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Mike Carp Joins Mariners, Mike Wilson Unjoins Mariners

With the Mariners' offense struggling so bad, it grew impossible for us to ignore Mike Carp's performance in Tacoma. Turns out it grew impossible for the Mariners' front office to ignore as well, and so tonight Carp has been promoted, with Mike Wilson going back down.

For Wilson, it's a bummer, if only because he earned his opportunity by hitting the crap (ed. note: or carp! lol) out of the ball and is now going right back where he was after collecting all of 28 Major League plate appearances. They weren't 28 good plate appearances, mind you, but Wilson barely got to play, that being the consequence of the M's running into a bunch of righties. Hopefully he can take something away from the experience aside from the higher paycheck and resumes doing what he was doing with the Rainiers.

But obviously, the story here is Carp, who came into action on Tuesday with a 1.074 OPS. Amazingly, that's only the 12th-best OPS in the PCL, but five of the guys ahead of him hit at elevation, and lately Carp has been hotter than the ash spewing out from the Puyehue-Cordon Caulle volcanic complex. The M's couldn't keep him down any longer - not with the big league offense hitting like it's hitting - and now we'll get to see how much of Carp's success can carry over.

That is, at least, assuming he gets to play. The situation is a little murky, with Carp, Greg Halman and Carlos Peguero all sort of sharing left field. But I can't imagine that Carp would be behind Peguero on the depth chart, and Peguero could very well be the guy who goes away whenever Dustin Ackley is promoted. Carp could also sneak his way into the occasional start at DH.

So it looks like Carp will get a real shot to show what he can do. It's important to be reasonable about your expectations, but it's also important to realize that Carp has taken a step forward, and that he's probably going to be an improvement. If he hits well, awesome. If he hits okay, fine. If he doesn't hit well, that sucks, but at least the M's will have given him an opportunity. Promoting Carp was the right move to make, and I'm looking forward to seeing some dingers in left that aren't packaged with the most aggressive batting approach in the entire Major Leagues.

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Post every phrase you search for with Google for one week.

From microbiology, to baseball players that sound like baked goods, to currently erupting volcanoes.

by doublemazaa on Jun 7, 2011 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Me either.

But Jeff could be right about Peguero going down for Ackley. And us keeping a bunch of infielders.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It could work...

Ackley is a natural outfielder so he can probably slide out to LF if needed.

by PLU Tim on Jun 7, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not?

He played OF and 1B in college. He doesn’t seem like the type to be bothered by sliding out to LF in late innings.

by PLU Tim on Jun 7, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems kind of silly.

Maybe the team thought Peguero had more upside than Wilson and wanted to keep him working with the big league coaches? Or maybe Peguero will get sent down tomorrow to call up Ackley.

by wetzelcoal on Jun 7, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peguero's June line: .427 / .529 / .923

It is simply impossible to demote someone under those circumstances with the way this team is hitting.

Unless he barbecues a kitten in the outfield as sacrifice to the ghost of Osama bin Laden. Yeah, that’d about do it.

by short on Jun 7, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

"With the way the TEAM is hitting"

I’m sure the team isn’t fooled into thinking Peguero is Pujols. But he’s not the guy you demote today. Right now. Immediately.

by short on Jun 7, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peguero's season OPS is now .722

Good for third on the team. Still a sample small enough not to be fair (79 PA’s), but more meaningful than 15 AB’s.

I don’t think the sample size matters in this case. You can’t punish success. I’m not saying this is the real Peguero, just that you can’t demote him when other guys deserve it more. That’s how Peguero and Carp are on the same roster. For now.

by short on Jun 7, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can Carp spot Smoak at first occasionally?

He looks like a first baseman, that’s for sure

Ready to Play

by tsunamijesus on Jun 7, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

He is a 1B...

Not a very good one, but people act like he’s Edgar Martinez over there. He’s not totally immobile.

by PLU Tim on Jun 7, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess, but if that was part of the plan, why not give him a start or two there?

