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OT for July 14th -- the thoughtful, helpful kind.

After my experience with the helpful, kindly folks here, how about a new OT, with more space for help & kindliness:

Day trip suggestions, with Seattle as the starting point, for someone who may be taking the occasional Fridays off this summer, in lieu of a real vacation?

Food you never thought you'd like, and were pleasantly surprised when it was cooked right?


Advice, and advice you'd wish you had gotten?

Online services everyone should have?

Help Faux script retarded crap in Powershell?

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Hey if I spoke Russian I would move to Siberia in a heartbeat.

It’s much easier to warm yourself up when it’s cold outside then it is to cool your self off when it’s hot outside. The cold is a lot less uncomfortable than the heat as well.

by Coach Owens on Jul 14, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I do the same

Cold weather is so much easier to deal with. And the weather we’re having lately? It’s perfect. It isn’t too hot, even when the sun is out, and the occasional rain or drizzle feels great when outside. It’s not like it’s 50 out and you need a jacket, it’s just a bit cool for the time of year

by tootthekazoo on Jul 14, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, I could go for an extended streak of sunshine.

This “it might rain, it might not” has made making plans difficult. You can’t really stain your deck when it’s a 50/50 chance of rain all the time.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somebody said this in the last thread and I completely agree

I know what I signed up for when I moved back to the NW. I just want what I signed up for. Cold rain in mid-July is not what I signed up for; July, Aug, and Sep are supposed to be the nice months. that’s not too much to ask.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can deal with bad weather, I have for years

but this streak of gloom since November is grating on me for the first time ever. I can’t recall ever being this annoyed with the weather.

by BrianL on Jul 14, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I WANT SUN

I’m even OK with it being sunny and 72 degrees – in fact, that’d be perfect. I just don’t think looking out the window in mid-July and seeing October is any good.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

As Thingray said above, it also makes planning anything difficult.

I like knowing that, for several months of the year, I can plan hiking or camping or beach trips, and have a reasonable chance of sunny and warm.

I spend an enormous amount of time walking around in the rain and gloom already, I don’t want to be doing that on my vacations/day trips.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon man, I'll hike anywhere regardless of weather.

I can’t tell you how much snow I’ve trudged through over the past couple of months.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd still hike or camp.

But it’s the projects at home that require dry weather that are killing me. My wife wants me to get them done, but I need a solid week of dry weather, combined with the free time to do them.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy snow hiking.

I do not enjoy rain hiking. I take public transportation to work every day and hike up and down Seattle hills in the rain A LOT.

When I plan a hiking trip, I don’t want cold and rainy… I don’t want to feel like I’m trudging up a hill in the cold and rain so I can go to work. I want to feel some sun on my face and enjoy a view or something nice.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

100% agreed.

Yes, PNW weather is often chilly and overcast. But I need SOME sun to keep me going, and I signed up for at least 2 months of sun per year.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That last one was more of a joke, but sure.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Actually to invert one of those questions, what's the worst advice or anecdote you've ever gotten from an adult while growing up?

For me it’s a tossup between “Your high school years are the best years of your life” and “Ignore bullies, they’ll leave you alone if they don’t get a reaction.”

by BrianL on Jul 14, 2011 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

"You have to go to college."

I wish they’d give that up already.

Oh, and “Everyone needs to own a home.”

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read an interview with him on a plane once

where he made some good points about how the push for everyone to go to college is reducing the number of people skilled in other areas like electricians etc.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 14, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

There was such a push by the parents who never had the chance to go to school, eager to give their kids a 'better life' that it threw the balance off in the other direction.

it would be wonderful if there was a better balance matching interests & abilities, but it likely won’t happen until the ‘my child is so special’ parents are grandparents. maybe.

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I blame Ayn Rand

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 14, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

On the other end of the spectrum...

I’ve met kids from India who came over as grad students and told me that unless they went into medicine or computer programming, they were considered miserable failures. So they all get funneled into one or two fields regardless of talents or interests, and we have the spread of options available, but our graduates often think they’re better at what they do than they really are and everyone is so individually special that work work which actually pays money (like being an electrician) is frowned upon.

I’d like to think there’s a happy medium between those two viewpoints, but I doubt it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough, you see this manifested on the cooking competition shows

“yes I am a lawyer and a doctor, but what I really want to do is cook”

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's really sad too.

The current season of master chef (I think) has a lady in that situation and she seems like she is a really good cook.

by d0nkey on Jul 14, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

On that note

“You have to go to grad school”

was the worst advice I’ve ever received- at this point it’s been far more of a career setback than a helper.

- on the flip side

“Don’t go to grad school unless you have full funding and/or are stupid and don’t mind getting in a mountain of debt” is advice I really wish I had received.

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could have nice entry level job in a part of the country I love as a GIS Tech making $40-50K a year

instead I’m working graveyard night audit at a resort in fucking Arizona for $12/hr while going to grad school and seeing my GIS skills slowly fade away

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

$30-$40K/year

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's a GIS Tech?

I can’t help reading this and thinking of you as an intense, highly trained Google Image Search technician.

by Chris Hafner on Jul 14, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Geographic Information Systems Technician

The use of GIS for Google Image Search constantly throws me

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I spent summers creating watershed maps for a science teacher from GIS data when I was in HS.

If I hadn’t been into the more technical side of it, I would have seriously thought about going into GIS work myself. It’s such a detail job that so many things rely on.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah and I loved every part of it- it fit my sort of skillset like a glove (passion for geography, good with computers) and without sounding vain I was really, really good at it.

I was talked into going to grad school because if you go into GIS you can get pigeonholed and the upward mobility is limited- you’re pretty much capped at about $60-70K per year.

But I should have worried about that 10 years from now when ready to move up in the world.

I went to a job interview the other day and they were like “Oh, you haven’t fired up the software in 8 months?”

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the guise of an atrociously-formed sentence!

Writing in programming languages has ruined me for normal conversation. Now I understand where Scruffy gets it from.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

select wisdom_jar from faux.brain

where topic.brain in (‘MIS’,‘GIS’,‘software’,‘education’)
and relevance = ‘yes’

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

I wish relevance was that easy to code. There’s a reason Google is where it is.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

About that flip side...

It varied from field to field, so I’m basically talking just about my own shit here, but for years there was a tradition of at least trying to rank the MFA programs in terms of quality. This seems weird because you’re taking an art that’s largely subjective and then thinking up a hypothetical average MFA student that it’s going to work for, so the premise is already a bad one. Still, it seems that one should be able to talk about certain things like quality of instructors, their reputation, quality of life, course offerings, teaching offerings, and of course, funding. Except that when I was going through the rankings in detail, I realized that 1) the guy compiling them was crowdsourcing, for the most part, and 2) all those people in the crowd, who were already special snowflakes anyway (these are writers we’re talking about), didn’t give a goddamn about anything else but funding and having people throw a huge amount of money at them. So, it seems like there are a lot of schools out there where the instruction is of middling or slightly better ability, but they somehow have the resources to fund people, and those schools rocket up the chart whereas, say, UW, which has a ton of accolades for the individual staff members and a reputation going back to the Roethke days, plummets because you pretty much have no chance of getting any money the first year. Kind of boggling.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm glad I went to college, but I got most of what I wanted out of it.

All my friends who had computer science degrees, sure, it may have helped then practice and whatnot, but in the end no one cared about said degrees or asked to see them and the practice was only going to take them so far. They needed to be able to program, plain and simple.

As for home ownership, it really bugs me out that people my age are already getting into homes when they barely have careers.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I waited until I was 36 to buy a home,

but I honestly wish I could have done it earlier. Just for the simple fact that it would have been paid off when I was younger. But it’s not like I have early retirement plans, so it’s okay. Besides, I’ll just keep making little extra payments and get it paid off earlier anyway.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Home ownership is an interesting conundrum

There are many benefits, but also many risks especially for young people. A few years out of college, our job security is lower, and our desire to cut bait and move/start a new career/be unemployed and party is higher.

Having experienced both, I can say without a doubt that buying a home is a bigger commitment than marriage. And arguably is more life-changing.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

*thanks.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm probably not that much younger than you!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not!

I just feel old, and creeping closer to 30 doesn’t help.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad advice that I blindly blame most of my lifes struggles on:

“It’s okay if you’re not good at math and sciences, focus on writing instead.”

Yeah, that worked out great.

by sanford_and_son on Jul 14, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

I was a humanities person through high school and college, but if I could go back in time now I’d spend my teenage summers studying math.

by katal on Jul 14, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

When people I went to Puyallup High School with who majored in Chemistry are making over 50 bucks an hour, I made some poor life choices.

by sanford_and_son on Jul 14, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

See, my problem has always been that while I was ok at math and pretty good at sciences, and enjoy reading ABOUT them.

I found actually engaging in those subjects boring as hell. The idea of dedicating a career to something I find that tedious, no matter how smart financially, filled my heart with dread. I knew after about five years I’d just want to kill myself and be back where I started.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly the way I felt about things

Space and volcanoes and such are really cool, but the intricacies of the science involved in those fields are in no way the interesting part.

It’s why I loved doing debate, I could learn about science all the time without ever having to do the grunt math and science work myself.

by PhyllisPhallus on Jul 14, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the more apt advice is "You'll never get better at something unless you work at it"

“It’s OK if you’re not good at X” is shorthand for “I want to make you feel better now at the expense of later on”

I would say I wish every parent was force to read this article, but most wouldn’t get the point of it, and more than a few would take it the exact opposite way. (Thanks again, Delivereads!)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love this.
Based on what he sees in his practice, Bohn believes many parents will do anything to avoid having their kids experience even mild discomfort, anxiety, or disappointment—"anything less than pleasant," as he puts it—with the result that when, as adults, they experience the normal frustrations of life, they think something must be terribly wrong.

It’s so true. And while it stings to see your child struggle or face difficulty, it’s much better in the long term if they learn how to deal with things.

by Chris Hafner on Jul 14, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that was very interesting

As an adult I came to appreciate my mother’s technique whenever we got physically hurt as kids— a little sympathy and a matter-of-fact way of fixing it. I found I then responded in the same way as an adult, which really pointed up the people I knew who had mild hysterics whenever something happened and whose kids now react in just the same way…

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

This probably leads to the current scheme of grade inflation in schools...

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

My 5th grade teacher roommate has to work with the other teachers in her group to only allow one F or D per marking period per child.

The rest of the classes have to all be Cs or above.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

(facepalm)

I mean, I got Fs in junior high, but I damned well deserved them. Wasn’t there a day when C was suppose to be average?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's two different things there though

I am a firm believer that the best way to teach your kid that the stove is hot and shouldn’t be touched is to let him touch it. Not in a mean way, but I’m not going to run to my nephew’s defense when he’s headed for a hot stove, because he’s got to learn at some point.

The other thing, though is the whole “it’s OK if you’re not good at X”. I firmly believe this is true, in all parts of life. I’m not good at math, and I’m not good at spatial context – I couldn’t put an IKEA product together from the instructions if you put a gun to my head. And I don’t for one second feel bad about that, or feel like it makes me less of a person, or whatever, nor do I need someone to pat me on the head and say “that’s OK, you’re still a special snowflake in my book”.

Life is about finding what you are good at, not about forcing yourself to be good at something you’re not because it’s marketable.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

But you are a special snowflake.

We just don’t want you playing with the hammer honey…

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you know I totally agree with you and I definitely think everyone should embrace whatever makes them unique.

It’s just that because I chose to do that, I’m stuck sucking dicks for quarters until the economy gets better, if it ever fucking does.

by sanford_and_son on Jul 14, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quarters, you say?

I’ll have to email you when I make my next trip out west.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

As a guy who loves writing and was a humanities major, I can totally understand.

It didn’t stop me from getting some technical knowledge and going to into IT to pay the bills.

Yeah, it’s not great, but it took me about a year of suffering after college before I realized that my occupation doesn’t define me and I can be happy in spite of whatever my chosen profession was.

It’s a very small slice of the population that can really make a good living at their dream job.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you have both of those skills, I'd say you need to start writing manuals for web services.

Because if there was something I could point all the tards at my work toward, it would make my life so much easier.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have written a huge number of manuals, instructions, and help documents in my current position

I really enjoy it, though it’s basically what I do in my free time and is unrelated to my actual job duties.

There was a time when I tried really hard to get a technical writing job, but my tech skills weren’t enough to land me any positions. Now that I have a few more years of tech experience I could probably nab one, but tons of what I see is contract stuff and I’m reluctant to leave a full time job for anything temp/contract.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do it now while you still can. Once you get settled into something you're fucked for the rest of your life.

I’m almost to that point and the house is slowly sucking the will to change out of me.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm right with you.

Only 28, and almost at the point of no return—I own a house and make enough money/have enough bills that it will be exceedingly difficult to redirect my career.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

We might be the same person.

What’s your stance on mayo?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wrote a SharePoint manual!

“SharePoint fucking sucks and is pointless. Never use it.”

