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Doug Fister, David Pauley Traded To Tigers For Casper Wells, Charlie Furbush, Other Stuff Too

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I had my alarm set for 9:30. The plan was for us to wake up at 9:30 and rush out the door for brunch, before returning home so I could ride out the final 26 hours before the deadline. I did not anticipate that the Mariners would complete a trade in the morning, and it was a complete fluke that a crow woke me up around 8:45. Awake and incapable of going back to bed, I reached for my phone, and, welp.

I have to admit, I did not think that Doug Fister would get traded. I knew he was the target of substantial interest. I knew the Mariners considered him available. But I didn't see it. After last night, I figured the M's would ship off Erik Bedard for a half-decent prospect, and that would be it for the rotation. Fister was too cheap, too effective, and under control for too long for the Mariners to find a suitable price.

But here we are, and it's done. Fister's gone. David Pauley, too. In return, the Mariners get Charlie Furbush, which, I know. They get Casper Wells, which, I know. And they reportedly get prospect Francisco Martinez and a PTBNL. Jack Zduriencik and another general manager actually reached an agreement around a cost-controlled player, and it's up to us to sort this all out.

Let's go ahead and take this on a one-by-one basis:

Doug Fister's dirt cheap and under control through 2015. We've seen him take a small step forward this season with his velocity and strikeouts, which is both interesting and unusual for a 27-year-old. What he is is an effective #3 starter. What he isn't is more than that, and it doesn't look like there's much more room for him to grow, although he's proven me wrong before. His salary does make him a great value, for now. He's a very Twins pitcher, who's now going to assume his rightful place in the AL Central, and I'm really going to miss him. Doug Fister is a good pitcher and a good dude, and this'll be an adjustment.

David Pauley's dirt cheap and under control forever, too. Unfortunately for him, he isn't the piece a lot of Mariners fans are going to miss, as almost all the attention right now is being focused on the loss of Fister. The loss of Pauley feels almost inconsequential by comparison. That isn't true - losing Pauley matters as well - but because he's a reliever who doesn't strike people out, one has to concede that Pauley isn't nearly as big a loss. He's okay, and that's about it. Pauley isn't a guy you build around, or worry about losing. Very few relievers are guys you build around, or worry about losing.

And now we get to the return. First up: Casper Wells. Wells is a 26-year-old right-handed corner outfielder who can cut it in the middle. Like Fister and Pauley, he's cheap now and under control forever. He owns an .831 Major League OPS, but that's over 224 plate appearances between two seasons, so it's of limited significance. Of course, in triple-A he's hit about the same, so maybe it's an accurate reflection after all. He is not a power hitter, but he has power. Additionally, while his walk rates are low, he isn't a hacker - he's very aggressive within the zone and reasonable about laying off pitches out of it. Limited research suggests that he's good in the field, with one more reputable source calling him "outstanding," for whatever that's worth. Overall, Wells looks to be a lower-upside sort who's decent as a starter and terrific as a backup.

Now we get to Charlie Furbush, because the Mariners couldn't lose a Fister without gaining a Furbush. Furbush is a 25-year-old lefty starter who's been mostly broken in out of the Tigers bullpen. He's only got 32.1 Major League innings under his belt, but over 54 innings with triple-A Toledo, he posted 61 strikeouts and 16 walks. It was a big step forward for Furbush from where he was in 2010, and the probable reason is because he gained velocity, pushing his fastball more consistently into the low-90s. Maybe this was a consequence of putting Tommy John surgery further in the rearview mirror, but the velocity increase seems real, and he appears to combine his fastball with a curve, a slider, and an infrequent change. Furbush's stock has been on the rise to the point where some think of him as a future #3, and while I know we had a bad experience with Luke French, Furbush has more to offer. His upside isn't huge, but then, he was dealt for Doug Fister. He could end up in the bullpen.

Finally, there's Francisco Martinez. Martinez is a 20-year-old righty third baseman who's spent the season with double-A Erie. He hasn't walked a lot, he hasn't hit for much power, and he hasn't made consistent contact, but he's very young for the league, which conjures thoughts of Carlos Triunfel. Sure enough, Martinez is the toolsy sort who's trying to put everything together, meaning some prospect lists will rate him very highly, while others won't rate him at all. Martinez is not the sort of prospect who inspires much confidence that he'll figure it out, but if he does figure it out, he could be a dangerous hitter in one of the corners. He's the guy - the one guy - in this trade with a high ceiling.

Then there's the PTBNL. Who knows!

So there you go. Fister and Pauley are gone, and Wells and Furbush are here to replace them. Martinez will report to the minors and improve the strength of the system. Note that Martinez doesn't yet have to be placed on the 40-man roster. I don't think this is a huge win. The Mariners didn't bring in a likely All-Star or impact player. But they didn't trade one, either, and concerns about Fister and Pauley's low price are offset by Wells and Furbush's low price. There's a lot of team control moving around in this deal. I'd call this trade "fine". Maybe even "pretty good". I don't know yet, because maybe there are things about Wells, Furbush and/or Martinez of which I'm currently unaware. But the Mariners traded an effective low-upside starter and an effective low-upside reliever for a low-upside outfielder and a low-upside starter, plus two prospects. That sounds all right to me, even if Fister was one of the team's more lovable players.

