The Mariners' Defensive Conundrum
The biggest drains on the Mariners' UZR rating currently are Milton Bradley, Ryan Langerhans and Ichiro Suzuki. Langerhans was mostly because of his atrocious work in center field which looked as bad to the eye as it did in the stat sheets. Bradley was similarly plagued in left field and for whatever reason, UZR is well down on Ichiro in right field. For the first month of the season, we had by far baseball's worst outfield defense, which is not a claim I think many would have thought possible before the year.
Now I'm not enamored with UZR, or any defensive metric for that matter. I think they can give us the broad strokes especially when combined with our other comprehensive defense stats, but perhaps even the plus-or-minus five run margin of error we've typically employed has been too exact. Ultimately, the goal is to turn batted balls into outs and so I decided to take a look at how the team is faring on that measurement. After all, it struck me as curious that our run prevention has been so superb if paired with a defense so horrid.
Indeed, the Mariner pitchers currently have the eighth-lowest BABIP at .282. This despite nothing in the batted ball profile suggesting the defenders should be performing over their heads. In fact, it's the opposite as Mariner pitchers have surrendered one of the league's highest line drive rates and one of the league's lowest infield fly rates. Additionally, it's getting better over time.
Granted, BABIP numbers in the raw are potentially misleading because there are park factors at play. Oakland with its large amount of foul territory should yield lower BABIPs than Colorado with its large tracts of fair territory. Correcting for that is difficult but would probably involve something along the lines of taking a combination of the single, double and triple handed park factors that I have on StatCorner. Instead of doing all that work for this minor point however, I instead just leave you with the warning to not ignore parks. I wipe my hands of your future misinterpretations!
What I am left with is that the balls in play facing this team's defense would seem to predict them turning a below average amount into outs. Instead, they have one of baseball's best rates at capturing them for outs. It doesn't appear related to Safeco Field in any meaningful way as their BABIP is actually higher at home than it is on the road so far. I will continue to do some digging here as there are potentially interesting splits to be found league-wide, but as for now, I am puzzled. Unless I am missing something, Occam's razor would lead me to state that the Mariners actually have one of baseball's best team defenses.
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Isn't UZR entirely results based?
That would seem to indicate that our UZR should be fantastic if we’re doing a good job of turning batted balls into outs.
Perhaps it has something to do with extra base hits given up or not turning double plays; does UZR account for the type of hit and weight the run expectation accordingly?
+/- DRS seems to think we're a lot better than UZR
also hilariously, our +/- DRS leaders are a guy who has played a third of the season and a starting pitcher
DRS (and TZ), as far as I know, doesn't rebalance itself until after the season is over.
So using it mid-season is problematic because the baseline isn’t 0.
Ah, got it
that makes no intuitive sense, but oh well.
Do you happen to know what the current average is?
I think this is just another example of UZR being unreliable in small samples.
I have nothing against the metric specifically, as I think ML did a fucking amazing job coming up with it in the first place. I do, however, fear that our ability to analyze defense is going to continue to be plagued by far too many random factors that are beyond expectation and control.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 9, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Or this is just weird
UZR is unreliable in small samples because defense as a whole, like BABIP against, is unreliable in small samples. If we are seeing a very poor Mariners defensive effort, it should be reflected both in their BABIP against as well as their UZR, not one or the other.
The derivation of UZR is essentially:
(Outs Made – Expected Outs) * Runs Per Play
DER/BABIP reflects the Outs Made portion; UZR is saying that it thinks that the Mariners should have been expected to make quite a few more outs than the average defensive team, given their distribution of batted balls. (Now, whether or not you believe UZR is up to you – I wouldn’t, but that’s me.)
It could be many things, tough to know with UZR being black box.
For instance, the Mariners could be just incredibly lucky and having a lot of batted balls hit right at fielders. Also BABIP isn’t a direct competitor to UZR. UZR’s going to weight things like errors different from just not-out.
Right, but wouldn't that pull our UZR up as well?
that would essentially provide a zero contribution to our UZR, assuming our fielders are positioned fairly normally.
I graphed BABIP against UZR and it looks like there’s a slight negative correlation, which we would expect. For some reason, the teams with the best BABIPs have a few UZR outliers (Atlanta and Seattle) whereas the teams with the worst BABIPs also have the worst UZRs almost uniformly.
Did you do your graph for just this season, or did you graph from last season?
This season may be too prone to SSS.
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps
I'm going to graph last season...give me a few minutes.
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps
I got an r-squared of .349 for last season.
What did you get for this one?
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps
So pretty similar.
There aren’t any big outliers in mine, but there’s a huge spread, as the D’backs had a +56.6 UZR and a .296 BABIP, while the Indians has a -55.7 UZR with a .297 BABIP.
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps
What I draw from your graph is this:
Ryan Langerhans sucks.
Carlos Peguero sucks more than Bradley.
Franklin Gutierrez is the shit.

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