobody with projectably greater value at a more premium position which I don’t think is the case here. There should be some positional consideration brought into it I think and that should move the middle relief way down the list in this case.

by OlSalty on Jan 27, 2012 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

Wasn't Francisco Martinez 20 last year?

And Carlos Triunfel 21? Shouldn’t you use Triunfel’s 2010 AA numbers as a 20 year old, which are .260/.288/.334, which are a lot worse than Martinez’s .289/.321/.426?

I realize the difference is like 6 months, so Triunfel’s like a really young 21 year old while Martinez is a really old 20 year old, but still.

by valencia on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

Not much

I think the bigger issue is the 129 games (or 136) Triunfel had in AA prior to 2011 vs Martinez’s zero. And even with that 129 game head start they hit pretty similarly.

by valencia on Jan 27, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It's just one can of worms after another.

We’d also have to consider that Triunfel busted his fibula (I believe), missed an entire season, and after the injury no one was quite sure if he’d still be able to play at the same level.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good player comparison I think.

I’m still waiting to see more power out of him before I’m comfortable with that, but it’s about the best comp I’ve seen.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it might be of interest to people to see what John Sickel's said about Andrew Carraway, as he was noting "Interesting Grade C Prospects" today:
Carraway was a 12th round pick in 2009 from the University of Virginia. He doesn’t generate much buzz due to a mediocre fastball in the 86-90 range, but he has a good curveball and will mix in some sliders and changeups. The best thing he does is throw strikes, and he pitched well in Double-A last year after surviving the murderous environment at High Desert in ‘10 with his sanity intact. You won’t see his name on many prospect lists, but Carraway is the type of efficiency expert who could sneak his way into some major league success as a fifth starter or long reliever, especially in a pitcher’s park like Seattle. Grade C.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 27, 2012 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

Well sure,

But what about this other Carraway I’ve been hearing about? Out of West Egg?

by Liebkartoffel on Jan 27, 2012 4:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The top 5 for this org seems pretty straight forward.

I’d have Catricala 6th and no relievers in sight as well as sending Martinez down a spot or two since, you know, his actual numbers. I usually am right in line with Conor’s thoughts but this one seems a bit weird.

by abender20 on Jan 27, 2012 12:58 PM PST reply actions  

Check back in a few weeks and we'll see how insane grad school is making me.

I know that I’m probably going to be doing a top ten hitters and top ten pitchers for Grand Salami and something might grow out of that, but the baseball schedule is brutal for me because the times when I don’t have games to keep up with, I’m in school.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I was sure glad last summer:

When finals came the week after the season ended. Though I was in class all night the last day of the season. Missed all the fun!

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". ~Rogers Hornsby

by extavernmouse on Jan 27, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I like that the top 5 is a solid, mostly unquestionable top 5 and I also kind of like that people have varying opinions on a bunch of guys that could be 6-10.

The last time the farm system was this good or at least this interesting, clearly happened at a time before I followed minor league baseball.

Vinny Catricala defense versus Jesus Montero defense. Nobody would question that Montero is a better bat (or one of the best in the minors) but when it comes to two guys that appear to be all-offense, little-to-no defense, does Cat’s ranking imply more about how good Montero’s bat is, or does it imply that there are some holes in Catricala’s bat? Any idea where Catricala will be playing defense to start the year?

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 27, 2012 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

The last time the farm system was this good was in the early-mid '00's

Clint Nageotte, Trevor Blackman, Ryan Anderson, someone shoot me

by cwel87 on Jan 27, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

:-(

Apparently my brain doesn’t want to remember him.

Good job, brain. Keep it up.

by cwel87 on Jan 27, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh, well I guess both made the top 100 list at one point which I didn't remember.

I still don’t think they were thought of as highly as Hultzen, Walker and Paxton though.

by KC Mariner on Jan 27, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

They weren't as highly thought of (save Anderson), I acknowledge that

But the general lesson stands the test of time: no quality prospect pool is a sure thing. Appreciate all the good that comes of Paxton/Walker/Hultzen, and in the same breath, take none for granted should they find success.

by cwel87 on Jan 27, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're forgetting Soriano

He may not have been quite as highly ranked as Hultzen/Walker, but was certainly above where most seem to have Paxton.

by dnc on Jan 28, 2012 3:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I did forget about him, you're right.

