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Oliver Perez Inserted Neatly Into Side Of Pile

The Seattle Mariners didn't have a response when the Los Angeles Angels signed Albert Pujols. The Seattle Mariners didn't have a response when the Los Angeles Angels signed C.J. Wilson, which happened within like ten minutes of the Pujols thing. The Seattle Mariners didn't have a response when the Texas Rangers won the right to negotiate with Yu Darvish. But Wednesday afternoon, the Texas Rangers finally got Yu Darvish signed. And the Seattle Mariners had a response.

Greg Johns:

Mariners sign former Mets starter Oliver Perez, 30, to Minor League deal w/camp invite. On comeback from AA ball last year.

I'm going to be honest with you - it's a little daunting to try to tackle the whole Oliver Perez thing, given his background with the Mets. Mets fans have a lot of opinions about Oliver Perez. They know more about Oliver Perez than I do. But I'll do the best that I can.

Oliver Perez is bad. If he's not bad, he has most certainly been bad recently. The 30-year-old southpaw had some success out of the bullpen during winter ball, but he spent last season in double-A and struck out 58 batters in 75.2 innings. With the Mets between 2009-2010, he posted a 6.81 ERA with more walks than strikeouts. Also Perez's velocity has declined to the point where one report last summer said his fastball was topping out in the mid-80s. Something you want to have topping out in the mid-80s is the temperature. Something you do not want to have topping out in the mid-80s is the velocity of a pitcher's fastball when his fastball used to be faster.

What gets you about Oliver Perez is that he didn't used to be bad. He was good enough in 2008, for example, for the Mets to sign him to a big contract. He was at his best much earlier in his career. Between 2002-2004, with the Padres and Pirates, Perez struck out 10.3 batters per nine innings as a starting pitcher. He posted baseball's third-best strikeout rate in 2004 at the age of 22. Oliver Perez was going to be something. He was traded with Jason Bay for Brian Giles. When Brian Giles was amazing.

Oliver Perez became something, all right. He became Oliver Perez as people currently know him, instead of something much better than that. Many veterans who sign minor league contracts with spring training invites have discouraging stories to tell, and Perez is no different. Perez is another guy inking a minor league contract who, years ago, you never would've thought would have to accept a minor league contract a few years down the road.

Chances of making the team? Oliver Perez doesn't have a chance of making the team. Not out of camp, unless something terrible happens, or unless Perez was throwing 95 in winter ball and I just have no idea. A lot of times, teams will invite extra catchers to spring training because they need bodies to catch all the pitchers they've collected. What this move tells me more than anything else is that the Mariners overbooked on catchers.

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He's had success as recently as a handful of seasons ago and he's no risk.

Also, the Mariners have a big ballpark for pitchers to gain their confidence back in, if that ever turns out to be a pitcher’s problem.

"Perhaps the worst comment I've ever seen on LL." - sanford_and_son.

by Ride the Apocalypse on Jan 18, 2012 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

Safeco can help with some fly balls, but it can't make him throw strikes

Perez has walked 12.7% of the batters he’s faced over his MLB career. Since he came up in 2002, that’s the seventh-worst rate in the majors, placing him between Daniel Cabrera and Andrew Miller on the list. I agree that there’s minimal risk, but he’s going to need a lot more than a big ballpark if he wants to be a useful pitcher again.

But assuming that we’re out of the running by August, I’d love to see him get called up. It would be entertaining, at least, to see a guy throwing an 85 mph fastball with no control.

by Teej on Jan 18, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Citi Field was plenty big for Ollie

His problem is his high BB rate, erratic mechanics, and diminishing velocity, not his flyball rate. Plus, not for nothing, but he always struck me as not the sharpest tool in the shed- maybe that was the language barrier, but…

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 18, 2012 7:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The final piece to the puzzle!

unfortunately the picture on the front of the box is a pile of crap

by C Dubya on Jan 18, 2012 4:53 PM PST reply actions   6 recs

We oughta pick up Pudge

So we can add more pitchers to the pile.

by phiat on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Is he still any good?

