Charlie Furbush Gets Pulled
Earlier, Jeff:
[I]f Charlie Furbush is unusually homer-prone, then that's bad... I know it's strange to talk about someone being "unusually homer-prone" since a lot of writers tie themselves into knots trying to find exceptions to batted ball theory that mostly don't exist, but it isn't out of the question that Furbush could have a problem. Pitchers don't share the same level of ability to prevent fly balls from leaving. Maybe Furbush is below-average in that regard.
Maybe he is, Jeff. Maybe he is. We'd like for him not to be because then he would be a pitcher likely to allow fewer home runs. Since he pitches for the Mariners, allowing fewer home runs is a goal we prefer. Dingers! actually only applies to our hitters. Jeff went on to pose two questions following from the notice of Furbush's continued elevated home run rate. Is it a fluke? Observationally that is difficult to prove or disprove, but there is possible supporting evidence from a step forward in the baseball community's understanding of home run rates.
Mike Fast: The other big issue that I have is that directionality of air balls matters a lot, and pitchers have been shown to have a repeatable skill for this. Pulled air balls go out of the park quite frequently, and opposite field air balls almost never do.
In the linked post, Jeff took that quote and looked at Michael Pineda, noting that Pineda appeared to limit the number of pulled batted balls quite a bit. However, Jeff didn't have the data available to do a systematic evaluation. I now do thanks to a pitch-by-pitch database and in light of the Charlie Furbush discussion highlighted above, I went investigating.
I don't have perfect data for this, nor did I have the patience to construct an optimal model for the data that I do have. I'd prefer to do something in the mold of a three-zone classification of bucketing batted balls into either pulled, up the middle or the other way. However, the data is on a xy-coordinate grid and what's needed is a radial one, like a radar map would have. Therefore, in want of a quick method, I merely drew a line from home plate through second base and split batted balls into either pulled or pushed.
The MLB average (2007-11) for balls landing on the pulled side has been 58.3%. For the probable starters of the 2012 Mariners' rotation, here are their rates.
| Pitcher | Batted Balls | Pull% |
|---|---|---|
| MLB AVERAGE | ---- | 58.3 |
| Felix Hernandez | 3223 | 60.1 |
| Jason Vargas | 1708 | 61.3 |
| Kevin Millwood | 2643 | 54.1 |
| Hector Noesi | 178 | 57.3 |
| Blake Beavan | 376 | 60.1 |
| Charlie Furbush | 269 | 67.3 |
That's potentially good news about Kevin Millwood I suppose. It's worth pointing out that Texas, Baltimore and Colorado have three of baseball's most home run friendly parks. Some figures from now former Mariner starting pitchers include Michael Pineda at 55.5%, Erik Bedard at 55.9% and Doug Fister at 59.2%. Charlie Furbush stands out here for his very high rate of pulled batted balls, albeit with a head-shakily small sample size. In fact, over the period from 2007 to present day, Furbush has the fourth highest pull% among pitchers with at least 250 batted balls.
Furbush's exceeding high pull rate helps to shed light on answering that first question on the matter of Furbush's home run rates. The higher than average rates do seem likely to be partially a product of something that Furbush does. Keep in mind that pull% itself likely needs a decent amount of regression as well. However, there's a more important, but unanswerable, second question. Will that continue in 2012 and beyond? That's as unknowable as just how long past the use by date I can really get by with those eggs in my fridge.
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Is there a place where I can look at heat maps to see if he's throwing inside more often than most?
Is there a way to see if certain pitches are getting pulled more than others?
by Dewey N on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
fangraphs PitchFX
should give you heat maps too
Fantastic Information
This is the first time I’ve seen pull percentage written up. It makes a lot of sense, and would seem like an area ripe for more exploration. It introduces a lot of ancillary questions, having to do with whether or not a pitcher could reduce pull percentage by adjusting his approach, how much a pitcher’s pull percentage varies over time, how much it relates to velocity, pitch location and pitch type, etc. Very interesting.
Could this be influenced a lot by handedness?
I would think that opposite-handed hitters would pull the ball more often than same-handed hitters. Felix has a fairly high rate of pulled balls, which surprised me, but he faces a pretty good amount of lefties. Millwood hasn’t faced nearly the same percentage of lefties in his career as Felix. No surprise that Furbush, being a lefty, has faced a high percentage of righties, as has Jason Vargas.
by nathaniel dawson on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM PST reply actions
Thank you for trying to shed some light
Personally, i have felt for years that some of the things in baseball that get attributed to luck are actually caused by the player. Hr rates is one of those things.
For one thing, if you have a pitcher with average stuff but he has the mentality of an ace, he is probably more likely to throw a strike down the middle to a slugger, whereas most pitchers with average stuff would try to hit the outside of the plate.
It could also be situational. Maybe some pitchers usually have leads early on and they are not as concerned about giving up hr.
Maybe the pitcher gives hitters better stuff to hit when there is no one on base and so he gives up more hr but they are mostly solos.
I really dont attribute any stat over a long period of time to luck. If it is happening over a lon period of time then there is probably a specific reason.
by briwas101 on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That being said
I still feel that furbush will perform better than people are predicting. But thats just me
by briwas101 on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A pitcher "with the mentality of an ace", whatever that means, would not try to throw balls down the middle.
No one tries to throw balls down the middle of the plate.
Eggs stay good for a comically long time.
I’m pretty sure I’ve eaten eggs that were in my fridge for like 6 months. Just make sure you cook them a little harder than usual (generally I like my eggs over-easy or over-medium, but not those).
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
The first rule of Lookout Landing is...
Sorry, I'm being dense - is that definition of "pull" relative to the handedness of the pitcher?
Or is it the traditional definition of pull, which is relative to the handedness of the batter? If it’s the latter, how does drawing a line from home plate to 2b and calling them pull v. pushed work, since there isn’t data on the handedness of the batter, just where the ball landed?
The former would make absolutely no sense
and yes, there is data on the handedness of the batter. Why did you assume there isn’t?
First time I read it, I had visualized a map of just where balls had landed
It sounded like you were having to infer whether a given hit given up by the pitcher was pulled or not, as opposed to just a table telling you somewhere that x pitcher has y% pull rate. The whole “draw an imaginary line” bit still confuses me. Others don’t seem to be having trouble with it, so I assume it’s just my reading comprehension on this one.
by Chris_FB on Jan 23, 2012 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
...dinner will probably help too
by Chris_FB on Jan 23, 2012 6:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have a table with xy-coordinates of where balls were fielded, along with whether the batter of each hit was batting left or right.
If the batter is standing left, and the ball is fielded on the RF-side of the line between home and 2nd (and extending through CF), then that ball was pulled.
Make sense?
Since almost all of Furbush's HRs are to RHBs
Logically, a righty should pull more when the ball is inside-middle than middle-outside, right?
Marc Hulet (FG writer) had a scouting report on Furbush in May. One of his weaknesses was “Furbush needs to learn to command the inner half of the plate against right-handed batters.”
When you look at heat maps you notice he has a hard time hitting his spots on the inside against RHBs.
I think all his HR problems come from this problem. The question is, is it fixable or not? Will it improve with more consistent mechanics or is his delivery so wonky a righty will always see an inside fastball and be able to pull it? I don’t know, you’d have to ask a pitching coach on that one.

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