Mike Carp Joins Mariners, Mike Wilson Unjoins Mariners
With the Mariners' offense struggling so bad, it grew impossible for us to ignore Mike Carp's performance in Tacoma. Turns out it grew impossible for the Mariners' front office to ignore as well, and so tonight Carp has been promoted, with Mike Wilson going back down.
For Wilson, it's a bummer, if only because he earned his opportunity by hitting the crap (ed. note: or carp! lol) out of the ball and is now going right back where he was after collecting all of 28 Major League plate appearances. They weren't 28 good plate appearances, mind you, but Wilson barely got to play, that being the consequence of the M's running into a bunch of righties. Hopefully he can take something away from the experience aside from the higher paycheck and resumes doing what he was doing with the Rainiers.
But obviously, the story here is Carp, who came into action on Tuesday with a 1.074 OPS. Amazingly, that's only the 12th-best OPS in the PCL, but five of the guys ahead of him hit at elevation, and lately Carp has been hotter than the ash spewing out from the Puyehue-Cordon Caulle volcanic complex. The M's couldn't keep him down any longer - not with the big league offense hitting like it's hitting - and now we'll get to see how much of Carp's success can carry over.
That is, at least, assuming he gets to play. The situation is a little murky, with Carp, Greg Halman and Carlos Peguero all sort of sharing left field. But I can't imagine that Carp would be behind Peguero on the depth chart, and Peguero could very well be the guy who goes away whenever Dustin Ackley is promoted. Carp could also sneak his way into the occasional start at DH.
So it looks like Carp will get a real shot to show what he can do. It's important to be reasonable about your expectations, but it's also important to realize that Carp has taken a step forward, and that he's probably going to be an improvement. If he hits well, awesome. If he hits okay, fine. If he doesn't hit well, that sucks, but at least the M's will have given him an opportunity. Promoting Carp was the right move to make, and I'm looking forward to seeing some dingers in left that aren't packaged with the most aggressive batting approach in the entire Major Leagues.
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While it's a shame to see a good story in Mike Wilson go
Especially considering he barely got a chance to play, I’m glad to see THE BIG FISH on the Major League roster.
Offense.
Please.
My name is oddly non-Mike Carp-related
Also that video is bizarre.
I think this is old
I feel like I’ve definitely seen it before
by JLC on Jun 7, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it is.
I thought I was going to have to retire it the 2nd time Carp was sent down.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno, he's using chatspeak.
It’s only a matter of time before the mods catch him.
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps
by perfectstrat on Jun 7, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone clearly wasn't around for the Nyjer Morgan post last year
by wyte_lightning on Jun 8, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
And just in case everyone forgot...
Link to computer-crushing glory.
by wyte_lightning on Jun 8, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy Hell!
I just lost my entire lunch break in that thread
by CurryInAHurry59 on Jun 8, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Several of the good ones are no longer there, it seems.
But there is still a gold mine in that thread. It’s my favorite thread of all time. My personal favorite I think has to be the watermelon one…
If Peguero goes away when Ackley gets called up, then we'll be stuck with seven infielders.
I don’t know how this situation is going to work out, but it will be interesting.
"Satisfaction is the enemy of success." SanFranPreps
Offer Chone Figgins as some sort of ritual sacrifice.
Aaron Curry was a bust the moment he took the field.
Replace home-plate umpires and their terrible strike zones with technology!
by Fearless Frog on Jun 7, 2011 8:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My only hope is that Carp hits so well I can forget just how goddamn ugly he is.
by truemsfan on Jun 7, 2011 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, to some
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by TIFO on Jun 7, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Maybe when he gives a post-game interview after a game-winning HR
he’ll have a mildly ironic, self-deprecating manner that will make us see him differently from then on. The Inner Carp. The Carp in his head.
Maybe he’s a likable guy. It’s possible.
ignacio
If Jeff didn't constantly feel the need to focus upon the flaws of others
he could have gone with “Mike Carp gets payback for stealing the Pilots.”
Those appear to be Brewers fans, no?
