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Here Comes Kevin Millwood

I went to breakfast, which was fine, but which would have been better had it been served with basil oil instead of basil aioli, like the menu said. I came back and checked Twitter, and I had a message linking to this post, saying the M's were signing Kevin Millwood. That post links to this article. That article refers to a Facebook account belonging to Kevin Millwood's sister. So, the source:

Millwoodsister_medium

I don't know why I blacked out the name since the article cited her name, allowing me to track her down in the first place, but I guess I'm just really dedicated to protecting my sources. More importantly, did you notice how I began this post by talking about my breakfast? The shit I get away with.

So this isn't anything official, obviously, and nobody else has come forth to issue confirmation, but one would think that Kevin Millwood's sister would be a reliable source. Millwood's kind of a small fish in this offseason, and the Mariners have been reported to have interest before, so it makes sense. I would expect - not guarantee, but expect - that we'll hear more about this very shortly.

Let's assume that it's true. Let's assume that, if the Mariners haven't signed Kevin Millwood, they've all but signed Kevin Millwood. Why Kevin Millwood?

Because the starting rotation could use a Kevin Millwood, or somebody like a Kevin Millwood. In truth it could use somebody better than a Kevin Millwood, but I can't imagine that Roy Oswalt would sign with Seattle on purpose, and I don't think the Mariners want to guarantee Edwin Jackson a bunch of years. And Jeff Francis is, whatever. So, Millwood. Millwood would slide in behind Felix Hernandez and Jason Vargas. Hisashi Iwakuma could be good, but he's far from a sure thing. Hector Noesi could be good, but last year he started seven games. Charlie Furbush could be good, but he needs work. Blake Beavan doesn't miss bats. And so on. Millwood's insurance. He's a luxury, if you can call him that, if Iwakuma and Noesi work out, but if one or both of them don't, well, good thing about Millwood.

Also Millwood is really old, so people think of him as a leader. He's fourth among active pitchers in career innings, and I don't think Javier Vazquez should count as an active pitcher. A search for "Kevin Millwood" + "mentor" turns up this article:

[The Orioles] also desired a leader in the clubhouse.

That's why Millwood's locker sits between Chris Tillman (21) and Brian Matusz (23). And why he's within earshot of Brad Bergesen (24). It didn't happen by accident.

Since the Orioles acquired Millwood, Tillman, Matusz and Bergesen have combined to allow 403 runs in 612 innings, good for a 5.93 RA. Positive influence!

That isn't fair. I'm sure Millwood has some useful things to say and demonstrate. He's probably not the best mentor in sports, but he's probably not a selfish disaster, so he can help out. Keep in mind that Eric Wedge managed Millwood with the Indians in 2005. Millwood posted a 2.86 ERA, and the Indians won 93 games. I'm guessing Wedge has good things to say about Kevin Millwood, even if Kevin Millwood is no longer what he was as a younger man.

Oh hey there we are, confirmation! Jon Heyman:

Millwood has deal with #mariners

And here's even more!

millwood deal is minor-league deal but has good chance to make team. wedge & p. coach carl willis were w/ "wood'' in cleve

Forgot about the Carl Willis angle. The minor league contract part is interesting, since Millwood reportedly turned down a guaranteed contract from the Rockies earlier in the offseason, but Millwood's probably going to make the team, and he's probably going to make $1 million or $2 million or something as a part of the team. The minor league contract protects the Mariners if Millwood is terrible in Arizona, but you have to figure he's got a great chance.

So how's Millwood going to pitch? I just realized I haven't really gotten into that. He will probably pitch decently. Don't be thrown by his low walk rate last year - that isn't real. He'll throw fastballs in the high 80s, other things below the high 80s, and he'll generally be okay. He projects for an FIP in the mid-4s, which sounds about right. He'll benefit from Safeco, which is an uninteresting point to make given that any and every pitcher would benefit from Safeco. Even a position player or you would benefit from Safeco, in the event that a position player or you were pitching there.

