Today's Fun Fact
I noticed, while doing my morning rounds, that today is Kenji Johjima's 35th birthday. Johjima is currently happy and successful back in Japan, but it was just two years ago that he was a Mariner. And, for a backstop, he was a pretty good Mariner. I know that, after last season's catching experience, a lot of fans wished the M's had a catcher that measured up to Kenji, who I think was underrated in his time.
Well, I have good news: it looks like they do.
During his four seasons with Seattle, Kenji posted an OPS+ of 91, and a wRC+ - like OPS+, only with wOBA - of 90. Miguel Olivo, meanwhile, is sitting on an OPS+ of 96 and a wRC+ of 88. And none of Olivo's luck indicators are flashing big red warning lights. Everything seems to be right about in line, so we can feel fairly comfortable - not absolutely comfortable, but fairly comfortable - that what Olivo has done so far at the plate is more or less an accurate reflection of his ability.
Catchers, of course, don't only hit. Kenji gets the edge on Olivo in blocking balls and throwing out potential base-stealers. But then, Olivo is the superior baserunner, and one can't discount the fact that pitchers love working with Olivo, where they didn't love working with Johjima so much. We don't know how much significance to place on this, but we can't ignore it entirely. It's a part of the game that matters, even if we kind of suck at measuring it.
Miguel Olivo is a very different catcher from Kenji Johjima, with some dissimilar strengths and weaknesses. Yet he ends up at about the same place, if not somewhere ahead, depending on how much you care about his should-be tangible intangibles. Those of you who miss Kenji can continue missing Kenji, but those of you who miss Kenji's performance should be content with what the Mariners are running out now.
Miguel Olivo is signed to a two-year, $7 million contract. That's really not bad. It's probably quite good.
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Probably underrated, but I don't think many of us really missed his .272 wOBA and his .305 wOBA in his final 2 years.
His ’06 and ’07 performances are sure missed, however.
Obviously, 2008 was a disaster
2009 wasn’t bad, though. Not from that position.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 8, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I still love Johjima.
I also really really wanted to like Olivo when he came through the first time, and so (aside from the occasional lapses in side-to-side movement that allows a ball to sail all the way to the backstop) I’ve been pretty content.
I'd hate to think where we'd be this year if we had tried to find an in-house solution to catcher this year rather than sign Olivo.
He’s been rather wonderful all things considered.
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In that photo
It would appear Ichiro is holding far more baseballs than any human hand should be capable of.
You can't hold three baseballs in your hand?
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
There are more than you can see
Look at the location of the top-most ball and how much of it you can see. There’s obviously another ball in there pushing that one outward. Also, I don’t see a finger holding the middle and bottom-most ball in place, indicating there could be yet another ball outside of the photo that we can’t see.
Quite the analysis
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. Ugh
This highlights the misperceptions many Mariner fans had about Olivo at the time of the signing.
Many envisioned Olivo producing at the level he was in 2005, and while that’s a possibility, it’s a whole lot less likely than his results over the past few seasons.
It’s still a little early to call the signing a success, but it’s looked pretty good so far.
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps
April sure had me crying into my beer about the signing.
Who's gonna save the world? Who's gonna save the day? From Ahab crabs who steal and eerie eels with evil rays?
Your point is well taken
Nevertheless, Olivo’s OPS+ for Seattle is 63.
by Elmer Antwhistle on Jun 8, 2011 1:09 PM PDT reply actions
What in blue blazes are you talking about
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 8, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I see. If you factor in how he played as a 25-26 year old, many years ago, over 320 PAs.
That’s pretty good analysis.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 8, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
What Olivo does for us right now is not important. What really matters is the overall time he has been here including the times that are no longer relevant to today in which wait what in the world?
It's a very good article
But to compare Johjima’s entire Seattle career, including a substantial decline phase, with half a season of the best of Olivo is probably not terribly relevant either. But it is fun.
by Elmer Antwhistle on Jun 9, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoah, clean-shaven Ichiro.
I’ve been satisfied with Olivo so far although he looked fairly bad earlier on.
Aaron Curry was a bust the moment he took the field.
Replace home-plate umpires and their terrible strike zones with technology!
by Fearless Frog on Jun 8, 2011 1:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm surprised you describe them as dissimilar
Maybe I don’t remember Kenji that well, or maybe Im mistaken about Olivo, but I think of both guys as pretty high contact hitters who walk little but have 15-20 home run power from the right side, pretty much all to LF.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 8, 2011 1:44 PM PDT reply actions
I don't mean this to sound harsh but you seriously think of Miguel Olivo as a high contact hitter?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 8, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well until now I did
Although it was more because he has a low walk rate and is hispanic than based on facts.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 8, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
At least I acknowledged my own irrationality in hating the signing at the time.
Also, I’ve just discovered how not to be held accountable for being wrong. Sweet.
by Suburban Shocker on Jun 8, 2011 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
I don't think you can undervalue the fact that Olivo speaks spanish as well.
I’d imagine it helps with guys like Pineda.
I can undervalue it easily.
Watch me do it right here:
The fact that Olivo speaks Spanish has no value.
by Matthew on Jun 8, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was a vocal dissident at the time of the Olivo signing.
I just did not want to watch him play for the Mariners again. I said he combined the catching of Rob Johnson with the bat of Jose Lopez. Olivo still is not good at catching but has found the ability to walk occasionally and hits the ball hard. For me though, the odd part is that during the early part of this season when Olivo was in a horrible slump, I found that I was still mostly enjoying him play. He plays hard and joyfully supports his team mates. The total package he brings offensively and defensively is a serviceable catcher. Go Miguel.

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