Thanks for everything, Doug and David. You were good Mariners, surrounded by several poor Mariners, and may you enjoy a sudden run towards the playoffs. And may one of you finally get a run or two of support.

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I think I'm gonna miss all the Fist-related jokes the most.

Let’s hope there’s no Fister-Furbush matchup down the road or my head will explode.

by sandalfan on Jul 30, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

That's crazy

The last game I was at Safeco with my family was Doug Fister’s major league debut. I’ll be going to Safeco with my family again on Monday.

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Huh, interesting

I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh

by HitKing69 on Jul 30, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love it.

Looks to be a great first trade from Jack Z. Selling high, in my opinion, on Fister and Pauley. Getting a boatload of young talent in return.

by nicktjacob on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Reserving judgment

Until I hear what that PTBNL is. Stone says it’s significant.

by BurlesonBlue on Jul 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting trade.

Thanks for the brief memories, Fister. From almost not making the rotation last year to being valuable enough for a team to make a play to get you. Not bad, not bad.

Same goes for you Pauley. From nothing-special rotation-filler and scrap-heap guy to temporary ace reliever. Despite some struggles, watching you has been kinda neat.

As for the trade itself…sounds we didn’t exactly steal the Tigers’ lunch money (which is never my expectation anyway). Looks like a trade that could go either way in time.

by ThundaPC on Jul 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Maybe I'm retarded but this seems like a rather weak return

3 WAR last year, 3 already this year, on pace for 4, with four more years of team control… ceiling or no that doesn’t seem easy to replace.

by Fett42 on Jul 30, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

This is my first impression as well

Hopefully the PTBNL will tip the scales in our favor. Fister does seem to be an underrated player and considering he is dirt cheap and likely to stay dirt cheap (I have a hard time seeing his skill set demand huge arbitration rewards) he should not be dealt unless there is some significant hitters in the mix . . .

Anton Chigurh for GM!

by 300ZXNA on Jul 30, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thought I should add

“or pitchers”. I don’t care if they are hitters or pitchers as long as good talent is coming back . . . hitters of course do fill a more pressing need.

Anton Chigurh for GM!

by 300ZXNA on Jul 30, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hope this is true and not just spin...
StoneLarry
Z says PTNBL will be from pool of three minor leaguers and will be finalized in about three weeks. He said they were significant prospects.

by PLU Tim on Jul 30, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Greg Johns
Zduriencik also says player to be named will come in next three weeks from group of 3 quality prospects.

by msb on Jul 30, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll miss Fister. For some odd reason every game I've gone to this season had him pitching (not every, saw Vargas in the Marlins game).

Anyhow every time it was classic Fister. Great pitching but no run support. It got to a point where I would buy my ticket just to see him win. I guess I’ll have to see him win as a Tiger.
I’ll miss you Doug. I hope Furbush can somehow fill the hole you left.

by sea-townie on Jul 30, 2011 11:01 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Never stopped anybody when we had Fister.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 30, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just turned on the radio expecting pre-game (yeah, it's not Sunday, I know)

and the first call I hear is someone outraged that Jack did not get a significant power hitter.

by msb on Jul 30, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

This is a real question

is there really a chance that someone significant could have been had for a Doug Fister?

by msb on Jul 30, 2011 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think so.

Which leads me to another question. Not just for this trade, but does it seem like the price for talent is generally less than expected?

by ThundaPC on Jul 30, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really no excitement for Wells?

Except for an 11 game stint in high A ball his rookie season he’s been a league average or better hitter anywhere he went. He’s currently doing so as a rookie in the MLB.

by SgtSasquatch on Jul 30, 2011 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I kind of am...

but I’m struggling to see where he fits in unless he’s going to play CF. He’s certainly been a good hitter at every level and has even hit well in MLB. He’s 27 so that’s a bit old, but at this point I think he may be the second best hitter on the team. At least until I see otherwise.

by PLU Tim on Jul 30, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of...

but I’d think LF is Carp’s to lose at this point. Unless he’s now LH DH with Cust gone.

by PLU Tim on Jul 30, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why WOULDN'T Carp...

….be primarily a DH from now on?

by rtang on Jul 30, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose that would made sense.

Hasn’t been a disaster in LF though, but an upgrade is an upgrade.

by PLU Tim on Jul 30, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally...

…I wouldn’t mind a platoon of Carp and Wily Mo. Especially since Carp has been producing and Pena’s been scuffling enough to get cut.

by rtang on Jul 30, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

People off the bench who can hit?