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 14, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Learn .Net and get a copy of Visual Studio, and you too can be set for life!

Making addons that companies will pay dearly for because their mandated SharePoint instance doesn’t actually do anything of value on its own!

(Note: This offer may destroy any and all humanity you once had)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point was more giving the effort option instead of just allowing kids to just give up on something.

Everyone should have the experience at least a couple times in their life of not being good at something, being forced to do it anyways, and figuring out that it just took a little bit of work and now you’re good at it.

On the other side of the same coin, there should also be the lesson that sometimes you can’t do something, and then you have to try anyways and fail, just to know that you do have limits.

But the point is pushing to follow through with the effort, to not just give up in the beginning. Once you’re an adult and have the experience to know what you can’t do, by all means don’t do things. But as a kid, it should be imperative for the parents to push the issue.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

My youngest SUCKS at sports,

but it still makes me angry that he won’t at least try.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you suck, and you know you suck, it pretty much turns sports into a punishment.

I was forced to do sports as a kid, and I was terrible and absolutely hated it. It pretty much killed my enjoyment of sports in any form for several years, until i was in the middle of college.

by joof on Jul 14, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

But my son isn't forced to play sports like "sign up for football at school" or anything.

It’s more like we’re at family reunion, and we’re all playing catch with a nerf ball, and he won’t even toss it to a little kid. Or, we’re at the bowling alley, and he won’t even throw one ball.

He seems to think that unless he can “win”, he won’t even bother to play.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That article is indeed fantastic.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 14, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Don't worry, you'll grow out of the baby fat."

Uhh.. no. Nutrition doesn’t quite work like that.

follow @casetines

by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well metabolism can

You do have to put the cookies down and get off the couch during your formative years. Don’t worry, the TV will still be there when you get back.

by Drew_D on Jul 14, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Drayer with a "Now what?" post

for the second half.

I got to hear Olney casually tossing around names like Heath Bell to the Rangers and Carlos Pena to the Angels this morning. He was just speculating, but even so…

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't care much for the Yankees or Jeter's 3000th hit

but the guy that returned that ball is having the time of his life

4 Suite tickets for the rest of the season
Random Jeter stuff
$50,000
2009 Yankees WS Championship ring
5% of earnings off of Yankee gear for the next week from Modell’s Sporting Goods
oh and a lifetime discount card for Modell’s Sporting Goods

Some people say he’s a fool for not going to auction with it. I’d say he did alright.

What do you think? Would you have done the same thing?

by d0nkey on Jul 14, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

He's getting all of this precisely since he didn't ask.

And the ring came from Modell, not the team.

by Eyebrows on Jul 14, 2011 9:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I see that now

Yeah, he did the right thing

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's already half way there from the $50,000.00,

and he’ll easily get the rest from the 5% and appearance fees.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

The thing I wonder

is that Modell’s and, uh, was it Miller? offered to pay the taxes on his gifts he received. But wouldn’t those also count as gifts, thus requiring him to pay taxes on those as well?

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not if he pulls a Shawshank!

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One would think so,

but I think there is a loophole somewhere that allows this.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that wasn't really guaranteed when he gave up the ball.

To remove 100,000 bucks of debt for catching a home run and get another 150,000 bucks seems like the optimal strategy here from an objective point of view.

by joof on Jul 14, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

But that's the thing

it shouldn’t be about “optimal strategies” or “what I can get”. It should be about the experience.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I probably shouldn't have commented after reading a bunch of articles about AI. >_>

Auctioning it probably would have never crossed my mind, but I’m dumb like that.

by joof on Jul 14, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not a memorabilia guy

if I caught a milestone ball like that, my only request would be to allow me to give it to the player in person.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I might ask for a jersey or something,

or at least for my picture to be taken with him. But I don’t understand this idea of hoarding the ball and then selling it for $$$, and I could use the $$$.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's kinda my whole thing

I’d want to meet the player, shake his hand, and get a picture. Wouldn’t even need it autographed. I’m much more into personal interactions than stuff.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

The guy absolutely did the right thing.

He made the classy move by offering it back to the yankees & Jeter without demanding too much, and is now swimming in gifts from companies who don’t see him as a greedy fan, but as a guy who did the right thing and still got screwed because of the tax issues. There’s a lot of sympathy in that story.

by katal on Jul 14, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just read an article taking another stand on the issue and I kind of agree.

He gave the baseball, that was worth $250k (for arguments sake, we’ll go with that number) to Derek Jeter.

$250k is .001 percent of just his baseball contracts alone.

He gave the ball to a person who has earned over $200 million.

Sure, he’s getting swag in return. He’ll probably never have to pay the taxes. He will probably live the rest of his life in total happiness based on this experience.

But he’s still, in my opinion, an idiot. He’s obviously not a hero. He’s obviously not a “good person” based on this act. A “good person” could have sold the ball and donated the money to charity. Instead, he gave the ball to one of baseballs richest players in history.

I would have let security escort me out, and then said “Goodbye, have Jeter call me” because the negotiations would not have started without a lawyer.

Derek Jeter wants the ball? I’ll give him an exclusive “Buy it now” price.

follow @casetines

by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you say the same thing if it was your favorite player's milestone ball?

I would definately consider auctioning it off myself. But I would have a hard time doing it if it were say, Edgar or Griffey’s milestone ball

by d0nkey on Jul 14, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I am a dickhead, but yes. If I caught Griffeys 500th homer or something, I would have said "Wow, this is so amazing, its so nice to meet you!"

But you only get so many moments in life to put yourself in a better situation. Griffey is going to be just fine. His great, great grandchildren will be just fine. He should understand why I want to at least get out of debt and do something to better my own life and a couple of signed bats and balls won’t do that.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just think paying off your debt is a short-sighted goal.

I’ll pay off my debt on my own eventually, but I could never obtain the other things and experiences.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Either way, you don't know what you're missing out on so I don't think you can be disappointed.

So if I took the money and ran, I’d be perfectly content. This kid is perfectly content, and that’s fine. But talk of him being a good person or a hero is crazy.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing to want some money to put myself in a better situation. $250,000 is nothing to balk at, even after taxes.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's an actual hero.

I think he knew how this would probably play out, and took a calculated risk.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, it's ultimately a negotiation between two parties, right?

Each side has to take into account what’s important to the other side. You’ve got a ball that is worth a certain dollar amount on the open market, and worth something to the player (either in terms of dollars or memorobilia or something). How much that’s worth and whether you want to take advantage of it is informed by your financial position, how badly the player wants the ball, and your personality. Personally, I’d feel bad holding a player hostage for a large sum of money for something I just basically lucked into, but I’d probably feel differently if I had a sick child – at that point practical necessity trumps everything else.

But because both sides need to agree on a value to come to an agreement, if your debt situation informs your negotiating stance, the player has to care or be willing to give up on the ball.

by Chris Hafner on Jul 14, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand where you're coming from, even if I don't agree with it. Does this extend to other situations?

Let’s say you’re leaving the stadium and you get into a small fender bender. The other driver steps out of the car, and it turns out to be Griffey.
Would you sue him for a few hundred thousand dollars?

I’m trying to figure out if the crux of your argument is that the ball is your property, and it’s valuable, or that if you find yourself in position where you could conceivably make a lot of money (through pure random chance) that you should take it.

by marc w on Jul 14, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I would do what was right.

If Griffey got out of his car and say “Damn it man, I don’t have any insurance” and he said “Let me pay for the damages” I’d reply “Jesus christ Griffey, you dont have INSURANCE? On THIS car?!?!?! How much did you make last year!!!!!”

And then he’d reply “Well, this is your scenario Kenny.” and I’d say “Yeah, you right Griff. Okay, well, do you have cash? Cause I’m not sure I would take a check from a millionaire who doesn’t have car insurance.”

Then I’d accept $1000.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kenny Knows Car Insurance.

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by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

No offense

but you seem to be incredibly focused on all of these things from purely a dollar perspective. So let’s switch the conversation a bit. If you were to catch, say, Dustin Ackley’s first major league HR, would you retain an attorney prior to starting negotiations, and hold his feet to the fire for as much as you could? If not, why not? You’d do that with the Jeterball, why is it different?

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

In reality, Dustin Ackleys ball isn't worth that much. I'd trade it for the opportunity to meet him, or in the case of what actually happened, that was pretty cool too.

It is dollars and sense to me when it comes to a really expensive piece of memorabilia that landed in my hands.

If this were National Treasure, I guess he’d be Nicolas Cage, and I’d be the whiny annoying friend from the Hangover.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was going for a play on words.

I think everyone at some point in life has to look at themselves in the mirror and decide who they are. I’m just more practical than sentimental.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's what I mean

If the situation is you catch Ackley’s first HR, and it’s not worth much, you’d give it up for a handshake and a photo. But if you catch Ackley’s 500th, you wouldn’t let it go for less than (name your price here).

I guess what I’m saying is that to me, those two situations aren’t different (I caught a ball that someone else might want and I really have no use for) and shouldn’t be treated differently simply because money gets involved. To each their own though.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

The money is pretty much the only factor for me.

I don’t how much of that has to do with never having money growing up, or currently, or whether its just in my nature as a gambler, or whatever.

I have dreams of my own that I want to accomplish. I don’t feel pity for Derek Jeter, because he can easily buy the ball from me for a price that won’t dent his bank account and will seriously change my life.

This kids life has changed too and that’s awesome. It’s perfect for him. What’s perfect for me is just different than all that.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was only me realizing that it could be seen as a dickish move, but I have only got so many opportunities.

I’ve played poker in casinos for 10 years and I’ve never won a bad beat Jackpot. I’ve played in casinos where this could mean $50k-$100k and never even come close.

When it happens, I’m going to tip the dealer a nice amount, but I’m not going to tip 10%. This is my 1 moment. And I STILL have to pay taxes.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's also getting his own Topps baseball card, which is pretty awesome.

I did hear that he has $150,000 in loans, but I have a feeling in the end it will be better for him this way. I wouldn’t be surprised if a few generous, rich Yankee fanatics in NY decide to help him out to a tune that is greater than the $250,000 or whatever he’d get from selling the ball.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is another factor, I suppose. I could see Letterman making a guy like this a regular IF they have a good personality.

But it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have gotten opportunities if he had sold opportunities.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

But if he sells it,

he’s just a regular schmoe. By doing this he becomes worthy of an interview.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I would have given it to the Hall.

I recognize Derek Jeter as a historically important and Hall-of-fame quality shortstop, but I also recognize him as a Yankee, which I hate.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 18, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Surprising animal experiences anyone?

I had to wait to get out of my driveway this morning because a deer was standing behind my truck. And I don’t exactly live in deer country.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Couple of weeks ago I watched two racoons cross the road as we sat in a West Seattle front yard, drove on home and had to wait as a possum crossed the road in front of my car.

I was afraid when I turned into my lot that he’d be standing there, looking all possum-like, but he’d was already trotting down the sidewalk.

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

What freaked me out was that the deer wasn't freaked out.

It just stood there and stared at me, then walked away.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Deer in cities are pretty much badass and don't care about you or your car

They’re so inured to noises and sounds and smells that it takes more than a human sighting to freak them out.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose this could be an urban deer.

But it’s the first one I’ve seen since we bought the house over a year ago.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Urban" being defined as "not seen deep in the forest"

That deer’s probably been knocking around your ‘hood for a few years and doesn’t get fazed by much.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is that he probably spends most of his time down in the valley by the river.

Not sure why he came up the hill to visit though.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing I looked over my shoulder before backing up.

Otherwise he might have gotten a closer look than he wanted! Although, he did seem to approve of it. Especially the Mariner’s dice hanging from the rear view.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I live in the middle of suburbia, and I keep running into coyotes on the way back from the gym in the mornings.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

MEEP! MEEP!

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is one of my favorite things in the world.

Nothing makes me happier than seeing a coyote in the wild.

by katal on Jul 14, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate it. I wonder how many neighborhood cats it has eaten.

Poor kitties.

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by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

But they're so cool looking!

I was walking my third grade class around the school, back to our side of the building, after an assembly last December and I spotted a large coyote on the other side of the fence. I stopped the kids, had them get very quiet, and we watched him for a few minutes.

by katal on Jul 14, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I was in 4th grade in Boise right after we moved from Chicago

My elementary school went on lockdown because there was a mountain lion roaming the playground.

My mother was already not really sure about Idaho and she was just about ready to move us back east after that.

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by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not so much advice, but

when I was in high school my dad used to tell me “Youth is wasted on the young”. Now I realize he was absolutely right.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

God, that is so right.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, I don't know.

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by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

For sure

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by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could see that, even if I don't think I'm quite there yet.

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by JY on Jul 14, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ocean Shores is my favorite local day trip.

With the weather the way it’s been lately, it might not even be too crowded. The absolute best, though, is going on a clear day in November. You won’t be too cold if you dress appropriately, and you’ll have the whole beach to yourselves.

Food you never thought you’d like, and were pleasantly surprised when it was cooked right?

