I Pay Little Attention to Managerial Quotes
Eric Wedge has made some comments that have stuck with people on this site and in some cases spawned probably overstated beliefs. Two that I am thinking of specifically are his oft-misrepresented hatred of walks and his love of Carlos Peguero due to Peguero's batting practice displays.
I try not to assign weight to statements like these for a couple reasons. I don't know how glib they are for one. Or often know what tone of voice they were said in. Body language and other not explicitly verbal clues contain much of our meaning when we communicate and reading later on dead tree or via electrons can strip that meaning away.
Probably my most frequently stated cause for largely ignoring these is that I have little expectation for the manager to actually be forthright with his statements. I wish he would be because then I could more accurately judge how I feel about his decisions if I knew -- and could trust -- his reasons for making them. Talking to the press presents certain risks and benefits and unfortunately for me, enlightening me to his truthful reasoning offers no benefit and carries sizable risk.
We know that unconventional managerial practices are easy fodder when they backfire for armchair analysts. Offering a concrete evaluation merely opens the manager up to criticism. Additionally, he risks alienating his players. The manager's goal is to win baseball games, and that does not dovetail with being exceptionally and brutally honest on his feelings about certain players. So why should he? Furthermore, there's no recourse if he doesn't. He's not a public employee. I cannot freedom of information act my way into discovering why he called a hit and run in the fourth inning or why Dustin Ackley isn't hitting second.
Basically, all that boils down to, "what do you expect him to say?" as I move on and ignore it. But reading through a link Jeff tweeted reminded me of another important reason not to take these to heart too often. We rarely have anywhere close to the complete context. We don't know the goings on in the clubhouse. We don't know how certain players respond to encouragement versus disapproval. And we also rarely know the question being asked! We get the response from Wedge or whomever, but how often do we get a full transcript? If that doesn't sound important, consider this quote from Sam Miller who writes for the Orange County Register and occasionally works the Angels' beat.
PO: Angels' manager Mike Scioscia seems to be a difficult guy to get much depth out of in interviews, as he tends to rely on a lot of baseball clichés to keep from giving away too much information. Have you found an effective way to get more out of him? Is he as difficult to crack as he seems?
SM: The important revelation was that the clichés aren't for Scioscia's benefit. They're for the reporters. In a lot of cases, those clichés are what reporters need: A quick quote, a concise quote, something predictable. A lot of times as a reporter, you're asking questions for a story that you've already mostly written, either actually written or at least written in your head. So you call your sources and ask them leading questions until they say the thing that you had them saying in your head all along.
Wouldn't it be silly to get all bothered about a quote that even the quote giver himself didn't actually put stock in, but was simply trying his best to provide filler copy for an overworked beat writer? I think it's fine to speculate on, critique or applaud statements from the manager. I just also think that while doing so, the possibility that you might not have anywhere near the full truth should stay ever present in your mind. As with everything, it's probably more complicated.
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I think about wedge’s Peguero comments. What is Wedge going to say – that he doesn’t understand why Peguero is on the 25-man and how Peguero’s presence is hamstringing him???
Or is he going to put the best possible light on things – talk about how well Peguero is doing in batting practice and how hard he works, play up whatever Peguero does do well, talk about how much intangible stuff Peguero picks up playing while being with the MLB club??? You really can’t infer anything about what Wedge might thing of Peguero based on what Wedge says to the news media.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead
Well stated Matthew
No one is kept more in the dark than fans. I grew up with Leo Durocher and the Cubs. The reporters loved him, as they did Pinela, but you still never really knew what was going on.
But it doesn’t stop there. It’s also true with analysis pieces and blogs. The saber crowd had to fight for respectability, and have gained it to a large degree, but you still have to be careful in accepting opinions as rote. Fans run with that as well. UZR.
Baker appears to write with the intent of fanning flames to get blog hits. But who knows? Anyone who writes on a daily or even part-time basis has to come up with something.
We’ll likely never know why they kept running Peguero out there.
I still hope someday to watch a manager go completely, unemployably insane in a post-game
"Well, that’s what makes it a turd sandwich. You name a sandwich after what’s in the middle, not what’s on the outside. Batting Lopie 9th would be, like, uh, some other kind of sandwich with a turd on the side. Well, I guess it’d be more like a sandwich with a turd on top of it… or the bottom, I guess? Or would it mean it would be some kind of bread made of turd?… Oh, one piece of turd bread and one piece of Ichiro bread… Hmm… OOH! Wait! Benching him! THAT would be some other kind of sandwich with a turd on the side." –Don Wakamatsu, after being told by Future Don Wakamatsu that he was going to be fired anyway, on batting Jose Lopez 4th
His cleanup headscratcher was Turbo, if I remember correctly
I guess that would have been a better example.
by groovewrangler on Jul 13, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that Wedge hates walks quote seemed way overblown.
Although when something we can see – such as Peguero being not very good but playing anyway – matches up with a quote, it’s not too much of a stretch to find the quote frustrating, as long as it’s not used as proof in an argument. Quotes still can be true, of course.
...and now I'm here
The managerial quote I most remember was ...
… Mike Hargrove talking about his rationale in bringing in Julio Mateo with the bases loaded and one out because he thought Julio Mateo was the best option to get a double play groundball. Mateo, of course, was one of the most extreme flyball pitchers in baseball – he was the worst possible choice to try to get a double play.
At the time, I was never too sure if Hargrove was just throwing out words, or if he actually thought Mateo was the best choice. I finally decided that must have been what Hargrove thought, because the situation was clearly a double play setting, and among the options available to him to get that double play grounder, Hargrove deliberately selected Mateo.
So that quote was one that I consider as revealing of the managers thinking. It also legitimized some of the pointed criticisms that were being made of Hargrove.
"Most all good Americans hate the Yankees. It is a value we cherish and pass on to our children like decency and democracy and the importance of a good breakfast." - William B. Mead

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