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Mariners Play Spoiler By Losing To Rangers

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The ideal situation for a baseball fan, obviously, is that he watches his team remain in the race all season long, and qualify for the playoffs. That's what we're all hoping for every March and every April. The fact of the matter, though, is that the majority of teams miss out, and that a great number of teams drop out of the running by July or August, if not even sooner. Too many teams miss the playoffs for the playoff race to be the only thing in which we have interest. And so, we have backup interests. Things that keep us tuning in after the playoff ship has sailed. Those things are, in no particular order:

(1) Development of the team's young players
(2) Unpredictable occurrences of awesomeness and/or historical relevance
(3) Opportunity to influence the playoff race anyway

We're all familiar with the first two. We're all familiar with the third one, as well. You might recognize it as "playing spoiler." Teams that are out of the race can still play meaningful baseball, when they play against teams who are in the race.

Today, and this series, and the series before it - this has been meaningful baseball. Not because the Mariners matter, but because the teams the Mariners have been playing matter, which means the Mariners matter indirectly. How well the Mariners have played has had a direct effect on the final score, and the final score has had a direct effect on the playoff picture. The Angels are nipping at the Rangers' heels. They both need wins.

Now, all right - the Mariners, then, have been in position to play spoiler. They've been in position to knock a team back. All our lives, we've been taught that teams play spoiler by winning. That bad teams play spoiler by beating good teams who are still playing for something. But why should that be the case? In a situation like this, why is it only said that the Mariners are playing spoiler if they win? If the Mariners win, they hurt a contending team. If the Mariners lose, they hurt another contending team.

If a bad team plays a good team that's still fighting for something, then one way or another, the bad team's going to end up playing spoiler. It's either going to hurt the team it's playing, or it's going to hurt the team(s) competing with the team it's playing. Sure, the Mariners lost to the Rangers today. Sure, they blew a big lead and couldn't play spoiler in the traditional sense. But, the Angels beat the Yankees 6-4 earlier on. Bobby Abreu hit a tie-breaking two-run homer off Mariano Rivera in the ninth. That was a huge, dramatic win, and the Angels and their fans were hoping to narrow the gap. But they couldn't, because of the Mariners.

The Mariners still played spoiler, even if the players and coaches don't feel like they did. And given that I personally still like the Rangers more than I like the Angels, I'm not too broken up about it, either. All meaningful baseball is meaningful, regardless of the outcome, and the sooner you can bring yourself to realize that the spoiler role isn't quite what you've been told, the sooner you can enjoy these kinds of seasons a little more than you do.

Star-divide

A small collection of bullpen meltdown bullet holes:

  • It isn't fair to say that the course of this game was predictable, because saying that ignores the fact that the Mariners have actually won in Texas before, at least according to Baseball-Reference. (I personally don't remember any of those wins, but I also don't remember what I ate for breakfast.) But while this game wasn't predictable, I will say that, as the Rangers rallied and ultimately won, it felt in no way surprising. I never felt like the Mariners were secure; rather, I always felt like the Mariners were on the verge of letting the game slip away, which, in the end, it did. We've just seen Texas score too many runs in that ballpark for a small lead to hold up with unspectacular arms on the mound.

    For me, Hamilton's single barely even registered. By that point, the outcome was a foregone conclusion. Ian Kinsler's home run told me that the Rangers were probably going to win, and Yorvit Torrealba's double - after Nelson Cruz stole second despite being picked off - sealed it. I would've been legitimately shocked had the Mariners scored in the ninth and hung on. I didn't even entertain the idea.

    The whole thought process is irrational. I know that. I know about the Mariners' win expectancy when they had the lead. I made that chart and everything. But feelings feel the way they feel for a reason, and I can't deny them on the basis that they don't make statistical sense. I don't know exactly why I felt so skeptical, but I did, and, well, chalk one up to intuition, I guess.

  • The temperature at the time of the game's first pitch was 105 degrees. If I'm remembering Twitter correctly, that's tied for the highest temperature at the first pitch in Mariners history. A big storyline for this series, as is the case for every series in Texas around this time of year, is that it's so God damn hot. With that in mind, here's Root Sports voiceover guy:

    Mariners heat up Texas, tomorrow on Root Sports.

