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Welcome/Save Us, Kyle Seager

Update: there's talk that Seager may only be getting a brief trial, and that he could return to Tacoma before long if he doesn't impress out of the gate. This roster situation is so complicated. So many moving parts, so few of them good.

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As you've most certainly heard by now, and as is all over Twitter and probably our comments, the Mariners have responded to today's shutout by making a move, promoting infielder Kyle Seager from Tacoma and designating catcher Jose Yepez for assignment.

Yepez, who was a player on this team, is going away without having made an appearance, now that Miguel Olivo is healthy and the team no longer needs three catchers. I do think it's a bummer that Yepez didn't get in once just for the life experience of it all, but it's not like the M's encountered a bunch of situations where playing Yepez would've made sense, and at least he made it this far. He made a little money and he got to share a clubhouse with some really good players. He will presumably clear waivers and return to Tacoma, although a big part of me is hoping the Padres snap him up to replace Rob Johnson.

And so, Seager. Here's what Seager did in AAA:

  • Played in 12 games

That's it. Seager spent the entire 2010 season with advanced-A High Desert. This year, he played 66 games with AA Jackson and 12 games with AAA Tacoma, and now he's coming to the Majors. He has even less high minors experience than Justin Smoak.

But if you look at what he did in the high minors, it makes sense. Seager was 25-for-55 with Tacoma. Between Jackson and Tacoma overall, he batted .336/.401/.495 with 31 walks and 44 strikeouts. He is not a top prospect and he'll probably never make an All-Star Game, but he hits with an idea, and given what the Mariners have been getting out of so many slots in their lineup, Seager is deserving of the opportunity to show what he can do.

The 23-year-old lefty has primarily been a second baseman, but lately he's been playing a lot of third, and it stands to reason that's where he'll be playing as a Mariner. He isn't known for his defense, in a good way or a bad way. He's known more for his polish at the plate. He was teammates with Dustin Ackley at North Carolina, and while his approach obviously doesn't measure up to Ackley's, he still has a good one. He doesn't get himself out too much, and he hits the ball both often and hard. You shouldn't expect him to hit a bunch of dingers, now or down the road, but "Kyle Seager" is more a doubles name anyway, and he should deliver plenty of those. Walks, singles and doubles. That's Kyle Seager.

The organization loves him. Obviously, or else he wouldn't be up already. You'll recall that he was present at Fanfest. He's considered a part of the future, and that future will probably begin tomorrow night in Anaheim. So one can't help but wonder what this means for Chone Figgins. Eric Wedge won't take away a lot of playing time from Adam Kennedy, since Eric Wedge loves Adam Kennedy. Which means Seager will take a lot of time away from Figgins. Will Figgins end up the 25th man? Will he change positions? Will he be dropped? Is there any point to keeping him around anymore? The Mariners will have a decision to make. It's possible they've already made it.

I don't know if Kyle Seager is ready to be a Major League-caliber third baseman. I don't know if he'll ever be. I do know that he doesn't have to be much to help out. So welcome to the Mariners, Kyle Seager. Make them better and we will all love you.

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Per Drayer...

He’s only up until Carp is eligible to come back unless Seager does well, but Seager will get the chance to play and convince them.

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by jameslcrockett on Jul 6, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

This makes sense.

Because I was thinking it was absurd that he was up after 12 games in AAA.

by joof on Jul 6, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is driving me nuts. Not the sentiment (which I share), but that I trust the front office yet disagree with the Peggy situation based on the information available.

We should assume that the M’s have access to even more telling statistics that we do, as well as that they’re more familiar with Peguero, right?

I agree that he has looked absolutely lost up there and that there’s no readily apparent reason for him to be here instead of Carp, or even Saunders for that matter. WHAT DO THEY KNOW THAT WE DON’T!? Argh! Or are they just completely blind? And if they are, how the fuck did they get to the top of a major league franchise?

There has to be something we’re missing, but for the life of me I know not what it is.

Teams (for foreign blogs): Seahawks, Mariners, Huskies and Broncos. Yes, I recognize the contradiction; I was born in Denver.

by THolt on Jul 6, 2011 5:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

THolt - Remember that Jack Z and Wedge may not agree in all things.

