Mariners Holiday Weekend In Review
Welcome back to the life that you live! Here are the big Mariners stories that you missed over the three-day weekend. And by "you" I mean "I". This is basically me catching myself up and generating front page content at the same time. Take notes, aspiring bloggers.
(1) The Mariners scored five runs in three games and went 2-1
You could also go with 11, four, and 3-1 in case you were busy Friday night as well. The hitters are still wearing their dancing shoes instead of their hitting shoes, and so the run production remains totally absent. The M's haven't scored at least four runs in consecutive games since June 2nd and 3rd. However, they didn't need to score runs this weekend, because they played the Padres and the A's, who are basically the Mariners but worse. After the successful weekend, the M's find themselves 2.5 games out of first. They were two out of first on May 3rd. It feels like the last two months have been up and down, but the M's haven't been more than four back since May 18th. Of course, any excitement is tempered by the fact that the Pirates are currently 1.5 back in the NL Central. Is anybody buying the Pirates?
(2) Mike Carp is back in Tacoma, Carlos Peguero is not, and Chris Gimenez is on the 60-day DL
For Gimenez, it's a shit break, although the severity of the injury makes the fact that he finished that one game all the more impressive. For the team, I imagine Josh Bard is at least as good, if not better. More importantly, we have Carp and Peguero. Carp came up, didn't play much, and got on base a decent amount. Not good enough, apparently. He'll be back, and he'll be back soon, but this is just another indication that the team seems to like Peguero more than it probably ought to. A total of 356 batters have come to the plate at least 100 times this season. Peguero's OBP ranks 329th, despite being platooned. I get that the threat of a home run exists, but with other players there exists a lesser threat that they'll make an out three-quarters of the time.
(3) Blake Beavan came up and was good
Granted, Beavan made his debut start against the Padres in Safeco Field, but relative to making his debut start against the Padres in Petco Park, this was a tough task, and Beavan excelled, allowing a run over seven innings while throwing 71% of his pitches for strikes. More impressively, he generated 12 missed bats with his fastball and pumped a few into the mid-90s. This is why you never want to make too big a deal of a likely short DL stint. Sure, Erik Bedard is hurt, and Bedard being hurt makes the Mariners worse, but look what Beavan just did as his replacement. You just can't ever know how one or two games are going to go, regardless of the matchup. Also, hey, awesome for Beavan, who probably has it in him to make a career out of at least being last year's Doug Fister.
(4) Doug Fister got no run support again
Fister allowed a run in nine innings against the Padres and lost. He has allowed three runs over 25 innings in his last three starts and failed to earn a single win. He is 3-9 with a 3.02 ERA, and his run support is the lowest in baseball, a hair ahead of - or behind - Dustin Moseley. The pitchers with the highest run support in baseball: CC Sabathia and Jon Lester. Yeah, that's necessary. Fister was the starter that one time the M's clobbered the Tigers 13-3. In Fister's other 16 games, the M's have scored 29 total runs. The Mariners hate Doug Fister. They hate him. They hate the 24-year-olds in the beer garden who shout out his name. They hate that he's taller than Michael Pineda. They hate his hair and his attempts at a beard. They hate him, and to show it, they don't score runs. The Mariners also hate all their other pitchers.
(5) Fister lost after he walked a guy on three balls
That was the story on Saturday. Fister walked Cameron Maybin on three balls, Maybin scored, and the Padres won 1-0. All those people, and no one said a word. Nevermind the dugout and the coaching staff. Doug Fister was throwing the pitches, and he didn't notice. Josh Bard was catching the pitches, and he didn't notice. The umpire was calling the pitches, and he deferred to the scoreboard, which was wrong. There are so many different ways to go with jokes here that I'm stuck at the trailhead, reading all the signs. What's funny is I know I wouldn't have noticed, either. Baseball has too many details.
(6) Felix Hernandez and Brandon League made the All-Star team while Ichiro did not
Okie dokie
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Ichiro should just be grandfathered in to the All-Star game
Who else is going to deliver the pregame speech?
by hcoguy on Jul 5, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What's funny is the scoreboard op is the least qualified of all the people counting balls and strikes
While true, it's funny that you even need to be qualified for such a position.
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Education level required: preschool.
The ultimate responsibility is the ump.
And if he isn’t using a hand counter, why not? He shouldn’t need to depend on the scoreboard op, for Christ’s sake!
They said on the tv broadcast the next day that he didn't have a counter.
I’ve heard it both ways and i’m not sure anyone but him knows for sure though.
If anything we should be thankful for the 3 pitch walk.
I’d have been a lot more upset about it if the M’s had lost that one 5-6 or something, but with the offense only managing 3 base runners that game the walk saved us from having to watch more futile hacks in extra-innings.
It seems that if you were ever going to lose on a three ball walk, it would happen on the road, not at home
which is why I wish that had happened in the Marlins series instead of the Padres series
If you were ever going to lose on a three ball walk
It would happen to Fister
by Larry Bernandez on Jul 5, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is how does this not get noticed? Do teams not keep their own official book in the dugout?
I would be upset if something like that got by my bookkeeper on my softball team… let alone an MLB team.
There were more than 3 pitches thrown during the AB (which also included pitches that were fouled off).
No one expects anyone to screw that up and it is ultimately the Ump’s responsibility to keep track of balls and strikes. This is not to say that it couldn’t have been handled better but given how often this happens relative to the number of baseball games played, it was a fluke incident involving a process that’s taken for granted by virtually everyone.
I think you have it right.
