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Red Sox Find Erik Bedard Desirable, Wish To See More Of Him

I've been spending so much time lately dealing with other teams' rumors that I might as well tackle the Mariners' own while I'm at it. What do we have today? This, from Ken Rosenthal:

The Seattle Mariners had two scouts watching the Boston Red Sox’s Triple-A affiliate on Wednesday night and one watching the Sox’s Double-A club, according to major league sources.
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The Sox are "all over" Bedard, one source said, and both the Sox and New York Yankees are expected to scout Bedard on Friday night.

This isn't really anything we didn't already know - we can expect Bedard to be heavily scouted on Friday as he returns from the DL, because it's his one and only start before the deadline. And it isn't surprising that the Mariners have had scouts observing the affiliates of a possible trade partner, because that's just due diligence.

Still, it's interesting to look at the landscape of starting pitcher options right now. Ubaldo Jimenez is out there, but he would cost an exorbitant sum. Hiroki Kuroda is out there, but he has a full no-trade clause and isn't wild about leaving Los Angeles. Aaron Harang is out there, but he isn't very good. Jeremy Guthrie is out there, but he isn't very good. Jason Marquis is out there, but he isn't very good. Wandy Rodriguez is out there, but he'd cost a lot. Kevin Slowey is out there, but he isn't very good.

And so on. There are a lot of contending teams in search of starting pitching, but there isn't a lot of quality, affordable starting pitching to be had. Which is what makes Bedard so interesting. Bedard's health history is terrible. Just terrible. But he has all the talent in the world, and before he sustained a minor knee injury, he was pitching like an ace for two months. There's no other pitcher on the market that I know of who combines Bedard's ability with his presumptive reasonable cost, except maybe Rich Harden, who's a bigger risk.

So you can understand why he's drawing so much attention. Sure, a team could flip a C prospect for Aaron Harang, but what if it took a B or B+ prospect to get Erik Bedard? And what if Erik Bedard pitched like an ace down the stretch and in the playoffs? How often does a team have the opportunity to land an ace-level pitcher without paying an ace-level price?

Bedard's start on Friday is critical. Maybe not so much the results, but the appearance. If he's healthy and his stuff looks sharp, that could and should spark a bidding war. I don't know what the Mariners might be able to come away with, but it would be a player with promise.

Jon Heyman tweeted earlier that the Mariners haven't ruled out re-signing Bedard. It's evident that the Mariners like him, and it's more evident that Bedard really likes the Mariners. But, to me, this reads like strategy. Something the Mariners tell suitors in an attempt to raise Bedard's price. They could always re-sign Bedard in the offseason, and given how well he's pitched so far, he might end up out of their price range.

Anyway, there's a lot to think about, and there are a lot of ways this could go. Bedard's no guarantee to get dealt, especially if he looks bad or has a setback or whatever, but from the sounds of things, there's enough interest out there that, if Bedard does get moved, he should bring back a real talent.

As for Rosenthal's mention of the interest in Doug Fister, I suppose that's best left for another post that I may or may not write. We'll see!

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Well this is incredibly exciting

I mean I’d be happy with trading Bedard to the Red Sox for a promising prospect, or resigning him.

by ungoreatstefan on Jul 28, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I am totally on board with trading Bedard and Vargas

If big Jack Z can get some young power bats that would be awesome in exchange for these guys. I know he was a center piece of the NYY Lee deal that fell through last year, but I would love to get their catcher Montero from the yankees for one of these guys. I wouldn’t mind seeing Bedard resign with the M’s in the off season if he decides to come back. Guess well see what happens this weekend.

by mariseanerhawk on Jul 28, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I believe this borders on rosterbation

Please don’t take us down this road. Pretty please

by Robby The Kid on Jul 28, 2011 11:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was encompassing the quoted story...

“The Sox are “all over” Bedard, one source said, and both the Sox and New York Yankees are expected to scout Bedard on Friday night."

It’s usually pretty safe to guess that if Bostons scouting talent then the Yankees aren’t far behind. Granted it’s not likely NY is going to trade Montero for Bedard straight up, but there is numerous options.

by mariseanerhawk on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

As exciting as it will be to watch him on Friday...

I know I’ll be watching and wondering “if only” the whole time, with regards to his knee. Sure it’s a waste of energy when you’re talking about Bedard, but then frustration is mostly what he’s given us.

by DrewManchu on Jul 28, 2011 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I like Bedard and hope we re-sign him after this season.

If GMZ sees value coming back then I’m okay with it. However, if he goes to Boston or New York I don’t see us being able to resign him.

by maqman on Jul 28, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

There's two scenarios in which I would be happy with this weekend: We trade Bedard for any half-decent prospect, or we re-sign Bedard on a reasonably priced deal to keep him around.

