Hot Sexy Seattle Mariners Trade Rumor
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 13, 2012 4:35 PM PST
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The #Mariners are moving closer to a trade for a young impact hitter, two baseball sources confirmed.
It's a "significant trade,'' says one source. And Brandon League is not part of the return package.
What we know:
- The Mariners are trying to trade for a hitter
- It is not an old, non-impact hitter
- Brandon League isn't involved
- The trade isn't insignificant
Now, since I started writing this post, the idea has popped up on Twitter that the Mariners are on the verge of trading Michael Pineda for Jesus Montero. That's presently speculation, but it's also pretty sensible - the Mariners have a wealth of starting pitching, the Yankees have a dearth of quality starting pitching, Montero would be under club control forever, etc etc etc. I don't know what I would think of such a trade just yet, but there you go, for you to think about.
No trade has been made, as far as I know. A trade could happen soon. Happy Friday night! Good luck leaving your computers!
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Straight up is probably a bad idea, right? I mean, we'd want something more than just Montero for it to even be a consideration, right?
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Really?
A top of the line, young, major league proven pitcher for something that is just a prospect? A good prospect, mind you, but unproven.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
One without a proven defense spot to boot.
Pineda for Montero straight is not a deal I like
Z seems to have a list of players
1) Branyan
2) Heilman
3) Smoak
4) Gutierrez
5) Montero
6) Wilson
and he doesn’t want guys not on that list
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by Corco on Jan 13, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He keeps targeting the same players
He got Branyan, lost Branyan, got Branyan back
He got Heilman, lost Heilman, got Heilman back
He almost got Montero, didn’t get Montero, is now getting Montero
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
I'm not claiming that to be a good thing or a bad thing, but it seems to be a thing
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
If it ends up just being Pineda for Montero
That’s very bad.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
You guys got Montero, but there is more involved
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Folks, let me say this
You just got your clean up hitter for the next decade.
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Drew Henson!
Eric Duncan!
Phillip Hughes!
Every Yankees prospect not named Cano for the last 12 years!
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by Corco on Jan 13, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Montero's different
We knew Duncan sucked. Montero has been called Miguel Cabrera-like by scouts.
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Glad to see it!
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My instant reaction is to hate this.
I don’t like giving up a young #2 with upside with a year of MLB experience for a DH that’s proved nothing.
OPS of nearly 1 in 18 games!
HUGE sample size!
by wyte_lightning on Jan 13, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is my point of view as well
That you clearly stole. Give it back.
Wow...
We signed Iwakuma? Nice! Wait, Pineda and Montero? What’s going on?!
Anyone that thinks Yuniesky Betancourt outplayed anyone last year, you're a moron, and I hope your genes are stricken from the world to prevent further breeding.
Should Yankees fans be happy?
Right now we’re really angry. We reeeeeeeally like Montero.
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Michael Pineda is a very promising young pitcher.
He needs to refine his change-up but if he does he’s going to be deadly.
Aaaaand now we'll have to face him
That won’t suck at alllll… :\
Holy crap
You have never watched Pineda pitch, I am guessing? Dude has a legit power arm.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I guess thats one way to rate how good a trade is.
To see how mad the fans of the other team get. This one seems like an even trade based on reaction.
Dave Krieg!
I deeply hope this isn't true, though I fear it to be.
I’m not very emotionally attached to any of the big free agents the yanks have picked up over the past few years, but I don’t need to see Fielder in pinstripes.
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by kentcheesehead on Jan 13, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
This is my greatest fear
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Greg Johns:
No confirmation from team, but source says Mariners sending Pineda and Jose Campos to Yankees for Jesus Montero/Hector Noesi.
Noesi isn't that bad.
He’s not that good either. His minor league control numbers were much better than his majors so far. Not sure if that means anything.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Campos is hugely talented tho.
As this stands right now, I don’t like the deal either. You have ML ready players in Montero and Noesi for ML ready player Pineda and way far off Campos.
But, Pineda alone is worth more than Montero and Noesi.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
That's his problem
He’s not so “no-walk” in the majors so far. If he can get back to that, he’ll be fine.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
56.1 innings does not a sample size make.
So I’m giving him a pass thus far. But 3.51 BB/9 isn’t sooo bad if that’s the worst it gets.
3.51 sucks. He has a 9% walk rate (8.9) when the ML average is 8.1%
His k-rate was better in the minors, but petered out at higher levels. Not sure what happened there. Not a groundball guy either, which doesn’t help.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
When you have nothing else to compensate for it?
