Doug Fister, David Pauley Traded To Tigers For Casper Wells, Charlie Furbush, Other Stuff Too
I had my alarm set for 9:30. The plan was for us to wake up at 9:30 and rush out the door for brunch, before returning home so I could ride out the final 26 hours before the deadline. I did not anticipate that the Mariners would complete a trade in the morning, and it was a complete fluke that a crow woke me up around 8:45. Awake and incapable of going back to bed, I reached for my phone, and, welp.
I have to admit, I did not think that Doug Fister would get traded. I knew he was the target of substantial interest. I knew the Mariners considered him available. But I didn't see it. After last night, I figured the M's would ship off Erik Bedard for a half-decent prospect, and that would be it for the rotation. Fister was too cheap, too effective, and under control for too long for the Mariners to find a suitable price.
But here we are, and it's done. Fister's gone. David Pauley, too. In return, the Mariners get Charlie Furbush, which, I know. They get Casper Wells, which, I know. And they reportedly get prospect Francisco Martinez and a PTBNL. Jack Zduriencik and another general manager actually reached an agreement around a cost-controlled player, and it's up to us to sort this all out.
Let's go ahead and take this on a one-by-one basis:
Doug Fister's dirt cheap and under control through 2015. We've seen him take a small step forward this season with his velocity and strikeouts, which is both interesting and unusual for a 27-year-old. What he is is an effective #3 starter. What he isn't is more than that, and it doesn't look like there's much more room for him to grow, although he's proven me wrong before. His salary does make him a great value, for now. He's a very Twins pitcher, who's now going to assume his rightful place in the AL Central, and I'm really going to miss him. Doug Fister is a good pitcher and a good dude, and this'll be an adjustment.
David Pauley's dirt cheap and under control forever, too. Unfortunately for him, he isn't the piece a lot of Mariners fans are going to miss, as almost all the attention right now is being focused on the loss of Fister. The loss of Pauley feels almost inconsequential by comparison. That isn't true - losing Pauley matters as well - but because he's a reliever who doesn't strike people out, one has to concede that Pauley isn't nearly as big a loss. He's okay, and that's about it. Pauley isn't a guy you build around, or worry about losing. Very few relievers are guys you build around, or worry about losing.
And now we get to the return. First up: Casper Wells. Wells is a 26-year-old right-handed corner outfielder who can cut it in the middle. Like Fister and Pauley, he's cheap now and under control forever. He owns an .831 Major League OPS, but that's over 224 plate appearances between two seasons, so it's of limited significance. Of course, in triple-A he's hit about the same, so maybe it's an accurate reflection after all. He is not a power hitter, but he has power. Additionally, while his walk rates are low, he isn't a hacker - he's very aggressive within the zone and reasonable about laying off pitches out of it. Limited research suggests that he's good in the field, with one more reputable source calling him "outstanding," for whatever that's worth. Overall, Wells looks to be a lower-upside sort who's decent as a starter and terrific as a backup.
Now we get to Charlie Furbush, because the Mariners couldn't lose a Fister without gaining a Furbush. Furbush is a 25-year-old lefty starter who's been mostly broken in out of the Tigers bullpen. He's only got 32.1 Major League innings under his belt, but over 54 innings with triple-A Toledo, he posted 61 strikeouts and 16 walks. It was a big step forward for Furbush from where he was in 2010, and the probable reason is because he gained velocity, pushing his fastball more consistently into the low-90s. Maybe this was a consequence of putting Tommy John surgery further in the rearview mirror, but the velocity increase seems real, and he appears to combine his fastball with a curve, a slider, and an infrequent change. Furbush's stock has been on the rise to the point where some think of him as a future #3, and while I know we had a bad experience with Luke French, Furbush has more to offer. His upside isn't huge, but then, he was dealt for Doug Fister. He could end up in the bullpen.
Finally, there's Francisco Martinez. Martinez is a 20-year-old righty third baseman who's spent the season with double-A Erie. He hasn't walked a lot, he hasn't hit for much power, and he hasn't made consistent contact, but he's very young for the league, which conjures thoughts of Carlos Triunfel. Sure enough, Martinez is the toolsy sort who's trying to put everything together, meaning some prospect lists will rate him very highly, while others won't rate him at all. Martinez is not the sort of prospect who inspires much confidence that he'll figure it out, but if he does figure it out, he could be a dangerous hitter in one of the corners. He's the guy - the one guy - in this trade with a high ceiling.