One thing I find funny is that no one ever talks about the politics inside the FO. We acknowledge chemistry and personalities and vibes/feelings inside the clubhouse, but we don’t talk about it in the FO. Anytime you have a collection of people, there will be folks who are liked, others who are ostracized (whether they deserve to be or not). And these things can play into how people’s opinions are valued (such as opinions of a player or a player’s potential). I’m not going anywhere with this, other than to remind folks that its not always black and white decisions. You have a team of people working behind the scenes, and their interactions and complexities may have an effect on what players you see and what decisions they make – for better or worse.

by NWade on Jul 6, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hard to get reliable information on FO dynamics

Back in the pre-SBN days I strongly suspected that the Ruskell/Holmgren balance of power was badly dysfunctional, but this was rarely hinted at in the press. I used to hammer Mike Sando with questions to that end and he consistently avoided any mention of it. Writers rely on inside access to FO and coaching staffs and are not always in a hurry to dig around in that dynamic, or seemingly not in Seattle at least.

by lemonverbena on Jul 6, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have to stay down 10 days unless there's an injury

Keeps teams from sending down the entire rotation but the day’s starting pitcher for superdepth

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 6, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't come right back up after being sent down

Have to wait like 10 days/games/whatever. Carp was sent down for Beavan (who is…staying?) just three days ago.

by Aly Edge on Jul 6, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is nice and I'm excited to be able to go watch his major league debut tomorrow, but the improvement from Kennedy to Seager is likely not too much

The Peguero problem is still easily fixable, so I’m gonna sit and wait for the corresponding move that must be coming.

by AndrewMcQ on Jul 6, 2011 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

It's more like Kennedy and Seager instead of Kennedy and Figgins

which could/should be an improvement. Of course, this’ll also mean some Kennedy/Seager at DH instead of Cust.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 6, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Ackley and Seager are actually friends.

It would be kind of funny if they hated each other in college and wound up on the same big league team.

by wetzelcoal on Jul 6, 2011 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

They competed against each other up through prep ball too.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 6, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aw, that's cool. It's Rose Hill Jr. High. Only reason I know that is because I attended.

Teams (for foreign blogs): Seahawks, Mariners, Huskies and Broncos. Yes, I recognize the contradiction; I was born in Denver.

by THolt on Jul 6, 2011 5:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oops, misread.

Thought he was in Tacoma when that happened, not Jackson. Disregard.

Teams (for foreign blogs): Seahawks, Mariners, Huskies and Broncos. Yes, I recognize the contradiction; I was born in Denver.

by THolt on Jul 6, 2011 5:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's not like these are two cars off the same production line with the same faulty part

You can only generalize from one case history to the next; the specifics can diverge quite a bit. Kyle had his surgery very young, the flaw might have been in a different place/size, may have healed differently, and so on. That said, what is the doctor going to say? Sure, go ahead and take whatever risks you want, my malpractice insurance be damned? But the kid now has some basis to ignore that advice (just as Seager did).

by J0SER on Jul 7, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Salk:
Seager WILL play every day, according to M’s brass. 3B and maybe some DH.

by drblacknwhite on Jul 6, 2011 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

So is Wilson still with the team?

25 man roster says he is. I cannot confirm with a visual.

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Jul 6, 2011 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I think I saw him last night!

I’m pretty sure I saw Chris Ray in the dugout as well so who the hell knows.

by the other side on Jul 6, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He actually warmed up today!

There’s still an APB out for Jeff Gray, however.

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by jameslcrockett on Jul 6, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, he's still here.

Some fans behind me were heckling him while he sat in the dugout today.

"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps

by perfectstrat on Jul 6, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Upgrading through youth!

Because, I assume it can’t be worse than what we’ve already seen at third base so far this year.

Can it?

by cwel87 on Jul 6, 2011 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

It's not a youth movement...

it’s a get better movement.

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by jameslcrockett on Jul 6, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I LOVE Seager. Thought he was a stud in college.

I really think he’s our 3B of the future. So excited that the future is now.

by SethGrandpa on Jul 6, 2011 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Same here, he caught my eye at UNC.