I don’t know that he’s played a game at 1B since July of 2010. He’s been an OF pretty much continuously since then, and they’ve played the likes of Matt Tuiasosopo, Matt Mangini and Brad Nelson ahead of him. They’ve been actively trying to keep him in LF (or RF) instead of 1B. It can’t be because they think he’s ‘mastered’ it.

by marc w on Jun 7, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah the whole situation is kind of messy.

We’re like the anti-cubs. All lefty.

Ready to Play

by tsunamijesus on Jun 7, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Smoak is a switch-hitter.

I don’t see how he would need to be rotated around.

AND WHY IS ANYONE CONSIDERING TAKING PLAYING TIME AWAY FROM SMOAK?

by Wilder. on Jun 7, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

No, not like that. But maybe spell him at 1B and DH him every now and then? I don't know, just spit-balling.

I only wanted to remove Cust, but my thinking is that if you face a lefty- it would be nice to sub Cust for Carp, but then it becomes moot.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because it was 96 degrees today and it will be 99 tomorrow.

Wedge himself said that he needs to rest Smoak soon, but doesn’t see how. Dude shouldn’t play 160 games.

Ready to Play

by tsunamijesus on Jun 7, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here are the options I see to get Carp AB's

Spell Cust at DH (C-U-S-T!)
Let Smoak DH by taking a start at first base
Play some occasional crappy left field
Pinch Hit for righties

Using some combination of the above he could probably get in 20 AB’s a week or so without taking at bats from Smoak.

by short on Jun 7, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sounds about right

And that’s all I meant, too. Get him in there to take pressure off Smoak in playing time and slugging duties. Might help both of them

Ready to Play

by tsunamijesus on Jun 7, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jack Cust might want to do more to justify his DH job.

The year he hit 33 HRs is receding in the rear-view mirror with great velocity.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 7, 2011 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

He has the third-highest wOBA on the team.

He’s not hitting for power, but it’s not like we need to find a way to get his bat out of the lineup.

by Teej on Jun 7, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have a team full of mediocre hitters

Everybody is a problem and anybody we can logically and practically upgrade should be vulnerable

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by Corco on Jun 7, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is to say I don't care if Cust is hitting like Babe Ruth

If I have a lineup full of Luis Uguetos and one Babe Ruth and Babe Ruth is my DH and I have somebody better than Babe Ruth waiting in the wings, I’ll make that upgrade. Does that mean I like the fact that my other 8 lineup spots are full of Luis Uguetos? No. But it does mean my team is better than it was the day before.

Cust may be good, but if there’s somebody better than Cust (and I’m not sure that there is), you have to make that upgrade, even if there are more pressing needs.

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by Corco on Jun 7, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay...

Saying that Cust is the next to go isn’t the same thing as replacing him with someone else better if it happens though.

by Mariner John on Jun 7, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do not have to hit homeruns to be a good DH

You have to provide value with the bat. Cust provides value with the bat. Carp is more valuable as a replacement for Peguero.

by Shmelix Shmernandez on Jun 7, 2011 9:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Literally the only thing appreciably different about Cust this year is his HR/FB% is way down

His babip is almost right at his career average, as is his contact% and walk rate.and other peripherals are all largely the same with a few minor differences. The major change is that instead of 14.9% of his flyballs leaving the park like last year, only 5% have gone out this year. Part of that is Safeco, though he wasn’t exactly in a great home run environment in Oakland either. Part of it may be age decline, but he has completely mashed the shit out of some of the doubles he’s hit so I think the power is still there, at least more than his homerun totals indicate. Most of it is probably bad luck, I think he’ll probably start hitting homers at a better rate if we leave him in the lineup. He’s not bad.

by OlSalty on Jun 8, 2011 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know. He's squared up on some perfectly and flown out to the track.

He’s looking like Griffey 2010 in that regard. He’s still producing, but I’m not sure how long he can while he’s not hitting homeruns.

by joof on Jun 8, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt that Safeco has had much of anything to do with that.

If anything, Safeco tends to increase home runs for lefties. And for whatever difference Safeco could have, it’s effect would produce such a small change that it probably wouldn’t even be noticeable for the short amount of time he’s played games there.

I’d have to go with he hasn’t hit the ball hard enough and often enough to have many home runs, regardless of where he’s played. Is that luck or decline? No one is going to know the answer to that.