Then there's the PTBNL. Who knows!
So there you go. Fister and Pauley are gone, and Wells and Furbush are here to replace them. Martinez will report to the minors and improve the strength of the system. Note that Martinez doesn't yet have to be placed on the 40-man roster. I don't think this is a huge win. The Mariners didn't bring in a likely All-Star or impact player. But they didn't trade one, either, and concerns about Fister and Pauley's low price are offset by Wells and Furbush's low price. There's a lot of team control moving around in this deal. I'd call this trade "fine". Maybe even "pretty good". I don't know yet, because maybe there are things about Wells, Furbush and/or Martinez of which I'm currently unaware. But the Mariners traded an effective low-upside starter and an effective low-upside reliever for a low-upside outfielder and a low-upside starter, plus two prospects. That sounds all right to me, even if Fister was one of the team's more lovable players.
Thanks for everything, Doug and David. You were good Mariners, surrounded by several poor Mariners, and may you enjoy a sudden run towards the playoffs. And may one of you finally get a run or two of support.
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I think I'm gonna miss all the Fist-related jokes the most.
Let’s hope there’s no Fister-Furbush matchup down the road or my head will explode.
Noooooooo!
Trade him? We hardly knew him.
by wetzelcoal on Jul 30, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 25 recs
David Aardsma tweets: "There will always be a gaping hole where the Fister was."
Nice to remember that fans aren’t the only immature ones.
by katal on Jul 30, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 20 recs
That's crazy
The last game I was at Safeco with my family was Doug Fister’s major league debut. I’ll be going to Safeco with my family again on Monday.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Yes, in fact, and I got it moments later.
August 20.
M's fan (soon) in SF My homepage
by lailaihei on Jul 30, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How soon is now?
Also does anyone have a sudden craving for a meatless diet?
August 16th
It’ll be a Tuesday, at approximately 8:41AM PST.
Jon Morosi:
In #Tigers — #Mariners deal, Seattle gets a fourth player who will be named on or before August 20.
I'm going to really miss watching Fister field
the conjunction of a Gumby body and feline reflexes was really entertaining.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 30, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
Casper Wells seems like the name of an unincorporated community in western Kansas
besides that, fuck this trade.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Huh, interesting
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
Love it.
Looks to be a great first trade from Jack Z. Selling high, in my opinion, on Fister and Pauley. Getting a boatload of young talent in return.
Not that I don't trust Stone
I’d love to hear this from another source or two.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 30, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Per @Mariners
http://twitter.com/#!/Mariners/status/97359573450625024
#Mariners acquire LHP Charlie Furbush, OF Casper Wells, INF Francisco Martinez and PTBNL from Detroit for RHPs Doug Fister and David Pauley.
by BurlesonBlue on Jul 30, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Trades make me look stupid.
Just like Jason Churchill.
by BurlesonBlue on Jul 30, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No idea if the significant rumor is true, but if it is...
I assume it’s someone from the most recent draft, which means probably Castellanos (no way), Smyly, or Ruffin.
Trading from a position of strength for a position of weakness
Makes sense. We seem to have a lot of SP depth on the way.
by niceguysfinishlast on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
So it appears the offense could be somewhat mediocre
You know I loves me some mediocrity!
Interesting trade.
Thanks for the brief memories, Fister. From almost not making the rotation last year to being valuable enough for a team to make a play to get you. Not bad, not bad.
Same goes for you Pauley. From nothing-special rotation-filler and scrap-heap guy to temporary ace reliever. Despite some struggles, watching you has been kinda neat.
As for the trade itself…sounds we didn’t exactly steal the Tigers’ lunch money (which is never my expectation anyway). Looks like a trade that could go either way in time.
by ThundaPC on Jul 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Maybe I'm retarded but this seems like a rather weak return
3 WAR last year, 3 already this year, on pace for 4, with four more years of team control… ceiling or no that doesn’t seem easy to replace.
This is my first impression as well
Hopefully the PTBNL will tip the scales in our favor. Fister does seem to be an underrated player and considering he is dirt cheap and likely to stay dirt cheap (I have a hard time seeing his skill set demand huge arbitration rewards) he should not be dealt unless there is some significant hitters in the mix . . .
Anton Chigurh for GM!
