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A Good Sign for Mike Carp

We've heard alot about Mike Carp in the last month or so, and for good reason. His 367 wOBA in 206 plate appearences has been a legitimate contribution to a big league baseball team, and it's come after being written off by most (including myself) as a permanent AAA baseball player with no future as a Major leaguer. But what seems to be discussed more than his success, is the question of will he be able to continue any where near this level of production in the future.

The biggest thing we point to when suggesting that carp cannot continue to produce, would be Carp's walk rate. walking 6.8% of the time is worriesome when you strike out as much as Carp does. But let's talk about why walks are important. There are a few reasons. The first is obvious, the direct production of getting on base. there are 27 outs to play with in baseball and the most important offensive skill is not producing one of those outs, walking is a form of that skill. But what is perhaps more applicable to Carp's game specifically, is how walks affect production as a power hitter. We've seen time and time again, particularly in the 2011 Mariners season, that a hitter can have all the power in the world but if he doesn't have a decent plate approach, that power is unproductive (i.e. Carlos Peguero). Walks are vitale to Carp not so much for the production of getting on base, but to force pitchers to give him something that he can drive. Along with this new found production out of Mike Carp will come a different approach from opposing pitchers and Carp will see more pitches out of the zone. If and when pitchers approach Carp by pitching around him with pitches off the plate trying to get him to chase, the challenge for carp will obviously be to lay off these pitches and take a walk. And we cannot fully evaluate his ability to do that until pitchers start to pitch around him with more pitches out of the zone. In Thursday night's game, it happened.

After driving in runs late in 2 ball games vs. the Angels in the span of three nights, Carp found an opportunity to make it three, in the 8th inning of thursday night's game, facing his victim from the previous night, Scott Downs. However instead of getting pitches that he could drive like in his previous at bats, Carp saw this

75 mph curveball off the plate away: ball one

90 mph sinker off the plate away: ball two

75 mph curveball in the dirt (on a 2-0 count): ball three

89 mph sinker off the plate away: ball four

"There's some respect" said Blowers. with a one run lead and the bases empty, Scott Downs deliberately stayed away from Carp trying to get him to chase pitches out of the zone, and Carp did not.

For Carp, The strike outs are a problem, the .389 BABIP wont last, and as a result neither will his 300 average. But if Carp can show that he has the ability to lay off pitches out of the strike zone, as he did on thursday, and force pitchers to give him something to drive, he's got a legitimate shot to be a 25-30 Home run guy in the big leagues. Obviously a sample size of one at bat does not even come close to providing any type of conclusion and a 4 pitch walk isn't exactly a good indicator. But it does raise an example of a big test for Carp that we can watch for in the final month of this season. Does carp have the ability to take pitches out of the strike zone if and when pitchers choose to pitch around him? We've got a month to find out.

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I agree that this was a good (if unsubstantial) sign

I have a lot more faith in Mike Carp being able to lay off unhittable pitches than I did Peguero because we’ve seen him do it. He’s had significantly higher walk rates in the past. He obviously changed his approach to be more aggressive and generate more power and it has worked, but the ability to be selective that he has demonstrated in the past means there’s at least a good chance he’ll recognize what not to swing at.

His O-Swing and Z-Swing rates will be perhaps the greatest indicator of this going forward, even moreso than his walk rates.

I’m cautiously optimistic.

by dnc on Sep 2, 2011 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Carp generally has had about a 10% walk rate in the Minors

so I’d imagine it’s going to rise once he gets more comfortable taking those breaking balls. It’s only a few blips below that right now, anyway. BABIP regression, I agree, it’s going to hurt him for the remainder of the season. He’s been a guy in the Minors, though who has had real jumpy BABIPs over prolonged periods of times- .259 in 463 ABs in 2010, and as high as .355 in 566 ABs in 2008. Safeco is a big park, no? So, hopefully, going forward, it stabilizes around the higher side of .300 than the lower side.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 2, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

You'd expect that to dip some... but doesn't that fact that he has a line drive rate of 27.5% indicate some sustainability?

…since batted ball stabilizes so quickly and all. He really is making good, frequent contact.

I wouldn’t expect the BABIP to stay at .385, but maybe the line drive rate + his career BABIP = minor regression, instead of huge regression?

by HititHere on Sep 3, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last season

through basically an entire season at AAA, it was .259. I assume that he was the same hitter then that he is now. Personally, it’ll probably eventually normalize (I hope) on the higher side of .300, but there’s precedence of it ending on the lower side of .300.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 3, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely not. He was crushing the ball in AAA this year.

He obviously adapted somehow.

Also, his BABIP in full minor league seasons prior to 2010 was .218, .335, .285 and .337. So we don’t really know what 2010 means.

I’m just looking on the bright side and hoping there might be some sustainability built in to his batted ball stats.

by HititHere on Sep 3, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our beloved Rob Johnson has a BABIP of .265 on a similar line drive rate of 25.4% this season for the Padres

Hitting lots of line drives is good in general, but line drives can still find gloves. So claiming that Carp isn’t getting lucky just because of his LD rate is a little silly.

I’m certainly more bullish on him than I uesd to be, but I’m not entirely convinced that we’re seeing his true talent level right now either.

by Jeff Nye on Sep 4, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's better to look at batted ball profiles and compare their specific BABIP to ~league average.

Which show Carp being only a little (not hilariously lucky) and yes, show Rob Johnson as unlucky on his line drives, so yeah, if Rob Johnson could really run a 25.4% line drive rate for the season one could easily say that he should be doing better.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Sep 5, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This doesn't tell nearly the whole story though.

He’s running an unsustainable LD%, but his BABIP is probably close to what he deserves because of that line drive percentage. so the question becomes – when the LD% drops, does it turn into hard hit grounders and home runs, or does it turn into weakly hit grounders and pop fly outs. It’s the answer to that question that will show whether or not he’s a good hitter in the future, not whether or not he’s been lucky now – which he hasn’t.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Sep 3, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Why exactly is his LD% unsustainable?

Not that I agree or disagree, but this concept of sustainability seems to be the crux of your argument, yet you offer no reason to believe it should change.

by twelveoutof10 on Sep 5, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Without looking up the numbers, because I have yet to have coffee and numbers hurt my brain.

I am 90% sure that there has never been anyone in the history of baseball to hold a LD% of 30%, which is what Carp’s was by the end of August.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Sep 5, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

And even if there were someone who hit LDs at that rate, like Ted Williams for example, what are the odds that Mike Carp is the next Ted Williams? Pretty damned low, I’d say.

by JLC on Sep 5, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, you of all people should know not to quote BABIP like it tells the whole story.

If a player hit 100% line drives – no grounders, no pop flies – and he had a BABIP of .550, that player would be severely unlucky. Quoting his BABIP all willy nilly to show he’s been lucky is a bad use of statistics. Argue why his line drive percentage is unsustainable and what you expect to happen when it regresses, not that his BABIP is high and we should all assume that’s an acceptable answer to why he won’t be good anymore.

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by CapSea on Sep 3, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

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