And Carp looks like he’s elbowing one of them in the chops.
Post idea for Jeff
Post every phrase you search for with Google for one week.
From microbiology, to baseball players that sound like baked goods, to currently erupting volcanoes.
I did not need to Google the currently erupting volcano
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
Not even for the spelling?
Maybe you actually ARE Google.
by doublemazaa on Jun 7, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's a currently erupting volcano?
Get me Tommy Lee Jones
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Jeff inspired me to become a geology major
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by OceanBird on Jun 7, 2011 10:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guessing...
that arrangement is short-lived.
Even so, why do it for a day or two when you don't have to?
Will people really be sad if Peguero goes down 2 days before Wilson?
Me either.
But Jeff could be right about Peguero going down for Ackley. And us keeping a bunch of infielders.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It could work...
Ackley is a natural outfielder so he can probably slide out to LF if needed.
They won't move Ackley.
Figgins would be more likely.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
He played OF and 1B in college. He doesn’t seem like the type to be bothered by sliding out to LF in late innings.
Meh...
I can’t think of one prospect that failed in MLB citing playing too many positions as the primary cause.
He needs experience at second, and his bat isn't as valuable as a left fielder
There is just no way they’d shift him around an while he’s tryin to adjust to the majors. Unrelated note, is that PLU as in Pacific Lutheran University?
by Shmelix Shmernandez on Jun 7, 2011 9:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He hardly played OF in college.
And hasn’t played out there for almost 3 years.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd feel better running Kennedy out in left to be honest.
Though, I could see Kennedy getting a lot more time at third. Contract or not, there’s only so much futility you can accept from Figgins.
The team has spent almost two years grooming him as the 2B of the future.
Jerking him around Morrow-style would be counter-productive.
Seems kind of silly.
Maybe the team thought Peguero had more upside than Wilson and wanted to keep him working with the big league coaches? Or maybe Peguero will get sent down tomorrow to call up Ackley.
Peguero's June line: .427 / .529 / .923
It is simply impossible to demote someone under those circumstances with the way this team is hitting.
Unless he barbecues a kitten in the outfield as sacrifice to the ghost of Osama bin Laden. Yeah, that’d about do it.
"With the way the TEAM is hitting"
I’m sure the team isn’t fooled into thinking Peguero is Pujols. But he’s not the guy you demote today. Right now. Immediately.
Peguero's season OPS is now .722
Good for third on the team. Still a sample small enough not to be fair (79 PA’s), but more meaningful than 15 AB’s.
I don’t think the sample size matters in this case. You can’t punish success. I’m not saying this is the real Peguero, just that you can’t demote him when other guys deserve it more. That’s how Peguero and Carp are on the same roster. For now.
It's entirely SLG led, he has so many damn flaws but the power is the only reason he'll stay.
Even then he’s still one dimensional player
You got slurved!
I think its obvious that the team already thought that Peguero was a better player than Mike Wilson. But that's not saying much.
Peguero’s job is safe until the next callup.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Can Carp spot Smoak at first occasionally?
He looks like a first baseman, that’s for sure
Ready to Play
He is a 1B...
Not a very good one, but people act like he’s Edgar Martinez over there. He’s not totally immobile.
Irony is my favorite word that begins with iron.
by It's Good To Be King on Jun 7, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
*This won't create any replies that say "No it isn't"
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The four-letter word that ironic starts with.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I said help me out, not make me more confused.
by It's Good To Be King on Jun 7, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The top hat? The dog? The car? The wheelbarrow? The battleship? The sack of money? The man on horseback? The train? The thimble? The howitzer? The shoe?
I’m just getting nowhere.
by It's Good To Be King on Jun 7, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The howitzer? What the hell kind of monopoly are you playing?
by I'mSureI'veSeenWorse on Jun 7, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think my version says to use common household items
so what the hell do I know…
by I'mSureI'veSeenWorse on Jun 7, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess, but if that was part of the plan, why not give him a start or two there?
