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Ichiro And The Eye Test

It's possible, I think, to take some solace in Ichiro's numbers.

Not the surface numbers. Obviously not the surface numbers. The surface numbers are the whole problem. Ichiro has the same batting average as Adam Lind. He has the same on-base percentage as Lyle Overbay. He has the same slugging percentage as Jordan Schafer. Throw in defense and baserunning and it all adds up to...well WAR isn't a surface number, but according to Fangraphs, Ichiro presently has the same WAR as Eduardo Nunez and Aaron Hill.

So, no, there's no taking solace in Ichiro's surface numbers. But if you dig a little deeper, if you look at the numbers behind the numbers, you might be a little encouraged.

Ichiro, right now, has a groundball rate of 59%. That's above his career average of 56%, but it's below where he was in 2004, when he set the single-season hits record.

Ichiro, right now, has a contact rate of 91%. That's a little above his career average, and equivalent to what he did in 2004 and 2008.

Ichiro, right now, has an unintentional walk rate of 4.1%. That is right on his career average.

Ichiro, right now, has a strikeout rate of 8.3%. That is below his career average of 9.2%, and his best mark since 2004.

Ichiro, right now, has a pull rate of 18%. That is just a hair below his career average of 19%.

And Ichiro, right now, has a batting average on balls in play of .286. That is way below his career average of .352, and it's his lowest mark by 30 points. Last year, he finished at .353.

If you limit your understanding of Ichiro to what it says on his FanGraphs and Baseball-References pages, you come away thinking that he's just mired in an unsustainable slump. A slump fueled by an inexplicably low BABIP that's due to rise. Sure, the slump has lasted a while, but we've seen them last longer. There was Nick Swisher's 2008. David Ortiz's 2009. Aramis Ramirez's 2010. Strictly statistically, Ichiro's BABIP looks absurd given his history and the fact that his speed appears intact, and one would expect his numbers to improve considerably, even if his power's a little down.

That's great. That is exactly the way I would analyze a player on another team. If Ichiro played on another team, I would look at his numbers for a few minutes and conclude that, yeah, he's probably going to be a lot better beginning any day now. Sure, he's 37 years old, but he was fine at 36 and fine at 35, so age would be but a minor consideration.

But Ichiro doesn't play on another team. He never has. He's always played for the Mariners, and because he plays for the Mariners, we've been able to watch him almost every night. That gives us additional information - observational information. Visual information that, at least in theory, we can use to supplement his numbers.

And I think the thing about 2011 Ichiro is that, to the human eye, he's just looked so bad. The confidence that used to be there is gone. We've seen a lot of lousy swings. We've seen a lot of lousy grounders. We've seen a lot of lousy pop-ups. What we haven't seen is the old Ichiro magic. There have been flashes, certainly - in April, and immediately after the one-game benching - but more recently those occasional flashes have only served to remind us of what has not been consistently there.

Ichiro hasn't driven the ball. He hasn't hit his sharp grounders. We've seen a few power swings, but they haven't actually done much. In short, Ichiro hasn't looked like Ichiro. He's looked like a pretty bad hitter. He hasn't even looked great in the field, which doesn't help anything. In the field, he's looked slower.

That's something that doesn't come across in the statistics. The stats paint the picture of a guy who's hitting the ball and running more or less like usual, only hitting into more outs. Nothing about Ichiro seems usual to the eye.

Given that, the temptation is to shift Ichiro's future projections down a level or two. Because he's looked so bad, we have less confidence that he'll rebound than we would if we just pulled up his player page instead. We want to use the visual information to supplement the statistical information, and the visual information is discouraging.

So here's the big question, or I guess the big questions: is the visual information, or at least our interpretation of the visual information, actually accurate? Is it worthwhile? Is it objective? Is it possible that we're too close? Do we believe too much in our eyes and too little in the numbers? Is this just what an unsustainable BABIP slump looks like while it's happening?

I don't have the answers, to any of those. There are times when it helps to be a fan, and times when it does just the opposite. I don't know how the Ichiro situation is going to work out. My eyes tell me to be pessimistic, but I don't know if I can trust them. The numbers are better. I want to trust the numbers instead.