Now, I know the re-signing is not going to happen because that just never really happens at this point in season.

So, I just want to move him and move on. We like him and he likes us, great, come back Bedard. But we don’t need you this year, and frankly, why don’t you go pitch in the playoffs for somebody? Wouldn’t that be nice? Come back and tell us what it’s like.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmm, might be a brain problem.

Brain surgery! That’s 20 bonus points for the month!

by Matthew on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

All of my Consecration isn't good until winter.

But when December comes around I want to try this. Good idea.

by katal on Jul 28, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best case scenario?

Bedard gets traded for a nice piece, then resigns with the Mariners in the off-season.

by DaCheez on Jul 28, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I mentioned this in the OT Thread but, given the recent setback to Buchholz, the Sox have a more pressing need for a (good) SP now.

As Ubaldo will most likely cost the most, that leaves Bedard as the best bang for the buck, so to speak.

by ThomasG on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Bedard is also the most risk for the buck.

Fister should be looking pretty enticing right now.

by abender20 on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, but you would also think the Red Sox are in the best position to pay for Ubaldo, as they have a huge cashflow

as well as a strong farm system that could make up for the loss of several top prospects. I know, selling the farm every year for players will backfire eventually, but when you have a large competitive resource advantage, they should probably use it

by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't have enough down on the farm to get him.

Their farm system is in pretty poor shape compared to years past. I don’t know if they have the elite prospects necessary to make a run at Jimenez. Judging by the offers being rumored, it’d be hard for the Sox to put together a good enough package.

by ThomasG on Jul 28, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm yeah, I kinda forgot they gave up a bunch to get Gonzalez, plus some of the prospects have graduated to MLB

when you put it that way, Bedard looks really desirable because they’d probably get an upgrade in the rotation and make back the prospect with the Type-B comp pick he’d likely garner

by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a pretty weak year.

Their top five prospects are a good-hitting catcher that can’t catch, a defensive savant SS that can’t hit, two injured guys and Ranaudo.

by ThomasG on Jul 28, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you start with Ranaudo and toss in an MLB player or two, they'd have to at least listen

with the amount of money the Rockies have tied up in guys like Tulo, I can’t imagine they’re chomping at the bit for the Ubaldo contract negotiations

by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I like Ranaudo (and I really, really do), he's not an elite prospect.

I’d imagine if the Sox ponied up one of their major leaguers like Reddick or Lowrie, they could bridge the gap but, if I were the Rockies GM, I’d be looking for something a bit better than a Ranaudo+stuff deal.

by ThomasG on Jul 28, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh. I'd forgotten that Hagadone was no longer in their system

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 28, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't it really unlikely that Bedard will be a Type B FA because of his injury history?

They go by the past 2 years, and his past 2 years have been riddled with injury.

by HititHere on Jul 28, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much teams base their Bedard fever on this one start.

He put up an early body of work showing that his velocity and stuff were there but still coated finely with rust. Then he showed that he was able to shake the rust off and be pretty much what he used to be. With an injury outside of the shoulder/arm but some time away, we should expect a little rust, right? If it were me, I’d be fine with him as long as he had velocity and movement even if he doesn’t pitch that well.

by abender20 on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know if this has been said before.....

But does anyone think that GMZ shut him down to save his arm, given that he hasn’t pitched a full season in eons?

by sliderinside on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to the post.....

“He has pitched like an ace for two months”
The big knock on Bedard has been his durability. He clearly still knows how to pitch, but knowing how to pitch doesn’t do anyone, including the M’s, any good if parts start falling off in early September. Give him a few weeks off and he might last into October?

by sliderinside on Jul 28, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

How would teams know that? And shutting him down while the Mariners were in contention

in order to possibly save him for later just makes no sense. It’s illogical.

by Matthew on Jul 28, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bedard is so soft

Seriously, and he’s wimping out with an “injury” around the trade deadline, seems pretty obvious he’s just trying to bury his stock so he can stay with Seattle. A cunning, me first, move by a selfish player, seriously, what a waste he’s been.

by BQueezy on Jul 28, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Not relativly new

Been posting/reading for years just fairly infrequent so I don’t have name recognition like ya’ll.

Rest assured, it’s a joke.

by BQueezy on Jul 28, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhh well I shoulda guessed

I’m not from the northwest so I don’t get much local talk, this and USSM are my only Mariners sources I trust.

by BQueezy on Jul 28, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was so masterfully crafted I could not tell it wasn't taken directly from KJR.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 28, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So if two of the Fister/Vargas/Bedard troika is traded

Who gets called up to fill the rotation spot? French? Robertson?

by ManifestDestiny on Jul 28, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

One would presumably go to Beavan.