Millwood will throw 105 pitches a game and do veterany things. He'll get credit for things that don't show up in the box score, and the things that do show up in the box score will most likely be unremarkable. Assuming Millwood's okay around midseason and assuming the Mariners are out of the race, he could and should be an easy guy to flip for a toolsy double-A outfielder or a Dominican teenager with a live arm. That is, if younger guys are knocking on the rotation's door. Millwood could also last the whole year if he gets hurt or if things don't go as intended.

Kevin Millwood. So many of us wanted him years ago. We're getting him now. It's kind of like girls from high school. It's kind of exactly like girls from high school. He's not what he was, but he's not entirely unappealing and he can be interesting for a short amount of time until you look for something more permanent.

He's right-handed by the way.

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Compensation?

“You can’t have Fielder but… " – Boras

by Mariner Melee on Jan 22, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Money.

by yuniform on Jan 22, 2012 4:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Wouldn't look good if he dumped clients

after making millions on them. And the bucks may be smaller, but every one counts.

"Me, I romp and stomp Thankful as I romp
Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan

by xmet on Jan 22, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not positive, but I think Scott Boras isn't handling all of these people himself either.

And if you’re not doing the work yourself you likely accept any client that wants you and see how much you can make.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jan 22, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate mayonnaise. Aioli is just a silly way to say mayonnaise, so I hate aioli.

If I was promised an oil infused with basil and got a crappy aioli mixed with basil I would have been a little upset as well.

Millwood for cheap is kind of awesome, it’s like ordering a cheap breakfast sandwich and if you forget to say, “no mayo, please”. You can just scarp the mayo off and say to yourself “the sandwich was only $2.99, so what do care and I should’ve said no mayo”.

by InSpokane on Jan 22, 2012 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

Mayonnaise is one of the French mother sauces

It’s a cold emulsion consisting of egg, oil and acid – I believe classically lemon juice but more commonly vinegar.

Aioli is technically the first derivative sauce of Mayonnaise. It includes garlic (Ail in French), hence the name.

A properly made mayonnaise is delicious, as is a properly made aioli.

The only difference between basil oil and basil aioli is the inclusion of some acid and some egg to emulsify the oil.

Also, Kevin Millwood is right-handed.

by Cougriculture on Jan 22, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   8 recs

Great with Potatoes and Lobster.

"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff

by EequalsMc2 on Jan 22, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I never thought someone would be able to convey the utter disinterest of signing Kevin Millwood through text alone

Congrats Jeff

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot

by beastwarking on Jan 22, 2012 3:35 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Mild indifference strikes again

Hope for Darvish, get Iwakuma. Hope to trade prospect SP, trade Pineda. Hope for Francis, get Perez. Hope for Oswalt, get Millwood. Using this infallible science of hope/reality correlation I guess that means the M’s will sign Derrek Lee soon.

by C Dubya on Jan 22, 2012 3:36 PM PST reply actions  

Relative to Oliver Perez I was

What can I say, Dave Cameron makes convincing arguments. And if he isn’t convincing the first time he will throw #’s and strange letter combinations at me until he wins by attrition.

by C Dubya on Jan 22, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   6 recs

Can he play third base?

He hit 2 homers last year, in 19 at -bats, Figgy has hit 2 homers with the M´s, in 890 at-bats… If we had given these at-bats to Kevin Millwood he would have hit 93.6 homers, not two… #analysis

by Eduardo, on Jan 22, 2012 3:36 PM PST reply actions  

I do like his .474 SLG last year

However it was probably Coors inflated. And being a right handed hitter, he would be a poor fit in Safeco.

by niceguysfinishlast on Jan 22, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

If its not

Then its pretty darn close. From what ive seen, the money they earn by making the team is usually within 15% of minimum, with other incentives pushing it higher if met.

by briwas101 on Jan 22, 2012 5:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Two examples

Oliver Perez, 750K if he makes the roster.
Endy Chavez, Rangers 2010 1M.

"Me, I romp and stomp Thankful as I romp
Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan

by xmet on Jan 22, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Seems like we've filled a lot of our holes and not spent a lot of money

I’m very much starting to wonder where all this money is going to go, or if we’re actually going to significantly cut payroll this season.

by AndrewMcQ on Jan 22, 2012 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

Confusing

Wonder if they will spend all the money in minor league deals… If Prince Fielder isn´t coming here, they would have to spend these 16 or 18 millions in something… unless the payroll is coming way down, Edwin Jackson would be interesting, but he´s a Boras client and we have a surplus in pitching.