I guess nothing that happens from here on out would come as a surprise. If it turns out that Ichiro's finished as a contributing player, it'll be sad, but the decline was inevitable. If it turns out that Ichiro goes mostly back to normal for a while, then this is a blip, and Ichiro's just Ichiro. And if it turns out that Ichiro starts batting .380 and/or mashing 40 home runs a season, we'll all look back on this summer as being the summer we doubted a tried-and-true wizard like a bunch of God damned idiots.

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I hope.

40 homers next year would be nice.

A void? I see no void!

by gunsbound on Aug 18, 2011 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that without...

9/11 the M’s win the series in 2001 and without the quake/nuclear problem Ichiro gets his typicall 200 hits in 2011.

by v-Skippy on Aug 19, 2011 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with how hard this kind of thing is to evaluate...

But one thing stands out to me: If Ichiro were simply in a BABIP-induced slump, we wouldn’t see any evidence of it in his defensive numbers or play. Yet it does look/feel like he’s lost a little something out there in the Outfield. His “magic”, as you refer to it. Maybe not a whole step lost, but a half-step; or a little bit of his old jump. Its not that Ichiro has looked bad to me; he’s just looked human. And for a guy that seems to depend on speed and super-human hand-eye coordination and control, I feel like my eyes are more trustworthy than the numbers. But I do hope I’m wrong!!

by NWade on Aug 18, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I find myself wondering if it's his reaction time that's slowing

In a stealing situation, one has a bit more control on when to make the leap: fewer things to pay attention to than an AB, and a closer look at an opponent’s body movements than you get on a ball hit a few hundred feet away. It’d be interesting to know how quickly he’s getting out of the batter’s box, or how quickly he starts to run in the outfield after contact, this year compared to previous years.

by groovewrangler on Aug 18, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I have just the thing for you!

HitF/X. And FieldF/X.

Unfortunately, they don’t look like they’re going to be available to the general public, so you’ll just have to obtain a job with a Major League team or a big time stat-compiling service to get that kind of stuff. When you do, throw us a bone by leaking some information to us once in a while, and we’ll get by on the scraps.

(not busting your chops, just annoyed that this stuff won’t be freely available.)

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, he's also a smart runner. Making better decisions would also improve his steal numbers.

It’s one of the reasons I don’t like speed score as a way of confirming a player’s speed, only verifying a decline. “Percentage of runs scored” is one part, which is kind of hilarious since our team couldn’t hit Ichiro in at all over the last few years, but also highly variable based on the people behind him.

If (and this is such a huge if that I have to emphasize I’m not arguing this to be true) you improve Ichiro’s speed score in 2010 and 2009 because of the abysmal lineup behind him, then decrease his speed score this year because he’s stealing smarter (not faster) and has a slightly better lineup behind him, and suddenly he’d look like a slower player.

I’m not arguing that, but I don’t know – I like that his steals are still up and his speed score is still about his career average, but I’m a little bit skeptical about using those to verify his overall speed.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Aug 18, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

It explained some things about speed score that might be helpful

I’d never heard of it. Is it useful for anything? The way you explain it, it sounds like the RBI version of base running ability

by Kermit. on Aug 19, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's helpful. But whether it's definitive of anything I have no idea.

Still, comparing Ichiro’s speed score year to year could conceivably be wrong.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Aug 19, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

There have definitely been games where Ichiro has appeared to not field a fly ball well.

But there have also been several plays where Ichiro has run down balls in the gap where he was very much like “old Ichiro.”

I can’t help but wonder how much of his batting problems he takes with him mentally to the field. Normally I would scoff at such a suggestion because he always appears to play virtually without emotion. However, he has gone to the media and called this season his most mentally difficult, so perhaps?

Without inner knowledge of Ichiro, none of us can say completely… and that’s what makes it so frustrating.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Aug 18, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Confirmation Bias

Although I’m not a Mariners fan and have only seen them play a couple times this year, I think it’s quite possible that the “visual information” is really just confirmation bias. You see his bad numbers and as a result, you interpret what you’ve seen in a biased way by only remembering the weakly hit balls in play.