I want the other spot to go to Anthony Vasquez.

3.88 tRA for Tacoma, 33.1 IP, .222 avg against, 27/12 K/BB. Hasn’t pitched under six innings since arriving in Tacoma, last three starts have him at six runs (five earned) in 20.2 IP, 15 H, 19/5 K/BB

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He also did surprisingly well jumping from High Desert to Tacoma's bullpen in that emergency stint.

I’m not quite confident enough with him to think he’s the guy, having pitched one game in the high minors, but his long term potential exceeds that of Vasquez.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 28, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I know, I used to heart Bobby Livingston, but Vasquez

throws mid-80s, touches 86-87. Realllly slow off-speed stuff.

He’s been great in AAA, and he’s had a much better year than I would’ve thought, and I love the adjustments he made after struggling in AA, but I think expectations would have to be really low.

French and Robertson seem broken. French is moderately better right now and he’s on the 40-man, so he’d probably get the call. The other option would be to give the start to Aaron Laffey and bring up Cesar Jimenez to fill Laffey’s bullpen role.

by marc w on Jul 28, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vasquez' ceiling is serviceable, not necessarily good.

On the other hand, he’s exceeded expectations all the way up the ladder and he’s knocking on the door as an eighteenth round pick from the same draft as Ackley and Seager. It seems like the fairy dust hasn’t worn off yet, so it’s worth a shot.

Anyway, we outrighted Jimenez a while ago so I don’t think that we would move Laffey as you’ve said. Plus there was enough dicking around and moving him from one spot to the next on his old team, which never did him any favors. Here, he’s fine.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 28, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

My argument is simple:

You have French, Robertson and Jimenez. You can either pick amongst them to find the starter who’d be less bad, or you can just say: “I want to minimize the innings any of these guys pitch.”

I hate the notion that a long reliever is “comfortable” in his role and that starting, which he did last year, would traumatize him. That’s not your argument, I realize, but fuck, we’re talking about a lost season and a handful of starts. I think the gap between Laffey and, say, French is real and sizeable, so that’s what I would do.

Jimenez was outrighted, but so was Robertson. It’s French unless you want to get creative. And if that’s the choice, then I’m going to break out my interpretive dancing shoes.

by marc w on Jul 28, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pineda's innings are also being limited.

Say hello to Chris Seddon!

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by perfectstrat on Jul 28, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Seddon isn't on the 40 man

The easy move is to get French. It’s not a great move, I know, but it’s pretty tough to argue that Seddon’s a whole lot better.

by marc w on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a possibility, but it still strikes me as an odd one

If the M’s send one of the troika out, they had better get a 40-man player and not a kid who’s looked good in short season ball. If they trade two guys on the 40 man (Bedard and League) for someone like Lavarnway AND a kid who’s looked good in SS ball, they have a spot on the roster, but isn’t it more likely to go to someone like Wily Mo Pena than to a spot starter with a FIP near 6?

by marc w on Jul 29, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Presumably the trade agreement would specify

which team is responsible for remaining bonuses, surgeries, and Slurpees.

by isaac_spaceman on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

We might have to toss in more, actually

Like another $6 mil. Figgins looks like a replacement player at this point. If the team receiving Bedard is on the hook for all his unvested bonus money he’ll be paid less than he’s worth, but not a whole lot less. The deal above would be made assuming Figgins bounces back some. And Bedard makes all of his starts.

But if we can get a bidding war going between the Yanks and Red Sox…who knows? Hell, what’s $6 million to the Yankees?

by short on Jul 28, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

If the Red Sox or Yankees could ‘buy’ Bedard, they might jump at it. Heck, I’d even try to throw in Jack Wilson.

by Snuffleupagus on Jul 28, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without knowing what Bedard on his own fetches,

the above trade would disappoint me. It’s sacrificing the Bedard return in order to shave $11 million of (assumed) dead weight off the payroll over a two-year span with a weak free agent market upcoming.

by Matthew on Jul 28, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hadn't even thought about trying to jam them with Figgins.

That’s genius. They could use a utility IF. And, they’re a team that does have deep enough pockets to swallow more of his contract than, let’s say, Cincinnati could.

by ICANHIT on Jul 28, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have the prospects.

I hate watching Chone Figgins a lot, but salary dump is the least sexy of all sorts of trades. I’d rather overpay Figgins and get a B prospect than pay half his salary and add a relief pitcher and utility infielder.

by philosofool on Jul 28, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you want, you could think of it as the saved salary could go in to our international signing fund

If we manage to save around $10 million, that’s 4 quality international prospects.

by UW2010 on Jul 28, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't believe it works this way.

The money comes from separate pots.

by abender20 on Jul 29, 2011 9:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

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