I don’t know that he’s played a game at 1B since July of 2010. He’s been an OF pretty much continuously since then, and they’ve played the likes of Matt Tuiasosopo, Matt Mangini and Brad Nelson ahead of him. They’ve been actively trying to keep him in LF (or RF) instead of 1B. It can’t be because they think he’s ‘mastered’ it.
It would be nice if Carp was a righty, so that we could rotate around Cust/Carp/Smoak when necessary.. but him being a lefty makes it sort of moot.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah the whole situation is kind of messy.
We’re like the anti-cubs. All lefty.
Ready to Play
Smoak is a switch-hitter.
I don’t see how he would need to be rotated around.
AND WHY IS ANYONE CONSIDERING TAKING PLAYING TIME AWAY FROM SMOAK?
by Wilder. on Jun 7, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I should have explained myself better :(
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No, not like that. But maybe spell him at 1B and DH him every now and then? I don't know, just spit-balling.
I only wanted to remove Cust, but my thinking is that if you face a lefty- it would be nice to sub Cust for Carp, but then it becomes moot.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Because it was 96 degrees today and it will be 99 tomorrow.
Wedge himself said that he needs to rest Smoak soon, but doesn’t see how. Dude shouldn’t play 160 games.
Ready to Play
He already missed a week when his dad died.
That is obviously enough rest.
by stredarts on Jun 8, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here are the options I see to get Carp AB's
Spell Cust at DH (C-U-S-T!)
Let Smoak DH by taking a start at first base
Play some occasional crappy left field
Pinch Hit for righties
Using some combination of the above he could probably get in 20 AB’s a week or so without taking at bats from Smoak.
by short on Jun 7, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds about right
And that’s all I meant, too. Get him in there to take pressure off Smoak in playing time and slugging duties. Might help both of them
Ready to Play
Jack Cust might want to do more to justify his DH job.
The year he hit 33 HRs is receding in the rear-view mirror with great velocity.
ignacio
Jack Cust is far from a problem right now.
by Mariner John on Jun 7, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
He has the third-highest wOBA on the team.
He’s not hitting for power, but it’s not like we need to find a way to get his bat out of the lineup.
We have a team full of mediocre hitters
Everybody is a problem and anybody we can logically and practically upgrade should be vulnerable
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Which is to say I don't care if Cust is hitting like Babe Ruth
If I have a lineup full of Luis Uguetos and one Babe Ruth and Babe Ruth is my DH and I have somebody better than Babe Ruth waiting in the wings, I’ll make that upgrade. Does that mean I like the fact that my other 8 lineup spots are full of Luis Uguetos? No. But it does mean my team is better than it was the day before.
Cust may be good, but if there’s somebody better than Cust (and I’m not sure that there is), you have to make that upgrade, even if there are more pressing needs.
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by Corco on Jun 7, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay...
Saying that Cust is the next to go isn’t the same thing as replacing him with someone else better if it happens though.
Cust eats Baby Ruths
Other than that I see no applicaplibiclably.
by lemonverbena on Jun 7, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's some kind of word you got there.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
You do not have to hit homeruns to be a good DH
You have to provide value with the bat. Cust provides value with the bat. Carp is more valuable as a replacement for Peguero.
by Shmelix Shmernandez on Jun 7, 2011 9:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Literally the only thing appreciably different about Cust this year is his HR/FB% is way down
His babip is almost right at his career average, as is his contact% and walk rate.and other peripherals are all largely the same with a few minor differences. The major change is that instead of 14.9% of his flyballs leaving the park like last year, only 5% have gone out this year. Part of that is Safeco, though he wasn’t exactly in a great home run environment in Oakland either. Part of it may be age decline, but he has completely mashed the shit out of some of the doubles he’s hit so I think the power is still there, at least more than his homerun totals indicate. Most of it is probably bad luck, I think he’ll probably start hitting homers at a better rate if we leave him in the lineup. He’s not bad.
I don't know. He's squared up on some perfectly and flown out to the track.