I´ll maintain the hope for Prince Fielder, maybe the Rangers and Nationals aren´t too serious about him…

by Eduardo, on Jan 22, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

Like the chick from high school

He is now fat and desperate.

I’m only interested in this package if it is willing to go to third base.

Otherwise I’d take my chances with Busty Blake Beavan.

by jose luis on Jan 22, 2012 4:07 PM PST reply actions  

Missing bats is important and guys like that tend to get more and more exposed as they move up the ladder.

Beavan isn’t a a Vasquez-like disaster by any means and is nice to have around as a swing guy, but it’d certainly be better to find other alternatives.

by abender20 on Jan 23, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

There are a lot worse things in the world than your fifth starter being Blake Beavan

it’s not that he’s good in any way like Luke French’s supernatural ability to out-ERA his xFIP, but there’s nothing particularly wrong with throwing out a pitch-to-contact semi-groundballer as your #5 guy when you play in a pitcher’s park with an elite defense.

Would it be better if James Paxton develops at the rate SheaWasBetter21 thinks he will be and claims Beavan’s rotation spot? Yes. Will I lose sleep over 28 Blake Beavan starts for a total of 150 innings this season? Not really.

by seattlebruin on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Im getting a distinct feeling of deja vu

Didnt a player’s sister tweet that the Ms had signed her brother a few months ago? I swear this is the 2nd transaction "confirmed" this way this offseason

by briwas101 on Jan 22, 2012 4:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I guess if we are going to be subjected to the dead wood that is Figgins we might as well suplement it with some Millwood

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot

by beastwarking on Jan 22, 2012 4:31 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Two dead woods

don’t make a good wood.

"Me, I romp and stomp Thankful as I romp
Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan

by xmet on Jan 22, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's a fine signing.

Just feels depressing, because like stated above in the thread, it kind of feels like this finishes up the roster. I really don’t see how they’re going to spend the money we were hoping they had.

by BigR on Jan 22, 2012 5:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Dave Cameron agrees
Jack Z has done a nice job of acquiring players who should help ensure that the team won’t suck as badly as they did last year, but he hasn’t really done anything yet this winter that really pushes the team forward in a substantial way. Given that the Mariners should still have some money to spend, they shouldn’t be content to call Millwood the final off-season acquisition and just go to camp with the roster they have now. They can and should do better. There’s nothing wrong with signing Kevin Millwood, but this can’t be the last move. There still has to be something else.

I agree with you and Dave, but I, for one, also thinks the team is much better opening day 2012 compared to opening day 2012. Remember that we have been comparing this team to the team at the end of last year, which was a very very different team than took the field last April.

Also I’ve been doing some rosterizing with what we have. If Montero ©, Carp (DH), and Wells (LF) start along with the obvious starters at the other positions, then our bench right now is Jaso ©, Olivo ©, Kawasaki (IF), and…. yeah. Whether or not another big deal is made, the roster doesn’t seem complete.

by algorhythm on Jan 22, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe it or not, this team kinda needs Figgins right now

He’s the guy slotted into that last bench spot, and with the roster as it stands, they can’t really afford to dump him unless they replace him with another versatile player or make another offsetting move somewhere else. The current roster only has four outfielders, one of those being Mike Carp, and Guti’s health is a still an open question. At the very least, they need someone on the roster that could serve as a pinch-runner/defensive replacement for Carp on days when Guti needs a day off, and in reality, they probably need a guy who can play LF or CF at least once a week. Keep in mind, Carp is also the backup 1B right now as well, so even something as basic as Smoak needing a day off would leave the team without any outfield depth.

Figgins at least gives you another OF option, plus the pinch-runner possibilities, so he’s not the worst guy in the world to have at the last spot on the bench. Ideally, you’d rather have a right-handed hitter with some pop who could platoon with Seager and play OF on occasion, but that guy isn’t really out there right now.

