Ichiro the Asset
There are those who bitch about Ichiro Suzuki and his salary and have been for ever and ever. That the team shouldn't pay as much as they do for a singles hitter, or whatever their language of choice. We know that's a lame and incomplete argument. Here is a chart I put together that I think shows how wrong it has been to criticize Ichiro's salary.
I think the chart contains everything you need to know, but here are the definitions for the data. Value is the average Baseball-Reference and FanGraphs WAR for Ichiro, multiplied by my best guess for the free market cost per win. Cost comes from Cot's Contracts and adding up all the base salaries, signing bonuses and award incentives stated. Surplus (the black line) is cost subtracted from value. Since Ichiro was not subject to the same sort of cost control rules that normal MLB players are, the purple line represents my best effort to illustrate Ichiro's surplus value adjusted for him not developing through the minor leagues and thus affording the Mariners the first three years of absolute team control. The Mariners paid Ichiro roughly $20 million in his first three years.
The black line increases every single year until 2010 when it flat lined (Ichiro produced almost exactly his salary last season) and then has dropped steeply this season. That means that Ichiro with his on field performance alone, more than earned his keep every year from 2001-9. He matched it in 2010 but has been a "toxic asset," to borrow a phrase, this season. Even after this terrible year, Ichiro's cumulative net return for the Mariners is nearly $50 million and again that's on field only. I cannot quantify how much he's brought the team in merchandising, higher TV/radio fees, higher franchise valuation, higher gate receipts and so on but I'm pretty sure it's more than $0.
Granted, Ichiro's contract now looks bad. The first three years worked out though. This fourth one has turned it into a bit of a negative and with his high salary next year, will be difficult to overcome. Ichiro needs about a 5-WAR season in 2012 to break even on his 2008-12 contract assuming the market doesn't go bonkers this winter. That's not impossible since, Ichiro, but seems unlikely. Nevertheless, I feel and I believe this chart demonstrates, just how much goodwill (if you use accounting as a basis) Ichiro should have stored up (from the fans at least) from his previous less-gaudy paydays.
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There are still several hundred screaming Japanese girls that come to games.
They wouldn’t give a flying rat’s ass about baseball, let alone pay at least $20, if Ichiro wasn’t on the team. There’s probably been a couple thousand average over the years. Say, 2000, x $20 × 81 home games. That’s $3.24 million a year, and I’d say that’s an absolute bare minimum. Add concessions, peak years, the Japanese TV deal…yeah.
Can you do one of these charts for Figgins?!
by Eric Wedge's Mustache on Sep 22, 2011 9:39 AM PDT reply actions
Did the cost of the fee to Orix get pro-rated or was it not included?
The Mariners paid $13M in his posting fee and then $14M over the first 3 years in salary.
Supplemental explanation of the purple line:
Contrary to a normal player who would have been paid about $1M over his first three seasons, Ichiro was paid ~$20M. Ichiro was worth ~$45M on the open market leaving the Mariners with an actual profit of about $25M (the black line). BUT! If Ichiro had come up through the minors, the Mariners would have ended up with a profit of ~$44M. Because the Mariners lacked normal team control, they had to pay an extra $19M to Ichiro.
So the purple line is (roughly) the black line minus the $19M that the team did not save via club control.
Excellent look at this
Pretty much the exact way I would’ve done it, aside from the posting fee. (I would’ve included it, as it was money the M’s spent for his services).
It does beg the question: When does Sabremetrics attempt to quantify and include super-WAR contributions in player evaluation? I’m sure we would all agree that certain players contribute revenue above and beyond what they do on the field, but that contribution is rarely addressed in typical player evaluations. Ichiro has certainly been worth a lot to the Mariners on the field, but how much has he contributed just because he’s Ichiro?
by nathaniel dawson on Sep 22, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions
Things that will not get us into the playoffs
Hundreds of screaming Japanese girls. TV deal with Japan. Merchandise sales in Japan. The fact that we can lose so dependably but still make money in Japan is exactly why the ownership doesn’t care if we win or lose.
We could have 2+ Josh Hamiltons for the price of one Ichiro. And that fact that no other team in MLB would come close to paying Ichiro what we pay him ought to tell you that he’s not worth what we pay him. Ichiro was the first “star” player in my lifetime that this team has ever paid to keep, allowing us to be mostly a farm team for the rest of the majors. The second was Felix (I can’t recall any others). Ichiro is by far the highest paid player on the team, and there is no way you can build a contending team around him.
A fair measure of the investment would be dollar for dollar, not by player. For that, we could compare Ichiro’s value with the combined value of Hamilton, Napoli, and Nelson Cruz, whose combined salaries this year are about the same as Ichiro’s. I don’t have a chart generator for their numbers, but I can tell you that Texas was in the World Series last year and they’ll be in the playoffs next month.
I’d rather have power in right field than anything I suppose, but I’d take the endless rookie parade in the outfield, which costs nothing, and frees up roughly 21% of our payroll. Interestingly, USAToday says that Texas’ payroll is only 6 million higher than ours this year. Looks like they’re just a lot smarter with it.
Josh Hamilton is under team control still.
So comparing his salary, or Nelson Cruz’s (under team control) salary or Mike Napoli’s (under team control) salary to Ichiro is either intentionally misleading or ignorant.
The rest of your comment is also wrong.
by Matthew on Sep 23, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
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There’s a bigger point about managing money. Hamilton’s recent extension is still far less than what we pay Ichiro (next year H gets something like 13-14 million). Hamilton wants to stay in Texas and his next contract will likely be for less than what we pay Ichiro. And that’s just one guy on that team who is a far better player than the money pit that is Ichiro. We pay Ichiro more than the Yankees pay Derek Jeter, and our payroll is less than half of theirs. The list of players who get paid less than Ichiro is pretty comical, and since it’s all but 17 players, pretty long.
