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Hisashi Iwakuma: Player Of Interest

You might remember that, last offseason, the Oakland A's won the rights to negotiate with posted Japanese starter Hisashi Iwakuma. It was a surprising announcement on account of Oakland A's, but they submitted the high bid of $19.1 million. In the end they did not end up spending that $19.1 million, as the A's and Iwakuma failed to reach an agreement. Some people thought the A's cheated, blocking Iwakuma from competitors with a high bid despite having no intention of signing him. Other people did not think this. There were a variety of opinions, by which I mean there were at least two opinions.

You might not remember that, last offseason, after the A's were revealed as the winners, reports emerged that the Mariners didn't make a bid. There had been talk that the Mariners were heavily interested in Iwakuma, but then there was talk that the Mariners weren't really interested at all. Quote:

But the Mariners "did not bid on this guy,'' one source said. "They didn't participate.''
...
The Mariners scouted him, then decided to pass.

"It was a baseball decision,'' the source said. "It didn't have anything to do with the ownership group.''

Now, we don't know if that's true or false. The posting process is a weird one, and it can be difficult to uncover the truth. But here's what we know now: Iwakuma's a free agent. He's 30 years old. And the Mariners are supposedly hot in pursuit.

According to Jon Heyman, the M's are gunning for Iwakuma, along with two other AL teams. According to Nikkan Sports, the M's could be close to signing Iwakuma. Those say two different things, although now that I think about it, they really don't. "Could" is such a powerful word, for a not powerful word.

It passes the smell test. The Mariners have been in search of a veteran starter, and Iwakuma is a veteran starter, albeit a veteran somewhere else. I don't know if the Mariners are considering Iwakuma instead of other options or Iwakuma along with other options, but nothing about this is outlandish. We just don't know the depth of the Mariners' interest, or the level of Iwakuma's demands. Desires? Desires is probably better. Iwakuma is in no position to make demands.

So what is a Hisashi Iwakuma? Again, he's 30. Japanese. Right-handed. He throws a fastball in the 87-91mph range, seemingly having lost some velocity to shoulder issues. He throws that ever-popular shuuto, which is a lot like a two-seamer. He has a splitter, and a slider, and a curve, and when all of his pitches are working he's flat-out dominant, as is the case with every pitcher everywhere. You're free to analyze his pitches on YouTube, although you should remember that most of that footage is highlights, and highlights deceive. No player is ever as good as he looks in his highlights.

Statistically, Iwakuma shines as a control specialist, having walked just 1.7 batters per nine innings over the last four years. He hasn't missed that many bats, putting up a roughly league-average strikeout rate, but he's excelled by avoiding walks and avoiding home runs. Over that same four-year span, his ERA is 2.58. Last year he was about as effective as D.J. Houlton, which is a good thing in Japan.

The concerns are that Iwakuma's shoulder might be in less-than-great shape, and that he might have trouble recording strikeouts against Major League hitters. There is also the possibility that his shoulder is fine, and that he could make the transition with ease. For all of the words people have written about Japanese players coming to the States, nobody has been able to reliably identify who'll be good and who'll be bad. Iwakuma could be good, or bad, or somewhere in between.

So we see. It all depends on the price, right? It's not like Jeff Francis, Jamie Moyer and Kevin Millwood are guaranteed to be successful, either. And Iwakuma has that upside that the others don't. Who's to say he doesn't adjust as well as Koji Uehara adjusted? Francis could be a #4 or a #3. Iwakuma could be a #4 or a #3 or a #2. To explain this unscientifically.

If Iwakuma checks out physically, he's a very interesting option. We'll see where this one goes. With the Mariners being in their current position, there's something to be said for an unknown over a Francis or a Millwood. Francis and Millwood are known. So very known. Iwakuma has that volatility you hate as a contender but love as a longshot.

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by JY on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Pic is for Fielder-san

Was a re: to lemonvervena’s subject tag

A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Jan 3, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

What he's saying is that the picture needs to be smaller

and it needs to include a subject line so the picture can be collapsed if need be.

by pdb on Jan 3, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

thx

A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Jan 3, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I know you're making a funny

but now I can’t put .280/.340/.520 Ichiro out of my mind.

by fiftyone on Jan 2, 2012 8:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I always imagined when Ichiro started hitting for power,

his average would skyrocket for unexplainable reasons and he would also break his own hits record.

by Zewerr on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You ever seen him take BP

I watch him in Arlington, which is a hitters ballpark, and he always hits for power. Of course it is just bp but I think he can do it.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

For the eleventy billionth time

if he could do it, he already would be doing it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to learn to hit at the major league level one way, much less learn to hit two completely different ways and keep one on the shelf just in case?

by pdb on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What does that have to do with my comment?

Of course if he could do it already he would be doing it, Captain state the obvious. I’m talking about batting practice. I see him hit for power in bp all the time when he comes to Arlington. Of course that is not a measuring stick, it’s only against right down the middle slow pitches.

And no, I have no idea how hard it is, but I can imagine. I’m sure unless you play major league baseball you have no idea either. I was not being serious dude, calm down.

by datboyeddiep on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Sarcasm is hard to do online.

I (and probably several others) thought your comment was serious. If your joking flies over someone’s head don’t take offense. If your comment was read as serious, then pdb’s response was reasonable.