This is what I mean when I talk about the roster being full. Unless they’re willing to punt Olivo to open up a roster spot (unlikely, I think – Montero’s not ready to be a regular catcher), then they need a backup SS and a backup “everything else”. You can’t toss Figgins and just get another bat and make this roster work.

by davidcameron on Jan 22, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

"Ideally, you’d rather have a right-handed hitter with some pop who could platoon with Seager and play OF on occasion"

Vinnie Catricala? Yeah, his defense is bad and he’s probably a long shot to jump all the way to the major leagues, but as a righty with a decent bat and the ability to play (or I guess “play”) 3B, 1B, and the outfield corners, it seems like he would fit. With a hot spring I could see it, anyway.

by WhyGodWhy on Jan 22, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

My brother, who is smarter than me...

…admits this isn’t really rational, but he thinks Figgins should get one last chance to prove himself. Maybe there really is a baseball player in there somewhere. I suspect that stranger things have happened in baseball.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". ~Rogers Hornsby

by extavernmouse on Jan 22, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Your brother is not wrong. There's enough investment in Figgins that it's worth seeing if there is anything left there.

Either to help the Mariners as a superutility (or, heaven forbid, a thirdbaseman) or to attract another team to take on at least some of the financial burden in a trade. The problem is that committing serious playing time to Figgins early in the season when the Mariners are trying to compete likely won’t happen since he now has two partial seasons of awfulness. If Figgins wants to prove himself, odds are he’ll have to do it getting sporadic playing time at several positions. Sounds like a recipe for success, right?

by abender20 on Jan 22, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Spring training

I imagine he’ll get a lot of time playing this March. If he looks about the same as last season in Arizona, he might as well just not bring his jerseys back to Seattle.

by twelveoutof10 on Jan 22, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem with ST is that the stats are meaningless and for a veteran like Figgins, he'd have to be pretty broken to not hit.

The issue with evaluating Figgins lies in his style. If Figgins goes out and hits .300 in ST off of the all the aging middling talent pitchers and young junkballers, with his usual dying weasel fliners, does that prove he’s back? It’s hard to envision a scenario in which Figgins plays himself into significant playing time unless he lights the world on fire in spring training, although I guess if he shows up and works really hard and is full of veteranosity then Wedge may like that and reward that.

by abender20 on Jan 22, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's the angle I was getting at but was too lazy to expound upon

I think he only gets a roster spot if he comes out and shows a change in approach, ie: less O-swing, more walk %, better batted balls, etc.

I think it’s safe to assume that his average is meaningless to any reasonable evaluator.

by twelveoutof10 on Jan 22, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I recall Tui being a ST world beater, and it's not fair to really judge approach in ST because it's not season conditions.

If I were him, I’d go out there and try to smoke line drives every at bat and not worry about trying to draw walks on a bunch of suspect pitchers.

by abender20 on Jan 22, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’ll admit I really under estimate the difference between spring and the regular season. So yes, in revision, I would not give him a regular roster spot without a LD% of at least 80%.

by twelveoutof10 on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's less about stats and more about how he looks in general

if he is back to controlling the strike zone (and this is quite evident against lower quality pitchers), he can still be a kind of useful utility guy. It’s if he swings at everything like last year and keeps hitting like Chone Figgins that it’s a problem

by seattlebruin on Jan 22, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Theres nothing wrong with competition

And since we are on the hook for his salary anway, theres no reason not to give him a chance.

If he sucks as bad as we expect him to then he sits on the bench. If he earns the job then he deserves to play.

Part of me wants to believe that after 2 years of epic fail that he will finally get it together, but probably not

by briwas101 on Jan 22, 2012 11:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I kind of see negotiations going like this:

JackZ: Hey Scott, how are you doing?
Boras: Not bad, Jack, how are you? Been reading my Prince Field binder? Here, let me pull out my Prince PeeChee, and see where we left off last.
JackZ: Um, no actually I’m calling about someone else.
Boras: Oh, well, um, ok. Who did you want to talk about?
JackZ: Millwood.
Boras: …
Boras: …
Boras: … oh, you were serious?

by seattle_since_81 on Jan 22, 2012 6:02 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

So Boras is working

Fielder will sign tonight

by sofa_king on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Well the rumors over the interwebs have just exploded with the story that he signed to the Nationals.

