Greg Halman Returned To Tacoma
Update: according to Ryan Divish, Trayvon Robinson is getting the call. It might seem hasty, but Robinson does have 100+ games of triple-A experience under his belt, and he's more ready than Halman is. While his playing time, I'd expect, will be limited, Zduriencik wants to give Guti a push, and one way to give him a push is to let a rookie eat into his action. Robinson won't just sit on the bench.
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Once upon a time, Greg Halman got off to a strong start. I don't mean in 2010. In 2010, Greg Halman went 4-for-29. But in 2011, Halman came up soon after recovering from an injury and collected 11 hits in his first 25 at bats. He was spraying line drives, he knocked a home run, and with Franklin Gutierrez struggling so bad, there were some calls to see Halman get more playing time.
Since Halman's 11th hit, he has batted 64 times in a month and a half. To show for those 64 plate appearances, he has nine hits, a homer, a walk, and 26 strikeouts. He whiffed three times yesterday despite starting against a lefty, and he's by and large just looked out of sorts for some time. So today, the Mariners have announced that they're demoting Halman back to Tacoma.
I don't think the Mariners really wanted to have Halman up that much in the first place. But they needed someone who could cover center with Gutierrez's uncertainty, and for a few reasons neither Ryan Langerhans nor Michael Saunders worked. So Halman stuck around for two months. The team just traded for Casper Wells, though, and Wells can do the job in the middle, so Halman's no longer needed. He can go back to the minors and play more regularly as he tries to fix the things he currently does wrong.
Who's coming up to take Halman's place? The team hasn't said yet. There are tons of possibilities, since the Mariners have 39 players on their 40-man roster. Wily Mo Pena, for example, could be the guy. But I think it's more likely that they select a roster player, and I think it's more likely that they select an outfielder, so then we're looking at Mike Wilson, Carlos Peguero or Trayvon Robinson. And of those three, Robinson's the best bet. He's had a ton of success in triple-A, and as a versatile switch-hitter, he'd give Wedge the most options.
I don't know who the Mariners will call up, but if it's Robinson, I won't be surprised. If it's Pena, I won't be surprised, either. In terms of excitement, it's kind of win/win.
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Wilson then.
Leave Robinson down there to get more work in. Wilson wouldn’t be losing any development time.
Robinson has 242 games above high-A. I really don't think it would hurt his development to get a taste of the bigs right now.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 4, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He still has flaws in his game.
That’s best served by coaching and playing everyday in Tacoma rather than playing two or three times a week in the Majors.
Then play him 5 times a week.
Not impossible. There are things that can only be learned at the major league level, and I’d actually like to get him out of the PCL, which may have adversely affected his hitting approach.
Sure, fine in that regard.
But who knows if that’s their actual plan? He’ll probably just end up with the same playing time as Halman, especially if he doesn’t hit well, which is what I’m against.
I think at this point in their careers, that is a good guess.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 4, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Carp at DH, Wells and Robinson splitting time in LF, with Robinson backing up Guit and Wells backing up Ichiro
It’s not hard to find playing time for them both without Halman, Cust, and Peguero.
Especially if you play Carp at 1B.
Any guess (uneducated, I'm sure) on playing time? I'd hope he'd get some consistent at bats, but it seems unlikely.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Jack would want him starting, I'd guess
I guess maybe if you give Ichiro, Smoak, Carp, Wells and Guti a day off every week, that’d allow Robinson to play 5 days a week somewhere in the field.
I won't put a number to it
but if it is Robinson, I’d expect him to play often but not every day. Jack wants to challenge the incumbents and Gutierrez is a guy he’d like to challenge, so Trayvon could really eat into his time.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 4, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That makes the most sense to me
Wells looks good enough in left but I imagine the downgrade from Guti to him in centre will be jarring to say the least. I’m under the impression that Robinson will be as good as Halman out there (someone please correct me if I’m wrong) so this seems like the best choice.
But goddammit I want to see some Wily Mo :(
Drayer tweets that it will be Cust.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Oops!
Read it wrong, RELEASE Jack Cust.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
For the record it could still easily be Wily Mo
Wily Mo has an opt-out clause in his contract if he isn’t up soon, and even though the situation has changed since he was signed, the M’s may still want to give him a quick look.
If Smoak's going to be out awhile then Wily Mo Pena makes sense with Carp covering 1st
and Pena DH. However, can Wily Mo hit RH pitching?
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I don't think Wily Mo makes sense yet for the reasons mentioned recently regarding Shawn Kelly.
He’s due to come off the 60 man DL soon. If they added Wily Mo and then had to deal with Kelly, they’d have to DFA someone else.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 4, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I have. But since I'm feeling overly prickly and sensitive towards idiotic questions:
No. Why?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 4, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Ne'er mind, don't answer that. I'm too annoyed to talk reasonably here right now.
I’ll just take a vacation and come back when I’m not feeling like the world pisses me off.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 4, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He hits lefties better overall with a pretty much average platoon split.
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This seems to be where teams find a lot of value in trading for "major league ready players" at the deadline instead of just 18 year olds with really high upside.
Less than a week after Fister and Bedard are gone we could have 3 guys ready to replace them on the roster. And if Ruffin is the PTBNL, he could be in Seattle shortly.
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Well isn't this exciting!
Sobriety ain't too bad...
"Hey Dad, what's that thing in the outfield? It's hurting my eyes!"
