On Hector Noesi
Good afternoon. All right, let's get started. No time to dick around. I've got things to do and bagels to eat. I guess that should count as a thing to do. I've got things to do. Slowly but surely I'm going to make this blog all about snacks.
Courtesy of the awesome StatCorner, we have some pitch-by-pitch data on Hector Noesi stretching back into 2010, covering his time in triple-A and the Majors. In all, we have data on 1,626 pitches. A little less than half of them were thrown as a starter, mostly in triple-A. A little more than half of them were thrown as a reliever, mostly in the Majors. Let's check out Noesi's strike rates:
Starter: 66.6%
Reliever: 66.9%
On their own, maybe those numbers don't tell you very much. But know that those strike rates are well above the average. The average strike rate in the Majors is about 63 percent. The average strike rate in triple-A is probably roughly the same. Noesi has been a superb strike-thrower at the highest two levels, and based on his impressive numbers from double-A and single-A, I'm guessing he was a superb strike-thrower at those levels, too.
That's good. Strikes are good! It bodes well for Noesi's future as a starter in the bigs that he's able to throw so many strikes. Here's a list of the Major League starters from last season who posted strike rates between 66 and 67 percent:
Rodrigo Lopez
Brad Bergesen
Kyle Lohse
Matt Garza
Bronson Arroyo
Blake Beavan
Roy Oswalt
Dan Haren
Phil Hughes
Ian Kennedy
Carl Pavano
Javier Vazquez
Michael Pineda
Jon Niese
CC Sabathia
Tim Wakefield
They're not all good and they're not all bad, but, combined, those 16 starters averaged a 4.15 ERA and a 3.97 FIP that's pretty much right on the average mark. If you're familiar with FIP-, the group had an average FIP- of 100. Average.
Of course, a starting pitcher doesn't only need to be able to throw strikes. And Noesi has never been much for groundballs, meaning he will allow his homers. But he doesn't exactly go out there tossing hittable slop. Noesi has a legitimate repertoire, and his contact rates have been perfectly acceptable. You see Blake Beavan up there on the list of strike throwers. Beavan isn't a groundballer, either. But Beavan allows contact rates in the mid- to high-80s. He is, or at least he has been, a one-skill pitcher. Noesi has flashed a second skill that gives him real upside.
Not spectacular upside, but upside. And this isn't even taking into account Noesi's possible velocity gain. He started 11 games in winter ball and didn't allow a single dinger. John Halama allowed three dingers. John Halama was in winter ball with Hector Noesi.
Noesi still needs to be stretched out. He's started all of eight games in triple-A and two games in the Majors. Last season in New York, his high pitch count was 71. He needs to build up his stamina. And Noesi's no guarantee to find success as a starter, just as no one's a guarantee to find success as a starter. We'll see how Hector Noesi turns out. But he's shown pretty good pitches. He's thrown a lot of strikes. He's missed enough bats. He's avoided a major platoon split. Noesi has positive indicators, and like Dave said, as much as all the focus has been on Jesus Montero, Noesi's a potentially significant second piece. He turns just 25 on Thursday, and he could be a cost-controlled starting pitcher for a long time.
Given the pronunciation, "Noesi" has been twisted by some into "No acey". It could just as easily be twisted into "No easy". Actually wait, this is stupid, let me come up with a better conclusion. One minute.
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I hope the conclusion is a blazing bagel.
With their honey, raisin and walnut cream cheese. Oh my god that was the shit. Why can’t we have those in Aus?
Maaaaan.
You guys lose out on that one, but by a fairly small margin.
(This is high praise, vegemite is the bomb).
by Aussie Mariner on Jan 23, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think vegemite is awesome, other Americans look at me weird when I tell them.
by Patrick Stites on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You sir, are clearly a man who appreciates the finer things in life.
I tip my hat to you, sir.
by Aussie Mariner on Jan 24, 2012 4:35 AM PST up reply actions
I would pronounce it "No-eh-see".
by Eyebrows on Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That would be the Canadian "eh."
Let’s just make it clearer: “No-ay-see”
by Eyebrows on Jan 23, 2012 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I thought, but Jeff seems to indicate it's wrong "No-acey".
by the other side on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I would...
go with “no-eh-si” but not the Canadian “ay” based on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN3KwGh7eDM
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by noeffortatall on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
And if you're wondering...
That interview is a whole bunch of boring bullshit. I’d translate it if there was anything interesting in there.
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by noeffortatall on Jan 23, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
No, it's No-AY-see, Spanish-wise.
Sans an accent, the stress is always on the penultimate syllable, and that syllable is the “e,” which makes a long “a” (English) sound when stressed.
Does that always apply for names?
I know that’s true for “normal” words, but I’m not sure if it’s the same for names.
It's pronounced "no-eh-see"...
in the interview I posted above.
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by noeffortatall on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Spanish rules of pronunciation never change, proper noun or otherwise.
The only exception is with some foreign words or names. But I don’t think Noesi is foreign.
However, people are often lazy when it comes to writing accent marks and especially so when it comes to names. So while Jose is correctly written and pronounced with an accent on the e, it is often written without the accent. But that doesn’t change the pronunciation as the accent is still implicitly there, even if someone was too lazy/ignorant to write it.
