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These Playoffs In Ex-Mariners

Players come and go all the time. Depending on the circumstances, a team's roster one year might look very different the next. Yet when a player leaves your team, he doesn't become just any other player; there's a connection that's formed that can never be completely undone. Whether positive or negative or a little bit of both, that player will be colored in some way based on your previous experiences. It's why one name will jump out at you from the following list:

Lucas Duda
Pedro Beato
Mike Nickeas
Miguel Batista
Josh Satin

A Mariners fan will read that and think "nothing nothing nothing OH BLEEDING JESUS, OH JESUS nothing." That's because Miguel Batista was a Mariner, and not a very good one. Granted, he did have some success, but even when he was modestly effective, he was difficult to watch. In a word, the Miguel Batista experience was unpleasant, and that will never be completely forgotten.

So, we're Mariners fans, and the Mariners are not participating in this year's playoffs. It's the tenth consecutive year that they've missed out, which - think about that. The Mariners haven't made the playoffs in a decade. The Cubs have made it three times. The Astros have made it twice. The Padres have made it twice. The Mariners haven't made it. Ten years is a really long time. People born after the Mariners' most recent playoff appearance are in the fifth grade. They're multiplying shit. They're using decimals. They might be on Facebook.

So we like the Mariners, and the Mariners are done playing. We still want to watch the playoffs, though, and watching the playoffs is more fun when you have rooting interests, so I thought it'd be worth examining the landscape of former Mariners scattered among the eight playoff teams, just to see what's out there. A team with cool former Mariners might be easier to root for. A team with uncool former Mariners might be harder to root for. I'm not sure that a team's former Mariners should be the entire basis for your fleeting allegiance, but it's probably a consideration.

What do we have?

Milwaukee Brewers

Yuniesky Betancourt
Josh Wilson

Immediately, this is hard. The Brewers are probably the most generally appealing team of the eight, just because they hadn't won their division since Poltergeist. They're the best bet to be America's bandwagon, and Miller Park has a hell of an atmosphere. I was all ready to cheer for them, too, but, Yuni. You know that whole line of thinking where you look at a player and ask yourself "could a team win with this player?" Yuni blows that line of thinking to smithereens, because the Brewers won, and Yuni is absolutely fucking terrible. He was terrible as a Mariner, and he's been terrible elsewhere. I was reading the other day about how Ron Roenicke has all but given up trying to get Yuni to take a different approach to the plate, implying that he's uncoachable. We've known this to be true for years, and I guess this means Yuni won. As a Mariners fan, it's impossible to root for Yuni. He stands for so much wasted promise. It's possible to still root for the Brewers around him, but personally I hope Yuni goes hitless.

I don't know if Josh Wilson's going to make the playoff roster. If he does, he wouldn't make up for Yuni. Wilson was inoffensive. He was not good, or special. But he sure was boyish.

St. Louis Cardinals

Arthur Rhodes
Corey Patterson

I have three memories of Arthur Rhodes as a Mariner. In one, he makes like he's going to slug Omar Vizquel in the face. In the next, he allows a critical ALCS home run to David Justice. In the last, he allows a critical ALCS home run to Bernie Williams. Corey Patterson was a Mariner for one spring training. Their former Mariners do not make the Cardinals more appealing to Mariners fans.

Arizona Diamondbacks

J.J. Putz
Willie Bloomquist

Now this is strange. For some Mariners fans, Putz and Willie are going to cancel each other out. For other Mariners fans, they're going to add on top of one another. I think Putz is pretty much universally liked for his contributions in the uniform, even despite his on-record opinions of Ichiro. Willie, though, is and forever was somewhat contentious. Some Mariners fans loved him, and some Mariners fans never cared for him. Whichever group you belong you will determine how you proceed, here. I certainly don't think their former Mariners hurt the Diamondbacks' appeal.

Philadelphia Phillies

Cliff Lee
Wilson Valdez
Raul Ibanez

Cliff Lee was pretty much perfect in his limited time as a Mariner, both on and off the field, so he's one of the easiest players to root for in baseball. Raul Ibanez had his downsides, but he was productive and professional the whole way, and is supposed to be a great dude. Wilson Valdez was a Mariner, too. For a kind of long time, in 2005. He eventually gave way to Mike Morse, who gave way to Yuniesky Betancawww dammit this isn't helping. Overall, good, though. Lee and Ibanez. Pretty rootable.