Surely you jest, sir.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 30, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh.

On one hand, I really liked Fister and went to several of his starts. On the other hand he isn’t a particularly special pitcher and might not do so well outside of Seattle. Like Jeff talked about before, would we have been surprised if Fister got tagged for a lot of runs and struggled this season?

by Fearless Frog on Jul 30, 2011 11:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I really wanted Fister to be traded.

Not because I disliked him or anything, but because I think he deserves to have a chance to play for a playoff contender. It was either that, or wait around until 2015 for the Mariners to get their shit together.

by Lucky Loser on Jul 30, 2011 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I just was afraid Fister was going to come back to Earth and start sucking any day now.

But yeah, a guy who has only been here two years and wasn’t incredible by any means doesn’t really DESERVE a chance to play for a playoff contender. Now Barry Sanders, that guy got screwed over.

by EthanN on Jul 30, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

This season the Mariners have gone one way, and Fister has gone another.

The more Fister starts I watched, the more I thought “He deserves better”. But I guess you’re right, Fister has only had two years of Mariner crap to deal with. Others are much more deserving cough cough

by Lucky Loser on Jul 30, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not thrilled about the trade

Fister has always been the guy I have rooted for, but I recognize that this is probably fair value. I’m anxious to know who the PTBNL is.

by OlMuckyTerraHawk on Jul 30, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Bummer to see Fister go.

I liked Pauley too, but he’s replaceable. Still, this seems like a solid trade. I mean, Wells has been worth about a win in 125 PAs, seemingly without excessively good luck (BABIP not unreasonable, power numbers in line with AAA). That, since the scouting you mentioned seem to back up his good fielding numbers, strikes me as a lot more as “above-average regular” rather than "decent starter. " We’re not exactly drowning in quality right-handed outfielders, after all.

I this could end up looking very good for us if the PTBNL is indeed one of three “quality prospects.”

by VivaAyala on Jul 30, 2011 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

It doesn't mean that all three are in the running, though.

The prospect was to be decided on BY the 20th, not on the 20th. Only one of the possible three needs to be from that group.

by abender20 on Jul 30, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still, if one of the three (or a prospect of similar caliber) is included, this trade looks a hell of a lot better

Smyly or Castellanos would be the best prospect of the bunch, in my eyes, while Ruffin should be a very good bullpen arm very soon.

by AndrewMcQ on Jul 30, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying.

If I could hazard a guess I would guess it’s only Smyly of those three that are potentially involved. Ruffin’s already on the 25/40, cause he’s pitched for the Tigers this year. And well, it’d be bat-shit insane for them to throw in Castellanos.

by SgtSasquatch on Jul 30, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm a little surprised at the tooth gnashing

Do,kt get me wrong, I like Fister, he’s a good back of the rotation guy no doubt, but he’s not a truly special player.
Position players, even average ones are at least worth what a back of the rotation guy like Fister is.

We ended up about a wash in terms of money, and contract length and team control, but shifted a little of the strength of pitching into positions we desperately needed it.

Add in the PTBNL, and I see this as a good trade for both teams…not a steal, which is what everyone wanted (face it, most of you guys who are upset were expecting more than was fair from a Fister trade, yoi wanted to fleece someone).

A future possible 3rd basemen and a immediate starting LF, as well as pitcher to fill Fisters spot potentially, plus a prospect; for a above average pitcher and a serviceable bull pen pitcher.

There’s nothing wrong with this deal, except that we all grew to really like Fister.
But in terms of value, this trade is pretty much exactly right for both teams.

I like it.

by fargomonkey on Jul 30, 2011 1:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   3 recs

Time to get excited

Via Drayer’s Twitter:

Source says PTBNL in the #Mariners #Tigers trade is indeed one Detroit’s top 3 picks from 2010 draft. Can’t be traded until signed for 1 yr

by JLC on Jul 30, 2011 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I know it's been said before

But the difference in minor league depth between three years ago and now is startling. I hope Z is around long enough to see his beautiful flowers pollinated.

I've got ridiculous upside.

by Jacson Bevens on Jul 30, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The more I looked at this trade, the more I started to like it

That the PTBNL could very well be a high draft pick from the 2010 draft is absolutely awesome.

by JLC on Jul 30, 2011 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Wells

Is better than all of the tigers’ starting outfield, and the mariners starters too. Unless ichiro bounces back. He’s not great but pretty good. Safeco may prove me wrong, but I like him.

by wobatus on Jul 30, 2011 2:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Fister. :(

While I don’t really miss Pauley the reliever since he’s a reliever, Pauley the guy seemed really awesome. In fact, I will probably write up a fanpost about that when I get home from work.

by Aussie Mariner on Jul 30, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

All box seats

now have to be called Furbush seats.

by CanadianForeplay on Jul 30, 2011 7:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

NIce

Who needs the Kings Court when we have the “Box” seats

by m.c. razor on Jul 30, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

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