Red Sox Find Erik Bedard Desirable, Wish To See More Of Him
I've been spending so much time lately dealing with other teams' rumors that I might as well tackle the Mariners' own while I'm at it. What do we have today? This, from Ken Rosenthal:
The Seattle Mariners had two scouts watching the Boston Red Sox’s Triple-A affiliate on Wednesday night and one watching the Sox’s Double-A club, according to major league sources.
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The Sox are "all over" Bedard, one source said, and both the Sox and New York Yankees are expected to scout Bedard on Friday night.
This isn't really anything we didn't already know - we can expect Bedard to be heavily scouted on Friday as he returns from the DL, because it's his one and only start before the deadline. And it isn't surprising that the Mariners have had scouts observing the affiliates of a possible trade partner, because that's just due diligence.
Still, it's interesting to look at the landscape of starting pitcher options right now. Ubaldo Jimenez is out there, but he would cost an exorbitant sum. Hiroki Kuroda is out there, but he has a full no-trade clause and isn't wild about leaving Los Angeles. Aaron Harang is out there, but he isn't very good. Jeremy Guthrie is out there, but he isn't very good. Jason Marquis is out there, but he isn't very good. Wandy Rodriguez is out there, but he'd cost a lot. Kevin Slowey is out there, but he isn't very good.
And so on. There are a lot of contending teams in search of starting pitching, but there isn't a lot of quality, affordable starting pitching to be had. Which is what makes Bedard so interesting. Bedard's health history is terrible. Just terrible. But he has all the talent in the world, and before he sustained a minor knee injury, he was pitching like an ace for two months. There's no other pitcher on the market that I know of who combines Bedard's ability with his presumptive reasonable cost, except maybe Rich Harden, who's a bigger risk.
So you can understand why he's drawing so much attention. Sure, a team could flip a C prospect for Aaron Harang, but what if it took a B or B+ prospect to get Erik Bedard? And what if Erik Bedard pitched like an ace down the stretch and in the playoffs? How often does a team have the opportunity to land an ace-level pitcher without paying an ace-level price?
Bedard's start on Friday is critical. Maybe not so much the results, but the appearance. If he's healthy and his stuff looks sharp, that could and should spark a bidding war. I don't know what the Mariners might be able to come away with, but it would be a player with promise.
Jon Heyman tweeted earlier that the Mariners haven't ruled out re-signing Bedard. It's evident that the Mariners like him, and it's more evident that Bedard really likes the Mariners. But, to me, this reads like strategy. Something the Mariners tell suitors in an attempt to raise Bedard's price. They could always re-sign Bedard in the offseason, and given how well he's pitched so far, he might end up out of their price range.
Anyway, there's a lot to think about, and there are a lot of ways this could go. Bedard's no guarantee to get dealt, especially if he looks bad or has a setback or whatever, but from the sounds of things, there's enough interest out there that, if Bedard does get moved, he should bring back a real talent.
As for Rosenthal's mention of the interest in Doug Fister, I suppose that's best left for another post that I may or may not write. We'll see!
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Well this is incredibly exciting
I mean I’d be happy with trading Bedard to the Red Sox for a promising prospect, or resigning him.
by ungoreatstefan on Jul 28, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions
I am totally on board with trading Bedard and Vargas
If big Jack Z can get some young power bats that would be awesome in exchange for these guys. I know he was a center piece of the NYY Lee deal that fell through last year, but I would love to get their catcher Montero from the yankees for one of these guys. I wouldn’t mind seeing Bedard resign with the M’s in the off season if he decides to come back. Guess well see what happens this weekend.
by mariseanerhawk on Jul 28, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
I believe this borders on rosterbation
Please don’t take us down this road. Pretty please
by Robby The Kid on Jul 28, 2011 11:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah. Considering the thread topic, he didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 28, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
But he was talking about how he'd like to see a trade to New York for Montero
Where this topic was about the Red Sox being in on Bedard.
by ungoreatstefan on Jul 28, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I was encompassing the quoted story...
“The Sox are “all over” Bedard, one source said, and both the Sox and New York Yankees are expected to scout Bedard on Friday night."
It’s usually pretty safe to guess that if Bostons scouting talent then the Yankees aren’t far behind. Granted it’s not likely NY is going to trade Montero for Bedard straight up, but there is numerous options.
by mariseanerhawk on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why we should have only signed Felix to one year deals at a time
so we could do this every trade deadline.
Stupid [insert contending team with good prospects] in [insert year]!!