I saw his name today on the list of free agents. Haven’t paid attention to him for a few years, so I don’t know, but he was one of my favorite catchers for a long time. I’m guessing he probably isn’t very good now good at age 40, but I’m too lazy to look it up.

by phiat on Jan 18, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if Olivo is traded (please God)

There still might not be room for Rodriguez on the ML roster. You’d probably need your third catcher to be more versatile, a la Chris Gimenez.

by fiftyone on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't see Pudge (or another pure catcher) fitting on the roster at this point for the reasons you pointed out.

If the team hadn’t aquired Jaso I wouldn’t have been opposed to Pudge on a one year deal with Olivo being moved.

by KC Mariner on Jan 18, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If the team is still planning on sucking for 2 years, we could sign Pudge to a two-year contract

And let him hit poorly, play okay defense and reach the 3000 hit milestone (as a catcher!) in a Mariners uniform.

…all just to show Olivo we don’t take kindly to him.

"Perhaps the worst comment I've ever seen on LL." - sanford_and_son.

by Ride the Apocalypse on Jan 19, 2012 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Jack's more of a seat-of-the-pants kind of guy

Bavasi seemed to plan the suck out five years in advance.
(He didn’t think he was doing that, of course, but when you complain about being “surprised by the market” offseason after offseason, that’s what it amounts to)

by J0SER on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

What makes you think that the team is "planning on sucking for 2 years"?

It looks to me like they are trying to build quickly and efficiently with little wasted money.

by ToddK on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Spring training is going to be more interesting than usual this year,

though not because of this move. There’s a lot to watch for, however.

C? 3B? LF? CF? DH?

Starting 5? Who’s in the bullpen beyond League, Sherrill and most likely Wilhelmson?

More trades?

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 18, 2012 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

Good

I was getting bored of thinking about Montero

by bookbook on Jan 18, 2012 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, about that guy...

.6 WAR in 18 games is pretty sweet, huh? And 14 of those games was as a DH!

by zeeehjee on Jan 18, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

At that pace, he projects for 5 WAR over 150 games.

Not impossible, but probably aiming really high. I’d suspect something more in the 3-3.5 WAR range from him next season.

by Cascadian Man on Jan 18, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't take long...

…for this to turn away from what the story was about, huh?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". ~Rogers Hornsby

by extavernmouse on Jan 18, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Dumbfounded

am I, but after 3 years for 36 it’s nice that he found a way to supplement his rainy day fund.

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by xmet on Jan 18, 2012 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

Any hope he can be a LOOGY?

I don’t have time to research this right now. Does anyone know if he’s tough on lefties?

by Alex Johnson on Jan 18, 2012 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

Not if he's stuck in the 80s,

and can’t find the plate. My biggest fear would be he wins a job in ST, and does the usual during the season.

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Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan

by xmet on Jan 18, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He did do quite well in his winter league while converted to a reliever

He’s never been fully converted to a reliever before then. The competition isn’t great, but maybe he has a shot at being a serviceable reliever. Stash him in AAA as a reliever, see what happens.

by AndrewMcQ on Jan 18, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

In AAA he wouldn't be a problem,

and if he can do well in the PCL he might be worth a shot later in the season, just not in the spring. Bad Ollie had a way of catching up to Good Ollie.

"Me, I romp and stomp Thankful as I romp
Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan

by xmet on Jan 18, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's play Player Comparison, 2010 MLB seasons

Pitcher A: 28 years old, 46.1 innings, 11% walk rate, 50.6% in the zone, 11.5% K rate, 83.0% contact rate, 6.42 FIP
Pitcher B: 29 years old, 46.1 innings!, 17.9% walk rate, 45.3% in the zone 15.8% K rate, 81.4% contact rate, 7.02 FIP

One of them is useless and terrible. The other one is useless and terrible.

by abender20 on Jan 18, 2012 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

Let's play Player Comparison, 2010 MLB season

Pitcher A: 29 years old, 46.1 innings!, 17.9% walk rate, 45.3% in the zone, 15.8% K rate, 81.4% contact rate, 7.02 FIP
Pitcher B: 32 years old, 250.2 inning, 3.0% walk rate, 68.4% in the zone, 22.1% K rate, 79.6% contact rate, 3.01 FIP

One of them is Roy Halladay. The other one is now a Mariner!

by seattlebruin on Jan 18, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Mike Leach fills the quota of pirates in Washington State

I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.

by Trenchtown on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Too late!