He cracked the top 100 a couple of times so he had the hype. I remember being excited for him, but looking at him more as the future closer rather than a starter.

by KC Mariner on Jan 28, 2012 3:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Better than just top 100

He was #27 in 03 and #30 in 02. He was a pretty bigtime prospect.

I remember the conventional wisdom was that he could end up in relief, but Dave Cameron and Churchill (among others) argued pretty passionately that he could more than succeed as a starter. I bought into their arguments (and if his arm would have held up, I still think they would have been right).

by dnc on Jan 28, 2012 4:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Where would [Buxton/Unknown 3rd pick] fall into this our org rankings.

In other words, are you going to be preparing another “Our new top prospect is _” post at draft time?

by stredarts on Jan 27, 2012 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

If you're generous and predict...

Moore, Teheran, Miller, Bauer, Cole, Banuelos, Turner and Hultzen all graduate or significantly falter over the course of 2012, Walker would have to make tremendous improvements to pass Taillon and Bundy and maybe even Skaggs.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily agree, but arguing a few positional spots on a rankings list is hardly worth it.

I think you could find a few scouts that would argue Walker as perhaps the next Shelby Miller in terms of a year over year jump.

I think we all expect Moore/Teheran to graduate for sure and a couple of those other guys. Matt Moore made a similar jump himself and no, I’m not comparing the two, I’m just saying that these things happen. And I don’t think he’d have to make “tremendous improvements” He was tremendous last year and he was a great repertoire as it is. He just needs to continue to show that this year, which is never a guarantee.

Annnddd if he dominates in High Desert?

Nobody is arguing that it wouldn’t take an awesome season, beyond odds, to become the #1 pitching prospect in baseball. But Walker is one of only a handful of guys that seemingly have that shot for the 2013 prospect lists.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 27, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I do not agree with this assessment

Walker would have to make strides, yes – but that’s the expectation for a 19-year old flame-throwing athlete with three plus or better pitches, no?

And with his ridiculously young age, those strides he makes wouldn’t have to be exactly world-beating to have him in the conversation as the best pitching prospect out there. He’s got incredible potential.

by cwel87 on Jan 27, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I'm just wondering if the talent in the system is peaking,

Walker and Paxton are to some extent surprises, so in some ways you couldn’t have seen this strong pitching class coming. But with when that pitching graduates the team is going to need some more guys to show surprise upside.

by stredarts on Jan 28, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I got questions answered about Chiang and Marder...
Conor Glassey: Back-to-back diabetes questions for JY!

I’m sooo glad Conor is doing these now.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

It's behind the pay wall now, so I'm a little leery of sharing too much.

Marder, it’s pretty straightforward. It’s hard to tell how catching will affect him with the insulin pump. Chiang is a different matter, but it didn’t seem like his poor performance after the trade was health-related.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you blow $15-20M on Soler?

The idea of him and Buxton makes me giddy. If only we could have got Josh Bell last year :(

by valencia on Jan 27, 2012 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

we could still get Soler before the new CBA change

one last hurrah, fuck you Bud Selig before it happens?

whatever, I guess I’ll go rosterbate to a Bell/Soler/Buxton prospect OF

by valencia on Jan 27, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeff summarized them on SB Nation Baseball a few months back.

Link here

The gist of it is that, in lieu of hard slotting, there was a compromise on the draft where each team is allotted a bonus pool for the first ten rounds. If they exceed that, they have to pat a certain percentage in fines and in extreme cases may forfeit their high picks in the next season or two seasons. In addition, after the first ten rounds, you get penalized for signing any player for more than $100k.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Draft cap and International spending cap

Callis: The new CBA provides for a $2.9 million international cap for each team for the 2012-13 signing period, which doesn’t start until July 2. As long as Soler signs before then, he won’t be subject to the cap. And even if he were, he’s talented enough and the penalties for busting the cap are so light (a 100-percent tax on the overage and a prohibition on signing any international player for more than $250,000 in the next signing period) that I bet several clubs would be willing to exceed the $2.9 million.

by valencia on Jan 27, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't have access to anything beyond top tens and I'm not a huge researcher, so forgive me if this is easily found somewhere.

I know we took a bunch of catchers in the draft and I’m curious to know where people are ranking them (especially Marlette) within the organizational rankings.

by MT Olson on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

(nods)

Choi fell off the list entirely, what with the not playing last season.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh right I forgot.