I think it does.
You can get away with a higher walk rate if you strike out more guys (The AJ Burnett solution).
You can get away with a higher walk rate if you put lots of balls in the dirt (the Jake Westbrook solution)
What does Noesi got that is so special?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
That doesn't make any sense.
You can say the package sucks, or whatever, but having a 9% walk rate compared to an 8% average is not “sucking”. That’s hyperbole.
The package sucks, then.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Greg Johns:
No confirmation from team, but source says Mariners sending Pineda and Jose Campos to Yankees for Jesus Montero/Hector Noesi.
by wyte_lightning on Jan 13, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
would be pretty happy about that.
Especially if he turns out to be as good a hitter as many seem to believe
Technically qualifies
for fantasy purposes.
I initially wanted to freak out
I really like Pineda. Jesus Montero hasn’t played a Major League season. But after thinking it over, Montero is a blue chip hitter among blue chip hitters. He’s killed AAA. To the eye, he looked great in his callup. He’s young. At the same time, Pineda has missed time due to an injured throwing arm within the last few years, he hasn’t gotten over the 200 IP threshold, and he tired obviously last year after the All-Star break. Those are a lot of red flags, and it might be wise to sell high on him, given that we are deep in pitching.
I think I like this.
I don't mind losing Pineda
I just sorta wish it was for someone else.
The Yankee Prospect Universe
The YPU is separated from reality by something greasy that smells like garbage
by Craptastic-J on Jan 13, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
It's a terrible terrible place
Much like the YPU
by Craptastic-J on Jan 13, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
I want Pineda!
Leader of Drew Vettleson fanclub
Right hander...
Why did it have to be a right hander…
Zips on Montero for 2012
.271/.333/.486, 112 OPS+
Not bad for a 22 year old, but not exactly “Young Edgar.”
Sorry to bother you folks
But can someone give a Yankees fan a reason to like this trade? We hate it, looks like you hate it, what’s going on?
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Montero's upside is limited by the fact that he has no defensive position.
That is really the primary issue in my opinion.
Well of course
But I was content with waiting for Oswalt/Kuroda price to go down, keeping Montero.
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What I meant was that it seems like Nova is highly regarded by Yankee fans
and having an even better Nova would be something Yankee fans would be excited about. Not to mention Pineda is cheap.
Yes
and Yes. Thanks
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This worries me
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Safeco Field has a short right porch too.
Not quite to the extreme, but I doubt it’ll hurt Pineda too much. He’s a serious strikeout pitcher, and strikeout pitchers aren’t hurt as badly by park factors as non-strikeout pitchers.
Thank you
Appreciate the info
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We hope only bad things happen to your team until the end of time. Have a nice day, though!
by morrow on Jan 13, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Every team likes their prospects better
And until someone’s player becomes a monster, both team’s fans will likely feel disappointed.
I think this is one of those perfect examples of fans of their respective teams overvaluing their own players/prospects
I suspect that with some time and further clarification that both sides will come to terms with it
Y'all just screwed us, if Pineda stays healthy he'll be special
That monstrosity of a stadium won’t help his numbers much though
Oh boy, Right handed power!
please don’t let this blow up in our faces.
You just made me like this trade 100x more
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Hmm. Hope he's better than the last Jesus Seattle Traded For..
by Papa Chelmon on Jan 13, 2012 4:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Cameron:
Am on board with trading Pineda.
Well no shit.
@Goose1701
by Goose on Jan 13, 2012 4:54 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I don't get why he hates Pineda
Then again, I don’t understand half of what he thinks.
He hasnt liked Montero much in the past either.
I’m pretty sure he only likes prospects if they are in the A-Rod Griffey Longoria tier of prospects.
by joof on Jan 13, 2012 8:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He actually advocated locking him up long term
he also just thought Pindea was our best trade chip. It’s not hard to understand.
http://www.ussmariner.com/2011/12/11/should-the-mariners-extend-michael-pineda-now/
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
In three years the Yankees will have 2/5 of the future Mariners rotation.
Felix is still ours though, you selfish pricks.
Dave Cameron will be so happy
He never wanted Pineda to stay a Mariner in the first place…
by Chris_FB on Jan 13, 2012 4:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It's oversimplified, but it pretty much is true
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 13, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Completley untrue.
Dave felt that Pineda was the best trade chip for a variety of reasons. That is all. He’s actually pretty ambivalent about this trade.