I don’t even know where to begin with this one. A good chef can make any food you thought you disliked taste great. My advice is that whenever you go to a upper-tier restaurant, try something you would never try otherwise. You will be surprised at how wonderful something you despised can taste.

by katal on Jul 14, 2011 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Ocean Shores is a fairly long day trip depending on where you live.

I guess that comes back to your definition of “day trip”.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Food you never thought you'd like, and were pleasantly surprised when it was cooked right?"

Sushi. When I was in grade school and high school, the idea of actually purposefully consuming raw fish was unfathomable. Only when I got to college and stopped being such a wanker about it did I try it. Now I guzzle more raw fish than an emperor penguin.

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by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Because I like piggybacking, I'll agree to the sushi, and add in for myself vegetables.

I grew up on Chef Boyardee spaghetti and Kraft M&C, and boy was it obvious by the time I was in high school.

Then a couple years ago I found the farmers market by my new house, and I’ve since decided that spinach salads and fresh beets are some of the best food I’ve ever had.

I can say that I still can’t stand canned and frozen vegetables, though.

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by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still can't do broccoli and cauliflower, but the rest I've grown to love, especially raw.

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by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have never been able to stomach beets

but I love broccoli. I got into broccoli via stir-frying; break it down into thumb-sized pieces (rather than a whole crown) and it’s easier to get to the point where you’ll like it.

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have found I can only enjoy broccoli if it's in stir fry or if it has been seasoned by peppers so heavily it takes a reddish hue.

Tomatoes, which I always hated, have become of a staple on all my sandwiches now.

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by JAH on Jul 14, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

In an elementary school "culture" thing, I was introduced to sushi as "spam and rice wrapped in seaweed."

It tasted disgusting and I thought I hated sushi for the next, like, eight years. Now it’s one of my favorites.

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by lailaihei on Jul 14, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spam Musubis are one of the best midnight snacks ever!

You have to remember to cook and season though, there’s nothing worse than a gelatinous hunk of cold spam on unseasoned rice. Proper Musubis are an entirely different ballgame.

by Drew_D on Jul 14, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spam musubi is amazing.

I’m not a spam fan at all, but wrap it up in rice and dunk it in wasabi and it’s heavenly.

by BigR on Jul 14, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same

I refused to go anywhere near it for the first 21 years of my life.

Then I was really drunk one night and somebody force fed me sushi about 2 years ago and it was delicious. Now I love it.

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by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are "deserve" and "fair" mutually exclusive?

I am having an argument with someone where I basically said “I deserve it” and they told me “I dont believe in deserving and fairness”

I told her I agreed about fairness, but deserving is a completely different concept. You may not get what you deserve, but it doesn’t mean its not wrong when you don’t get something you deserve or that you shouldn’t go after what you deserve. You have to get over “fairness” when you’re a kid, but you should always go for what you deserve.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

The context wasn't something like "Hey I deserved that piece of cake but Johnny got it!"

It was more like, “I’m not going to waste my time with certain people” because they just take advantage of it and don’t deserve it. And I’ll give whatever I can to people who do deserve it.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Deserve" and "fair" are relatively meaningless concepts

Why do you “deserve” anything? What makes you so special that you “deserve” something and don’t have to “earn” it?

I’m not trying to start a fight, it’s hard to impart tone here but I really don’t get when people say “I deserve X”. Why?

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm saying deserved based on earning.

Lets say that 50,000 people go to the Super Bowl. Some of them deserved to go. Uhh.. the players for instance. But seriously, the fans, I think if you worked your ass off and bought tickets and were the first in line, you deserved to go. Some people did not deserve to go. But they were put in a situation where they got to go. I’m not at the super bowl because I didn’t deserve to go. Even if lets say, a friend took me, that doesn’t mean I “deserved” to go. But its not because its “not fair” its just the way it is.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

But that gets into a morass of moral judgment though

and who is the arbiter of who deserves to go and who doesn’t? The guy who worked his ass off and bought tickets and was first in line, or the guy who won a contest of knew a sponsor? What about the HR director’s admin for a team that gets a ticket because the team gets a ticket allocation? Did that person deserve to go? Why? Why not?

by pdb on Jul 14, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I suppose its true and I had to think about that one. The "radio contest"

Well, do they deserve to go because they were the 99th caller? Or it doesn’t matter what they did, it was still a contest, they didn’t deserve it. I guess I’m battling myself over that question right now.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to think of deserve as the end result of earn

If I’ve worked hard and earned it, I feel as if I deserve it.

If I work hard and bust my balls and don’t get it for political reasons or whatever, that seems unfair.

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by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Worst advice: I think I got pushed into the home-buying process a little too early.

It’s a unique/good opportunity but I’ve more or less set myself up for ~90 hour work weeks for the next year or so.

by SgtSasquatch on Jul 14, 2011 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Go to college

Go to grad school

My Dad has always been very determined to see me go to school and do exactly what I went to school for. Anything short of doing exactly what I went to school for is a “waste” in his eyes. He didn’t go to college and my two older siblings ended up doing completely different things than they did when they were in school.

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by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

My mom had me do a lot of things because she felt it was missing from her childhood.

There were a lot of instances of me getting forced to do things like go to church and whatnot throughout my youth when the experience didn’t actually mean anything to me.

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by JY on Jul 14, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trying to avoid being LLLJ

but I wish I had asked my parents for more advice/guidance during my last relationship. All the stuff they told me AFTER it ended would’ve been useful had I thought to ask 2 years earlier.

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by bluemax on Jul 14, 2011 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

That's a good question

The answer is, I don’t know. I think for me I was overall really inexperienced at maintaining a long term relationship and I didn’t know what to do.

I mean yeah I had a decent model in my parents, but I still didn’t really know what it took to be a part of a relationship that worked for years and years.

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by bluemax on Jul 14, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I could go back in time and tell myself the answers to all of the problems I have had in life

I would tell my future self to piss off. I would regret it later of course, but I know I wouldn’t have listened to someone giving me the right advice. I find myself wanting to do this for friends of mine from time to time and I always have to tell myself that they need to make their own bad decisions. It’s frustrating

by d0nkey on Jul 14, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well sure

I look at a lot of the ways I fucked up in my life and I can see the positives that came out of them.

If I hadn’t failed out of school, then got back into school I might never have ended up where I am today. I mean I probably wouldn’t have met the person who is now my ex, and having her in my life helped me survive LA after graduation, which in turn helped me land the job I had for a couple of years, etc etc. Nor would I have met some of my best friends in life right now.

Its weird that flunking out of school actually ended up being beneficial.

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by bluemax on Jul 14, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

More than any other thing, I think relationships are one area where people really need to make their own mistakes

It seems like hardly anybody can follow good advice when it comes to relationships, myself included.

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is true

but I think some of the pain could’ve been lessened if I’d gotten over my inability to ask for help and guidance a little sooner.

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by bluemax on Jul 14, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

For daytrips

assuming that you are somewhere in the Seattle metro area, I can give a few ideas.

If you like driving, drive to the south sound and catch SR-410 and head over Chinook pass. Its quite the scenic drive that passes through Mt. Rainier National Park. There are plenty of scenic pull outs along the route and also several little parks (Tipsoo Lake, Sunrise Mt and the summit) that you can enjoy. Its a nice 2+ hour drive through a scenic area that ends at a not so scenic place, Yakima. You can also take a spur near the summit and take a road up to Paradise, which has a visitors center and some awesome views of Rainier and the Cascades.

The San Juans are always a nice pick, as well as Olympic National Park. I second Ocean Shores, and the local small towns just to the north of it. I also enjoyed Leavenworth and that area in general.

by marinerschas2 on Jul 14, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I was debating putting that on the list

since I love Ross Lake and the towns nearby. My only reason why I didn’t is that for some people its a 4-5 hour drive just to get to that area. However it is a day trip, and I do love that route

by marinerschas2 on Jul 14, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still mean to do the Diablo Lake boat tour

but I have a friend who also wants to go, and that means scheduling up.

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just don't do what I had to do on Diablo.

Canoe through 40mph winds, driving rain and lighting, with a few other guys so that we can catch our ride back into civilization.

by marinerschas2 on Jul 14, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still have never been to Leavenworth, and I'd rather do it with no snow if I'm the one driving.

It has been years since I went to the coast, and anywhere much past Port Townsend. It occurred to me that I could do some walk-on ferry trips as well.

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

For some reason, that is the section of the state I have spent the least time in. I used to go up and down 5, but not head off to the east from there.

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh.

You should really see it. I mean, yeah it’s a tourist trap, but it’s still kind of neat.

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm driving up there on Saturday as a day trip.

Heading east on 90 and then up across 97, then back home via 2. Really looking forward to it

by tootthekazoo on Jul 14, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, why cross 90?

Why not take 2 over, then come back over the North Cascades?

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by Thingray on Jul 14, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd go 410 to SR 821 to 97 instead of I-90

SR 821, by the way, is a really underrated drive- it’s old US-97 from Selah to Ellensburg and really pretty scenic. The speed limit is obnoxiously low (I think 45), but I never saw a cop on it.

If anybody is ever headed from Yakima back to Seattle and has an extra 20 minutes or so, go that way once.

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by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only as a means to get to 97

97 is a great driving road, if my memory serves correctly. I would get more unique with my routes but it is just a day trip. We’ll be on the road by 9:30 and driving back same-day. N. Cascades, while a beautiful drive, is just more driving than my family would be willing to put up with, especially considering it would be quite late in the day by time we reached the “money” portion of the scenery on the trip home

by tootthekazoo on Jul 14, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can imagine, and can only cross my fingers and hope

If we were planning on staying overnight in Leavenworth I would absolutely take the route you mentioned but I don’t want to spend 6 hours driving while the wife and kid sleep just to arrive at a place where we’ll be walking all over and doing fun stuff before hopping back in the car and driving an absolute minimum of 2 hours to get back home. If I were by myself I would do it with no problem, though

by tootthekazoo on Jul 14, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

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by Corco on Jul 14, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Port Townsend is nice in the Summer time.

It’s in the Triangle of fire (Fort Worden, Fort Casey, Fort Flagler) and the ferry ride to Whidbey Island is a nice one, even if it is on an ugly boat.

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by Marinerfanjake on Jul 14, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Online services everyone should have!

Amazon Cloud Drive / Cloud Player
Evernote
Dropbox
Turntable.fm
Last.fm
Backupify
And some sort of online backup service for all your important things (carbonite or any one of the other good services)

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by lailaihei on Jul 14, 2011 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I have really soured on last.fm

They need to hire a google/walmart/amazon person to work relevance, or just tag better. I hate getting viking death metal in my electronica (or j-pop in my death metal).

by Drew_D on Jul 14, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the scrobbling, artist recs, and show recs, but almost never listen to the last.fm radio.

Too many artists share the same name with other bands or whatever that are totally different genres, and it screws it up.

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by lailaihei on Jul 14, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pho.

I had pho once and hated it and didn’t have any interest in eating it ever again.

Then my vietnamese friend encouraged me to go with him and I thought, “okay, its not BAD. It’s decent.”

Then I went again. And again. And again.

Pho became the most addictive food I’ve ever eaten.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Coincidently-- some words to live by posted today:

“When you’re fortunate enough to have success and love what you do, you have a choice: Be kind and grateful, or be a dick. I choose the first. When I see someone who is successful, whose work I enjoy, treat other people badly, it just makes me sick inside, and sad for them. So I do my best to live by example, treat everyone with kindness, and never lose perspective on how lucky I am. Okay, thanks for listening.”—Wil Wheaton.

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Ever wonder how countries across the world talk to each other?

http://www.cablemap.info

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by Faux on Jul 14, 2011 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

A series of reactions.

Evil Dead 4 is being made: Yaaaaay!
Bruce Campbell is starring: YAAAAAY!
Sam Raimi is producing, but the director is Fede Alvarez: Who?
Diablo Cody has been brought in to re-write the script: Uhhhhhhhh….

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by JY on Jul 14, 2011 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

It's an interesting turn of events and I'm still not sure if its been established as a remake or a sequel.

But hasn’t it been established that Diablo Cody sucks and was a one-hit wonder?

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess generally speaking, is it a big deal? There's always so many hands in the cookie jar, and Cody only doing "re-writes", it ultimately comes down to Raimi and the director as to how much they will use.

Maybe they just need a “hint” of something young and fresh. Truthfully, it was a long shot that they’d ever recapture the glory from Evil Dead 2.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weirdly, I liked both Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness but find the later more palatable today

Evil Dead 2’s brand of camp didn’t age as well as Army of Darkness, which boggles the mind since they’re spit from the same brain trust. I think it’s the quotability of Army of Darkness that keeps it watchable where Evil Dead gets relegated to the b-movie “fond memories, but I won’t watch it again” bin.

by Drew_D on Jul 14, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Writing for established characters could either be a benefit or a liability.

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by JY on Jul 14, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never know what to think when "So and so wrote something"

They could have written every word for word, or the entirety of the piece could have been completely changed different.