I’m with you on your last thought. With his history, it’s a good bet that he’ll hit more from here on out than he has so far. We’re not looking at a guy that’s going to be a huge power threat, but being able to make the pitcher work, draw a lot of walks, and add some home runs, makes him one of the guys on the team you’re not going to be particularly worried about.

Ask me again in the middle of August.

by nathaniel dawson on Jun 8, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really can't decide how I feel about this move.

I mean, Carp had to come up, he was hitting too well not to give him a shot. I’m glad he is coming up because it will be something interesting to watch, but I just can’t get too excited about this because even if he succeeds I still don’t see the team getting much better overall unless Ichiro and Figgins turn things around.

by wetzelcoal on Jun 7, 2011 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm happy we are trying something new, because when your offense is this bad, you should try something new.

But I can’t but think of all the better prospects that have come up and down throughout the years and it turns out that they were AAAA quality players. I hope Carp does good, he has a chance to do good. I’m just keeping my expectations at an even keel.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

If he can come up and pull a Bucky Jacobsen for a couple months and then disappear off the face of the planet, that's just fine for now

Somebody who can come up and be good while we figure out if we need to be buying some players at the trade deadline is good enough

Determined, Jonesing Commentor

by Corco on Jun 7, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I like about this

Two crappy offensive outings and BAM they make a change. The team is acting like losing pisses them off. A lot.

This move is also not a smooth or convenient one. It’s happening mid-series, with both teams on the road, and required pulling Carp in the middle of a game. Two plane tickets will be purchased when a pre-planned move would only require two short car rides.

by short on Jun 7, 2011 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

I get what you're saying, but its June 7th and the team is last in the majors in OPS.

I don’t know if its a sudden reaction. I hope they’re encouraged to continue tweaking the roster and finding internal and external options, because we are still far away from being average offensively.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

*Last in the majors in wOBA I mean.

Turns out we are 2nd to last in OPS!

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 7, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agreed

Wedge and Zduriencik do not seem to accept losing and are willing to make short-term, visible changes. They seem keenly aware that we’re in the thick of it right now and will stop at nothing to try to keep us in it. I really appreciate that.

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by Corco on Jun 7, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

They normally aren't reactive to short-term failure

But as Humbled Fan pointed out, is this isn’t just about two crappy games. Last weekend was a surprising bright spot, but the front office clearly wasn’t fooled. I have to believe they planned to bring up Carp soon, but circumstances moved up their timetable.

by short on Jun 7, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah baby. Talk geology to me.

That’s the juice.

Who's gonna save the world? Who's gonna save the day? From Ahab crabs who steal and eerie eels with evil rays?

by JAH on Jun 7, 2011 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

So post-game show

Shannon Drayer and Matt Pitman were certain that Carp would be in the line-up everyay to keep him hitting hot. Shouldn’t this have been the same for Halman who sat out today after starting 6 for 7?

by SodoJoe on Jun 7, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

LL is on point.

Seconds after Carp was pinch hit for speculation of his promotion hit.

by sofa_king on Jun 7, 2011 10:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Coming to a store near you.

“Carp” jerseys in northwest green.

by sofa_king on Jun 7, 2011 10:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Doubt it.

They don’t even sell Pineda jerseys yet.

by Mariner John on Jun 7, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I meant pre-made.

You can get a Carp jersey if you want I suppose if that’s the train of thought you want to follow.

by Mariner John on Jun 8, 2011 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

They should at least have Pineda player shirts by now.

I asked a team store employee about when they might be getting Pineda shirts and he just kinda drooled and gazed off into the distance.

by sanford_and_son on Jun 8, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

They've sold out hilariously quickly.

We aren’t really responsible for ordering things that sell out so we can’t answer in a manner you would like all the time.

by Mariner John on Jun 8, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right on, well now I know there's at least one baseball-minded person working there.

I swear that every employee that I’ve ever asked a question of there gives me the reaction I described above. Also, I swear most still think Griffey is on the team.

This is going OT, but I’d be interested to hear more about what it’s like to work there.

by sanford_and_son on Jun 8, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

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