Interesting piece, though. There’s still a lot of research needed to qualitatively evaluate different hit types.

by chriti04 on Aug 18, 2011 5:50 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

What I really want

is for Ichiro to reach 100 career HR. He’s at 92 right now.

by mamaxmax on Aug 18, 2011 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I had this conversation with Kirk some time last year.

I agree with you completely that he’s looked terrible (much like Chone Figgins last year when people were saying he was unlucky but everything looked like he was worse), and I think he’s probably in a massive decline. I personally have a hard time seeing him get better.

But one thing I’ve come to realize too is that slap hitters always look awful, and it’s easy to forget the awfulness when they aren’t getting on base. Every time Ichiro has ever been in a slump over the past 10 years he’s looked like the worst player in baseball. So I do think slap hitters have something inherently going against them when it comes to the eye test. It’s why Chone Figgins has been not just bad, but also painful to watch in recent years.

So it’s hard to say. Slap hitters always look bad, and it’s the hits that make them look less bad, so if he’s slumping and not getting hits it seems like there is no way for him to not look “done.” Every slump he looks done, because slumping slap hitters are the ugliest hitters on the planet. But yeah, these have looked like some seriously weak hits for a player that was already known for weak hits, and these days even when he hits the ball he looks like he was fooled.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Aug 18, 2011 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Hit F/X is honestly the best way to solve this

someday we’ll know for sure whether or not Ichiro is hitting the ball worse than in previous years

by seattlebruin on Aug 18, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's exactly my position.

Perusing his batted ball profile leads nothing, but it feels like he’s making tons of weak contact. I’m not sure if he’s always been like that, but visually it’s extremely unappealling. We need to look at the speed coming off his bat to make any real progress in this front. Or perhaps looking at his Texas Leaguers page. I’ll take a look now.

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by perfectstrat on Aug 18, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's funny, I've always thought he's looked bad, even when he was going good.

He’s always swung at bad pitches, hit lots of foul balls, pop-ups or weak grounders, with the occasional hard hit gapper or grounder. Being able to make contact so frequently, combined with his speed, that’s resulted in 199 or so hits a year. At the plate, he hasn’t looked too much different to me, other than maybe he isn’t hitting the ball as hard quite as often as he did in the past.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

:(

That is all.

Fuck the Angels

by InSpokane on Aug 18, 2011 6:50 PM PDT reply actions  

How many infield singles does he have this year...

So how do his infield hit numbers, total and percentage, stack up against previous years? How many force outs at second has he hit into? How many times has he been thrown out by an infielder or on unassisted plays by the first baseman? I’d be surprised if his infield hit numbers are up to par with previous years.

It seems to me the opposing infielders are playing deeper for him this year and are still able to throw him out. If so it’s because he’s slower and other teams know it, because you can bet someone timed him several times to find out.

by RedMuleOnline on Aug 18, 2011 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Currently 29 infield hits

On pace for 39, or one per 19 PA. Has averaged one per 17 for his career. Finished with 34 infield hits in 2003, and 31 in 2005.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 18, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 hits for the year off his career average

That’s nothing. Well, it’s something, but doesn’t amount to a whole lot, or tell us what it’s due to. By the eye, he doesn’t look like he’s beating out as many hits as he used to, or making it as difficult for infielders to throw him out, but my eye may not be reliable enough for something like that.

What about reaching base on error? That changes nothing about his batting average or OBP, but it does make a difference to an offense.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

But this needs to be a percentage of balls hit in the infield.

If he is, in fact, making weaker contact, then more of his hits would remain in the infield. If he were also a bit slower in getting to first base then these two might balance out. More infiend grounders at a lower percentage for legging them out could resultin similar ‘infield hit’ totals as past years.

by Snuffleupagus on Aug 19, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could you possibly give us more information in a post than this one?

Holy Spicoli, you covered a lot of ground in this one, and well.

