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Wondering if this is the thread to skirt the politics rule...
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 AM PST reply actions
The Oatmeal's automatic playing blackout message is pretty good
by Craptastic-J on Jan 18, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Your cynicism and koala racism prove your ProSOPA tendencies
by Craptastic-J on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
All of you are intolerant bastards.
by SeaKoala on Jan 18, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 14 recs
I admit it.
I think Koalas are only 3/5 bear.
by morrow on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 13 recs
I would argue that in this case, the no politics rule shouldn't apply since it is on topic with the article.
But that’s obviously not my call.
@Goose1701
Discussion of SOPA/PIPA/related can be had
but if it turns into anything partisan or the like, it’ll be closed.
How about a link to a site where you can click-to-call reps and senators?
Mariners fan in SF :: @Eric_Dykstra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CongressLookup?zip=
Wikipedia is doing this all day today. For example, I entered Randy Johnson into google (no special reason) and followed the wikipedia entry for it. I got redirected to a page that asked for my zip code, and then got the above URL plus zip code. One can go directly to the URL in my subject line and go from there too.
You can just direct people to Wikipedia. Put in your zip code on the front page and they all your local info.
Well these sites make it even easier.
This is the site that Wordpress, Reddit, imgur, etc are linking to: http://americancensorship.org/modal/call-form.html
This is a handy in-browser click-to-call (and geo-locates your representatives!) made at PennApps: http://grassroutes.us/sopa
Mariners fan in SF :: @Eric_Dykstra
Even a way to fax your representatives, if you don't want to get on the phone.
This one is cool: http://www.hellofax.com/StopSOPA
Mariners fan in SF :: @Eric_Dykstra
by lailaihei on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Mass faxing is awesome because it's much more annoying
You either have to have somebody stand by the fax machine and pull every time a fax comes in or you have to sift through pages and pages to find the important fax you wanted between all the SOPA faxes
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Actually, most offices use a digital fax service combined with OCR.
Still super annoying though.
That's why I made sure to reference viagra and cialis in my e-mail subjects to them
by Matthew on Jan 18, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Their software will proactively pick out search terms like PIPA and SOPA.
Rather than being ignored, using the accurate terms will make your email easier to find and count in their tally.
by SeattExPat on Jan 18, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I'm sure they were position form letters, one was fairly extensive.
I think at the bottom of the form you send in there’s a disclaimer saying they can’t reply to specific emails.
Depending on the office, the actual Rep or Senator will have written, or at least read, the response.
Sometimes it never goes above the staff level. When an office receives hundreds of an identical incoming message, it would be impossible not to use a form letter.
Nobody in the NW has an opinion in the HOR?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Nobody in the NW is on the relevant committee.
The bill hasn’t passed to the floor yet in either house
Thanks for clarifying
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Nice to see Jim McDermott come out against SOPA
Its time to wash our hands clean of #SOPA. We need to do something about online piracy, but SOPA isn’t the right approach.
I admit to a kind of resigned helpless feeling about this sort of thing
Apart from slacktivism from my desk (emails to congresscritters, etc.), there’s really not much I can do if someone several servers upstream from me decides to cut the cord. And that’s for any reason – business folds, power outage, DOS attack, act of God, whatever.
I do know that my Mariners fandom has increased a hundredfold in rabidity and data points thanks to all the excellent Mariners blogs (including and especially this one), so I don’t know how my fandom would morph over time if I only had people in meatspace to discuss it with. “No, actually, it doesn’t work that way, because Felix’s walks per 9 innings was… gimme a sec, let me look it up on Fangra…sonuvabitch.”
On a personal note, I'm glad to see SBN say something.
63 days after I asked them to.
by Matthew on Jan 18, 2012 10:26 AM PST reply actions 11 recs
They had to wait until it was the trendy thing to do- helps cover their own asses
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Boy I love it when people who have no idea what's going on speculate on motives
by Graham MacAree on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I have very little idea of what the SOPA act is.
I’ve done some research, but I still can’t grasp what the effects would be. From my understanding, it is banning plagiarism and piracy (like movies, songs, etc.) I feel like there is more to this though, but I’m not getting it. Can someone explain please?
This is the best explanation I've seen
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
by Corco on Jan 18, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
but essentially
Any website that is deemed to be hosting any pirated content can be shut down immediately and then sued. If I posted a clip from a feature film here, for instance, SBNation could be immediately shut down even though I have no ownership or association with SBNation
The website would still be accessible by the IP, but the domain name would be pulled down- so sites that actually are pirating would still be accessible, which makes the whole thing really stupid.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
How lame
Thank you so much by the way. Even though I download most of my music of mediafire, I support the banning of piracy but this does not seem like the best way to handle it. This would mean no more Nyjer Morgan pictures :(
Piracy is already illegal.