I just googled it and one column said knee and another Larry Stone thing said shoulder. And a M’s farm review review said back injuries. I assume he’s just fucked.

by MT Olson on Jan 27, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that I disagree, or that I don't wish the Mariners hadn't signed Fields, but wasn't the whole thing with Trout that you had to actually have scouts in Jersey?

I just wonder how much the Mariners (or any team for that matter) were in on him. Aware of him of course, but I just remember that whole “Baseball players don’t come out of New Jersey” thing as a reason he slipped… people weren’t getting a chance to see enough of him. Though, these days with the internet and youtube, it’s hard not to be well aware of all the great high school prospects.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 27, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

NJ is not an area that we've traditionally scouted very heavily.

But we do have some people on the ground in that area. We’ve had two or more picks out of New York the past three seasons and drafted and signed one guy out of Jersey this past year.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Still on the 40-man.

Hasn’t been mentioned much since Jaso was acquired. Less after Montero. And he’s passed the realm of prospect eligibility.

by JY on Jan 28, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Either that, or he's traded.

With Montero, Olivo, and Jaso around it’s hard to see a place for him, assuming that we start the season with those three.

by JY on Jan 28, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If Adam Moore is healthy isn't there an argument that he might be nearly as good as Olivo or Jaso

I’d rather dump Olivo’s salary. Especially if we think Montero is gonna play catcher at least some of the year.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 28, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

That assumes there's a market for Olivo.

I wouldn’t rule it out, but I would probably think that Olivo sticks around because of continuity. Moore has been around long enough to know a few of the pitchers on staff, true enough, but Olivo caught nearly twice as many games last season as Moore has in his whole MLB career.

by JY on Jan 28, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I feel like we are all forgetting the hopes we had for Moore

He put up pretty solid numbers in the minors. I guess before we just ditch him it would be good to really think long and hard about why we think we should keep Olivo and Jaso over Moore.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 28, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Olivo's salary is hardly a concern.

Which also makes him tradeable, in my opinion. Still, I don’t think Z would send him to a place where he wouldn’t be the starting catcher and I don’t see any positions open at the moment around the league.

Might be one of those cases where you wait for someone’s starting catcher to get injured first, then pursue the idea.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 28, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I have irrational like for Olivo. Regarding Jesus coming he said
“I talked to him a couple minutes ago and he said he’d be next to me all the time,” Olivo said. "I told him he’s welcome to come and I’ll help him with everything I’ve learned in baseball. I told him, ‘The days you catch, I’ll be looking at you to see what you’re doing wrong. And the days you hit, maybe I’ll learn something about hitting from you.’

by wazzu93 on Jan 29, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Thoughts on relievers

I agree with your points about the placement of the relievers, it is a bit perplexing. Ruffin really does not have the plus-plus stuff to give him the kind of upside to rank him that high while Wilhelmsen is rather old. I really would take some of the younger starting pitching talent or raw/high upside positional talent in the system than them.

Quick question, what are your thoughts on Pryor? Statistically, he had a very nice second-half of the season in AA that I think went largely unnoticed. His seasonal age was only 21, which is still on the young side for AA in the first go around. I have not seen an updated scouting report on him for a year but if he has somewhere near the same stuff he had when he was drafted, I could see him being the top relief prospect in the system.

Since Leuke left, the upper parts of the system are stretched on relief talent and the lower end has no real standout performers yet. Morban is probably the closest competitor but he also had a rough first half and does not have anywhere near the pure stuff that Pryor has.

by tdot mariner fan on Jan 27, 2012 3:56 PM PST reply actions  

I think Jay would agree with you...

“I’d probably go with Pryor as our closer of the future, but that’s me.”

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 27, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yay reading comprehension

To elaborate a little, Pryor’s stuff might be the best of any of our relievers, but he was out at the beginning of the season and started out pretty slowly due to some elbow tendonitis. That’s smoke and not fire, but would still be enough of a concern for some to drop him a bit.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, I have no idea how I missed that/or forgot that so quickly, I did read the entire article

I am just really surprised that Ruffin is rating higher than Pryor. Even Sickels has him as a B- saying,

Borderline C+: His upside is limited, but he’s ready now, and while he doesn’t have classic closer stuff, it would not surprise me to see him get a shot in that role eventually".