Texas Rangers

Adrian Beltre
Mark Lowe
Yorvit Torrealba
Endy Chavez

The big one here is Beltre, and it's just really, really hard to root against Beltre when you see the level of joy and enthusiasm with which he plays. People are critical of his time spent in Seattle, but anyone who's been on this site for more than five minutes knows that I and others love him to death. This is only Beltre's second shot in the playoffs and I'd like to see him have some success, even if I wouldn't like the same of the Rangers as a whole. As for the other guys, my memories of Lowe are mixed, and he won't be on the ALDS roster anyway. Yorvit Torrealba has a plaque alongside Wilson Valdez in the Armando Benitez Wing of former Mariners. And with Chavez, all I can think is that, if the Rangers and Brewers meet in the World Series, it'd be great to see Chavez slide into second and snap Yuni's ankle.

Tampa Bay Rays

Casey Kotchman

Yikes. I was already kind of over the Rays before, but yikes. I'm tempted to include Matt Joyce here because I think of him as a former Mariner, even though he's not. Read about a trade rumor enough and the brain does funny things. Remember when the Mariners traded Richie Sexson and Rafael Soriano for Adam LaRoche and Tim Hudson? That was an exciting day. I made a cake!

Detroit Tigers

Doug Fister
David Pauley
Ramon Santiago
Carlos Guillen

It tickles me that the Tigers have Carlos Guillen, and the main guy for whom Carlos Guillen was traded. And by the way, Ramontiago is kind of good now. He just needed to get out of Seattle. Anyway, I don't think any Mariners fan has particularly strong feelings about Guillen or Santiago anymore, and honestly I'm not sure any Mariners fan has particularly strong feelings about Pauley, either. He was just a half-decent middle reliever. The main guy here is Fister, and I think I speak for everybody when I say, as much as I wish he were still a Mariner, I think it's awesome to see him flourishing in Detroit. It's as awesome to see Fister flourishing in Detroit as it was to see Jarrod Washburn basically fall down the stairs for two months. I guess he fell down an escalator. For me, Fister pretty much cements the Tigers as the team I want to see emerge from the AL playoff pool and lose the World Series.

New York Yankees

Alex Rodriguez
Freddy Garcia
Rafael Soriano

It's funny - Garcia and Soriano played fairly prominent roles in this organization's somewhat recent past, and I don't really know if they left positive, negative, or overall neutral impressions. I guess that's maybe as strong a sign as any that they left overall neutral impressions, but that seems weird given how important each player was. No matter, since, A-Rod. I don't hate A-Rod to the same degree that so many other Mariners fans do, but that's only because so many other Mariners fans still want to push him into the street. I'd probably just, I dunno, trip him on the sidewalk, or move in front of him and walk really slowly. Haha, you're being inconvenienced!

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For other Mariners fans, they’re going to add on top of one another.

I’ve been saying for years this is the most homoerotic baseball site on the internet

by Poochie on Sep 29, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I still hate Yuni till this day.

I remember that night like it was a couple days ago. Yuni was not on the team much longer.

by KidDanger on Sep 29, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Long enough almost do it again >:(

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Sep 29, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Want to flag this so badly.

:(

One of the worst things I’ve witnessed at Safeco.

by sanford_and_son on Sep 29, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet you are.

I sincerely hope he doesn’t fuck up anything for the Brewers. I’m definitely rooting for Milwaukee.

by sanford_and_son on Sep 29, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

In terms of physical appearance, Yuni is aging very strangely.

In a decade he will strongly resemble the baby from that terrible Dinosaur sitcom.

Having to watch him every fucking day is not something I miss.
In spite of Yuni and his ‘playing of The Baseball’ I still say go Brew Crew.

by Big Jared on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woa woa woa.

Terrible? That show was awesome.

by Goose on Sep 30, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

You know what?

I didn’t realize how long ago this was. My tastes have changed just a bit since high school. I will give this show another audition with my grownup mind. Holy fuck I’m old!

by Big Jared on Sep 30, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Arthur Rhodes.

I understand that he was most memorable in failures, but he was worth 8+ WAR out of the pen for us in a little over 4 years. That’s pretty damn good, and he really solidified relief for the M’s. He was more valuable to the Mariners than JJ Putz.