Luck, chance, random occurrence, whatever you want to call it, has a lot to do with the numbers we see on a stat page. It can often mask changes in a players ability, or make us think there is real change when in reality there is very little. Love your take on this.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you

I’ve been ruminating about Ichiro a lot this season and considered starting a fanpost, but never got around to doing it. Hooray for off days!

by JLC on Aug 18, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or maybe...

he’s just not hitting the ball as hard.

by Dave Paisley on Aug 18, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly

he didn’t hit the ball as hard as his normal in 2004, that kind of worked out for him. If he’s actually lost some speed, then that could be why it isn’t working out for him this time, but it wouldn’t necessarily mean he’s done. Just mean, he’s having another 2004 year as far as hitting, but without the speed.

Has anyone timed Ichiro to first, in terms of his average time from year to year? Would be interesting to see if he’s actually slower.

by TIFO on Aug 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless the line drives are being miscategorized or they're all "soft liners" that stay in the air for an abnormally long time

that does not explain the drop in BABIP, only the drop in power. And while Ichiro’s BABIP on fly balls is below his career BABIP on flies, there’s not a huge difference (.111 in 2011 vs. .140 career, according to Fangraphs). The high pop-up rate likely skews that .111 BABIP, as well. If we look at PitchF/X data, which does differ slightly from Fangraphs batted ball data, we see that Ichiro’s BABIP on outfield flyballs in 2011 is .167. Using the same source of data, Ichiro’s OFB BABIP:

in 2008: .171
in 2009: .155
in 2010: .229(!)
in 2011: .167

So it’s not like Ichiro’s outfield flyballs aren’t going for hits. When he hits the ball in the air and gets it past the infield, he’s been pretty much in line with the previous 3 years.

Not hitting the ball as hard also does not explain the lack of infield hits. If anything, hitting the ball weaker should result in more infield hits, since it would take the infielders a longer time to reach and field the ball. You might argue that harder hit groundballs can find their way through the infield, or force the infielders to make difficult plays, but then that also becomes a matter of placement, and placement invokes random variance.

Casey Kotchman is a perfect example. Kotchman’s career BABIP on grounders is .194. This season? .264. And it’s not like Kotchman is hitting for more power. His .134 ISO isn’t far from his career average, his HR/FB isn’t much higher than his career average, and his GB%, LD%, and FB% are all in line with career norms.

Really, Kotchman is a perfect example of a guy with recent and large BABIP fluctuation. Kotchman’s BABIP on LDs when he was with the Mariners last year? .508. This season? .855. This sort of crazy shit happens sometimes.

by JLC on Aug 18, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

The possibility exists that his eyesight is starting to fail somewhat.

He is at the age where eyes generally start to decline and that would account for playing balls worse in the field and making worse contact while hitting. To me it’s looked like he just hasn’t seen the ball well all year. Maybe there’s some Lasik in his future.

by Smegmalicious on Aug 18, 2011 8:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Can I get that?

I’m just like Ichiro, performance starts becoming an issue as you get older.

by nathaniel dawson on Aug 18, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I would think

How incredible would it be if we got a brand new Ichiro for, like, seven more years just by fixing his eyes?
“Oh yeah 2011 was the year I couldn’t even see but I still put up almost league average numbers”
“…badass, dude.”

Ready to Play

by tsunamijesus on Aug 18, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Casey Kotchman!

Does this mean when he gets lasik, that he’ll start hitting 100 pts higher than his career BABIP (so like ~0.450)?

by MangoLiger on Aug 18, 2011 10:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually thought that's what this post would be about when I read the title :-)

Heck, I’m only 28 and my vision has slipped from 20-15 to 20-25 in the last 8 years. Maybe some contacts are in Ichiro’s future.

by TIFO on Aug 18, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am an optometrist.

And can safely say this is probably not the case at all. Your eyesight changes the most during your teenage years, during growth spurts. Unless we think Ichiro grew a couple inches, I can safely say his refractive error (which I’ve heard has always been poor but he chooses not to correct it) hasn’t changed. Unless he has been a latent hyperope (or farsighted, where the natural lens corrects for error), this isn’t the case. A huge majority of Asians are myopes (nearsighted) so this probably isn’t the case.

The change in vision that occur to all of us around 40 is called presbyopia, where the natural lens no longer accompdates and it is hard to focus on a near target.