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Failure to come up with cunning strategies like this is just one more reason why GMZ should be fired
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you realize how strong those magnets would have to be?
leave it to you damn doctors to make us engineers figure out the ridiculous solutions for your stupid ideas
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Madden Bus.
You engineers lack imagination.
Wait--I thought Poochie was a D'backs fan...?
by Matt Erickson on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah yes, that's right
I remember that meltdown. :) It almost overheated my laptop.
by Matt Erickson on Jul 28, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
As exciting as it will be to watch him on Friday...
I know I’ll be watching and wondering “if only” the whole time, with regards to his knee. Sure it’s a waste of energy when you’re talking about Bedard, but then frustration is mostly what he’s given us.
I like Bedard and hope we re-sign him after this season.
If GMZ sees value coming back then I’m okay with it. However, if he goes to Boston or New York I don’t see us being able to resign him.
Fister is ours and you can't have him!
by FaceRuiner on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I agree. I love that lanky son of a gun.
I’m waiting for Fister-Fest. Like the King’s court with with stilts!
by sea-townie on Jul 28, 2011 12:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There's two scenarios in which I would be happy with this weekend: We trade Bedard for any half-decent prospect, or we re-sign Bedard on a reasonably priced deal to keep him around.
Now, I know the re-signing is not going to happen because that just never really happens at this point in season.
So, I just want to move him and move on. We like him and he likes us, great, come back Bedard. But we don’t need you this year, and frankly, why don’t you go pitch in the playoffs for somebody? Wouldn’t that be nice? Come back and tell us what it’s like.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 28, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions
One more arm surgery and the next one's free!
by Matthew on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
He forgot his punch card on the dresser :(
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
He cannot have forgotten his punch card every single time
no one is that forgetful
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm, might be a brain problem.
Brain surgery! That’s 20 bonus points for the month!
Oh great, now the engineers are trying to play doctor
this is worse than when the analysts try to play scout
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
God if you want it that bad, I'll just buy you the Consecration flavored slurpee
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait is this a thing? I'll go kick Bedard in the shin if that's the case.
by abender20 on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you want me to pour ice and a bottle of Consecration in a blender?
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I should put Cable Car, Speedway and vanilla ice cream in the blender and see what happens
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh whoops looks like I forgot to put the top on the blender and now there's beer and ice cream all over the walls!
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
DQ doesn't have a liquor license
what do you think this is, a Chipotle?
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It could be a Panera.
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by perfectstrat on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
All of my Consecration isn't good until winter.
But when December comes around I want to try this. Good idea.
7-11's free slurpee day has come and gone.
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by perfectstrat on Jul 28, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Best case scenario?
Bedard gets traded for a nice piece, then resigns with the Mariners in the off-season.
You know what I think the mariners should do?
They should trade Bedard and then resign him in the offseason, IT’S ALL SO OBVIOUS!
We should trade him and insist we get a PTBNL and then make the PTBNL Erik Bedard
just like the Cardinals are doing with Rasmus
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Forever linking Bedard with the unforgettable Harry Chiti and Dickie Noles
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by Steve Nelson on Jul 28, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I mentioned this in the OT Thread but, given the recent setback to Buchholz, the Sox have a more pressing need for a (good) SP now.
As Ubaldo will most likely cost the most, that leaves Bedard as the best bang for the buck, so to speak.
Bedard is also the most risk for the buck.
Fister should be looking pretty enticing right now.
I'd probably be more sad if Seattle traded Fister than if they traded Pineda
by Matthew on Jul 28, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
True but Bedard offers more performance
Fister on the Sox would probably be their fourth- or fifth-best starter. Bedard, if Buchholz doesn’t return would become their third-best.
I thought we learned with last years Cy Young winner
That wins, and ergo win % does not matter when talking about pitching?
by Sounders4life on Jul 28, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
True
But in the AL, a pitcher can only control so much of the story
by Sounders4life on Jul 28, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, but you would also think the Red Sox are in the best position to pay for Ubaldo, as they have a huge cashflow
as well as a strong farm system that could make up for the loss of several top prospects. I know, selling the farm every year for players will backfire eventually, but when you have a large competitive resource advantage, they should probably use it
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't have enough down on the farm to get him.
Their farm system is in pretty poor shape compared to years past. I don’t know if they have the elite prospects necessary to make a run at Jimenez. Judging by the offers being rumored, it’d be hard for the Sox to put together a good enough package.