The real point is that our payroll isn’t all that much, and we waste over 1/5 of it on one player, a leadoff hitter, and if this strategy were going to work, it would have by now. He became the sole focus of this franchise due to extraneous nonsense and because of this, we have not been back to the playoffs since his first year with us. Want to fill the stands with more than just 200 screaming Japanese girls? WIN GAMES
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There’s a bigger point about managing money.
Which is all well and good, but you didn’t make it. Or you thought you did, but are wrong. Ichiro is a terrible example for mismanagement of money. He’s been worth his money, easily, until this season and still has been a value far in excess over his career.
Hamilton’s recent extension is still far less than what we pay Ichiro (next year H gets something like 13-14 million)Hamilton is, as I stated, under team control. If not for his contract, he would be subject to arbitration. Players do not get market value in arbitration. This has been covered many places, including here, many times. It renders any salary comparison between the two pointless. As I stated. By not mentioning that, I contend, again, that you are either ignorant of how team control works and its effects on salary or are drudging up anything you can to paint a picture against Ichiro.
Hamilton wants to stay in Texas and his next contract will likely be for less than what we pay Ichiro.That’s meaningless speculation and assumption.
And that’s just one guy on that team who is a far better player than the money pit that is Ichiro.Characterizing Ichiro as a money pit leads me to think that you have a bias or agenda and are not thinking rationally. Ichiro has failed to earn his salary once ever, this year, and no amount of not Ichiro this year would have mattered.
We pay Ichiro more than the Yankees pay Derek Jeter, and our payroll is less than half of theirs.Derek Jeter signed his contract last winter. Ichiro signed his over four years ago. That’s a dumb comparison in the first place and their salaries aren’t that much different in the second place. Want to bet that Ichiro makes more in 2013 than Jeter does?
The list of players who get paid less than Ichiro is pretty comical, and since it’s all but 17 players, pretty long.And pretty pointless in and of itself unless you want to look at the 2011 season only and ignore all context.
The real point is that our payroll isn’t all that muchThat’s a wrong point because the Mariners payroll is fine. It’s been above league average for years and years.
and we waste over 1/5 of it on one playerUntil 2011, it has never been wasted. As shown above.
a leadoff hitterDoesn’t matter and just leads me to believe that you’re a troglodyte who cannot think beyond roles and 30-year-old cliches about how baseball should be played.
and if this strategy were going to work, it would have by nowThe strategy, always, is to assemble as much value as you can. Ichiro has not been a problem. The problem has been the Richie Sexsons, Carlos Silvas, inept management and poor minor league development.
He became the sole focus of this franchise due to extraneous nonsenseAlso because he was really, really good
and because of this, we have not been back to the playoffs since his first year with us.Heavens no. This is wrong. See above.
Want to fill the stands with more than just 200 screaming Japanese girls?I double checked and no home game has been attended only by 200 Japanese girls, much less screaming ones.
WIN GAMESAgreed.
by Matthew on Sep 23, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
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Is there an easy way to chop up a post into half sentences and reply to them with half-thoughts? It looks like that took a lot of time.
Ichiro is not now nor was he ever worth 18 million a year (let alone 20). Great leadoff hitters can be had for less. To prove it, he is the highest paid leadoff hitter ever. Everyone here loves sabermetrics/moneyball/batting-average-is-nothing-it’s-all-about-BLAFFPIP, but the philosophies there aren’t based around paying Ichiro a ton of money to the detriment of the team, they’re based around finding better players for less money.
Everyone “has bias.” It is not a sin to “have bias.” What could my agenda possibly be? I want the team to win. I don’t think you understand these words. We all have the same agenda, we just think there are different ways to go about it. Calling Ichiro a money pit isn’t due to a sinister agenda; it’s due to the fact that we could get a suitable replacement for a lot less money, or make do with a much worse leadoff hitter and pay for more power throughout the lineup. I know power is an “old school” desire to have, but I have it.
Ichiro was the focus of the franchise because we’re owned by Nintendo, not because he was “really, really good.” Seriously, you know this, this isn’t mysterious or new information. If we weren’t owned by Nintendo, Ichiro would be somewhere else making less money.
I think what you can’t grasp is that Ichiro, while he has had “value,” is not worth what we signed him to in 2007, and that this hampers the team’s options when doing anything else. Figgins, Sexson, whoever were all other problems too, but just because Ichiro was good doesn’t mean he was worth what we signed him to.
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Ichiro has been worth $18 million. Several times. It’s shown above. It’s shown at baseball-reference. It’s shown on FanGraphs. It’s shown by anyone who has actual knowledge of baseball value.
What does it matter if Ichiro were the highest paid lead off hitter ever? Stop being obsessed with roles. And obviously salaries increase over time so it’s hardly a surprise that a current player is the highest paid whatever. And despite all that meaningless, you’re wrong again. Derek Jeter was primarily a lead off hitter for the Yankees last year and in 2009 while being paid a salary higher than Ichiro has ever been paid.
I’m done with you on this. You’re wrong about how to evaluate talent and you’re wrong about financial analysis. You speak in assumptions and debunked values and haven’t been open to being convinced by numbers or admitting when you’ve been demonstrably shown to state incorrect things.
by Matthew on Sep 23, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Great analysis Matthew, thank you.
I get sick of hearing a few biased people whining about Ichiro, and what he’s been paid.
They whine and attack by saying that Ichiro is getting more than Hamilton, etc. But fail to mention (and we know why) that the price of two Carlos Silvas or two Figgins, etc., was more than enough to buy you an Ichiro. And I know which one I would’ve rather have had.
If other signees had performed as well as Ichiro, or even somewhere close in terms of value and cost performance, the Mariners would have had much better success.

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