I recommend Tales from the Script on Netflix as a doc on what its like to be a screenwriter.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's still relatively early with over 1500 players remaining, but the Simpsons Sam Simon, Jason Alexander, and Brad Garrett are all doing pretty well so far in the WSOP Main Event. Especially Alexander and Sam Simon.

Ever since the main event became popular, and then when celebrities started showing up, I wondered what it would be like if one of them actually made the final table and/or WON the main event. How would it change their careers? We already know that Alexander and Garrett probably will be on television more on ESPN now than their huge sitcom careers that are long gone, but will it effectively end their acting careers if they become “poker stars”?

I hope to find out actually.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe if you reach a certain number of players

the variability level is just too high… there’s too much potential for some schmuck to get an incredible chip lead, bumble through to the final table then catch a few lucky cards.

In a smaller tournament, no one will amass QUITE so high a chip lead early on that they can afford to be a bad player and still do well? Just tossing around hypotheses…

by HititHere on Jul 14, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always assumed that whether it is a small or large tournament, the ratios of everyone's chip stacks would stay relatively the same

I think a lot of it has to do with the amount of time it takes to complete the tournament too. It has to take some skill to be able to get yourself in good positions to get lucky over that long of a period.

by d0nkey on Jul 14, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a tournament of ~500 players, I think anyone who wins needs to get lucky 3-4 times.

In a tournament of 6500 players, you need to get lucky like ~20+ times.

I’m not a math guy though and there are certain variabilities that will always stay the same. But I don’t think the greatest poker player(s) have a great chance to win the main event because of the amount of players and thats why every year out of ~50 of the best poker players in the world, maybe 1-2 make a really deep run.

Again, I’m sort of thinking outloud right now. Not a finished thought.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

No you are definately onto something. Although my gut tells me the number of times you need to get lucky isn't linear.

A lot would depend on the blind and ante structures and total number of expected hands per hour

by d0nkey on Jul 15, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what it'd do to ESPN's broadcast.

Don’t they wait a while to actually air the game, so they can cull out the boring parts? If someone famous won, they’d need a quick turn around.
And, speaking of Sam Simon, here’s a lovely quote from a Simpsons’ oral history story from a few years ago by Matt Groening:

“I think Sam Simon is brilliantly funny and one of the smartest writers I’ve ever worked with, although unpleasant and mentally unbalanced.”

by yuniform on Jul 14, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that can be said about the majority of Simpsons writers I've read about.

As for the main event, they don’t need a quick turnaround for the final table anymore. When they final table is established, they wait (wait for it) 2.5 months until they actually play it, and it becomes the “November 9” because now that its so popular, they want some surprise when they actually air the final table.

If Jason Alexander makes the final table, the next two months will probably be his highest profile 2 months since Seinfeld.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 14, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they start it on TV in August, but this year they have been doing high quality broadcasts on ESPN3 online.

You don’t get hole cards immediately, but it was still interesting. They had one of the normal commentators and Antonio Esfandiari commentating.

by Patrick Stites on Jul 15, 2011 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The main event would be a lot more fun to watch if you only got to watch the featured table.

I don’t like how they go from table to table showing crazy hands play out. I might be in the minority, but I like watching a player raise pre-flop and take the pot down with a continuation bet.

by d0nkey on Jul 15, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why Poker After Dark is fun

because they show every hand, even foldouts, regardless of outcome.

ESPN’s coverage of the WSOP was the best thing to ever happen to good online players (and good casino players for that matter). It makes all the bad players think it’s OK to call a preflop two bet with J6o.

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! I love Poker After Dark because of that reason.

Another great thing about ESPN covering the WSOP is that bad people tend to want to talk about their strageties at the table in between hands these days.

Yes, please, give me more information so I know how to bait you later on.

by d0nkey on Jul 15, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say one of the most important things in poker is not getting upset when you lose.

In any game involving the slightest amount of luck, you’re going to lose. If I’m holding aces in my hand and I go all-in pre-flop against any one hand and I lose, I’m not going to be disappointed in my play. There are tons of times where you make the right play and come out on the wrong end of things.

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by perfectstrat on Jul 15, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who would the #4 site be?

I just mean, did anybody give a crap about anything other than the top 3? They are all really shady organizations and frankly, as a person who always HATED online play, I’ll be happy to see it get back to real face-to-face poker.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 15, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, the top three sites were reputable enough, due to their size and holdings that you could be secure having real money with them

there’s really only been one (technical, non-collusion) cheating scandal in the history of those sites, which had to do with improperly accessing hand histories, not seeing other’s cards.

The sites were reputable and safe, and I don’t know that I’d feel that way with another company.

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pat Gillick on the radio today:

“at some point in August we were 80 and 30 and Lou says “I need another hitter, I need another hitter” … some one asked me, did you try to get any one at the deadline and I said I don’t really remember, but I must have, because every time I saw Lou he said “I need another hitter, I need another hitter” … we won 116 games, we didn’t win the World Series, disappointing, and I really didn’t reach Lou’s goal. Lou’s goal was to have 13 switch-hitters that had defense, and run, and hit for power, and 12 pitchers that could pitch right and left handed. Then he’d be happy. "

Jim Bowden earlier on the show expressed the opinion (contrary to popular local belief) that the Mariners ownership have been historically willing to ‘go for it’ … he said it in a very matter of fact fashion, and I was reminded that he was a GM during the days they have most been accused of standing pat.

by msb on Jul 14, 2011 9:04 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

The team was so good it was tough to see any areas where the team really needed improvement

And trading for a player that was better than any of the current starters would’ve required selling the farm.

The only spot they really could have upgraded was LF, and even in LF the M’s were splitting time with Marc McLemore (ended with 3.5 WAR) and Stan Javier (2.6 WAR). Buying/renting a player who would have been worth more than that would have probably been really expensive.

Maybe they could have upgraded the rotation, but even the back end (Abbott and Halama) were decent… and young Joel Piniero came up and absolutely dominated when he was slotted in the rotation.

by HititHere on Jul 15, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

At some point you just have to “run what you brung”.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

Long live Jose Lima.

The other awesome thing I learned from this article—Ty Cobb once beat the tar out of a heckler who didn’t have hands. Woah.

by HititHere on Jul 15, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure about the claim that "he doesn't steal bases" though.

I seem to remember him being fairly successful at that when he was here.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's something to be said about being the best 25th-man in baseball. He could never be the 20th or even 21st man, but he is very useful.

Probably just because he was able to acquire so many at-bats, for such a long period of time, while never actually being “good”

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 15, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He is what he is, and every team can use that. Mark MacLemore was probably the best example of that sort of guy, to the point that he pretty much DID play every day, just at a different position.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ty Cobb was kind of a jerk.
Cobb, who was a notorious racist, fought a black groundskeeper over the condition of the Tigers’ field in Augusta, Georgia at Spring Training in 1907. Cobb also ended up choking the man’s wife when she intervened.
On May 15, 1912, Cobb assaulted a heckler, Claude Lueker, in the stands in New York. Lueker and Cobb had traded insults with each other through the first three innings, and the situation climaxed when Lueker called Cobb a “half-nigger.”51 Cobb, in his discussion of the incident 52, avoided such explicit words, but alluded to it by saying the man was “reflecting on my mother’s color and morals.” Cobb stated in the book that he warned Highlanders manager Harry Wolverton that if something wasn’t done about the man, there would be trouble. No action was taken. At the end of the sixth inning, after being challenged by teammates Sam Crawford and Jim Delahanty to do something about it, Cobb climbed into the stands and attacked Lueker, who it turns out was handicapped (he had lost all of one hand and three fingers on his other hand in an industrial accident). When onlookers shouted at Cobb to stop because the man had no hands, Cobb reportedly replied, “I don’t care if he got no feet!”
For example, Cobb and umpire Billy Evans arranged to settle their in-game differences through fisticuffs, to be conducted under the grandstand after the game. Members of both teams were spectators, and broke up the scuffle after Cobb had knocked Evans down, pinned him, and began choking him.
Cobb once slapped a black elevator operator for being “uppity.” When a black night watchman intervened, Cobb pulled out a knife and stabbed him. The matter was later settled out of court.
“Sure, I fought,” said an unrepentant Cobb in a revealing quote. “I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch.”

by joof on Jul 15, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Good thing that we allow good, upstanding men such as Mr. Cobb into the Hall of Fame

While rotten, (suspected) steroids-using assholes are kept away for cheating and disgracing the game

by tootthekazoo on Jul 15, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Shoeless Joe was a cheater though!

Cheating is the worst bad that anybody could do!

by tootthekazoo on Jul 15, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

No proof he cheated.

He took the money, but there’s no proof he “threw” the games.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

So this whole ESPN/Bruce Feldman thing is pretty dirty

In case you haven’t been following, ESPN has suspended Bruce Feldman for helping former Texas Tech football coach Mike Leach with some research on his book. Apparently Feldman was previously cleared to provide this help but something changed. Feldman is not mentioned by Leach anywhere in his book, not even the acknowledgements.

Mike Leach, if you haven’t been following college football, was ousted from his job at Texas Tech for his supposed mistreatment of Adam James (the reality of the situation is a bit more complicated). James happens to be the son of ESPN “Analyst”/sleaze ball Craig James. There was definitely some contract of interest stuff going on there with James giving Joe Schad his son’s cell number and James hiring a PR firm to help smear Leach.

So yeah, the message here is its wrong to help provide uncredited research on a friend’s book if it casts a fellow coworker in a negative light. Even if that coworker is totally an unethical sleazeball.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I hadn't even heard of this.

Who is Bruce Feldman?

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce Feldman is one of the better writers/bloggers for ESPN

in terms of college sports. Here is a good summary from SBNation.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love the Pirate Captain in the Pac 12

even if it was at ucla.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's the right fit to turn ucla around

and I don’t see him meshing well with the fan base or alumni

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey so how does it feel to have Norm Chow as the highest paid

ucla asst coach despite him not working for ucla anymore?

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's more on Rick than Norm

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

And of course now Feldman has been "reinstated" despite having

“never been suspended” in the first place. Good show ESPN.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you explain this a bit more? Are you looking for what a pitcher's actually done,

or something like tRA where the batted-ball profile is used to create a pitching line that’s independent of defense?

If the former, pitchfx is probably the best. Pick a pitcher, look ‘em up at joelefkowitz, download the excel file and sort for batted balls. Compare it to the expected bases by batted ball type, and there you go. If that’s what you were trying to do…

by marc w on Jul 15, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was actually trying to look at this from a hitter's perspective

I’m curious as to how many bases your standard line drive nets, what percentage of doubles come on fly balls, that kind of stuff. What I have in mind is similar to Table 2 here except that instead of “Expected run values per event” it would read “Expected total base values per event.”

(Also, thanks for joelefkowitz reference!)

by Captain Peppernuts on Jul 15, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Late to the party
Food you never thought you’d like, and were pleasantly surprised when it was cooked right?

Curry. Indian food is something I wished I could eat more, but there aren’t any good places in my area.

Advice, and advice you’d wish you had gotten?

I’m young enough that no one will take advice from me very seriously. I guess the best example of advice I’ve gotten is in my signature. Ultimately, common sense is the best advice you can receive, and it can’t really be told as it has to be learned. There’s still a bunch of stuff that I haven’t experienced and a lot of things I still have to learn, but if you approach challenges sensibly there’s no reason you can’t surpass them.

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by perfectstrat on Jul 15, 2011 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Why would I do that?

A friend of mine wants me to go see “Bad Bosses” this weekend. I don’t know if she means “Horrible Bosses” or “Bad Teacher”.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

My wife and I really want to, but I have kids and theaters.

Maybe they’ll have a 9:50 weekday showing or something.

by BigR on Jul 15, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who else gets spontaneous, near-uncontrollable urges to do random things?

I just got the most wicked urge to go play my original Nintendo. I want to play Contra, Duck Tales, and maybe even Yo Noid just for the pizza eating contest.

It’s so bad I’m wishing I could leave work early to do it.

by HititHere on Jul 15, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

My phone is a shitty piece of crap that can barely handle text messaging

Despite the fact that it’s less than 18 months old and an Android.

by HititHere on Jul 15, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno, the problem is the OS

My phone worked great until they forced the upgrade to to FroYo a while back, and now it’s borderline useless.

I can always give it a shot, but maaaaaaaaaaan it’s agonizing to do just about anything.

by HititHere on Jul 15, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

They forced it out to my MyTouch.

I’d have to root it and do a bunch of crap to get it off, and I’m not sure I want to try that.

Plus I’m just pissed they forced the upgrade with basically disabled my phone, and am not going to go waaaay out of my way to try and fix it just on principle.

by HititHere on Jul 15, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't blame you.

You can downgrade it, but it isn’t the easiest thing to do. It’s not difficult either, but even still, you shouldn’t have to do it.