He’s looking like Griffey 2010 in that regard. He’s still producing, but I’m not sure how long he can while he’s not hitting homeruns.
I doubt that Safeco has had much of anything to do with that.
If anything, Safeco tends to increase home runs for lefties. And for whatever difference Safeco could have, it’s effect would produce such a small change that it probably wouldn’t even be noticeable for the short amount of time he’s played games there.
I’d have to go with he hasn’t hit the ball hard enough and often enough to have many home runs, regardless of where he’s played. Is that luck or decline? No one is going to know the answer to that.
I’m with you on your last thought. With his history, it’s a good bet that he’ll hit more from here on out than he has so far. We’re not looking at a guy that’s going to be a huge power threat, but being able to make the pitcher work, draw a lot of walks, and add some home runs, makes him one of the guys on the team you’re not going to be particularly worried about.
Ask me again in the middle of August.
by nathaniel dawson on Jun 8, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess we filled our "Mike" quota.
But I guess I should have expected this after Peguero’s two homer game. But Peguero seems really redundant with Carp now on the team…
I guess Halman is here to stay?
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by Cantu Easley Winn on Jun 7, 2011 8:53 PM PDT reply actions
Halman is the only one who can play CF.
Guti does not look 100%. So yes, Halman is here to stay.
by sofa_king on Jun 7, 2011 9:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
In the last few days I've seen a ton of comments talking about the redundancy of Mike Wilson with Balkan now on the roster, so I'm not sure what we expect them to do. Only so many options. None of them great.
by It's Good To Be King on Jun 7, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but Mike WIlson is better than Carlos Peguero
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by Cantu Easley Winn on Jun 7, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
In a vacuum, maybe. Given Seattle's current roster construction, no.
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by thehemogoblin on Jun 8, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
God I wish Cust/Carp could play 3rd base
by Punkhazard on Jun 7, 2011 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
For those expecting an immediate impact, I'll just throw this out there...
AAA stats this year:
Player A: .381/.429/.683
Player B: .350/.410/.664
A is Wilson. B is Carp. (And yes, I know – sample size. I’m just saying it’s no given Carp will produce.)
Wilson wasn't exactly given a bunch of playing time, either
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by Cantu Easley Winn on Jun 7, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I really can't decide how I feel about this move.
I mean, Carp had to come up, he was hitting too well not to give him a shot. I’m glad he is coming up because it will be something interesting to watch, but I just can’t get too excited about this because even if he succeeds I still don’t see the team getting much better overall unless Ichiro and Figgins turn things around.
I'm happy we are trying something new, because when your offense is this bad, you should try something new.
But I can’t but think of all the better prospects that have come up and down throughout the years and it turns out that they were AAAA quality players. I hope Carp does good, he has a chance to do good. I’m just keeping my expectations at an even keel.
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If he can come up and pull a Bucky Jacobsen for a couple months and then disappear off the face of the planet, that's just fine for now
Somebody who can come up and be good while we figure out if we need to be buying some players at the trade deadline is good enough
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
Man I miss Bucky Jacobsen.
Unfortunate end to his career.
Aaron Curry was a bust the moment he took the field.
Replace home-plate umpires and their terrible strike zones with technology!
by Fearless Frog on Jun 7, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps he should've actually attempted to rehab.
by Mariner John on Jun 7, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I got my friend a Buckyball!
Not the carbon type, but a baseball signed by Bucky. I had to go through great lengths to get another friend who worked at Safeco to procure it for me. My friend thanked me politely, but didn’t seem to understand the importance of this gift.
by nathaniel dawson on Jun 8, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
In a roundabout way, the JJ Putz deal now accounts for 20% of our major league roster.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
And it's still tied to the Mark Langston Legacy.
Since Reed was involved.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 7, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
What I like about this
Two crappy offensive outings and BAM they make a change. The team is acting like losing pisses them off. A lot.
This move is also not a smooth or convenient one. It’s happening mid-series, with both teams on the road, and required pulling Carp in the middle of a game. Two plane tickets will be purchased when a pre-planned move would only require two short car rides.
by short on Jun 7, 2011 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I get what you're saying, but its June 7th and the team is last in the majors in OPS.