    First of all, I have no idea what this is actually trying to convey. This seems to be the opposite of "Mariners cool down Texas, tomorrow on Root Sports," implying that the Mariners are going to lose, which doesn't seem like a very Root Sports thing to say. Second of all, really? The Mariners are going to heat up Texas? Texas was already hot. Why would the Mariners think they can make Texas hot? Why would they want to make Texas hot? You know what sucks? Heat. Heat is the worst.

  • Endy Chavez hitting a home run off Michael Pineda is like...well it turns out it's almost exactly like Mark Lowe striking out Trayvon Robinson and Kyle Seager, which also happened. Great game.

  • I didn't pay a lot of attention to Yoshinori Tateyama when the Rangers signed him, just because, whatever, old Japanese reliever, but here's what Tateyama has done this season between triple-A and the Majors:

    53 innings
    8 walks
    60 strikeouts
    16 runs

    He's basically been a slightly worse version of the two awesome relievers for whom the Rangers just traded, and though he doesn't appear to get a ton of high leverage work, he probably deserves it. While I realize he couldn't throw his fastball through laundry on a clothesline, what matters are the results, and Tateyama's results have been outstanding.

  • Were this an important game for the Mariners, I'd be complaining about Eric Wedge using Jeff Gray and Aaron Laffey instead of Brandon League in the ninth inning of a tie game. As is, this was an unimportant game for the Mariners, so I will not complain about that. I will not complain about anything. Why complain? What is complaining going to solve? This is just baseball. It isn't something that really matters in life, like volcanoes. Be careful out there!

  • I swear I don't have anything against Adam Kennedy, I really don't, but God damn is it annoying when he's the one who comes up with a big hit. At this point in the season I want all of the Mariners' hits to come from players who might be around in 2012 and beyond. I'm planning to forget all about Adam Kennedy by November.

  • Dustin Ackley has four walks in his last four games. Miguel Olivo has three walks in his last 54 games.

  • As they say, this was a tale of two games for Michael Pineda. He allowed three runs and six baserunners in the first two innings. He allowed zero runs and one baserunner over his final four. Those final four innings also came with 69% strikes. Pineda blames the long layoff for his slow start, as he hadn't pitched since July 30th, and while I don't know if that's the whole reason, or if that's an acceptable reason if it is, I'd much rather he have a slow start and a strong finish than a strong start and a slow finish. The former implies that he's making adjustments, and I like the idea of Michael Pineda making successful adjustments.

    Pineda's probably going to get more long layoffs over the rest of the season. We'll see if he gets better about dealing with them.

Jason Vargas and Derek Holland tomorrow at the same time. Watch as the Mariners play spoiler!

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If you're not going to complain about Wedge's use of League...

Then I will. In the bottom of the 8th, with two outs and the Mariners up a run, Wedge could have brought in League for a save opportunity. The Mariners could have won that game, but Wedge didn’t bring in League. We all know what happened instead.

by grantruby on Aug 9, 2011 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Of course you don't know what the outcome would be

And your asinine skepticism aside, I think it’s fair to say that Brandon League has a better chance of closing the door than Jeff Gray or Aaron Laffey.

by twelveoutof10 on Aug 10, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

This subthread seems unnecessarily antagonistic.

I don’t know whether bringing League in would have mattered.

Neither does FaceRuiner.

Neither does Grantruby.

Neither do you.

Wedge has not made a habit of using League all season long for more than one inning’s worth of work for a save. Why would he start now? More importantly, why should he start now? Because we might win one more game in a season where winning one more game wont much matter?

As the season has gone on, I’m noticing in other places that there’s a growing sentiment to question Eric Wedge’s decision making. I don’t think this is anything special to Wedge. I think this happens to every manager. I’m just not sure what the reason is for the vitriol when we’re not going to make the postseason. Let the players play and decide if they can do it. They’re playing for next year, not this year. Let Gray show he can get that out. Or not. That would mean more than using League for maybe another win.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 10, 2011 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am in agreement with you as well.