If you get the urge to try, google the xda forums for your phone and you’ll see a lot of information on how to do it.

by d0nkey on Jul 15, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or you could skip downloading things altogether

and go here.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot all about how awesome the Duck Tales game was

Or at least I thought it was awesome at the time. Okay now I do really want to play it again.

by OlSalty on Jul 15, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

For Disney-themed games, they sure were hard.

That last level was nuts.

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by JY on Jul 15, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should try Darkwing Duck

it was built off the Mega Man 5 engine

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loooooooove Darkwing Duck

I always thought it had a Mega Man feel, and now I know why.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with Snake, Rattle, 'n' Roll is that once you got to the end you had no idea what the fuck you were supposed to be doing.

“Those stitched together stomp feet? Weren’t they invincible? WHAT DO I DO?”

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by JY on Jul 18, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely not intuitive, and hard as hell.

Even with a Game Genie unlimited lives code, it was still damn hard.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt like this game controlled really poorly

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think it pretty much sucked.

I never played it the “right” way, I think I just kept starting new games and killing robots until I was too dead to continue, then started over.

I loved killing me some robots.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would destroy teams with my fat Canandian kids.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

While we're on this thread... anyone play this game?

I loved the fact that randomly generated characters would have randomly generated names. My favorite was a mage named “Pizza.”

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ogre Battle!

I love both it and Tactics Ogre.

by joof on Jul 18, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the Los AngeLLians, I'm getting kind of excited for this weekend. How crazy is it going to be? Will it turn into some city-wide street party?

"I know every shortcut and not one of them is going to work," said L.A. County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky in an interview with ABC News.com. "Stay the hell away is the best advice we can give. Don’t go anywhere near the west side of L.A. … stay home, get Netflix … everybody has to suck it up. We’re doing our part to make sure every man, woman, and child knows about this."

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 15, 2011 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I love how everybody seems to think that shutting down an admittedly busy freeway is somehow a portent of the End of Days

LA will survive. By Tuesday, nobody will give a shit any more. By tomorrow at noon, the eight people left in the country that weren’t already sick of this “story” will say GODDAMNIT STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.

by pdb on Jul 15, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is, shortcuts won't work. He's right.

Traffic will be worse than normal. Shit happens, move on. You will still be able to get from point A to point B, it just won’t be as easy as before (for A FEW DAYS).

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

LA should know this, and make an informed decision based on that.

If I knew I-5 going into Seattle was going to be closed, I wouldn’t plan a trip to Seattle this weekend.

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by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

You shouldn't care

I don’t care and I live in San Diego. My point was that for people who actually live in LA, it’s not going to be “a little inconvenience.” It’s going to be a massive pain in the ass.

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't expect anyone outside of the LA metro to care

I live in an affected area and I’m not overly concerned.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish I could find the map of projected affected roads and routes

its basically everywhere in LA.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I rarely travel more than 10 miles away from home in a normal weekend

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither do I, but I'm more curious about the rest of my area (which I think is your area too)

How many people in West LA that do travel every weekend, will now jam-pack my little section of West LA?

I am also not concerned, just really curious.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 15, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're taking out a bridge

and widening part of the 405 I believe

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're tearing down a bridge in three days?

When they rebuild little river bridges up here it takes two years.

by wazzu93 on Jul 15, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The paper said half a million cars were expected this weekend

So I’m guessing this is going to be some kind of a show, lots of preplanning, tightly orchestrated moves. Some type of time-lapse photography would be neat. Also, it’s only half the bridge, they’re doing this again next year

by Kermit. on Jul 15, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad there's shitty parking for Venice beach

I guess you could take Lincoln down to Dockweiler and probably find room, or you could brave surface/the 10 and go up to Santa Monica!

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or I could ride my bike

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, its not exactly a Brett Favre retirement story.

This is actually interesting and will actually effect people.

Of course LA will survive, of course its not going to turn the city on its head, but how the city handles this will say a lot about LA, and any mistakes that are made will change how things are done in major cities in the future. And we are doing this again in a few months to tear down the OTHER side of the freeway.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 15, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It affects many, many people

but those people are all in Los Angeles. I live in Portland. I don’t particularly care about LA traffic, and while I sympathize with people who need to get where the 405 would take them, the stories about this closure make it seem like LA is about to fall into the sea, split in half down a fault line, or otherwise irreparably damage itself, and I’m sorry but it’s just not that big of a deal. It’s traffic, but moreso.

by pdb on Jul 15, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

All the stories start with

“There will be a closure to one of the nation’s busiest sections of freeway this weekend” or the like, and then they all go straight to quotes from commuters, business owners, and others in the area, who make it sound like the world will stop spinning and collapse on itself at about 7.01 tonight.

To me, and to your original point, that says more about LA than anything else possibly could.

by pdb on Jul 15, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

In defense of LA (never thought I'd be doing this),

inflated impacts seems to be a part of the media relations strategy of transpo departments.

A few years ago, Seattle was doing major work on I-5 in Tukwila or something, and we had these sorts of news stories too. DOT was pretty clearly trying to make sure that people either didn’t drive it or took alternate routes. As it happened, the impact was minor. Still, the strategy makes sense: convince people that LA really will slip into the sea due to traffic and you lower expectations at worst, and reduce the impact at best.

by marc w on Jul 15, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I think part of what is spurning all this coverage

is that last year the President came and NO ONE seemed to know this was happening until the day of and it caused ridiculous traffic back ups every where. This is arguably bigger in terms of traffic impact so they want people to know.

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by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seemed to have worked

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a job interview in Irvine last week

and I mentioned it to one of the guys there and he hadn’t even heard about it.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of that summer a year or two ago where they shut down all but 1 lane of I-5 for like 3 weeks

They made such a big brouhaha out of it for like 6 months prior that by the time it actually happened, there was nobody on the road and traffic was actually better than before.

by HititHere on Jul 15, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just as a PSA (and talking point)

I think it’s important to recognize that Humbled Fan’s comment is directed towards SoCaLL, and towards the folks in the LA area specifically – even though it’s a discussion point, I don’t really think arguing that no one outside of Southern California cares – you’re right, you shouldn’t care, but that doesn’t mean it’s not affecting people who don’t live down here.

I think this could be a discussion of why LA’s infrastructure is fucked up and how we should avoid that in the future, or maybe people who know the area well discussing how they plan to get around – I just don’t think that “no one outside of LA cares” is a productive talking point. Especially in the OFFTOPs, if threads aren’t relevant, it’s OK to just skip them.

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought about saying similar, but decided that pdb never really outright said "This thread is pointless and shouldn't have been made"

I took it as pdb saying that the news coverage is annoying and so I left it at that.

But whenever I see a thread that starts with a name that I don’t understand and how he is terrible or amazing, I say “Oh, soccer.” and I move on.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 15, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

So much for carmageddon

Link

So you could say it was an overreaction, but without the preceding overreaction, everyone would still have driven and carmageddon would have been real.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tom Watson got a hole-in-one today at the British Open

I have always thought that if I ever got a hole-in-one, I’d just leave my clubs at the tee and walk away from the game because that’s pretty much the best thing that could ever happen. I came close once, on the 12th hole at Jefferson Park one time I got the ball within two feet of the cup but that’s about as good as I’ve ever done.

Any LL golfers ever get an ace? Ever come close?

by pdb on Jul 15, 2011 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

My dad got a "I got a hole-in-one at St. Andrews" shirt.

It was on the mini-golf course.

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by perfectstrat on Jul 15, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lipped out on the ninth hole of the short course at Jefferson

I’ve actually never holed out from more than 40 yards before, which I find kind of weird since I’m a very solid wedge player. You’d think every once in a while I’d get lucky

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I holed out from about 120 yards on the 8th at Jefferson once

but it was a complete and total mis-hit. I skulled a 9 iron, and the ball shot towards the hole at a million miles an hour about two feet off the ground the whole way. it hit the pin, bounced off about three yards away from the hole, and the ridiculous amount of backspin from the skulling pulled the ball right into the hole.

I, of course, saw none of this actually happen, because the minute I mis-hit the ball I turned away and was busy swearing at myself and thinking how in the hell I was going to get back to the green from so far over it.

by pdb on Jul 15, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not surprisingly, some of my most amazing shots have been mis-hit.

I almost eagled a hole once after launching my second shot long and into the trees. It hit something and ricocheted back onto the green, about 15 feet from the hole. Then I missed my putt.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've holed out from 120 as well, but it just got me an eagle on a par 5.

I can’t see so well, so I’m about to hit a provisional (I thought I hit it past the green) and my buddy’s saying that it might’ve gone in. Glad he was right.
This came very early in my golf ‘career’ so I technically got an eagle before I ever got a birdie.

by marc w on Jul 16, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I almost holed a par three at Flowing Lakes, but I think it's about a 30 yard hole.

So missing by a foot isn’t THAT amazing of an accomplishment.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am a horrible golfer (~95-105)

and I had a par3 that was elevated some 20’ above the tee box. I felt like I hit a pretty good shot, but what did I know, I suck. When I got up there, it was 2" from the cup. I was kinda pissed after seeing that.

But my new golf goal, is if I ever get an ace, or an eagle, I am going to take the divot home and plant it somewhere. I think that would be a neat keepsake.

by d0nkey on Jul 15, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I came within about an inch of one once on a par 3

And I got a hole in two on a par 5 once by complete luck

by OlSalty on Jul 15, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've aced the first and last holes on the Anderson Island 9 hole.

I think it’s a solid 90 yards to the pin.. so ya, not exactly a blazing achievement.

by Drew_D on Jul 15, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

*not that I am the arbiter of blazing achievements

just that I’ve been golfing a long time and would be thrilled with a 90 yard hole in one.

by pdb on Jul 15, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't Dustin Johnson get one yesterday as well?

I love that Watson was playing with an amateur that looked young enough to be his great grandson.

by wazzu93 on Jul 15, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Close.

At Chambers Bays 9th whole. Played the slope perfectly and it rolled over the whole. (But it was a re-tee and my 3rd shot)

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 16, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amy Poehler on Nick Offerman, aka Ron Swanson, not getting nominated for an emmy:

“It’s a hot load of bullshit that he didn’t get a nomination, and you can quote me on that.”

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 15, 2011 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I just realized something cool

as long as you browse in incognito mode you can read as many New York Times articles as you want per month. Screw you, 20 article limit!

Anybody else figure out something cool today?

by pdb on Jul 15, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

It's that easy to fool it?

I do most of my browsing that way anyway.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 15, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

A little late but,

What did you gamers grab during the Steam Summer Sale? I have Civilization 5, Tropico 3 and Reccetear waiting restlessly on my pc.

by Drew_D on Jul 15, 2011 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

A bunch of terrible Indie games that I probably will never play again

BatmanAA (a rebuy since I gave my brothers my console copy) and DoW 40k Retribution.

I also recently nabbed FO:NV and Just Cause 2 for $5 from D2D and activated them both on Steam.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was being bugged to get New Vegas, but I just can't justify it with all the other stuff in queue

On top of the previously mentioned purchases I have both Mass Effect games, DA 2, L4D, and like 5 other games sitting in my library unplayed. I should’ve grabbed it for later, but the pile is starting to give me anxiety attacks.

by Drew_D on Jul 15, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I only spent $10 on it so that seemed good enough

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 15, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arkam Asylum and Frozen Synapse

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 15, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is Frozen Synapse?

I’ve been eyeing it as I’m a fan of tactics games, but I can’t get over the indie-stigma.

by Drew_D on Jul 15, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard as fuck.

Even on normal, if you don’t give your guys the right orders, way points, and combat stances the enemy will ruthlessly gun you down. Even on missions where I am breezing through it I lose 25% of my soldiers.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 15, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

THQ Hit Pack

Consists of: Company of Heroes + Opposing Fronts, Homefront, Metro 2033, some ATV game, Darksiders, STALKER, Dawn of War II + Chaos Rising + Retribution, Saints Row II, Red Faction: Guerilla, Titan Quest + Immortal Throne.

Also for a birthday since I was sick, my friend bought me TF2, the following week it became free-to-play.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Jul 15, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Titan Quest is better than DII unless you like random dungeons.

The fan patches make it work though.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 15, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know I bought TQ for $5 3 years ago and have yet to install it

Im a bad person

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's fun!

It’s like Diablo II, but with some ragdoll physics and interesting item collection, but no random dungeons. Also, it really does need the fan patches to be at its best. Otherwise there are only like three or four functional classes.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 18, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

TF2 is amazing.

I’ve been playing it more or less since release.

by Eyebrows on Jul 18, 2011 2:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

As long as at least half of the people on your team realize what the objectives are

OKAY GUYS WE GET IT YOU CAN POINT AND CLICK! BUT DO WE REALLY NEED 6 SNIPERS TO CAPTURE THE INTEL????

by d0nkey on Jul 18, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it's really bad right now since it went free to play.

It should get better as those players improve or quit.

by Eyebrows on Jul 18, 2011 4:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh even worse. Cause that is what a lot of servers were like before it went free.