Obviously Ackley has better upside, but I was extremely happy when we drafted Seager and im much higher on him than others.

by Slica on Jul 6, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

This has to piss off Carp.

I mean, how long was Carp mashing the ball in AAA and took forever to get his call up? Then this new kid shows up, plays in 12 games, and boom, call up.

by EdgarBoneJr on Jul 6, 2011 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Why?

It’s not like he’d land any punches

by UW2010 on Jul 6, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

They'd both be in the same weight class, though Peguero has 3 inches on Wilson

And seems like he’s more muscle while Wilson is a little less chiseled.

Still, if I were Mike Wilson and going to murder someone, I’d probably aim for someone who was NOT the biggest and strongest guy on the team.

I’d murder Chone Figgins or Jack Wilson or Rick Griffin or something.

by HititHere on Jul 7, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Either Wilson or Peguero could kill Figgins without noticing

Just by sitting down on the bench without checking first

by J0SER on Jul 7, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm looking forward to seeing Seager. Bummer for Yepez though. I really wanted to see him get in a game.

I hope he gets another shot in the Majors soon.

"Perhaps the worst comment I've ever seen on LL." - sanford_and_son.

by Ride the Apocalypse on Jul 6, 2011 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Lets not oversell this

“Yepez, who was a player on this team, is going away without having made an appearance”

I haven’t been this excited since those Ford Truck commercials came out.

by JeffHagan2 on Jul 6, 2011 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

It's a bummer for him

I was hoping he’d get in at least one game. Maybe in September.

by Aly Edge on Jul 6, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seager

Saw Seager last Thursday at Cheney. He had a sharply hit ground ball single between the first and second baseman his first time up and hit a line drive home run to right center in the third or fourth. The ball kept carrying, probably due in part to wind blowing that way. He did sting it though. He made a FINE back hand play on a hard hit ball a few feet to his right. He handled everything else well. I left after the fourth or fifth inning so didn’t see everything he may have had hit his way. It was a “little” chilly.

Carlos Peguero will hopefully be good in the future, but I’d prefer they swapped him and Carp and let Carp play regularly, especially in Safeco where his gap hitting fits well. I was at Cheney Sunday night, Carp’s first day back to the Rainiers. He had a home run and double, both to left field. The Mariners need guys who will put the ball in play than does Peguero. Having him as a power threat adds something to the lineup but I’m not sure it’s enough to justify his presence in there. Hopefully he’ll learn to put the ball in play enough to bat at least .250 and upwards. Twelve to 15 home runs a year at Safeco and 20 to 25 on the road should be attainable if he learns to put the ball in play more often.

If he could match Jay Buhner’s average stats, or do a little better, that would be terrific.

by RedMuleOnline on Jul 6, 2011 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Was gonna say that Figgins could get a few days in the OF (LF or CF)

But looked at his stats from his days for LAA and he was apparently a godawful OF (based on UZR).

by Edgar for Pres on Jul 6, 2011 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Over 2300 IP he is -8 runs / 150 G

Besides 2003 where he was above average/great in CF he was pretty bad the rest of the time.

by Edgar for Pres on Jul 6, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get to see his debut live!

Man I love living 2 miles away from Anaheim right now.

by EthanN on Jul 6, 2011 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

It seems like Seager is Adam Kennedy part 2.

Not a star but an above average hitter, that can play all over the infield, with gap power and a 4-5 year peak putting up about ~3 WAR annually.

"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."

by kelly20210 on Jul 6, 2011 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

My only experience with Seagar

Was watching him hit an absolutely tape measure shot to RF in a Spring Training game against the….Reds I believe? He came in as a pinch hitter, his name was not announced, and he absolutely crushed the ball out of the park in Peoria, causing pretty much everyone around us to start asking people next to them if they knew who that guy was. I had to go fire up LL on my phone (which of course had the answer!), because he wasn’t in the media guide or on the Mariners roster online.

Long story long, I’m excited to see him get a shot.

by Kingdomer on Jul 6, 2011 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey, I was at this game!

I remember turning to my Dad, and neither of us knew who hit that shot. It was awesome.

by okdan on Jul 6, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

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