It’s a stupid mistake on everyone’s part, and Wedge already apologized to the team for not catching it. 162 games, shit happens. And this situation happens somewhere every year.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
At the same time, no one shrugs these things off if an outfielder forgets the number of outs and throws the ball in the stands
I know this isn’t the first or last time something like this has happened or will happen, but it honestly surprises me that it happens even as rarely as it does. Even on top of all the players or coaches who could have piped up, there wasn’t some anal retentive fan sitting by the dugout screaming about how there were only three balls? And it’s not that the situation angers me, it just fascinates me.
Teams, umpires, and staff are pretty well conditioned to ignore screaming fans at this point
It fascinates me too, it just doesn’t surprise me that nobody said anything.
by pdb on Jul 5, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
"Hey! HEY!! There's only three balls! (runs through the entire at bat)
Eric! ERIC! MR WEDGE!! HEY! HEEEEY!!!!:
Sobriety ain't too bad...
by Thingray on Jul 5, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Happened in the Rangers-Mets game a week ago
Nelson Cruz had 4 balls and continued the AB until he struck out. The Fox broadcasting crew noticed but nobody else did. I wonder how often it actually does happen and, because it ultimately doesn’t affect the game result, nobody ever notices.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
by Thingray on Jul 5, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Olivo would have done that had we let him.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 5, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I watch a lot of games in person.
It seems no matter how closely I am watching, I still look up sometimes to see the scoreboard saying there are two strikes when I could have sworn there was just one. Universally, I assume (correctly, one would think) that I wasn’t paying close enough attention and that the scoreboard is correct, that I missed something while rifling through my girlfriends purse for the sunflower seeds. This happens all the time, and I never suspect something amiss. I can imagine a large gathering of people making the same assumption (though of course nobody should). It is an entirely human mistake on behalf of a whole ton of people, some of whom, sure, should be paying better attention.
Right, I understand the reasoning. But you aren't being paid lots of money like I assume someone is to keep a book.
Maybe I am completely wrong and that nobody in the dugout actually keeps a book. I just figured someone would be doing that.
More upsetting than the ump losing count
The fact that neither Fister nor the catcher knew the count means that their pitch calling tactics were hit or miss (literally).
by Larry Bernandez on Jul 5, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions
Or that no one wanted to say anything because they all assumed they were the idiot who lost track of the count this time
by seattlebruin on Jul 5, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that if either Fister or Bard had thought the count was wrong, they would have mentioned it.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Ultimately if someone had said something would anything good have come of it?
This game has no instant replay available on the field and arguing balls and strikes with the home plate umpire is the easiest and fastest way to get tossed from the game. If someone had called the umpire out on it would he have accepted he made a mistake and checked with the rest of his crew or would he take offense to being corrected and tossed Bard/Fister/Wedge/whoever out of the game while taking no blame?
by BaronVonBullshit on Jul 5, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I know.... and I know that there's a good chance if someone had said something the at bat would have continued
I was also just pointing out another equally valid outcome of someone attempting to correct the umpire. It’s all just “what ifs” and ultimately doesn’t mean anything either way.
by BaronVonBullshit on Jul 5, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
If someone disagreed with the umpire's count and he argued and ejected them.
Once it was discovered he was wrong, I assume the umpire would receive some severe disciplinary action. We still might have lost but there would be consequences.
They could have filed a protest
I don’t know what would have been the result but I can’t imagine they lose that protest.
And you can ask about the count, you just can't argue if a pitch was a ball or a strike.
This has happened before, and as long as the next at-bat hasn’t actually started, they’ll send the guy back to the plate if that is the right thing to do.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Yeah, I think they have the option of consulting with the official scorer to review the count in the at-bat.
Seems like I’ve seen that happen a few times before. No one was awake enough to notice the count was off.
by nathaniel dawson on Jul 5, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
"The Mariners also hate all their other pitchers."
One of your better punchlines.
As for the Pirates,
before I realized all of the teams there were back in the late 70’s, I was a Pirates fan. My dad took me to a few games in the summer of ‘79.
I don’t think it will last to much longer, but I hope they finish at .500. All of those draft picks and trades seem to be finally working for them.
BAH!!! HUMBUG!!!
I like this line.
There are so many different ways to go with jokes here that I’m stuck at the trailhead, reading all the signs.
I like that line, too.
Blue, nice length and thickness, with a subtle darker blue border. What’s not to like? I don’t see how it’s relevant to the topic at hand, though.
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by lailaihei on Jul 5, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 20 recs
It even has a watermark!
by Smegmalicious on Jul 5, 2011 3:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I really hope the team makes a move for SOME offensive upgrade
Something. Someone who can hit in LF please.
Fantastic idea!
If we let our players hit in left field then maybe we could get a few over the wall. It’s great being the home team.
by Eyebrows on Jul 5, 2011 2:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
The other really odd thing about the three pitch walk was that the home plate ump was apparently not using a pitch counter.
Replays of the AB clearly showed his right hand was empty. If he was keeping track of the count on a device instead of in his head he would presumably have been less likely to have deferred incorrectly the scoreboard count. How does this happen? Did he leave it in his other pants?
Yes. All of their pants look the same.
by sofa_king on Jul 5, 2011 3:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The crew chief claims Cuzzi was using a counter.
“Crew chief Tom Hallion said Cuzzi’s hand indicator had the count at 2-2, but he noted the stadium scoreboard read 3-2 before Fister’s pitch missed high.”
by msb on Jul 5, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions

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