Gutierrez Almost Certainly Done for 2011

He suffered a "severe" oblique strain today and those don't bounce back in just a few weeks and even if they did, what's the point of rushing him back?

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At least he finished reasonably strong, and he'll have more time to recondition himself for next year.

by FaceRuiner on Sep 4, 2011 9:44 PM PDT reply actions

I think a fresh start next season is what he really needs.

Missing spring training and the first month of the season didn’t do him any good.

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by Marinerfanjake on Sep 4, 2011 11:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Finished strong?

.310 wOBA in August isn’t strong

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 4, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Combined with his elite defense, I'll take it.

by Patrick Stites on Sep 4, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions

He is due 5.5 million next year and 7 million the year after that which is quite a bit for our roster.

I’d like him to be an above average player. With his contract he doesn’t have to be great but we have talented young outfielders that can probably hit better and do a decent job in the field.

Hopefully next year he will be healthier and can get a new start.

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 5, 2011 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions

If you trust fWAR, he would be roughly average-above average over a full season.

by Mariner John on Sep 5, 2011 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions

I'm not saying he is bad but this season was about as bad as I had expected was possible from Guti

In my mind I have counted on Guti being a really good player in the future. Like Ichiro, Guti’s season has caused me to rethink what I should be expecting. This worries me because if the 2012 M’s were going to be really good these players were going to have a big role in that.

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 5, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions

So... Trayvon in CF? I'd be happy to get a look at him out there for the rest of the season

Sounds like he has a below average arm for the position but I haven’t seen him yet

by Kermit. on Sep 4, 2011 9:55 PM PDT reply actions

Trayvon with some Saunders and Halman probably

by Matthew on Sep 4, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Oh yeah, those guys.

Maybe you know what the regimen is for this type of injury, anything like the platelet injections I read about pitchers getting?

by Kermit. on Sep 4, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Michael.

He’s a nice chap.

by Matthew on Sep 4, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Was nice the first thing that came to your mind about him?

Not hitting ability?

by LeftArrow2 on Sep 5, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions

And/or Peguero!

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Sep 4, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Too much thrusting his pelvis violently

by MilesC on Sep 4, 2011 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs

Put Guti on the 60 day and call up Catricala

Carp can play left and Cat can dh. I know this probably isn’t gonna happen but might as well give him a taste. Might be the best right handed hitter in the organization at the moment and it would be a good way to reward the monster year he has had.

by Vegasexpat on Sep 4, 2011 10:06 PM PDT reply actions

Seems pointless considering the 60 day DL goes away in the offseason so we'd have to DFA someone to get Guti back.

by Mariner John on Sep 5, 2011 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions

Adam Kennedy

Problem solved.

by Vegasexpat on Sep 5, 2011 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions

Adam Kennedy is on a 1 year contract.

by Patrick Stites on Sep 5, 2011 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions

It just seems pointless. We don't need someone to DH right now. Why not just wait the month to put Catricala on the 40 man?

by Mariner John on Sep 5, 2011 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions

Because Cat doesn't even need to be added to the 40-man this year?

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by JY on Sep 5, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions

I should have checked that. I assumed he was Rule 5 for some reason.

by Mariner John on Sep 5, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Nope, too soon.

I think we’re looking at ’07 high school kids and ’08 college draftees this year.

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by JY on Sep 5, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Did you miss the part where I said it's not gonna happen?

Just a fantasy scenario because I want to be able to watch him hit, nothing more than that. It’s not like he is that far away from the majors at this point, going to be hard to keep him off the team all next year if he keeps being one of the best hitters in minor league baseball.

by Vegasexpat on Sep 5, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions

Time to buy him gift certificates to an all -you-can-eat Brazilian grill.

by abender20 on Sep 4, 2011 10:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

I hope I see that sweet sweet face in CF again.

by truemsfan on Sep 4, 2011 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

I wonder who we will sign to play CF next year

by Poochie on Sep 4, 2011 10:38 PM PDT reply actions

Prince Fielder

by MilesC on Sep 4, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Carlos Beltran!

by ThundaPC on Sep 4, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Griffey's coming back!

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by JY on Sep 4, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Fuck it, let's do this

by Matthew on Sep 4, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions

And by the contracted 'us' I mean them, by which I mean the Mariners organization.

Because I’m not parting with my money to allow Ken Griffey to play CF again. Man’s gotta buy noodles you know?

by Matthew on Sep 4, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Are you using your money to buy high-quality noodles, store-brand noodles, or cup noodles?

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by perfectstrat on Sep 4, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions

If the Mariners re-sign Griffey to play CF, I will buy you all the noodles you can eat.

by Patrick Stites on Sep 4, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions

We're gonna need more platelets

by Kermit. on Sep 5, 2011 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs

The end to a pretty horrible season

by Edgar for Pres on Sep 4, 2011 11:46 PM PDT reply actions

Good baseball players are said to be able to forget bad PA/games/series and look forward to the next. I hope Guti doesn't spend a moment remembering his 2011 season.

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by mark sobba on Sep 5, 2011 3:05 AM PDT reply actions

Even with a .245 wOBA, he still was worth 1.3 WAR this year

Extrapolated for 600 PA, that’s right around 2 WAR. And even with the higher salary figures coming up in the next few years, at 2 WAR per year he’d still be providing better value than you pay on the open market in free agency.

While all his positive contributions this year come from defense, and UZR isn’t the best statistic over the span of one year, he’s had a UZR/150 over 25 three of the last four years. Even without any offensive improvement, he’s still a valuable player. And I can’t imagine that he won’t have at least SOME improvement. This can’t be his true talent level offensively.

by PhyllisPhallus on Sep 5, 2011 8:39 AM PDT reply actions