Hm yeah, I kinda forgot they gave up a bunch to get Gonzalez, plus some of the prospects have graduated to MLB
when you put it that way, Bedard looks really desirable because they’d probably get an upgrade in the rotation and make back the prospect with the Type-B comp pick he’d likely garner
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's a pretty weak year.
Their top five prospects are a good-hitting catcher that can’t catch, a defensive savant SS that can’t hit, two injured guys and Ranaudo.
If you start with Ranaudo and toss in an MLB player or two, they'd have to at least listen
with the amount of money the Rockies have tied up in guys like Tulo, I can’t imagine they’re chomping at the bit for the Ubaldo contract negotiations
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I like Ranaudo (and I really, really do), he's not an elite prospect.
I’d imagine if the Sox ponied up one of their major leaguers like Reddick or Lowrie, they could bridge the gap but, if I were the Rockies GM, I’d be looking for something a bit better than a Ranaudo+stuff deal.
Huh. I'd forgotten that Hagadone was no longer in their system
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
Isn't it really unlikely that Bedard will be a Type B FA because of his injury history?
They go by the past 2 years, and his past 2 years have been riddled with injury.
I wonder how much teams base their Bedard fever on this one start.
He put up an early body of work showing that his velocity and stuff were there but still coated finely with rust. Then he showed that he was able to shake the rust off and be pretty much what he used to be. With an injury outside of the shoulder/arm but some time away, we should expect a little rust, right? If it were me, I’d be fine with him as long as he had velocity and movement even if he doesn’t pitch that well.
I imagine they just want to see proof that Bedard is healthy again and not favoring his leg or something
He’ll be on a pitch count, but let’s hope for five steady innings.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If he doesn't showcase well, the radio folks will talk about him tanking it just because he's selfish and doesn't want to leave.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
We've established that he's selfish, it's just a matter of rationalizing all of his behavior around that basic fact.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 28, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Will this fact be cemented if Ichiro and Bedard sit in the front seat of the bus?
by sea-townie on Jul 28, 2011 12:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's the plan:
We get someone to invite him over for dinner. Have everyone involved try to eat slowly. Then, when he’s finished, offer him seconds. If he bites, he’s selfish.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
I don't know if this has been said before.....
But does anyone think that GMZ shut him down to save his arm, given that he hasn’t pitched a full season in eons?
by sliderinside on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would we do that if we're trying to trade him?
it’s hard to evaluate something you can’t see
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
According to the post.....
“He has pitched like an ace for two months”
The big knock on Bedard has been his durability. He clearly still knows how to pitch, but knowing how to pitch doesn’t do anyone, including the M’s, any good if parts start falling off in early September. Give him a few weeks off and he might last into October?
by sliderinside on Jul 28, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
How would teams know that? And shutting him down while the Mariners were in contention
in order to possibly save him for later just makes no sense. It’s illogical.
by Matthew on Jul 28, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it might have been a gimmick
to keep Bedards innings down for the stretch while showcasing Beavan and whatever young outfielder hit well as trade bait. At least that was the conspirator thinking…
Bedard is so soft
Seriously, and he’s wimping out with an “injury” around the trade deadline, seems pretty obvious he’s just trying to bury his stock so he can stay with Seattle. A cunning, me first, move by a selfish player, seriously, what a waste he’s been.
Not relativly new
Been posting/reading for years just fairly infrequent so I don’t have name recognition like ya’ll.
Rest assured, it’s a joke.
Ahhh well I shoulda guessed
I’m not from the northwest so I don’t get much local talk, this and USSM are my only Mariners sources I trust.
It was so masterfully crafted I could not tell it wasn't taken directly from KJR.
How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?
So how would Bedard's bonuses work if he were to be traded?
Seattle pays all the ones he passed when he was with us and his new team pays any that he passes when he’s with them?
So if two of the Fister/Vargas/Bedard troika is traded
Who gets called up to fill the rotation spot? French? Robertson?
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 28, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
One would presumably go to Beavan.
I want the other spot to go to Anthony Vasquez.
3.88 tRA for Tacoma, 33.1 IP, .222 avg against, 27/12 K/BB. Hasn’t pitched under six innings since arriving in Tacoma, last three starts have him at six runs (five earned) in 20.2 IP, 15 H, 19/5 K/BB
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He also did surprisingly well jumping from High Desert to Tacoma's bullpen in that emergency stint.