SOPA is about enforcement.
by Matthew on Jan 18, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I thoroughly applaud the motive, too
But the collateral damage the wording of the bill allows is just thoroughly unacceptable.
by Graham MacAree on Jan 18, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Problem is that a lot of the piracy is overseas like in China and Korea: places where American law can't get to
It wouldn’t stop piracy, pirates would just find ways to circumvent it.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
You mean it would completely fail to stop piracy but damage legitimate competition to old media?
Why I’ve never have been so shocked!
by stredarts on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
A huge problem also
Is there is no appeal process. So you can be accused and shut down but never have broken the law.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 18, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Isn't this bill dead on the congressional floor?
From my understanding, nobody really supports it as it stands.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Sure I would
This is like the first site I read every day because of the quality of writing and awesome commenters.
With that said, I don’t think the bill would already be passed and someone reporting this site for infringement.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Jan 18, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
You misunderstand.
Wikipedia, Craigslist, Google, Reddit and SB Nation wouldn’t be calling your attention to this issue if it was DOA.
SOPA was temporarily shelved. They'll most likely attempt to make cosmetic changes and reintroduce it in a month or so.
And then there’s still that whole other PIPA thing.
No, there's plenty of support still.
And even if not for the current wording of this bill, they’ll keep trying.
Congress has promised to change it
but the changes they propose aren’t enough. It’s got much less momentum than it did a month ago, but it’s still alive and needs to be beheaded ASAP.
Not by a longshot.
A potent combination of industry, labor, and ideological groups support the bill. Whenever you get the Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO on the same side of an issue, you are dealing with a potent force.
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Actually, you have copyright in what you just wrote the second you hit "post"
Original work of authorship, fixed in a tangible medium of expression.
I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.
Copyright ownership is a difficult thing to transfer. It has to be in writing and is seperate from the "art" itself
I also looked up the SB Nation terms of use, they merely grant themselves a very generous license to your comments, posts, etc.. Congratulations, you Mathew are still the proud owner of some 50,000 comments, 300 fanposts, and 100 or so fanshots. Hopefully, being such a prolific copyright owner does not go to your head.
I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.
SB Nation isn't against sopapilas, right?
Because those are delicious.
by Razztopia on Jan 18, 2012 1:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I really like that statement from SBN
Particularly the part about their being two sets of legitimate interests that both need to be protected. Obviously, SOPA/PIPA goes way over the line, but the current Wild West environment of the Internet can’t really continue either.
It’s important to remember that the reason bills like this have momentum behind them isn’t as simple as good or evil. Businesses have a right to act (within a reasonable scope) to protect their revenue streams.
So, by that argument, we should allow Foxconn's labor practices here
Because hey, it’s happening in China so we may as well just accept it everywhere!
We let people here buy products made there.
Your analogy is not proving what you think it is
Sure it is.
Bringing up China as a reason not to enforce copyright anywhere was ridiculous, but I simply played to the example given.
I think this was directed at me
The topic is SOPA not China’s labor law. I just didn’t want to see this get turned into a debate over labor laws in another country. Although I do agree we need to put pressure on China to enforce their copyright laws. They do have them, its just no enforced.
If this bill in any way endangers contributions by Scruffy Lefty then I'm against it
by Kermit. on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
*KERMIT FOR AMERICA
Kermit being America would be weird
by seattlebruin on Jan 18, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be sure to wear my campaign T-shirt!

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by Fin on Jan 18, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
'Copyright protection' is the justification used by government to get what it wants, which is more power to shut down sites it doesn't like.
Power always wishes to control information and the current mostly free internet makes that very difficult. These attacks will continue and if copyright protection won’t get it done, fully expect the national security/terrorism strawman to be woven into the argument.
Piracy is a problem but not to the extent certain industry lobbyists and PR people claim. Their ‘numbers’ tend to be based on the idea that every single downloaded movie/song/game/program = a lost sale which is of course, nonsense. They already have the DMCA. Beyond that, I am dubious that there is a technically feasible way to 100% protect all copyrighted material without ruining the free and open net.
I actually really doubt SOPA/PIPA is driven by "the government".
I’d bet somebody else’s left testicle that it’s entirely a product of the lobbying from the entertainment industry.
I should have worded that better.
I was trying to convey my belief this would be happening under some other pretense if piracy didn’t exist. The current legislation was certainly written by lobbyists representing the entertainment industry. You don’t see such wide bipartisan support of anything that isn’t well funded, special interest stuff very often anymore.
