"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps Twitter: @d_quazzo

by perfectstrat on Sep 29, 2011 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Totally agree - Arthur Rhodes was awesome

Looking at his couple high-profile failures sells Arthur Rhodes’ Mariners tenure way short. Dude was one of the very best lefty relievers in his time here. Also he was a badass.

by walkie on Sep 30, 2011 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I remember him and Jeff Nelson being amazingly nasty in that wondrous 162-win season.

by Spider Jerusalem on Oct 1, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think about the team we could put together with those former Mariners--it's almost a 25 man roster.

C: Torrealba
1B: Kotchman
2B: Guillen
SS: Rodriguez
3B: Beltre
LF: Ibanez
CF: Chavez
RF: Patterson

SP1: Lee
SP2: Garcia
SP3: Fister

CL: Putz
RHP: Soriano
LHP: Rhodes
Long: Pauley
Long: Lowe

by Kyleo84 on Sep 29, 2011 9:02 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Well I agree about the A-Rod part

A-Rod can be the DH and we could put one of Betancourt, Santiago, Bloomquist, Valdez, or Wilson there. (Man, lots of backup middle infielders.)

by Kyleo84 on Sep 30, 2011 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wilson Valdez can pitch.

If you need him in an emergency. And he fits the utility infielder spot.

by Alex Johnson on Sep 30, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee is the determining factor for me, followed by Roy Halladay, because

he pitched so long and well without complaining while stuck in Toronto. And of course I’d like to see Doug Fister do well. Great control plus intelligence can take you a long way.

ignacio

by ignacio on Sep 29, 2011 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

If you lived in Philadelphia, you'd have a different opinion.

Did you know Roy Halladay only got good when he joined the Phllies!? This is what I live with.

by dkulich on Sep 30, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow really?

I always got the impression Philies fans were obnoxious near- (or current0 felons who nevertheless kind of knew what they were talking about. Sort of like what you’d get if you somehow were able to teach Red Sox fans to read.

by J0SER on Sep 30, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am going to root for Doug and the Tigers.

Simply because I feel like Detroit needs something to feel positive about.

by The Cheese on Sep 29, 2011 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

The Lions?

"I know football doesn’t mean shit in the real world, but my life is small, petty and mean, and I live this tiny span, this sixty years of cognizant life if I’m lucky, pouring my time and energy and money into believing in the Seahawks. And right now, I see a logo, a decal, an identifying set of colors, that I suffer for the sake of someone else’s incompetence." - John Morgan

"His soul may belong to God, but his ass belongs to me." - Terrell Suggs, on sacking Ben Roethlisberger

by EequalsMc2 on Sep 29, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let this Beaver fan remind you:

There are two former Oregon State players in the playoffs: Mike Stutes for the Phillies and Joe Patterson for the Diamondbacks. Didn’t get the Red Sox with Madras’ Jacoby Ellsbury, Puyallup’s Jon Lester and Beaverton’s Jed Lowrie, or the Orioles with Ashland’s Jeremy Guthrie, the Indians with Grady Sizemore, the Blue Jays with Todd Snider or the White Sox with Brett Lillibridge. I always like to root for teams with strong Northwest roots, so go Phillies! Cliff Lee gets the win and Stutes the hold!

"There are only two geniouses in this world: Willie Mays and William Shakespeare." -- Tallulah Bankhead (presumably not related to Scott)

by extavernmouse on Sep 30, 2011 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

FISTER!

Go Tigers!
My Aussie Rules Football team is also the Tigers, but they suck. They should also be named the Mariners.
Go Detroit!

by Aussie Mariner on Sep 30, 2011 4:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm disappointed by your failure to use the JoeJessica nickname.

You pulled out Ramontiago, but no love for JoeJessica?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 30, 2011 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm rooting for the Rays.

Been rooting for them as my “well, the Mariners are out of the race and I need a good team to follow” team since before the 2k8 season. Anyone that keeps the BoSox or Yankees from making the playoffs makes me happy, as well.

M's fan newly relocated to SF My homepage

by lailaihei on Sep 30, 2011 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

My rooting interests, with 1 being who I want to win the most

1. Rays
2. Tigers
3. Diamondbacks
4. Brewers
5. Cardinals
6. Phillies
7. Yankees
8. Rangers

by Kyleo84 on Sep 30, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Still can't believe

that Rhodes, and especially Garcia, are still pitching.

But I guess Mike Jackson held on forever too.

by Paytheline on Sep 30, 2011 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Man, poor Jack Wilson.

And Erik Bedard to a lesser extent.

by jbrown13 on Oct 1, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

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