It is interesting to hear about the tendonitis, I did not know about that. It would be nice to see Pryor make it and give us a decent chance at a cheap elite reliever. Looking at linescores is not the same.

By the way, good to see you are still doing stuff after finishing at MarinersMinors altthough I will miss it after reading it for I don’t know 5+ years now, I think.

by tdot mariner fan on Jan 27, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Conor's remarks in the handbook were pretty darned positive.

Since he has the scouting contacts, I’d take that as good.

And yeah, I will kind of miss doing the write-ups, and feel bad about people not having them, but I’m gaining 10-15 hours a week by not doing them which is no small thing. I probably wouldn’t have gone into as much depth as I did today if not for the fact that it’s just easier for me to get this kind of thing done on a Friday.

by JY on Jan 27, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Cross this with the Crazy Boromir gif

he’d fit right in. (“What we need at third base is a ninja . . . or a wizard . . . a ninja wizard! Who shoots laser beams out his eyes! That would be cool.”)

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by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 31, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

He looks strangely like Jack Nicholson.

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by beastwarking on Feb 1, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Not as rediculous as Miguel Cabrera at 3rd in 2012.

If Montero could play passable defense at 3rd, which I don’t think is an unreasonable expectation of a converted catcher, I think that would be a good situation for the current roster and for Montero’s future. Mike Sweeney is a similar body type with similar hitting prowess who caught for the first 5 years of his career, and if he had not maybe he would’nt have become such a lemon due to his injuries.

by brodiewr on Jan 27, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

At 22 years old,

its not unheard of to yet occupy a different spot on the baseball field. Each position is not a different species of man.

by brodiewr on Jan 27, 2012 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Carp, Wil Myers, Yonder Alonso

Lots of guys convert to corner OF at the big league level. 3B’s a bit different but it’s not unheard of.

Moot point though I think Montero sticks at C.

by valencia on Jan 27, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

A buddy from work was at Alonso's infamous LF start at Wrigley Field.

I think it still keeps him up at night. Maybe with some time he could have stuck in the OF, but damn was that game ugly.

by KC Mariner on Jan 28, 2012 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

MLB isn't little league.

It takes a lot of study and hard work to change positions and some are more demanding than others. 3B isn’t an easy position and taking a guy built like Montero who has no background at that position as a professional and deciding to move him isn’t just something the Mariners should do on a whim. There’s gaping holes at C and DH on the team already, Montero fills both of them, why try to get him to fill another?

by KC Mariner on Jan 27, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   5 recs

Because he'd have a lot more value there if he proves he can handle the position?

I’m not saying I would suggest that the Mariners make this move, but there have been countless examples of teams moving players to an unfamiliar position. Dustin Ackley being a recent example. As far as we know, it’s entirely within the realm of possibility that he could make this move and learn to play the position well. It’s certainly something I could see the Mariners trying at some point, just to see him at third and gauge whether there’s potential for him to adapt to the position. Teams do things like this all the time, and sometimes it works out better than you could expect.

by nathaniel dawson on Jan 28, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

He would have more value at 3B if he could handle the position, that's true.

The problem is that Seager is a much more likely bet to handle 3B in 2012 and going forward then Montero. Seager might not be the long term answer at 3B, but for a team with as many question marks as the Mariners have with their younger players, why add yet another by switching Montero’s position? If he proves to be unable to handle catching after this season then it would make sense to explore a position switch if there’s a hole at that position. If Seager exceeds all expectations this season there might not be a hole at 3B going into the off season.

by KC Mariner on Jan 29, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Question

Has Carlos Triunfel completely fallen out of the the top prospects list because no one knows how he will recover from his injuries, or was there been performance issues that I can’t seem to really find on the internets?

by InSpokane on Jan 29, 2012 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

There were some remarks up the page on it.

Ctrl + F is a lovely thing to have. Anyway, that covered his offense somewhat , the defense these days is pretty much that he’s capable of playing short now and his arm is his best tool, which covers for certain deficiencies he might experience in his range. Since his offense doesn’t really show much indication that it will improve, thanks to a wretched approach, he’s probably not much more than a back-up/utility type.

by JY on Jan 29, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for rehashing.

I think I missed it when I skimmed through some the not so useful comments.

by InSpokane on Jan 29, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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