I find that explanation odd since I'm a Spanish speaker.
The accent represents an emphasis on the pronunciation. It shouldn’t sound as “Ay”
by Chipanese on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So I was wrong on the José pronunciation, thank you.
I agree with you on this one though, the accent doesn’t change the pronunciation of the E, just where the emphasis is.
Spanish-wise, No-AY-see would be pronounced No-EYE-say. Writing things phonetically in English is really a nightmare.
In any case Héctor Noesí (the diacritics are on his yahoo and wiki page) probably pronounces his own name “incorrectly”, since it’s pretty common for people to americanize their names. I wouldn’t be surprised if ‘eck-tore know-eigh-’see introduces himself as ‘heck-ter know-’ess-ee even though the former is closer to how it should be in Spanish.
by pixburgher on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Diacritics!
Hooray! This clears it up.
Don't we add a "sey" to the end of every player's name to fashion a nickname?
I thought that was how it was done in Seattle. If so, Noesi would become Noesisey.
I thought we added an exclamation mark.
Ichiro!.
Ackley!.
No Acey
is alright, but how about…
No Sexy
Nosey
Who is he
Know, Wait & See
Oh say can you see
by Mariner Optimist on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM PST reply actions
No, because his middle initial is most definitely not E.
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Noesi doesn't keep balls on the ground
But for his minor league career, his HR/BIA% is around (or a little under-statcorner doesnt sum up) 4, statcorner says league average for starters is 6.5%, so the limiting of home runs is nothing new for him.
by Malcontent1 on Jan 23, 2012 3:14 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Both of the minor league parks he played in early in his career had hilariously low homerun rate park factors.
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by CapSea on Jan 23, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He had low HR rates
at every level, including his time as a reliever with the Yankees.
by Malcontent1 on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
He's already a small enough sample even if you do include minor leagues.
Which, by the way, would be depressed anyway due to the presumably low level of home run talent. Once you cut out all of those places that had low home run factors you’re looking at a hilariously small sample as to be almost useless. It’s possible that he does have the ability to limit home runs, but the data can’t show that in any sort of definitive way. All we really know is that he did limit home runs. He has a low pull rate as Matthew pointed out in the last article too but that number needs to be regressed enough that he’s probably closer to MLB average.
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My only point
was that over Noesi’s 400+ professional innings, he’s had a home run rate roughly 40% below (major league) average. The fact that he didnt allow a home run in a league in which John Halama pitched isn’t a new skill(whether he has it or not). Also, why would there be less home run hitting talent, most players pass through the lower leagues at some point, including both power and slap hitters.
by Malcontent1 on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, and my only point is that you have to exclude a huge percentage of those innings because they were in parks with extremely low home run factors.
Once you exclude that data, the rest of it is too small to be meaningful. Or, if you prefer not to exclude data, you can adjust that data based on those park factors and chances are his overall data will look far less impressive. Either way, looking at that information alone isn’t helpful.
Secondly, I think you should rethink that last sentence, because a player that is skilled enough at hitting home runs off presumably major league pitches is likely not in the low minors for long. Quality of competition matters, which is why someone’s numbers in the minors do not translate directly to the majors. Your sentence indicates that because great players started as minor leaguers the quality of competition is the same, and that’s looney tunes. The reason that many players hit home runs in the minors are because they are hitting against shitty pitchers. If you want to assume Noesi is a major league pitcher, then you also have to assume that fewer shitty minor league hitters were able to take advantage of him.
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Obviously
the competition is not the same. Hector Noesi is not the same, he was, I’m guessing, not ready to face major league hitters when he was in A ball. Players pass through, they graduate when their abilities are perceived to be above their level. Noesi spent most of his time in those pitcher friendly parks recovering from Tommy John surgery, so he presumably wasn’t at the top of his game, so perhaps that too should be factored in as well.
by Malcontent1 on Jan 23, 2012 7:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
So basically what you're saying is all of that data from before likely doesn't really represent his abilities.
Perhaps we should exclude it.
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Bring em young
By my count the M’s currently have only 6 players over 30 on the 40 man roster (Ichiro, Figgins, Olivo, Iwakuma, Sherrill, Millwood…am I missing anyone?). Noesi is another intriguing candidate to add to the extremely young, cost-controlled core Jack Z is doing everything he can to assemble. And for the first time in a long time that core includes multiple blue chip bats (and a great opportunity to add another come June). I, for one, think this is a pretty exciting time to be on the Mariner bandwagon. It’s hard to see them breaking out this season, but if/when they do they will be set up for a multi-year run. Lord knows us fans could use one.
And if they make a run this year:
Here are some of the free agents next winter that will be available with the money they won’t spend on Prince this year: Josh Hamilton, Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Zack Greinke, Ichiro Suzuki (ours and you can’t have him), B.J. Upton, Michael Bourn, Yadier Molina, Mike Napoli. Look, there’s even two catchers!
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". ~Rogers Hornsby
*May* be available
There’s a good chance at least a couple of those guys will get locked up by their current teams before ever hitting free agency. (In Upton’s case, that might be a team he’s traded to between now and September)

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