Thought I should add
“or pitchers”. I don’t care if they are hitters or pitchers as long as good talent is coming back . . . hitters of course do fill a more pressing need.
Anton Chigurh for GM!
Hope this is true and not just spin...
StoneLarry
Z says PTNBL will be from pool of three minor leaguers and will be finalized in about three weeks. He said they were significant prospects.
Greg Johns
Zduriencik also says player to be named will come in next three weeks from group of 3 quality prospects.
I'll miss Fister. For some odd reason every game I've gone to this season had him pitching (not every, saw Vargas in the Marlins game).
Anyhow every time it was classic Fister. Great pitching but no run support. It got to a point where I would buy my ticket just to see him win. I guess I’ll have to see him win as a Tiger.
I’ll miss you Doug. I hope Furbush can somehow fill the hole you left.
by sea-townie on Jul 30, 2011 11:01 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Never stopped anybody when we had Fister.
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
I just turned on the radio expecting pre-game (yeah, it's not Sunday, I know)
and the first call I hear is someone outraged that Jack did not get a significant power hitter.
Conspiracy???
The manager keeps pitching Doug Fister against the other teams number one pitchers!!!!!!!
That caller made my ears bleed.
I am now sitting in a pool of my own blood. That came out of my ears. From listening to that caller. Gross.
by It's Good To Be King on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I just burst out laughing.
Did the caller really say that?
by Fearless Frog on Jul 30, 2011 11:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
msb speaks the truth on this one.
It was pretty amazing in the worst way possible. He was loud and obnoxious, too.
by It's Good To Be King on Jul 30, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
After reading all of the comments, tweets, etc., I am just getting sadder and sadder.
Fingers crossed this will work out to our benefit in the future.
This is a real question
is there really a chance that someone significant could have been had for a Doug Fister?
I don't think so.
Which leads me to another question. Not just for this trade, but does it seem like the price for talent is generally less than expected?
Really no excitement for Wells?
Except for an 11 game stint in high A ball his rookie season he’s been a league average or better hitter anywhere he went. He’s currently doing so as a rookie in the MLB.
I kind of am...
but I’m struggling to see where he fits in unless he’s going to play CF. He’s certainly been a good hitter at every level and has even hit well in MLB. He’s 27 so that’s a bit old, but at this point I think he may be the second best hitter on the team. At least until I see otherwise.
He seems to fit in left field
Where we have a giant, gaping hole.
Sort of...
but I’d think LF is Carp’s to lose at this point. Unless he’s now LH DH with Cust gone.
Why WOULDN'T Carp...
….be primarily a DH from now on?
I suppose that would made sense.
Hasn’t been a disaster in LF though, but an upgrade is an upgrade.
Personally...
…I wouldn’t mind a platoon of Carp and Wily Mo. Especially since Carp has been producing and Pena’s been scuffling enough to get cut.
People off the bench who can hit?
Surely you jest, sir.
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
" The Mariners didn't bring in a likely All-Star or impact player. But they didn't trade one, either"
Sounds fine to me
Ready to Play
Meh.
On one hand, I really liked Fister and went to several of his starts. On the other hand he isn’t a particularly special pitcher and might not do so well outside of Seattle. Like Jeff talked about before, would we have been surprised if Fister got tagged for a lot of runs and struggled this season?
by Fearless Frog on Jul 30, 2011 11:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I really wanted Fister to be traded.
Not because I disliked him or anything, but because I think he deserves to have a chance to play for a playoff contender. It was either that, or wait around until 2015 for the Mariners to get their shit together.
This is stupid logic. He's been up for two years, he'll have plenty of time to win. Playoffs are not just due for good players.
Doug Fister is Dexter. R.I.P. Dave Niehaus
by SeaKoala on Jul 30, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fister has been up for 2 years and has received as much run support as a pair of Dutch clogs.
Could the Mariners turn it around in few years? Maybe, but then you know… Mariners
by Lucky Loser on Jul 30, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I just was afraid Fister was going to come back to Earth and start sucking any day now.
But yeah, a guy who has only been here two years and wasn’t incredible by any means doesn’t really DESERVE a chance to play for a playoff contender. Now Barry Sanders, that guy got screwed over.
This season the Mariners have gone one way, and Fister has gone another.
The more Fister starts I watched, the more I thought “He deserves better”. But I guess you’re right, Fister has only had two years of Mariner crap to deal with. Others are much more deserving cough cough
by Lucky Loser on Jul 30, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
By this logic we should trade Felix.