It’s not even that those players were bad, they just were playing a single player game instead of playing as a team trying to win the objective.

by d0nkey on Jul 18, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was bad before it went F2P

No one ever seemed to bother going for objectives. It was either a Sniper fest or a crafting fest.

STOP MAKING FUCKING HATS AND START CAPTURING INTEL

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I played on a server that for some reason had a bunch of guys from England.

Always politely appreciative to recieve my invul/crits.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I used to only play on The Machine server since I knew people who formed that group

but when people stopped playing it seriously, I had to go to other pub servers. But since I only play FPS games like once a week for an hour or so, it is just too much work to find the good servers to play on.

But now that it’s been brought up, I might have to go back and try playing TF2 again

by d0nkey on Jul 19, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Civ 5 will disappoint.

In alphabetical order, Atom Zombie Smasher, Cities XL (looked Civ-y), some old C&C games, Dead Rising 2, the Prince of Persia Pack, Supreme Commander 2, Terraria, Shogun 2…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 15, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which old C&C games?

I really liked RA2, and continue to play Generals. Tiberian Sun was also pretty good for its day.

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by perfectstrat on Jul 16, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hated Generals. That and the last C&C game(Tiberium Twilight) are the two worst out of the series in my opinion.

RA2 and Tiberium Sun are probably the two best however, with C&C3 coming in at a close third.

RIP Dave Niehaus.

by Goose on Jul 16, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I grabbed everything in the third generation I think.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 17, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crud,

I don’t want to hear that about Civ 5. What was bad about it exactly?

by Drew_D on Jul 16, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently the gameplay/AI is a bit better with the recent patch. Balance is still kind of iffy.

I missed the sale otherwise I would have given it a spin too, finally. I’ll just wait for the next one.

by Jaejo on Jul 17, 2011 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

It depends on how you like to play the game.

The good news is that combat has been overhauled and is no longer about the enemy sending an impossibly large stack of units is no longer a viable combat method, which means that there’s actually some level of strategy involved. The cities are also capable of attacking on their own and that’s neat. The method of increasing your territory hex by hex is also kind of interesting as are the civics and natural wonders.

The bad news is that the AI for a long time didn’t know how to work combat and would send a single file of units to suicide on your city walls when the only viable method of taking anything over is to surround it. Everything in the game takes way too long, there are so many resources on the map that finding them and staking them out is no longer exciting or an advantage, all the advisers are obnoxious and intrusive, there aren’t religions anymore, and most of the wonders are completely and utterly useless in the long run. Also the game mechanics are silly because instead of having health and food as separate mechanics, they’re all one thing now (hospitals make food!).

Combat is now the only real way of getting anything done and everything feels horribly washed out by comparison, or added as afterthoughts. The space victory was a joke.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 17, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I played through the tutorial yesterday, and I can see your point

I have heard really good things about the last AI overhaul, and having not spent time on the series since 2 it’s felt ok so far. I can see playing through the scenarios and a few random maps, but can’t see playing it long term the way I played Civ 1.

Tropico 3 is, so far, everything I wanted in a sim-cuba. The rebel radio is a nice touch that I’m sure will get old quickly, and trying to cat-herd your people in to not starving at the start is still a bit of a problem, but all together it’s a fun banana-republic game. The included scenarios in the steam edition make for a lot of game play.

by Drew_D on Jul 18, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think IV is my favorite recent Civ.

Loaded with stuff to do and funny things to have happen, the issue is that beyond a certain point you’ll spend a lot of time setting up production queues for the cities between turns and the AI, literally, cheats in the form of “they got this tech from a hut so they could build this wonder before me even though it’s impossible for me to get that tech from a hut” and “where did this giant stack of twenty units come from and why is bearing down on my city?”

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 18, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

More games than I will ever be able to play.

The 1C complete pack, the Strategy First Complete Pack, The X Superbox, Cities XL, Stalker, Frozen Synapses, Torchlight, Divinity 2, Recetear: An Item Shop Tale, KoToR, and Empire at War.

by joof on Jul 16, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fallout 3 was my only purchase (I think).

I mostly just play TF2 and this free to play RPG/adventure called Spiral Knights.

by Eyebrows on Jul 18, 2011 2:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ive played a little of that game

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Microphones

I really need to get a better quality mic for podcasting, but I know jack shit about mics not designed for live music. I don’t want to spend a ton ($50 or less, ideally) and the most important thing outside of clarity is that it preserves bass since my current mic makes my voice sound even more nasal than it already is.

Any suggestions?

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 15, 2011 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Advice, and advice you’d wish you had gotten?

Advice I’d wish I had gotten: Learn to dance before you ask a girl to dance.
Words of wisdom I proceeded to get the next week: The world would run a lot smoother if guys knew how to dance.

Advice: Meet deadlines quickly and thoroughly, because if you’re missing up something on an application they can notify you before the deadline to turn everything in has passed and you won’t get waitlisted at every school you applied to especially to schools where you qualified for automatic admissions!

Life has a tendency to kick like a 12-gauge, so you just need to buck up and move on. Things change, goals change, people change, you change – stop, step back, reevaluate yourself, go on from there.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Jul 15, 2011 7:27 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

After watching the women play soccer, I have come to this conclusion.

They must have much better balance and higher pain thresholds, as the men seem to fall down more and have to clutch their extremities for much long times.

by msb on Jul 16, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

At least one of the Brazilian women was injured by what must have been an errant wind gust.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 16, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The exception that proves the rule?

besides, you could tell she was just crippled.

by msb on Jul 16, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to bring that up somehow because the thought of that game makes me smile.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 16, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a more serious rebuttal, there's probably less diving in women's soccer because they know the refs are so horrible it's a coiflip on fouls no matter if someone goes down or not.

So it’s not as worth the loss in position and having to catch up when something is inevitably missed.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 16, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

*coinflip

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 16, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Justin Timberlake is truly talented.

I can’t believe I’m saying that but he is a great SNL host, can actually sing and is surprisingly funny.

by wazzu93 on Jul 16, 2011 11:49 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

My 6am flight was cancelled, and I only found out when I tried checking my bag and the machine told me.

I got no email notification, and only a robot call at 6:01 telling me my flight was changed to 9:47. So I ended up waking up at 2:45 for a flight 7 hours later.

To make this un-LLLJ – What are your worst experiences with an airline? Best? Recommendations?

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by lailaihei on Jul 17, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Alaska went from "check-in cutoff is fifteen minutes before flight time" to "check-in cutoff is thirty minutes before flight time" without me noticing.

This led to an overnight in the Newark area. It wasn’t so much an Alaska problem though as there are so few flights in and out of there that the unhelpful people at the desk were brought in to fill in from other airlines, so what did they care?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 17, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeesh, that sucks. Sorry about that.

It’s unfortunate that stuff like that happens when you’re staffed by another airline in stations where you don’t have many flights.

by Eyebrows on Jul 18, 2011 2:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I had been through Newark enough to know that it wasn't Alaska's fault.

Besides, the overall experience has improved now that it’s been moved to the B Terminal there instead of the A Terminal, which likely hasn’t been improved since the 70s.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 18, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best experience

Took a bump from my NYC to SFO through LAX with a 2 hour layover during bad weather in New York. Got 400 dollars in travel vouchers and moved to a nonstop that arrived at the same time.

by Drew_D on Jul 18, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The time JetBlue let me switch to a more expensive flight for only a $25 flight change fee

when I was flying to Seattle on a Friday morning at 8 AM, leaving Temecula at 4:30, and didn’t realize until 5:15 that the flight I had actually booked was on Thursday. They waived the no-show fee, got me on the flight I needed, and it only cost me an extra $25 and some rattled nerves.

Oh yeah, and this was all at about 5:30 AM when I was running on ~2 hours of sleep, and was already an hour away from my own house.

by seattlebruin on Jul 18, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had a very similar experience on an Alaska Air flight I booked through Expedia.

I had a 7 PM flight to Vegas that was changed to 5 PM several days prior. I received an e-mail less than 24 hours before my flight that said “change in flight status” with no details, no instructions to check the website, nothing. I’d seen a dozen similar e-mails from Expedia over the last week, and I guess I stopped paying attention, which was admittedly a stupid thing to do, but I was 22 and very inexperienced in travel.

After missing the flight, the Alaska rep I was working with called Expedia in my presence and tried to work it out and find me another flight, but the Expedia agent refused to talk to the Alaska agent and demanded to speak to me personally. She handed me the phone, at which point the Expedia agent explicitly blamed me for not calling Alaska to confirm my flight, and said there was no way to rebook or reschedule my flights without buying a new ticket. The agent actually began getting upset, and repeatedly used the words "this is your own fault and eventually said “there is nothing we can do” and literally hung up on me. The Alaska agent actually laughed when I turned to her and said “she just hung up on me.”

The Alaska agent apologized profusely for the train wreck of a situation, and bent over backwards to get us on another flight, even sprinting through the airport with us to get us to the gate we needed. We got to Vegas like 6 hours later than planned, but we made it.

I really endorse Alaska now, and spread vehement words of hate regarding Expedia.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh.

Drayer says that Robbie Thompson was calling around to get an explanation of the balk ejection.

Culbreth called a leg movement balk, and pointed to indicate which leg. Wedge began to come out of the dugout for an explanation (apparently missing the sign) and Culbreth began motioning for him to go back because there is actually a rule that you can’t come out of the dugout on that kind of balk call. Culbreth was trying NOT to have to eject Wedge.

by msb on Jul 17, 2011 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I really liked it

I haven’t read the books, so I don’t know how faithful they were to the story, but the last four Harry Potter movies were really good, and this last one was a great conclusion to the series.

by pdb on Jul 17, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved it, and I read the books, it's faithful enough.

There were some die hards that have been bitching since the movies came out that ‘something’ is always not right or left out or whatever, but it’s insane to try and fit books that large into a movie setting. Something is always going to be wrong. But yeah, I thought they did an extremely good job with the last 2 movies, left me, as a fan, fairly satisfied.

by Patrick Stites on Jul 17, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

zomg good (before proceeding with actual details, can we agree that plot spoilers are OK?)

I was mildly disappointed that, like the other movies, they cut out a few important things, but overall it was really excellent.

by seattlebruin on Jul 18, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watch it back to back with part 1.

I am nerd enough to have gone to the premiere, which was obnoxious and the movie I came out thinking was pretty good. A B, B+ - if I were being REALLY generous an A. But not stupendous.

I then went back Saturday night with a friend. We took a laptop and watched Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 and then proceeded straight into watching Part 2.

On their own, each movie is pretty okay. Together, viewed as one movie, they are damn near perfect. Although I’m still not a big fan of Harry and Voldemort’s final showdown relative to the book.

by harkening on Jul 18, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm tender hearted, so I cried a good handful of times.

There were some things I wish had been included, but I’m certainly not going to bitch about it. I loved it, from beginning to end.

by royalcurve on Jul 18, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lack of a sudden death rule makes soccer a fantastic sport

I just wish they’d get rid of penalties and play 15 minute OT periods until someone wins.

by pdb on Jul 17, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Shootouts? Really?

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 17, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

No its just that soccer is a womens sport...

Sorry couldn’t help myself – I did actually watch most of game today and it was a fantastic match.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 17, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

But they are

it doesn’t mean that certain sports and/or games aren’t incredibly entertaining

by seattlebruin on Jul 17, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I watch a fucktarded amount of soccer.

That was the best game that I have ever watched. It just depends on how you’re defining superior, I suppose, but since I am defining it in terms of entertainment coupled with quality of play, I stand by my statement.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 17, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I came here to post that, fucking brilliant.

I’ve been using “GET A BRAIN, MORAN” as a part of my dialect for so long now that I practically forgot it came from that photo. Also, if you read his responses in the voice of randy savage/hulk hogan/any professional wrestler, it’s even better.

by sanford_and_son on Jul 17, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shot another Coach Carl music video and said I would post it when it was done.

Here it is – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7YrkdD7sE

This one is about “Manscaping” – Should be SFW (though there is shirtless dudes in the shower together)

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Boy do I wish the Mariners had

Carlos Santana (the catcher, not the musician) on the team.

by Coach Owens on Jul 17, 2011 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I wish the Dodgers still had him

Fuck you Ned!

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

POLLOS

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 17, 2011 9:55 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Love this .gif of Delmon Young's reaction to Thome's massive dinger yesterday.

Here.

I made the exact same face when he nearly hit one nearly out of the right field bleachers when I saw the M’s vs. Twins back in May. Absolutely breathtaking to see a towering home run like that live in person these days since I rarely do anymore at Safeco.

by sanford_and_son on Jul 18, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

FUCK.

Pretty much the only movie I’ve been looking forward to for a while now.

Gary Oldman has been so awesome as Gordon, it’ll be such a bummer if he dies.

by sanford_and_son on Jul 18, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, that made me less excited about Batman, not more.

Didn’t they get rid of all his existential angst in the last movie?

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, there is angst and there's the whole "I don't want to be Batman" Spiderman2 shit.