It would have been a nice game for the rookies and other young players to look back on if they came out with a win. I’m not saying it would be a certainty, but the chances had to have seemed better with League. The mentality of losing has to change sometime…….right?

by WSU_Mariner on Aug 10, 2011 11:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

When I was a kid...

my mom would get this expression for the 10 minutes near the end of dinner. We always called it the “I don’t care stare.” However, now I realize that raising us 4 kids probably gave her a pretty serious case of PTSD.

by Henry Valz on Aug 10, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hell Ya!

Fuck the Angels!

by Drew_D on Aug 10, 2011 12:08 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Continuing with the list of reasons to watch M's baseball

(4) Cure for Acute Insomnia.
(5) New method of self-injury for sadists.
(6) To observe the rest of MLB’s AAA rosters by playing them on our team! (Saves money on scouting/MLB.tv)
(7) Patiently wait for M’s pitchers to finally flip out after losing 1-0 again.

by Henry Valz on Aug 10, 2011 12:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Shoot, should be masochists for #5

And #8 should be “Form of torture for sadists.”

by Henry Valz on Aug 10, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

When the Rangers weren't winning...

Which, let’s face it, has been for pretty much every year except for last year, I’ve always considered you folks a preferable alternative to either of those two bastard California teams. Maybe it’s because in the old days (as far as I’m concerned) you folks had guys like Griffey or Jay Buhner on the team and even in more recent times Ichiro and Larry Bernandez (best commercial ever). There’s a history of likeable players for your club that the other two teams in the division just don’t have.

I don’t know what your farm system is like, but I do wish you folks well, and that next year you folks won’t have a historically bad offensive season again. The world is a better place when the Angels and A’s lose.

by OhFudge on Aug 10, 2011 1:52 AM PDT reply actions   9 recs

While I agree, I'm starting to hate the Rangers.

But the more I think about it, the more I realize that I don’t hate the Rangers directly. I just hate your home ballpark. By extension, I hate how well your team takes advantage of it. When we go to Arlington I expect games like today’s to happen all the time. Since we’re built for pitching and defense catered to our own home park, journeys to Texas are like anti-matter to us.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 10, 2011 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this website makes for good Seattle ambassadorship.

I really dislike the Angels, kinda dislike the A’s, don’t dislike the M’s. That also is in line with the quality of writing on each team’s website. (In fact, this is the only non-Rangers site I’ve registered for.) I think those facts are related.

by OJsApprentice on Aug 10, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree.

I don’t comment much since I don’t want Mariner fans to get annoyed, but I read Jeff’s writing over here almost every day. I still tell my friends about his tweet from earlier in the year in reply to Root Sports. It went something like this.

Root Sports: Mariners drop this one 3-1. Tune in tomorrow.
Jeff: Why?

by dfwsports on Aug 10, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wedge is unimpressive

The only positive thing I can say is that he did manage to keep the clubhouse through a historic losing streak. OTOH without his poor line up and ingame decisions, he wouldn’t have had to.

by bookbook on Aug 10, 2011 7:41 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Great managers are rare

And many people even disagree on what makes one great (I’m not a particularly big fan of Lou, for example) and even the greatest don’t improve teams all that much… though the worst can certainly un-improve teams by a lot. Given the odds, the best you can hope for is one who doesn’t fuck things up. For the most part, Wedge hasn’t fucked things up. That could be called unimpressive, sure, but it’s actually better than average (over the history of the Mariners, at least). Until something obviously better arrives, or Wedge starts obviously fucking things up, there are bigger things to worry about.

by J0SER on Aug 10, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You had oatmeal, Jeffrey.

…with a little milk… and some walnuts… and half a banana.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 10, 2011 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Your Seattle Mariners: Indirectly Mattering Since 1977

Except for a couple of years where they actually, briefly, mattered.
And a bunch more where they totally didn’t, not even indirectly.

by J0SER on Aug 10, 2011 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

You're absolutely right

We can spoil another teams chances just as much if we lose than if we would win. If you like to look on the (somewhat perverted) bright side of things, it’s a win-win for us.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 10, 2011 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

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