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps Twitter: @d_quazzo
by perfectstrat on Jul 30, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Fister is replaceable. Felix... not so much
But if someone came along with a ridiculous offer…
I wonder if the Mariners know more about Fister than we do, or if that prospect is really very good.
Doug Fister is Dexter. R.I.P. Dave Niehaus
I guess the Tigers are willing to give another M's pitcher a chance.
After how good Washburn was for them.
Not thrilled about the trade
Fister has always been the guy I have rooted for, but I recognize that this is probably fair value. I’m anxious to know who the PTBNL is.
by OlMuckyTerraHawk on Jul 30, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
I'm going to miss Fister and all the jokes that came along with him.
But looks like we got some semi-shiny players in return.
Bummer to see Fister go.
I liked Pauley too, but he’s replaceable. Still, this seems like a solid trade. I mean, Wells has been worth about a win in 125 PAs, seemingly without excessively good luck (BABIP not unreasonable, power numbers in line with AAA). That, since the scouting you mentioned seem to back up his good fielding numbers, strikes me as a lot more as “above-average regular” rather than "decent starter. " We’re not exactly drowning in quality right-handed outfielders, after all.
I this could end up looking very good for us if the PTBNL is indeed one of three “quality prospects.”
The pile has now shifted from the bullpen to the outfield.
I’m just happy we kept the pile.
by ThomasG on Jul 30, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well if it's because of the one-year rule, the only players that haven't been signed by Detroit for a year are:
Nick Castellanos, Chance Ruffin and Drew Smyly. As they all signed on 8/16/2010.
Any of the 3 would make this significantly more awesome.
We’re not getting Castellanos, though.
It doesn't mean that all three are in the running, though.
The prospect was to be decided on BY the 20th, not on the 20th. Only one of the possible three needs to be from that group.
Still, if one of the three (or a prospect of similar caliber) is included, this trade looks a hell of a lot better
Smyly or Castellanos would be the best prospect of the bunch, in my eyes, while Ruffin should be a very good bullpen arm very soon.
I see what you're saying.
If I could hazard a guess I would guess it’s only Smyly of those three that are potentially involved. Ruffin’s already on the 25/40, cause he’s pitched for the Tigers this year. And well, it’d be bat-shit insane for them to throw in Castellanos.
by SgtSasquatch on Jul 30, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm a little surprised at the tooth gnashing
Do,kt get me wrong, I like Fister, he’s a good back of the rotation guy no doubt, but he’s not a truly special player.
Position players, even average ones are at least worth what a back of the rotation guy like Fister is.
We ended up about a wash in terms of money, and contract length and team control, but shifted a little of the strength of pitching into positions we desperately needed it.
Add in the PTBNL, and I see this as a good trade for both teams…not a steal, which is what everyone wanted (face it, most of you guys who are upset were expecting more than was fair from a Fister trade, yoi wanted to fleece someone).
A future possible 3rd basemen and a immediate starting LF, as well as pitcher to fill Fisters spot potentially, plus a prospect; for a above average pitcher and a serviceable bull pen pitcher.
There’s nothing wrong with this deal, except that we all grew to really like Fister.
But in terms of value, this trade is pretty much exactly right for both teams.
I like it.
by fargomonkey on Jul 30, 2011 1:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Time to get excited
Source says PTBNL in the #Mariners #Tigers trade is indeed one Detroit’s top 3 picks from 2010 draft. Can’t be traded until signed for 1 yr
I know it's been said before
But the difference in minor league depth between three years ago and now is startling. I hope Z is around long enough to see his beautiful flowers pollinated.
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 30, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I looked at this trade, the more I started to like it
That the PTBNL could very well be a high draft pick from the 2010 draft is absolutely awesome.
Wells
Is better than all of the tigers’ starting outfield, and the mariners starters too. Unless ichiro bounces back. He’s not great but pretty good. Safeco may prove me wrong, but I like him.
by wobatus on Jul 30, 2011 2:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Fister. :(
While I don’t really miss Pauley the reliever since he’s a reliever, Pauley the guy seemed really awesome. In fact, I will probably write up a fanpost about that when I get home from work.
All box seats
now have to be called Furbush seats.
by CanadianForeplay on Jul 30, 2011 7:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
NIce
Who needs the Kings Court when we have the “Box” seats

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