I don’t know if its a sudden reaction. I hope they’re encouraged to continue tweaking the roster and finding internal and external options, because we are still far away from being average offensively.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
*Last in the majors in wOBA I mean.
Turns out we are 2nd to last in OPS!
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agreed
Wedge and Zduriencik do not seem to accept losing and are willing to make short-term, visible changes. They seem keenly aware that we’re in the thick of it right now and will stop at nothing to try to keep us in it. I really appreciate that.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor
They normally aren't reactive to short-term failure
But as Humbled Fan pointed out, is this isn’t just about two crappy games. Last weekend was a surprising bright spot, but the front office clearly wasn’t fooled. I have to believe they planned to bring up Carp soon, but circumstances moved up their timetable.
Well he was also shitty in April.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah baby. Talk geology to me.
That’s the juice.
Who's gonna save the world? Who's gonna save the day? From Ahab crabs who steal and eerie eels with evil rays?
I know Carp is coming up for his bat
But I just can’t shake the feeling that he’s just gonna splash around and have no effect
by Robby The Kid on Jun 7, 2011 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It wasn't a pun but a Pokemon joke!
You can’t hate a man for a Pokemon joke!
Thats because it was a Pokemon joke.
by David Hodgson on Jun 7, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh wow.
I didn’t know that! I’m terribly sorry for doing that to you
by Robby The Kid on Jun 7, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to dump all the birth control pills on earth into the ocean so I never have to hear another fucking fish pun
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2011 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
Even if you take away their ability to procreate, they might still fuck.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, we should just make them all get fish abortions.
by joof on Jun 7, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
So post-game show
Shannon Drayer and Matt Pitman were certain that Carp would be in the line-up everyay to keep him hitting hot. Shouldn’t this have been the same for Halman who sat out today after starting 6 for 7?
So how do these young guys ever
really get a shot if they don’t get to play every day? Mike Wilson barely got any playing time and he came up because he was hot too.
Mike Wilson is not a young guy.
If he was hitting like he did in AAA at 24-25, then he’d get some everyday playing time in the bigs.
by Shmelix Shmernandez on Jun 7, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Except they threw a righty today.
There was that wall thing.
by sofa_king on Jun 7, 2011 10:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Little League through college and minors
these guys have had to hit lefty’s and righty’s. Why is it that Wedge plays those cards all the time rather than riding the hot bats?
Because riding hot bats is dumb
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
And yet today they played Peguero and he went 2 for 3. You might actually think that the team knows what its doing.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
"Okay mongoloid, you're up today"
“Me go swing bat hard”
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hence the thought of Halman in right
Ichiro needs a day of rest and time to think of where he left his bat.
LL is on point.
Seconds after Carp was pinch hit for speculation of his promotion hit.
by sofa_king on Jun 7, 2011 10:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Coming to a store near you.
“Carp” jerseys in northwest green.
by sofa_king on Jun 7, 2011 10:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Doubt it.
They don’t even sell Pineda jerseys yet.
by Mariner John on Jun 7, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I meant pre-made.
You can get a Carp jersey if you want I suppose if that’s the train of thought you want to follow.
by Mariner John on Jun 8, 2011 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
They should at least have Pineda player shirts by now.
I asked a team store employee about when they might be getting Pineda shirts and he just kinda drooled and gazed off into the distance.
by sanford_and_son on Jun 8, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
They've sold out hilariously quickly.
We aren’t really responsible for ordering things that sell out so we can’t answer in a manner you would like all the time.
Oh, word. Do you work at the Safeco store?
by sanford_and_son on Jun 8, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Right on, well now I know there's at least one baseball-minded person working there.
I swear that every employee that I’ve ever asked a question of there gives me the reaction I described above. Also, I swear most still think Griffey is on the team.
This is going OT, but I’d be interested to hear more about what it’s like to work there.
by sanford_and_son on Jun 8, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions

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