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Discussion of SOPA/PIPA/related can be had

but if it turns into anything partisan or the like, it’ll be closed.

by Matthew on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CongressLookup?zip=

Wikipedia is doing this all day today. For example, I entered Randy Johnson into google (no special reason) and followed the wikipedia entry for it. I got redirected to a page that asked for my zip code, and then got the above URL plus zip code. One can go directly to the URL in my subject line and go from there too.

by Chris_FB on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Well these sites make it even easier.

This is the site that Wordpress, Reddit, imgur, etc are linking to: http://americancensorship.org/modal/call-form.html
This is a handy in-browser click-to-call (and geo-locates your representatives!) made at PennApps: http://grassroutes.us/sopa

Mariners fan in SF :: @Eric_Dykstra

by lailaihei on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Mass faxing is awesome because it's much more annoying

You either have to have somebody stand by the fax machine and pull every time a fax comes in or you have to sift through pages and pages to find the important fax you wanted between all the SOPA faxes

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jan 18, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Way better than emails

I’m sure they just ignore anything with a SOPA headline

by LeftArrow2 on Jan 18, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I'm sure they were position form letters, one was fairly extensive.

I think at the bottom of the form you send in there’s a disclaimer saying they can’t reply to specific emails.

by wazzu93 on Jan 18, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Depending on the office, the actual Rep or Senator will have written, or at least read, the response.

Sometimes it never goes above the staff level. When an office receives hundreds of an identical incoming message, it would be impossible not to use a form letter.

by SeattExPat on Jan 18, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Not related to calling directly...

But I found a neat map indicating the support for both bills.

by JY on Jan 18, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody in the NW has an opinion in the HOR?

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody in the NW is on the relevant committee.

The bill hasn’t passed to the floor yet in either house

by Matthew on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Jan 18, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice to see Jim McDermott come out against SOPA

On twitter

Its time to wash our hands clean of #SOPA. We need to do something about online piracy, but SOPA isn’t the right approach.

by JLC on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I admit to a kind of resigned helpless feeling about this sort of thing

Apart from slacktivism from my desk (emails to congresscritters, etc.), there’s really not much I can do if someone several servers upstream from me decides to cut the cord. And that’s for any reason – business folds, power outage, DOS attack, act of God, whatever.

I do know that my Mariners fandom has increased a hundredfold in rabidity and data points thanks to all the excellent Mariners blogs (including and especially this one), so I don’t know how my fandom would morph over time if I only had people in meatspace to discuss it with. “No, actually, it doesn’t work that way, because Felix’s walks per 9 innings was… gimme a sec, let me look it up on Fangra…sonuvabitch.”

by Chris_FB on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

Honestly, I have very little idea of what the SOPA act is.

I’ve done some research, but I still can’t grasp what the effects would be. From my understanding, it is banning plagiarism and piracy (like movies, songs, etc.) I feel like there is more to this though, but I’m not getting it. Can someone explain please?

by MilesC on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

but essentially

Any website that is deemed to be hosting any pirated content can be shut down immediately and then sued. If I posted a clip from a feature film here, for instance, SBNation could be immediately shut down even though I have no ownership or association with SBNation

The website would still be accessible by the IP, but the domain name would be pulled down- so sites that actually are pirating would still be accessible, which makes the whole thing really stupid.

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

How lame

Thank you so much by the way. Even though I download most of my music of mediafire, I support the banning of piracy but this does not seem like the best way to handle it. This would mean no more Nyjer Morgan pictures :(

by MilesC on Jan 18, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I thoroughly applaud the motive, too

But the collateral damage the wording of the bill allows is just thoroughly unacceptable.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 18, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Problem is that a lot of the piracy is overseas like in China and Korea: places where American law can't get to

It wouldn’t stop piracy, pirates would just find ways to circumvent it.

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot

by beastwarking on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

A huge problem also

Is there is no appeal process. So you can be accused and shut down but never have broken the law.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 18, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn't this bill dead on the congressional floor?

From my understanding, nobody really supports it as it stands.

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot

by beastwarking on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

Sure I would

This is like the first site I read every day because of the quality of writing and awesome commenters.

With that said, I don’t think the bill would already be passed and someone reporting this site for infringement.

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot

by beastwarking on Jan 18, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You misunderstand.

Wikipedia, Craigslist, Google, Reddit and SB Nation wouldn’t be calling your attention to this issue if it was DOA.

by Mayo on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

No, there's plenty of support still.

And even if not for the current wording of this bill, they’ll keep trying.

by Matthew on Jan 18, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Congress has promised to change it

but the changes they propose aren’t enough. It’s got much less momentum than it did a month ago, but it’s still alive and needs to be beheaded ASAP.

by pdb on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Not by a longshot.

A potent combination of industry, labor, and ideological groups support the bill. Whenever you get the Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO on the same side of an issue, you are dealing with a potent force.

by SeattExPat on Jan 18, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, you have copyright in what you just wrote the second you hit "post"

Original work of authorship, fixed in a tangible medium of expression.

I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.

by Trenchtown on Jan 18, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Copyright ownership is a difficult thing to transfer. It has to be in writing and is seperate from the "art" itself

I also looked up the SB Nation terms of use, they merely grant themselves a very generous license to your comments, posts, etc.. Congratulations, you Mathew are still the proud owner of some 50,000 comments, 300 fanposts, and 100 or so fanshots. Hopefully, being such a prolific copyright owner does not go to your head.

I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.

by Trenchtown on Jan 18, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I really like that statement from SBN

Particularly the part about their being two sets of legitimate interests that both need to be protected. Obviously, SOPA/PIPA goes way over the line, but the current Wild West environment of the Internet can’t really continue either.

It’s important to remember that the reason bills like this have momentum behind them isn’t as simple as good or evil. Businesses have a right to act (within a reasonable scope) to protect their revenue streams.

by Jeff Nye on Jan 18, 2012 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

Sure it is.

Bringing up China as a reason not to enforce copyright anywhere was ridiculous, but I simply played to the example given.

by Jeff Nye on Jan 18, 2012 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

I think this was directed at me

The topic is SOPA not China’s labor law. I just didn’t want to see this get turned into a debate over labor laws in another country. Although I do agree we need to put pressure on China to enforce their copyright laws. They do have them, its just no enforced.

by LeftArrow2 on Jan 18, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

'Copyright protection' is the justification used by government to get what it wants, which is more power to shut down sites it doesn't like.

Power always wishes to control information and the current mostly free internet makes that very difficult. These attacks will continue and if copyright protection won’t get it done, fully expect the national security/terrorism strawman to be woven into the argument.

Piracy is a problem but not to the extent certain industry lobbyists and PR people claim. Their ‘numbers’ tend to be based on the idea that every single downloaded movie/song/game/program = a lost sale which is of course, nonsense. They already have the DMCA. Beyond that, I am dubious that there is a technically feasible way to 100% protect all copyrighted material without ruining the free and open net.

by Big Jared on Jan 18, 2012 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

I actually really doubt SOPA/PIPA is driven by "the government".

I’d bet somebody else’s left testicle that it’s entirely a product of the lobbying from the entertainment industry.

by Matthew on Jan 18, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I should have worded that better.

I was trying to convey my belief this would be happening under some other pretense if piracy didn’t exist. The current legislation was certainly written by lobbyists representing the entertainment industry. You don’t see such wide bipartisan support of anything that isn’t well funded, special interest stuff very often anymore.

by Big Jared on Jan 18, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

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