LASIK can not treat presbyopia, and if Ichiro is truly a myope, it will make it worse. From my professional opinion, I doubt Ichiro’s vision has changed in any way that would make it harder for him to play baseball, or in any way the LASIK will help.

by dkulich on Aug 19, 2011 6:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   4 recs

One thing that I don't think has really been mentioned in talking about Ichiro's performance this year is what happened in Japan.

I don’t believe it can entirely be blamed for what is happening to his game, but imagine your entire home country being devastated by a natural disaster. That HAS to take some focus off of other areas in your life and depending on what happened to his actual family and friends (as far as I know he’s never talked about whether there was or wasn’t any personal loss to the media) that isn’t necessarily something that can be overcome quickly. Even for someone as professional and stoic as Ichiro.

If this year is the perfect storm of some age related issues (speed, eyesight), bad luck, and personal turmoil that could reflect in the sudden decline we’ve seen from him.

Unfortunately we can’t know how’s he’s dealing with his home, but I hope that there is someone on the team or in his life he is confiding in.

by BaronVonBullshit on Aug 18, 2011 9:47 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Going strictly by eye....

It seems like Ichiro’s contact is just less solid than usual. As JLC pointed out above his BABIP is way down on groundballs. He typically smokes plenty of grounders right through the infield. This year they’re getting caught and I don’t think it’s luck. They are getting caught because they are moving more slowly. Video!

It also seems like the opposition knows it. Leftfielders are playing him at an even shorter little league depth and centerfielders are playing him at high school softball depth. This is taking away his magic wand doinks and so far he hasn’t made anyone pay for playing him so shallow.
And yes, he probably isn’t quite as fast as he once was but he can still-as Joe Morgan would say-run well.

I love Ichiro and hope he gets well.

by Big Jared on Aug 18, 2011 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Positioning is one of my biggest guesses as well

It could be that, in addition to everything else mentioned, there’s also defenses finally learning how to position themselves against him. Ichiro just hasn’t figured out how to adapt to that as well as he might have in previous years.

by Chris_FB on Aug 19, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember a segment that Shannon Drayer did on the radio before the season started.

She said that she’d heard from Ichiro that he hadn’t hit much during the off-season because he was trying to figure out golf. Something about how he didn’t like golf because he found it tough to hit a ball that wasn’t moving. Struck me as odd. Wonder how much truth there was to that and if true, whether that’s had any effect on his hitting this year.

by DaCheez on Aug 18, 2011 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Drayer later said that Ichiro was having fun with the Japanese reporter

and the humor was lost in translation. She said he actually had his normal routine in the off season this year.

by TIFO on Aug 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love Ichiro so much I don't want to watch him have another year like this.

If this is the end, I wish he would retire a year early or finish with a good year in Japan, with some pride. Rather then ending his time like so many greats in baseball, a shell of the legend he once was.

by mark sobba on Aug 18, 2011 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I like it when guys who can play, play

I agree with you that often greats end their careers as this frustrating shadow of their former self, but I feel like that is often the situation around them forcing them into that position.

I find it weird that a 40 year old formersuper star should be expected to quit a baseball if he can still play just as well as a 28 year old journeyman, just because he can’t play as well as he did at his prime.

Unfortunately fans, contracts and often egos make this an issue.

I actually really enjoyed the end of Ricky Henderson’s career, as an example. He just kept playing baseball for as long as he could play baseball.

by Snuffleupagus on Aug 19, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok so from what I can glean from this thread

Ichiro is either

1.) Losing his eyesight
2.) Depressed about Japan
3.) In a bad BABIP induced bad luck slump
4.) Physically Weaker
5.) Playing too much golf
6.) Not hitting enough in the offseason
7.) Tanking this year in order to win Comeback player of the year

Now, Guys, these are all great theories, but I think the point is, we have no idea, just like Jeff said, It could be he’s weaker, it could be a big slump, the guys been around for over 10 years, maybe a large slump is just a random occurance, and because he’s slumping are confirmation biases are going haywire. Truth is, I doubt we’ll really know anything until next year, and even then, we won’t know anything substantial, unless ichiro is at the mendoza line by next years all star break.

by Sambearpig on Aug 19, 2011 1:34 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It's possible some of that BABIP reduction isn't luck.