It made for a good story, but I wouldn’t want it to gum up two thirds of these movies. Batman’s implacable resolve to fix Gotham is just as much a part of his character as his brooding.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Christian Bale continues to do nothing for me as Batman.

He just seems like the American Psycho guy in a costume. The Batman movies are really uncomfortable if you’re wondering when Bruce Wayne is going to knife a hobo…

by Drew_D on Jul 18, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That hobo shouldn't have ruined his lighting.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I loved the movie, but yeah, Christian didn't bring a lot to it.

And the heavy, raspy voice he decided to use really gets on my nerves.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me every Batman movie has been more about the villains than Batman.

Good villains, good movie. Bad villains, bad movie. To a point, I really don’t care who plays Batman.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a good point.

As long as he puts a crazy hat on, wears black underwear over tights and races around the city like a maniac, he pretty much fades into the background because that’s just what you expect him to be doing.

There’s not much deviation, so it becomes all about the villains.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you think about it, Batman really is a lunatic.

“I have family-of-origin issues so I’m going to wear a bat costume for the next 40 years and start beating people up.”

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Putting his own life, health, fortune and future at risk.

The dude is loaded, why not just HIRE vigilantes?

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but in comic-book-time, he's only been in the costume for a decade, tops.

I also think there’s a difference between comic book Batman, which does a much better job of making Batman himself interesting, and TV/movie Batman, which since Adam West has been a good villain spotlight. Grant Morrison, for one, usually makes Batman himself interesting, as long as he isn’t shooting bullets through time.
Oh speaking of which: "Batman has never pissed ever, he has no bladder" – Grant Morrison

by yuniform on Jul 18, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, Batman never ages.

It works that way with most heroes. But there’s never been the impression that he plans to retire at some specific point. He thinks about giving it up all the time, but only because of his ongoing emotional issues.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was some show I'm thinking of... a cartoon, I think?

That was relatively recent, and featured old-man Batman talking to some new recruit he was training to be the new Batman.

I’m not into cartoons at all and I doubt it has ANY bearing on the true comic Batman, but I still found it interesting nonetheless.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was Batman Beyond.

I watched it for a while, and it was pretty good from what I remember.

by Eyebrows on Jul 18, 2011 2:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It really depends on the setting.

For example:
Animated Mr. Freeze: Awesome.
Movie Mr. Freeze: Painful.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jack Nicholson's Joker is really underrated.

“This town needs an enema! "

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Would have loved to see an expanded opportunity for Eckhart to give two-face the portrayal he deserved.

I have high expectations for Hardy’s Bane.

I agree that Pfeiffer did really well.

I would put DeVito up there with Carrey at least.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 18, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was pissed that he became two face, then the movie pretty much ended.

I would have loved to have seen that role filled out for a full movie.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't really like "Returns" (the original also holds up poorly, I think)

I didn’t mention DeVito mostly because I hated how they translated the Penguin to the screen. That’s not fair to him, I guess.

by yuniform on Jul 18, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, man. I don't want to start a war or anything because I doubt most people agree with me.

But my favorite villains probably rank thusly:

Jack Nicholson as The Joker
Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow
Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy, admittedly due to the fact I thought she was scorchingly hot when I was a young man

I’m still not sure how I feel about Heath Ledger, RIP.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me either.

I could see Arnold as Bane, though. If it weren’t for the accent and the fact that he just looks stupid, and Bane is supposed to be brilliantly smart.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt like Scarecrow didn't really get a lot of screen time

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Show cancellations:

Has anyone else just found a show, got all caught up on past episodes, then find out it’s cancelled without even a series finale?

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Dead Like Me

/single tear.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 18, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that "Black Like Me"?

I remember watching that in school.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The movie sucks

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I caught up watching it On Demand.

I really enjoyed it. Now I’m bummed. Of course, I am of a certain age myself. Not quite their age, but close enough.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just burned through 2 seasons of Better off Ted

that show was pretty funny. But it ends with no closure!

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I recall watching that show when it was on TV

I think just about every show I liked in college died out:

Andy Richter Controls the Universe
The Tick
Greg The Bunny
Undeclared
Arrested Development

Hmm, these were all on Fox. Well at least Venture Brothers survived!

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mecha Shiva!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 18, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

MECHA SHIVA!

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by bluemax on Jul 19, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Car buying questions!

Has anyone had any experience with using the BoA or Costco car buying programs? Looking into the vehicle I want (2011 Kia Optima), the BoA program has the car at $500 below invoice after my trade-in incentive.

Is it possible to negotiate using a guaranteed price as leverage (e.g. I would ask the dealer to make concessions knowing that I have a backup price from BoA)? Is it likely that I could get a better price were I simply to wait for the 2012 models to come out?

by seattlebruin on Jul 18, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't have experience with those specifically, but if you're good you can get a price lower than that.

“Invoice” is rarely what the dealer pays, and often like 3k higher than what the dealer pays. Then again, depending on what those programs are like, if you can avoid haggling or anything, sometimes the convenience alone would make that worth it…

Toot will probably have much better insight than me, but that’s just my 2 cents.

by HititHere on Jul 18, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, the no negotiations thing is the biggest plus to me

and also, I’m looking at what is a pretty popular car right now

by seattlebruin on Jul 18, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know the BoA program, but the Costco program is pretty well regarded for getting fair prices.

To answer your questions, it’s absolutely possible to use the guaranteed price as leverage – these programs usually annoy dealers for exactly that reason. But it’s very much worth using the guaranteed price as starting point in your negotiations.

But if you’re asking whether $500 below invoice on a popular car is a good deal, I’d say yes. It might be possible to get a better deal, but that’s certainly a good one, and I’d be tempted just to go with that.

by Chris Hafner on Jul 18, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

My temptation is to use it as leverage and then just work from there

though I’m supposed to negotiate for my trade-in first, right? That way they can’t get to the price they want by re-pricing my current car?

by seattlebruin on Jul 18, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct.

I’ve also heard that selling your car separately before you head to the dealer is the best way to go, but obviously a much bigger hassle. That way you remove a variable from your experience with the dealer, and the fewer variables when buying a car, the better.

by HititHere on Jul 19, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can come out so, so far ahead by doing this though.

I would even wait if upgrading until you know you can have both cars for a couple months while the old one sells. I ended up selling a pickup for $3000 that multiple dealers offered me $500 for on trade in.

by BigR on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was a 92 Sonoma.

A big reason the lots wouldn’t give me trade in is because they just really don’t like to deal with that old of cars, I’m sure it’d be a lot different if it was a newer pickup.

by BigR on Jul 19, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

$500.00 seems like the "we're going to wholesale this" number for trade-ins.

You can definitely get more selling it on your own. I’d think this applies to pretty much every trade-in though.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even the shitty used car lots were giving me a similar number.

It especially irked my because three years earlier I traded a 84 Jimmy in on said Sonoma and got something like a grand for it.

I came out great on that Sonoma though. I paid 2200+ Jimmy, drove it for three years and put 35000 miles on it, then sold it for $3000 cash.

by BigR on Jul 19, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's exactly it

A vehicle will hit a certain age/mileage/condition where a dealer won’t want it on their lot. So, they offer you less than $1,000 and then use your vehicle to offset the newer cars that they have to pay too much for

by tootthekazoo on Jul 19, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, this won't come in to play for you

If anything, your car would be one of the ones that they may have to “overpay” for to complete a deal. The dealer will pay more for your car because they bought the hypothetical $3,000 truck for just $500 from somebody. The dealer will use the net from the truck trade to offset the “loss” from buying your car by wholesaling the truck to a smaller lot for, say, $1,500

by tootthekazoo on Jul 19, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Power-late to the party here. Sure, you could get a better price waiting for the 2012 models

But keep in mind that you will likely be looking for a pretty specific model of the car and you could lose out on the car you want and subsequently see a higher price for the 2012 model by waiting. Tough gamble.

As for the pricing, $500 under invoice is a pretty good deal given the popularity of the vehicle. Disclose your trade up front and make sure you do your research for trade value. One thing to consider, however, is that if you’re buying the new car for $500 under invoice it just isn’t reasonable to expect top dollar for your trade. You can’t buy at a “wholesale” price and get retail for your trade. Despite popular belief, the invoice price is technically what the dealer “owns” the car for. I won’t go into specifics unless asked, but going below invoice on any car makes for a good deal to the consumer.

If you have any other questions or would like clarification, I’d be happy to hash things out through email so that we don’t bog down the thread.

by tootthekazoo on Jul 18, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt my ability as a Sexual Baller was too extreme for the family friendly confines of LL

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't serious

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither was I.

Internet sarcasm!

by Eyebrows on Jul 18, 2011 4:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wait, was THAT sarcsasm?

Is THIS sarcasm? I CANT HEAR MY TONE!

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 18, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you met Crazy Coach Carl.

Scruffy’s videos. And he’s definitely not a Sexy Baller.

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by perfectstrat on Jul 18, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't even

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by bluemax on Jul 19, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

its cool to see how so many of these guys are still active in ways that aren’t baseball

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by bluemax on Jul 18, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, that second one is a really cool article.

Although it’s an odd mix of players they went with.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 18, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Charles Gipson should be able to write an amazing book someday.
he spent 2006 in Iraq and Afghanistan with a private contracting company that worked with the government …
Gipson now lives in Houston, and works with a local school district as a behavior specialist.

by yuniform on Jul 18, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

So "Alphas" is a weird show. It's like they want to be the XMen, but wanted to stay within the bounds of physics, sort of.

Anyone else seen it? Do you hate the guy playing the govt agent and wish they’d kill him off already?

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by Faux on Jul 18, 2011 6:43 PM PDT reply actions  

So there's this brewery called Black Acre Brewing.

1) Go to there website. Here it is.

2) Click “Under 21.” Trust me.

3) Enjoy!

by Double06 on Jul 19, 2011 12:03 AM PDT reply actions   6 recs

Out. Standing.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 19, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I try to read Larry Stone and my eye finds the sidebar links such as this

Not enough for Mariners ownership to "Trust in Jack’’ while relying on the “The Bill Bavasi Fallback” to avoid spending what’s needed Posted by Geoff Baker – NEW – 7/19, 05:00 AM

by msb on Jul 19, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Baker has really turned into the LL villain

As much as I hate Baker, I’m almost starting to enjoy having this antagonist in the picture. What’s a storyline without a great antagonist?

by HititHere on Jul 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just to speak about Jack and not Baker...

How many people do you think have turned their back to Jack? After 2009 his job security was as solid as it could have been imagined when he was hired.
After 2010, when the dust had settled on the amazing Putz trade (a trade that is still giving today, but not nearly as noticed when Guti struggles. But the other players in the deal starting, as well as ripple effects from the trade are still paying off) and the M’s finished with the worst offense in the DH era and the 2nd worst record in baseball, Jack was already being questioned by Cameron (for the Lueke thing) and maybe the ground was a little shakier.
Now that he’s got a much larger sample size than just 2009, more wheeling and dealing, and an offense that is actually worse than 2010, and more writers saying that Jacks job isn’t guaranteed after the year….

I only wonder, how many people have turned their back on Jack? I haven’t personally, but I might at least understand the argument against him now.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I still have a ton of faith in him.

He was brought here to fix the entire organization, not just the big league club. I think if you look at the minor league system, and some of the guys that have graduated already (Smoak, Ackley, Seager, Beavan) you can see the progress that is being made.

I want a long term fix, not a short term band-aid.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not a bad set of trades.

Lost three guys we won’t miss, got Cliff for part of a year, and got at least two seemingly useful guys back. Not bad if you ask me.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lowe went to Texas, we didn't get him back in the Lee trade.

I was referring to Smoak and Lueke.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Random check-in!

JC Ramirez: 96 innings, 51 K’s, 33 bb, 88 hits allowed, 4.22 ERA, 22 years old in AA.

Phillippe Aumont: 38.2 innings, 54 ks, 16 bbs, 2.56 ERA, just moved to AAA, 22 years old, but as a reliever now.

Tyson Gillies has basically been no good news.

I’d definitely rather have the 3 non-Smoak players in the Texas trade (substitue Lawson for Laffey), than those 3.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can understand the argument against him now, too--it's been a few years, which is long enough for most people to start really complaining.

I still have faith in him, considering the state the system was in before he got here. There is a lot of talent piping through the minors now, and sooner or later some of that talent will start to come through.

Unfortunately, if the M’s completely tank and end up with another near-worst record, there will be a lot of people calling for his head. Admittedly, I think he’s made some mistakes, and one of the biggest mistakes to me is underestimating how necessary a sense of “excitement” is to the fans. An utter lack of offense for several years straight is eroding his public support, probably more so than if the team was more balanced but still swooning the way it is now.

I am not a casual fan in any sense of the word, and I would rather we arrived at this same record via more offense at the expense of pitching. Games are boring, and borderline unbearable even when we’re not mired in a 9 game losing streak.

by HititHere on Jul 19, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... if there was ever an example of where name recognition doesn't buy you everything in Hollywood, this is it.