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
Dave advocating that they should lock him up long term...
learn to use the interwebs.
http://www.ussmariner.com/2011/12/11/should-the-mariners-extend-michael-pineda-now/
And now, for my very elaborate and college-educated plan!'
I can't think this trade would be made if Jack thinks Montero is going to DH.
Either we are making more moves or Montero is going to catch (badly).
I don't get how half a season of Cliff Lee was worth Montero a year ago but six years of Pineda is worth Montero now
Has Montero’s stock really climbed that much?
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Only if Pineda has a stretch where he struggles
MLBPA would otherwise win the grievance.
by G_ on Jan 13, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
For realizies, but not quite certainizies
Just an educated guess based on familiarity with the baseball CBA and labor relations.
by G_ on Jan 13, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
For this reason, I mean.
Not a grievance in general.
It's unlikely that, had the Yankees actually traded for Lee, that they would not have made an as strong an effort, if not stronger effort, to sign Lee to an extension
Even if they hadn’t, they would’ve received draft picks as compensation for losing Cliff Lee in FA.
Different situation.
Some desperation forced New York to act. They also had to outbid the other teams involved, which included the Rangers who weren’t originally budging on Smoak. When they caved, that’s when things went south for the Yankees.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 13, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
From what I hear....
…lot of gap power and lot of DEEP power.
BUt not sure how that will play in SAFECO, where the problems are in the air and winds.
how would you feel if this was pineda for mike stanton?
straight up
montero is just a name, a name that makes sense but i think pineda to florida also does
by dougstrangerthanfiction on Jan 13, 2012 4:58 PM PST reply actions
I would trade felix for mike stanton.
Dude could be one of the best hitters in the game for years to come.
I would be dancing down the hallways of my office
Probably an Irish jig.
Does Montero equate to no Prince?
If so, then whatever shall we do with all that money?
We'll need another starter.
Maybe Roy Oswalt 1/8
Friday the 13th...
I was busy wrapping a couple gifts for my son who turned 4 today and had been feeling pretty good, then my phone notifies me of this trade. Drat! I own one jersey from the present roster, and placed my wager on what seemed like the safe bet. Of course, I put my money on Pineda. Now he’s a Yankee. Double drat.
by brugg on Jan 13, 2012 4:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The AM radio call in show, Geoff Baker crowd better be friggin happy now
There’s your big bat. Now shush.
by Chris_FB on Jan 13, 2012 5:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That was my initial reaction,
but after doing a little research, John Sickels had him as the Yankees #5 prospect, grade B. Sickels has Campos as the M’s #5 prospect (this year), also a “B”. Obviously prospects change over time, but it seems like Campos and Noesi are similar type pitchers, except that Campos is younger and has better upside, while Noesi is ready to contribute now but has a lower ceiling.
Noesi is a fine pitcher.
Would be a good mid-rotation guy. Nova-esque.
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Olney
Olney
Strong reaction so far from other teams: Some execs from other AL East teams believe Yankees just made an incredible trade.
Campos
Any info you can proivde on him?
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He hates Boston and disparages the Mets often.
That’s about as much as I know.
by Jackington on Jan 13, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They created a King's Court for him at Everett last year.
Dude was phenomenal, but still a long ways away.
by drblacknwhite on Jan 13, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
He's definitely a long ways off
But if he keeps developing at the same rate he did last year then he could be a monster.
by Cascadian Man on Jan 13, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
He's young
but he’s more valuable than Noesi.
The Campos/Noesi aspect is what has me curious. If the general consensus is that Campos is ultimately worth more than Noesi (which is my assumption), then that would mean that Zduriencik considered Montero significantly more valuable than Pineda, right? I might be underrating Noesi or overrating Campos, but I don’t like the idea of paying additional consideration to make the trade because I don’t believe that Montero is significantly more valuable than Pineda. If anything, he’s less valuable or has similar value. Am I right?
It would be so damn funny
if news broke that the M’s broke off talks with the Yankees and instead agreed to trade Pineda to someone else.
If we get back a prospect, I'd rather trade a prospect
If we’re trading someone Major League proven, we damn well need someone(s, preferrably) Major League proven in return.
From a Montero scouting report:
“He takes pride in his defense”
I bet.
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by kentcheesehead on Jan 13, 2012 5:20 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Our defense has been lacking for pride since Raul left.
by mkries on Jan 13, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That '09 defense was particularly shameful
The statistics you don't compile never lie.
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by kentcheesehead on Jan 13, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I trust the people being paid the big bucks. I understand there's more where Pineda came from.
I still freaking hate this. Probably always will :(
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