“That’s because its shiny son. Don’t look directly at the toolsy rookie outfielder.”
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 4, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't know who it is yet because obviously he will be OUR secret weapon.
by sofa_king on Aug 4, 2011 12:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
T-Rob?
No thanks. Done with that whole nickname scheme.
I don't think so?
Robinson was added to the 40-man at the end of last season, so by being in triple-A up until now, he’s burned an option year. By contrast, Blake Beavan had his contract purchased in the middle of the seasons and hasn’t been sent down yet, which means he hasn’t burned an option year.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Aug 4, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Damnit Jeff, this nearly made me choke
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An anagram of Trayvon Robinson is Trayvon Noon Ribs
11 minutes ago via TweetDeck
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by JY on Aug 4, 2011 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I think Robinson's response to that would also be an anagram.
Rant on, ivory snob.
by abender20 on Aug 4, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 23 recs
Incredible.
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by JY on Aug 4, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I was more impressed with these until
I found out the internet does it for you now.
Vibrant Noon Rosy
Bravo Ninny Torso
Vibrator Sonny On
Nanny Robot Visor
That sounds like something Ichiro would own.
No matter where you go, there you are.
by KC Mariner on Aug 4, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Expanding to Trayvon A. Robinson:
Innovator Baryons
Bony Torso Nirvana
Nonbinary Ovators
Ovator? Is that a word?
Sounds like a Comic book name, or something you’d make up while playing Scrabble.
by nathaniel dawson on Aug 4, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Anagram fun!
ban on ivory snort
Yo I snort n rob van
No where near as fun as Dustin Ackley’s “Lays Dike Cunt” but whatever.
Vin Baker randomly chimes in:
A non-story, bro. —Vin
Here's to you Mrs Noon Ribs
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I rather it have been Wily Mo brought up to DH while Carp plays first so Smoak can heal.
We have a new pile in the outfield, and right now I’d rather have people get regular playing time.
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
Why can't Ichrio, Wells, and Robinson share time at DH
With Carp playing first until Smoak recovers.
I want Wells and Robinson getting regular playing time. Bringing Wily Mo up will only add to the pile.
I'd rather have Robinson playing every day in AAA and see what Wily Mo can contribute then the other way around.
We are probably going to bring Robinson up in September anyway, so might as well see what Pena can do in the mean time. And Ichiro at DH doesn’t appeal to me like it used to.
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
by JAH on Aug 4, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Now that we have Wells, Robinson makes more sense than Halman as a 4th outfielder.
And Pena would just reduce Carp’s playing time.
Yeah, but that was already the case with Halman.
We can have:
Wells, Guti, Ichiro + Halman
Wells, Guti, Ichiro + Robinson
Wells, Guti, Ichiro + Carp
Halman isn’t any use against righties and with Carp, Wells would have to play center and you loose a backup 1B. With Robinson you have platoon flexibility and maintain defense. Between Guti, Smoak and Ichiro getting more rest days Robinson could get more playing time than Halman would.
Wily Mo has 577 MLB Games and 1771 Plate Appearances. I think what he can do is prety well known.
At this point it’s all about Wedge and staff getting time with everyone who has a realistic shot at breaking Spring Training with the team next year. Wily Mo will probably get a turn too, but at 29 he’s not as much a part of the future as Robinson, Wells, etc.
If Guti could consistently become 2009 Guti again, I'd want him around a long, long time
If he’s not going to do anything useful at the plate, I’d rather move on sooner than later.
2009 Guti was a 6 WAR player.
Of course we would want him if that happens. That Guti was a league average hitter, but he doesn’t even need to do that to be a useful player.
Trying to understand all the "I want to see what Pena can do" comments...
He can DH and strike out a lot, while occasionally hitting a dinger, because he overswings.
He’s a slightly better. Peguero, no mystery there. We’ve all seen exactly what he can and cannot do, he’s not an unknown commodity…there’s. plenty of of statistics, and footage of him to look on him.
Besides, we have a DH who is hitting, why take time from Carp, when he’s hitting ?
Wasn’t everyone whining about Carp being sent down instead of Peguero? With good reason I might add.
Didn’t everyone want to see him play everyday, to see what he can do? Also it seems with good reason, he’s actually HITTING.
I’m not getting the Pena thing…not at all.
I want to see what Robinson can do!
Not just because he’s a shiny new toy, but because he’s a legit 5 tool guy with upside, who unlike Pena, can play defense, and has a future here. I’ve seen Pena, wasn’t impressed.
Legit player with upside who can play all three OF positions > gimmicky player with no defense who strikes out a lot.
From basically every possible way of looking at it, (unless you really think something about his AAA stats are misleading), Robinson makes infinitely more sense to call up.
He’s had enough time in the minors, and I’m not convinced more time in the PCL would even help him more than hurt him the way that league is right now.
by fargomonkey on Aug 4, 2011 9:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
4-tool guy, if you go by reports that he doesn't have much of an arm
But otherwise, I’d agree with the rest of your post, excluding some of the odd use of grammar.
I’m pretty sure the Mariner’s see it the same way you do. They’ve seen what Pena can do, and right now he’s just filler, a guy who can provide some depth and who they can turn to if the situation calls for it. He’s not someone they look at as a possible piece for their future, and younger, more promising players are going to have priority.
by nathaniel dawson on Aug 5, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions

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