Finally, no more talking about getting him back.

by phiat on Jan 18, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If either of these players actually got significant playing time something probably has gone seriously wrong with roster construction

so I don’t think it matters at all.

It would just be nice to see Moyer throw on a Mariners jersey one last time. It would be an even nicer touch to see him retire as a Mariner (although like I said if he got significant playing time its a horrible sign for the team’s record this year).

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 18, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He signed with Colorado

Okay, I’m an idiot. If I had a clue, I’d put in a link here, but look over to the right at the Yahoo Sports thing.

by phiat on Jan 18, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

He's asking an incredibly ambiguous why (the why is pointed at EfP's desire to have Moyer back over Perez)

And he’s expecting an incredibly detailed response from EfP to defend himself. I’ve always loved that irony.

by cwel87 on Jan 19, 2012 6:29 AM PST up reply actions  

On one hand, I wanted Moyer because he's awesome.

On the other hand, I didn’t want Moyer, because I want him to leach wins off a team with a better offense.

by joof on Jan 19, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps this is a very good sign

If the M’s think the top pitching prospects are going to rocket to the majors quickly, they don’t want to overwhelm A and AA guys by bringing them to Tacoma too quickly. So there needs to be some innings eaters (season eaters?) down there so they can take your time with the guys they care about. Perez is a good hint that Paxton and/or Hultzen will be in the majors quickly.

(I’m not that serious here. I have no idea why they got him.)

by Chris_FB on Jan 18, 2012 6:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Not a bad theory, really.

"Perhaps the worst comment I've ever seen on LL." - sanford_and_son.

by Ride the Apocalypse on Jan 19, 2012 6:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Jeff.

That last line about having too many catchers was the funniest thing I’ve read all day. You are a great writer. Keep it up!

Go Mariners! Yes, they're from Seattle. No, that's a Florida team. We catch them.

by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Jan 18, 2012 6:45 PM PST reply actions  

Unless is pitch speed magically reached 92 or higher

or Ollie magically managed to become crafty, which i doubt both, he is going to suck so bad.

A void? I see no void!

by gunsbound on Jan 18, 2012 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

The only question worth asking if this is the move to replace Pineda?

My guess? Hells no. Upside lefty with no real risk. Moving along…

by Adam B on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM PST reply actions  

Just so you guys know

LOLlie is real mature now that he’s married, and he’s the next Sandy Koufax. So, have fun with that.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 18, 2012 8:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

The

explanation.

"Me, I romp and stomp Thankful as I romp
Without freedom of speech I might be in the swamp" B. Dylan

by xmet on Jan 19, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this is totally OT...

But this made me think of the LLemmies. Are we still doing those?

by kennerdoloman on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

sb was kind enough to take the time last year.

I wouldn’t assume that he has, or is willing to dedicate, the time this year. My guess is that, were you willing to take on the responsibility, you could probably ask him to see if he has plans for them this year.

by ToddK on Jan 19, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sure that part of the reason he is getting consideration (if he is really getting any at all).......

pertains to the fact that he is a left hander. Still, Oli pal, I suggest you pack light for your trip to Peoria.

"Fly, fly away"

by Ichiro's Jock Strap on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 PM PST reply actions  

You got plagiarized, Mr. Sullivan

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-mariners-perez

The commenter called ‘Maxim M’

I don’t know if it ticks you off, makes you chuckle, or neither, but I just noticed it.

by Aly Edge on Jan 21, 2012 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

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