8 year deal with an opt-out after 3 years.

That is, unless it’s all just another stupid hoax.

by Public Image, Ltd. on Jan 22, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

For what it is worth, from Dave:

David Cameron: Fun: The Prince/WAS rumor starter has also had Garza as a Tiger, Cordero as an Angel, Abreu as a Ray, and Kendrys Morales retiring.

David Cameron: And that’s just in the last three weeks. His feed is actually pretty hilarious.

Larry Stone: He seems to have a strange obsession with Garza

David Cameron: I loved the daily “almost done!” updates. Also, did you know the Mariners had the high bid for Darvish?

by msb on Jan 22, 2012 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Baseball's version of incarceratedbob?

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Jan 23, 2012 3:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

heh.

Sam Miller: Unless I’m mistaken, @mlbinsidenews got something like 700 followers in the past two hours. Great job being incredibly stupid, all of us.

by msb on Jan 23, 2012 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Rob Johnson is gone.

He was more of a pile than the team’s collective catching staff, including the minors.

by ToddK on Jan 22, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

His shoulder is going to fall off, though.

It’s a sure bet.

Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.

by Snark on Jan 22, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite part of Jeff's response.
It’s possible that what’s at the heart of every single argument you get yourself into is the fact that you don’t understand how to use English. We are communicating in different languages, where the one we use is correct and decipherable, and the one you use is retarded.

by wazzu93 on Jan 22, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed.

Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.

by Snark on Jan 22, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries.

I don’t post much here at all — but I read pretty consistently. So when I saw the exchange between our mutual friend and Jeff, and then checked this thread out and saw the fireworks, well…

Garoon: Banned on LSB. Available Only Via Supplement.

by Snark on Jan 22, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You've never heard anyone call hemorrhoids piles before?

This might have been worth some extra credit for you, about 6 years ago. Maybe it’s one of those regional usage type of things, like soda pop.

by Kermit. on Jan 23, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get what else about the comment would lead him to believe that, is all.

Especially since Jeff has been using The Pile as a term for over a year.

by abender20 on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor Jeff

He could have stopped in any common drugstore in the last year to find some pain relief

by Craptastic-J on Jan 23, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Having added both Millwood and Montero this offseason,

it seems like we are adding guys who have been linked to the Mariners forever. I first considered Montero when somebody on the internet speculated the Mariners were asking for Montero in a Jarrod Washburn trade (the year they didn’t trade him), followed by the Lee/Montero almost-deal, which occurred a midst a couple years of Felix-for-Montero crap, culminating in the trade.

My memory is somewhat hazy, but it seems like Millwood has been linked to the Mariners/Safeco since approx. 2006. I may be wrong. Now they just need to get Greg Zaun, Edwin Jackson and Jason Bay.

by mkries on Jan 22, 2012 9:40 PM PST reply actions  

The Mets would be estatic to dump Bay's no trade, vested option contract,

and he does have a watery surname.

"Me, I romp and stomp Thankful as I romp
Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan

by xmet on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Higginson

I remember hearing about him so much, I’m almost surprised he didn’t ever play for the M’s.

by mkries on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Know what I love about this Kevin Millwood?

I get older, and he keeps pitching the same way

I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.

by Trenchtown on Jan 22, 2012 11:50 PM PST reply actions  

Ha!

Aaron Curry is the first Seahawk since Walter Jones to have a legitimate shot at Hall of Fame induction - John Morgan

by Fearless Frog on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Huh, I always thought of him as a extreme groundballer

I’m completely whelmed, but for 1m that’s totally fine.

by MT Olson on Jan 23, 2012 12:07 AM PST reply actions  

I thought that this was an incredibly large amount of comments for Kevin Millwood

Reading through however, I see I was correct in my assumption that other people aren’t really all that excited about Millwood either. But hey, he might be decent and he’s cheap so it’s cool.

by SuperDopaLiciousFunkStar on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Hey I was really excited to read 300 comments about Kevin Millwood!

Imagine my disappointment.

It was kinda like when I found out the team signed Kevin Millwood.

by pixburgher on Jan 23, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

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