I’m not quite confident enough with him to think he’s the guy, having pitched one game in the high minors, but his long term potential exceeds that of Vasquez.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 28, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, I know, I used to heart Bobby Livingston, but Vasquez
throws mid-80s, touches 86-87. Realllly slow off-speed stuff.
He’s been great in AAA, and he’s had a much better year than I would’ve thought, and I love the adjustments he made after struggling in AA, but I think expectations would have to be really low.
French and Robertson seem broken. French is moderately better right now and he’s on the 40-man, so he’d probably get the call. The other option would be to give the start to Aaron Laffey and bring up Cesar Jimenez to fill Laffey’s bullpen role.
Vasquez' ceiling is serviceable, not necessarily good.
On the other hand, he’s exceeded expectations all the way up the ladder and he’s knocking on the door as an eighteenth round pick from the same draft as Ackley and Seager. It seems like the fairy dust hasn’t worn off yet, so it’s worth a shot.
Anyway, we outrighted Jimenez a while ago so I don’t think that we would move Laffey as you’ve said. Plus there was enough dicking around and moving him from one spot to the next on his old team, which never did him any favors. Here, he’s fine.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors
by JY on Jul 28, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
My argument is simple:
You have French, Robertson and Jimenez. You can either pick amongst them to find the starter who’d be less bad, or you can just say: “I want to minimize the innings any of these guys pitch.”
I hate the notion that a long reliever is “comfortable” in his role and that starting, which he did last year, would traumatize him. That’s not your argument, I realize, but fuck, we’re talking about a lost season and a handful of starts. I think the gap between Laffey and, say, French is real and sizeable, so that’s what I would do.
Jimenez was outrighted, but so was Robertson. It’s French unless you want to get creative. And if that’s the choice, then I’m going to break out my interpretive dancing shoes.
Breaking the Luke French emergency glass is something we probably don't want to do
by abender20 on Jul 28, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Pineda's innings are also being limited.
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by perfectstrat on Jul 28, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Seddon isn't on the 40 man
The easy move is to get French. It’s not a great move, I know, but it’s pretty tough to argue that Seddon’s a whole lot better.
That's a possibility, but it still strikes me as an odd one
If the M’s send one of the troika out, they had better get a 40-man player and not a kid who’s looked good in short season ball. If they trade two guys on the 40 man (Bedard and League) for someone like Lavarnway AND a kid who’s looked good in SS ball, they have a spot on the roster, but isn’t it more likely to go to someone like Wily Mo Pena than to a spot starter with a FIP near 6?
Presumably the trade agreement would specify
which team is responsible for remaining bonuses, surgeries, and Slurpees.
by isaac_spaceman on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
Bedard + Figgins + $6mil over 2 years
For a bag of balls.
by mebpenguin on Jul 28, 2011 3:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think that Bedard + Figgins for nothing might actually be a fair trade.
by Snuffleupagus on Jul 28, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
We might have to toss in more, actually
Like another $6 mil. Figgins looks like a replacement player at this point. If the team receiving Bedard is on the hook for all his unvested bonus money he’ll be paid less than he’s worth, but not a whole lot less. The deal above would be made assuming Figgins bounces back some. And Bedard makes all of his starts.
But if we can get a bidding war going between the Yanks and Red Sox…who knows? Hell, what’s $6 million to the Yankees?
Exactly.
If the Red Sox or Yankees could ‘buy’ Bedard, they might jump at it. Heck, I’d even try to throw in Jack Wilson.
by Snuffleupagus on Jul 28, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Without knowing what Bedard on his own fetches,
the above trade would disappoint me. It’s sacrificing the Bedard return in order to shave $11 million of (assumed) dead weight off the payroll over a two-year span with a weak free agent market upcoming.
by Matthew on Jul 28, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We can use that money to sign a high risk, high reward player like Erik Bedard!
...and now I'm here
I hadn't even thought about trying to jam them with Figgins.
That’s genius. They could use a utility IF. And, they’re a team that does have deep enough pockets to swallow more of his contract than, let’s say, Cincinnati could.
I'd rather have the prospects.
I hate watching Chone Figgins a lot, but salary dump is the least sexy of all sorts of trades. I’d rather overpay Figgins and get a B prospect than pay half his salary and add a relief pitcher and utility infielder.
If you want, you could think of it as the saved salary could go in to our international signing fund
If we manage to save around $10 million, that’s 4 quality international prospects.
I don't believe it works this way.
The money comes from separate pots.
by abender20 on Jul 29, 2011 9:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this idea has turned into a dead meme.
Fuck the Angels

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