No matter where you go, there you are.

by KC Mariner on Jan 3, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

This is true

Thanks man. I understand…..

by datboyeddiep on Jan 4, 2012 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

If you were not serious then I misread your comment and I apologize

it’s just that the “Ichiro can hit 40 HR if he wants to” thing is really tired and has no basis in reality and is said often enough that it is a bit of a sore point.

by pdb on Jan 3, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok my bad

No I was joking. Been a M’s fan my whole life, although I’m only 29 I’ve seen most of Ichiro’s career. I was just commenting on his batting practice. Dude hits it out of the park with consistency. It’s funny to see. I didn’t take offense, I was just being defensive. My bad guys…..

by datboyeddiep on Jan 4, 2012 6:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I've always wondered if management talks to Ichiro about these guys he played with during the WBC.

I mean, I know players don’t usually get a lot of input on these things, and it should ultimately be a baseball decision, but with guys coming over from Japan, I’ve always wondered if the front office would care if Ichiro told them a particular player was a total douche.

by wetzelcoal on Jan 2, 2012 6:49 PM PST reply actions  

In riddles Ichiro speaks

Jack Z: “So this Hisashi Iwakuma — is he any good? Would he make a good Mariner?”

Ichiro: “His pitching is like the early morning sun on the cherry blossoms on the shores of Lake Kawaguchiko. And in the club house he is like the finest wasabi, quiet on the edge of your plate until the otoro calls out for it.”

by MMonkman on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

If he doesn't walk people but doesn't miss many bats.

Sounds like he’s one of those induce weak contact types. I wonder if those guys are more likely to make the transition from Japan to MLB as opposed to one who relies on swing and miss stuff.
Although I guess it stands to reason if the swing and miss stuff wont fool MLB hitters, then they may well be able to make better contact on the other stuff.
I know nothing!

by Aussie Mariner on Jan 2, 2012 6:55 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Hiroki Kuroda says hi...

though admittedly I liked him a lot more because he carried a small ERA despite playing in the bandbox formerly known as Old Hiroshima Municipal. Personally, I think he gets overlooked because he doesn’t blow by batters, just exhibits good control.

Is Iwakuma another Kuroda? That I don’t know.

by KaminaAyato on Jan 3, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought one of the upsides to Francis/Moyer/Millwood

Was that he could easily be traded (to a desirous contender) if not outright cut should Hultzen or Paxton (probably not Walker) appear ML-ready sometime later this season. Would that instead involve demoting Beavan?

by Aly Edge on Jan 2, 2012 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

Mariner's Off-Season in a nutshell:

Source: “Mariners are interested in interesting player.”
Mariners: “We are interested in any player it makes sense for us to be interested in, to the extent that we are interested in the interesting player.”
Crickets: “Chirp. Chirp.”

by Adam B on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

Because made up news is better earlier or later in the off-season?

I don’t think anyone was making the argument that the M’s need to make a move for the sake of making a move.

by Adam B on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Possibly.

There could be a lot less “rosterbation” every off-season.
I’m not fond of the idea that just because there isn’t any news, that anything can be made into news.

Iwakuma may be a poor example, as there is probably something to this report, but what percentage of reports do eventually pan out? Something like less than 10%? That might be generous.

Certainly it’s pointless to expect anything to change, but I think I’ve more than earned my right to be jaded about the process.

by Adam B on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Then I'm wrong.

I was just going by FanGraphs’ data.

by Coach Owens on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Gahhh

That start he had against the Indians right after joining the Tigers was just sick. 13 ks I believe, darting 93mph 2-seamers on the corners. He’s got some Felix in him, and I’d rather have him than Pineda, to be honest.

IGNORE ME, THIS IS NOT ROSTERBATION BUT I AM GOING NOWHERE

IGNORE ME

by tsunamijesus on Jan 3, 2012 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

No I'd rather have him than Pineda

Pineda would have returned more and holy shit Doug Fister is magic

by seattlebruin on Jan 3, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

We were not a good team

and so we thought we could get players to make us a better team in the future for a player that could be replaced in the future by players in our system.

by themanleyman on Jan 3, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If Casper Wells never has vertigo again it might look okay in time.

Because the Ms have some starting pitchers looming on the horizon or something.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 3, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Sponichi report

Here essentially seems to say we are the frontrunner. Google translation of a quote from Iwakuma:

“Negotiations have begun to be opened in the year moves. Baseball team has received several conditions presented there, given the environment and family life to someone for their own needs, the contract at this stage Mariners The closest team "

by AndrewMcQ on Jan 3, 2012 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

A better translation from MLBTR that corroborates that (for what its worth):
We’ve received terms from a number of clubs, but considering where I’m needed and an environment my family can live in, at present we’re closest to a contract with the Mariners," Iwakuma said.

by algorhythm on Jan 3, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

We've always done well with Japanese players

Good track record. I can’t think of any failures. Everyone we’ve brought over has performed to or above expectations.

by Mr.Phelps on Jan 3, 2012 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

He seems to be a pretty big groundball guy (splitter and shuuto) with good control, but still gets a decent number of K's

I’ve seen 2010 Doug Fister and peak Chien-Ming Wang as comps, and both seem somewhat valid. Given his stats in Japan, I’d guess his ceiling might end up falling somewhere in between those two comps (slightly more GB than Fister, but a worse K/BB) for maybe 3-3.5 WAR.

by AndrewMcQ on Jan 3, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It sounds like that's what he was asking for last year.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/agent-angry-at-as-over-failed-hisashi-iwakuma-negotiations/

He might actually be trying for more this year, considering he has the rights to negotiate with all teams, and whomever signs him doesn’t have to pay the additional $19 million posting fee. If I were his agent, I would be assuming that waiting the year would at least be significantly better than the offer he got from the A’s.

by Sidi on Jan 3, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not having done any research,

do we know exactly what the A’s tendered as an offer? Also, do we know what the ultimate reason(s) for him not signing is/ were?

by ToddK on Jan 3, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

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