While his plans were ambitious, Universal has stopped production on Ron Howards mega-large planned adaptation of The Dark Tower.

Let’s see:
A novel by Stephen King.
Directed by Ron Howard.
Starring Javier Bardem.
Produced by Brian Grazer.
Written by Akiva Goldsman (A Beautiful Mind, I, Robot, The Da Vinci Code, I am Legend)

The plan was for 3 movies and 2 TV mini-series. (Grazer has produced the TV side on things like Friday Night Lights, 24, Lie to Me, Arrested Development, Sports Night, and dozens of movies)

Sounds like a large budget, but wow, this could be amazing if it gets picked up by another studio.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 19, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Favorite board game of all time?

I’m torn between Risk, Monopoly and Solarquest

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmm.

Probably something between Betrayal at House on the Hill, Dominion, and Smallworld. Honorable mentions to Shogun, Pandemic, and Dune.

by joof on Jul 19, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trivial Pursuit!

They don’t have boards, really, but Taboo and Scattergories are awesome, also.

by yuniform on Jul 19, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Be careful.

There’s 3 versions of the game, and the middle one is really watered down and awful. The original is the best, but the most recent release is supposed to be playable even if it lacks the utter ridiculousness of the first release.

by Drew_D on Jul 19, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uno

That is one ridiculously addictive game.

by pdb on Jul 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I used to be a bigger fan until I realized you have to have the right mix of people.

You have to have a couple of competitives, one joker, and an oddball.. If it’s all jokers or oddballs nothing gets accomplished and if it’s all competitive types it gets dull.

And you can’t play with family, or else it gets weird.

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by Faux on Jul 19, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much this

one way we found to spice it up was to not use green cards, and whoever’s turn it is gets to make up their own category.

The current favorite is “what’s the newest horrible STD called?”

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

We also took Helen Keller out of the deck because she was actually meta

the card was so good that people would play it when it somehow wasn’t funny, or it was so funny that it wasn’t funny. It essentially had lapped itself in value

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I played this with my younger siblings (all in their early 20s)

and my cousin who is in like the first grade at Christmas this past year.

I really, really had to restrain myself the whole game.

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by bluemax on Jul 19, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

And by this I mean Apples to Apples

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by bluemax on Jul 19, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

King's Court T-Shirt design up for vote

I created a FanPost but wanted to get it up here too.

I’m voting for 1 personally, but would be happy with either new design.

Link to voting.

by CMC_Stags on Jul 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I like # 2.
  1. does look Ed Hardy-ish, and I thought #3 looked “off”. There’s something not right about it, but I can’t put my finger on it.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

Kids should be allowed to take risks to an extent. Get bruises and scrapes, hell broken arms even. And not every little league game needs to end in a tie, or with every kid being allowed to play. Pain and failure are part of growing up.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I was in 3rd or 4th grade, we had this tree-house type of thing that had slides, monkey bars, etc attached to it.

I remember walking my dog there a while back and noticed that they lowered the height of it by about 6 feet.

So depressing.

by d0nkey on Jul 19, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

They got rid of swings at my elementary school while I was in the 4th grade.

Because of fear of injury, recess was never the same afterwards.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Jul 19, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

As ridiculous as it is, and I COMPLETELY AGREE with the article above

I actually had a relative who died on a swing (a tire swing, not a swingset) when we were wee little ones. It wasn’t at a school, but in a litigation-happy society it really only takes 1 fatality to completely change an institution’s policy on something as silly as swings.

Somebody probably did something stupid and got hurt on a swing, some stupid parent threatened to sue, and bam, no swings anywhere in the state.

by HititHere on Jul 19, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of like the guy who just died in the Maui blowhole and now all the relatives are like

“$$$$$ There were no signs saying that falling in the blowhole would result in drowning!!!! $$$$$”

They’re going to ruin that part of Maui for the entire world.

by HititHere on Jul 19, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was my thought as well

I can only hope he bashed his head on a rock and lost consciousness quickly. They haven’t found the body.

by HititHere on Jul 19, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

A friend of mine built a play set for his kids in his back yard.

He had to custom build about 60% of it, because they don’t sell anything fun anymore.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or maybe they should make every kid play so they figure out how bad they really are.

There once was a kid on my little league team,(this wasn’t a select team) that always got to pitch even though he was really bad and wow was it fun to see a lead diminish with the amount of home runs he gave up.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Jul 19, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with that for t-ball, and to begin with for other sports.

But at some point the kids have to learn that not everyone gets to play, just because they want to. I want to play CF for the Mariners, but I don’t get to.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man being the CF/SS in any team meant you were the stud

I always had the pleasure of being the 2B and watching the star refuse to feed me the ball for a double play, rather sprinting across tagging the base then throwing the ball for an out. He was pretty damn good at it though.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Jul 19, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like the striker in soccer, or the QB in football.

I was pretty good at sports, but never THAT kid.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was the keeper in soccer since everybody else wanted to be the striker.

blocks goal Hey nice job kiddo!
our striker kicks a goal in GOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL, ripping of shirts, gnashing of teeth, the whole ordeal.

Ever since then I developed a love for goalkeepers.

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Jul 19, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a goalkeeper for many years before I moved to midfield, then finally to left wing.

I know how you feel. What I don’t know is why they ever put me at left wing, since I was horrible with my left foot.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on this 100%.

If it’s an intramural (did I spell that correctly?) sort of thing, then every kid should play, by all means. But if it’s the kind of leagues I played in growing up, there should be realistic expectations.

They weren’t all “select” leagues, but I don’t remember what they were called. Like my soccer team was part of the Evergreen Soccer Association. We had a “sponsor” and traveled some, but we weren’t “select”. It was still kids from local neighborhoods.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very few little league games end in ties and what's the point of playing for fun if not everyone gets to play?

there’s a reason the mandatory play rule is phased out at age 13.

Coaches still play all their players every game anyway because shouldn’t another thing we teach be that effort is rewarded? Shouldn’t the really bad kid who tries hard get to at least play a little bit even if he/she is terrible?

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as that play doesn't have to be successful, perfectly fine idea.

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by Faux on Jul 19, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, but the whole thing is that if we're saying things like this need to be learning experiences

then professional athletes don’t really count – they’ve done their adolescent growing up (for the most part) already.

But for kids though, sports is about things beyond the game – life values like teamwork, effort, competitiveness, dedication, etc.

For pro athletes, I don’t give a shit if Chone Figgins tries really hard – he’s getting other rewards besides playing time. When I’m helping coach a Little League team, of course I want to play the best players the most, but there’s no way the best players should get to play all the time at the expense of never letting the worst players play.

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know you were kidding, just wanted to further clarify my point

this is kind of a sore spot for me (and no, before someone says it, I am not a bad athlete by any stretch of the imagination)

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Play is the reward when you're 9 years old

Winning and losing is just part of it. As bruin says, effort should be rewarded.

by pdb on Jul 19, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, but part of the reward come from putting in the effort to play better.

I had to fight for playing time in soccer because I was playing in a higher age group. So I went home and practiced my ass off to make sure the coach would put me in.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're on the same page here for the most part

but I also don’t see the harm in playing even the worst kid for a half inning or so – it’s possible that kid is putting in the effort too, and he’s/she’s not as athletically gifted so the improvement isn’t visible. But why should they sit on the bench if they’re working just as hard as the rest of the kids?

by pdb on Jul 19, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they can make the team, they should play.

I just don’t think every kid is entitled to make the team.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

As long as you separate correctly (and as the adults and people in charge of the league, that is up to you to do), everyone who wants to play on a team should get to play on a team. They might not get to play at the higher levels, but they should get to play.

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Any kid who wants to play, theoretically should be able to find a team (and play on that team). But if you have five teams available, and 400 kids, what do you do?

But back to the point, lets say you have four leagues. “A” is the highest, “D” the lowest. The kid that couldn’t hang on to a ball when it’s handed to him , or throw a ball past his shoelaces, should not be automatically allowed in the “A” league, then allowed to play at the expense of a young phenom. The kid should be in the “D” league, where he can play with similarly skilled players. And yes, once he is on a “D” team, he should play at least some in every game. If he puts in enough effort and has enough skill, maybe he can work his way up to the higher leagues. But it shouldn’t be handed to him.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is great.

But what if there are more kids than they have room for on the teams?

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

But at some point there has to be a limit.

Just due to complexity of the league, scheduling, umpires, etc.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most leagues make a small profit that's put back into the league to buy more equipment, pay umpires, reserve fields, etc

complexity is the only issue, and since leagues are district based, worse players would not have an alternative place to play if they so desired.

More players isn’t an issue – it’s a headache, but not one that can’t easily be fixed.

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

My nephew's little league games didn't keep score,

and they announced the end of every game as a tie. Pissed me off.

As for playing, every kid that makes the team should play, but not every kid that shows up should automatically make the team. Unless we’re talking about Boys and Girls club type stuff.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

How old was your nephew?

and for leagues where this makes sense, it’s already done. There’s a reason Little League majors has drafts for their teams.

Every kid that shows up should get to play. The ones who aren’t particularly good should (and do) play at a lower level than the rest of the players.

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't remember how old he was at the time.

Probably 12 or so?

“The ones who aren’t particularly good should (and do) play at a lower level than the rest of the players.” If this is true, then I have no objection to the way it’s handled. If the less skilled players can all go play against themselves, that’s wonderful. But that wasn’t an option when I was a kid. If you wanted to play, you had to earn your spot.

My main thing is that I don’t think it’s fair to the kids that ARE really good to go out and play their butts off for (guessing here) 7 innings to get the lead, and then the scrubs come in and lose the game. The “skilled” kids should be rewarded for their effort as well, and some of that reward is being able to earn a win.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't the better players also have to learn the value that sometimes people fuck up and you have to help carry them through it?

I have no idea how on earth your nephew was playing in a non-score league at age 12, because the last time we didn’t have standings was like age 6 or 7.

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was told it was some city-wide thing.

Unless you were “select” there were not standings, therefore every game was considered a “tie” (even though everyone knew who won and lost).

And you have a valid point about the value of learning that sometimes you have to help along other people. And I think that’s just fine. I just don’t think you should have situations where there are say, 14 kids on a team that all know how to play baseball, and can generally catch, throw and hit, but some of those kids have to sit after the 7th inning so that the 4 kids that can’t play the sport at all get a chance to show of their uniforms.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not how the everyone plays rule works at all in Little League

because players can re-enter, most of the worse players will get an at-bat or play an inning or two in the field in the third or fourth innings, and the better players will re-enter after that.

That way, the best players (and even the average-ish ones) get the honor of starting, but also decide the game in the end, plus everyone gets a chance to play in the game.

by seattlebruin on Jul 19, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's better then.

But I still don’t think that it should be a “right” to play for a team, unless it’s some sort of community center thing, or a parks and rec sort of thing.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I was an 8 year old and I just got blatantly demolished by the other team

as so often happened… I’d be horribly ashamed if the announcer blares “and we have a tie!” when every kid on my team knew we gave up 35 runs.

by HititHere on Jul 19, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's who most of the kids felt in my nephews league.

It was embarrassing for everyone. Shortly after that he quit playing baseball completely and focused on football instead.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never understood such a transparent lie. Kids know how to count.

How come you can do all this other great shit, but you can't lie the fuck down and sleep?

by JAH on Jul 19, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had a jungle gym exactly like that in my grade school

and it was on a concrete playground, as well. Good times!

by pdb on Jul 19, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am amazed that my childhood didn't kill me

One of our favorite things to do in the summer was to smash a soda can flat and huck it as far down the street as we could. We would then ride our bikes towards said soda can as fast as possible and hit the brakes right when we got to the can, in an attempt to skid down the road as fast as we could. How I didn’t die or mangle/lose many limbs doing this I have no idea.

And that doesn’t even get in to the bottle rocket fights we used to have around the 4th of July.

by pdb on Jul 19, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

A few years ago, my friends and I visited a playground in a nearby park.

We were surprised at how difficult everything seemed. Instead of the standard monkeybars, they had this setup where there were these angled wheels that would only move forward or back so much before locking. As a result, it was near impossible to get anywhere because as soon as you got any forward momentum, the wheel would slide back and you wouldn’t be able to reach the next one. We were hoping that the whole thing was designed to teach the kids about failure, but it was probably accidental.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 19, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had been talking about it because one of my friends there had worked as a nanny.

She said that a lot of times the kids would climb to the highest point and then start crying because they got scared and didn’t know how to get down on their own. She usually refused to intervene and waited until they figured out a way to solve the problem themselves.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett Mariners Minors

by JY on Jul 19, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kids (and people in general) need to learn to face adversity.

I don’t know why people are so against this. I understand that it’s never good to have a child killed or seriously injured, but that can happen anywhere and at anytime. We’re so risk-averse as a society of blows my mind.

Sobriety ain't too bad...

by Thingray on Jul 19, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

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