Not all groundballs are the same, and I feel like I’ve seen weaker ones than usual. That might just be bias though

by Shmelix Shmernandez on Aug 19, 2011 1:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm not sad about Ichiro's year.

2011 is really helping me appreciate what a spectacular, unique run he had for his first ten years in the league. Watching him dink his way to 180ish hits and a 77 OPS+ has been less than fun, but I now have a greater appreciation for what he’s accomplished in his career as a whole.
Still, his numbers this year… ew. If those show up again next season, the conversation figures to be way different. And that would be sad.

by fiftyone on Aug 19, 2011 1:44 AM PDT reply actions  

The BABIP shows all is not lost.

Where he seems to be losing it isn’t speed but the ability to drive the ball through gaps and over the infield with power. I think it was Jeff that had some statistical analysis that showed he wasn’t turning on the inside pitch with authority earlier in the year and posted in on ESPN 710. The lack of ability to drive the ball allows infielders to cheat in a step and that takes away the infield hits. I suspect there may be a conditioning/preparation problem here. He probably did what he does every off-season instead of upping it up a notch to compensate for aging. He even took up golf in the off-season last winter. I fully expect him to regain his warrior approach this winter and if it doesn’t pay dividends I think he’ll either come back here to Japan or give it up. He certainly needs to make some adjustments.

by japanjohnny on Aug 19, 2011 5:01 AM PDT reply actions  

There is nothing positive that can ever come out of "just putting the ball in play."

His contact rate and strikeout rate do not please me because there is the eye test. If you swing not to strike out or to simply to make contact, most of the balls you hit will be rolled over and become easy groundballs to the second baseman or shortstop.

A few years ago, when Ichiro was hitting as many ground balls, those were driven ground balls with backspin. He’s actually hitting a different kind of groundball now.

by skwid206 on Aug 19, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

You're missing my point.

Or didn’t read past my headline. “Just” putting the ball in leads to rollovers and easy groundouts, and is very different than putting the ball in play hard or with a purpose. Ichiro has been doing the former thoughout most of the this season.

Nobody will ever score any runs with weak groundouts.

by skwid206 on Aug 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jack Cust disagrees

Of course, he also doesn’t have a job anymore so we probably shouldn’t listen to him.

by EA on Aug 19, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has anything changed about his swing?

If his contact rate and selectivity are in line with league averages, as JLC points out, is there something mechanically he’s doing differently this year that leads to more groundball outs? If I recall correctly, his swing & approach are a bit eccentric and hard to coach to begin with, so perhaps it’s hard to analyze.

by Chris_FB on Aug 19, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Occam's Razor says power shortage

BB% and K% are normal. Baserunning is as effective as ever. But slugging and isolated power numbers are at historical lows. Everyone was expecting Ichiro to move from a speed game to a power game as he aged, but it would appear that the speed lingers while the power (such as it was) is what drops. And actually, we shouldn’t be surprised if this is the case.

Our eyes see fewer hard hit balls, and the stats back that up.

by Mr.Phelps on Aug 19, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

To my eyes, Ichiro has looked bad.

HOWEVER, he’s also looked unlucky. I’ve watched more of his bloopers get robbed than I’m used to, more of his hard hit fly balls and line drives get caught on great plays and more of his groundballs get scooped up just in time to throw him out by a half step.

I think Ichiro is declining with the bat, but I don’t think he’s declined as much as it looks like he’s declined. As for his play in the field, he hasn’t looked very confident and it looks like he’s having trouble with a lot more plays. But, it could be a confidence issue.

I just hope that Ichiro is Ichiro next year; even if he only bats .300 with 200 hits, 5 home runs, 30 steals and a .340 OBP, along with playing replacement level defense in the field with the occasional great play, I’ll be very pleased.

"Perhaps the worst comment I've ever seen on LL." - sanford_and_son.

by Ride the Apocalypse on Aug 19, 2011 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

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