Mariners Tie Baserunner Game, Lose Baseball Game
When you think of it that way, hey, almost! Tie the other guys in baserunners and you'll win half the time! What do you mean? No, that's all there is to it.
There were, I think, two profound moments in this game. Two images we'll carry with us long after our memories of the other events have passed. They weren't two images we'll carry with us to the end of the season, but they're two difficult images to shake.
The first image was Erik Bedard's face after surrendering Freddie Freeman's go-ahead homer in the seventh. At that point, it was a 1-1 game. Bedard had fought to keep the Mariners in it, and he had one on and one out when the left-handed rookie stepped up to the plate. Bedard gave him a first-pitch fastball up and away in the zone, but Freeman went up and got it and drove it way out to straightaway center. Despite Franklin Gutierrez's best efforts, the Braves went up by two, and Bedard just stood and stared.
Ordinarily it doesn't do us a lot of good to try and analyze a player's expression. Ordinarily that's the sort of thing that just gets us in trouble. It's the sort of thing that makes us think a guy wasn't trying. It's the sort of thing that makes us think another guy is giving it his all. It's the sort of thing that makes us think a guy does or does not have anything left. It's us trying to read deeply into people we don't know based on the way they look for split-seconds on the television screen, with all the accuracy you'd expect.
But here - this is a readable expression. This is the reality of the situation dawning on Erik Bedard. This is Erik Bedard realizing that, even though the game hadn't ended, the game had basically just ended. This is Erik Bedard realizing how much of his hard work had just been negated. This is the expression Sisyphus had, the first time.
The camera zoomed in on Bedard's face after the home run and it held for several seconds before mouthing a "wow". It was a powerful thing, not least because we all understood, and because we were all making a similar expression ourselves.
The second image wasn't so much one single image as it was a collection of images - a real-life .gif, if you will. A moving image showing the Mariners' feeble attempts to hit Craig Kimbrel in the bottom of the ninth. Kimbrel was to face Justin Smoak, Dustin Ackley and Miguel Olivo. Not the worst lineup of hitters for the M's to start a rally. But Smoak struck out on three pitches. Ackley struck out on five pitches. Olivo struck out on four pitches. Combined, those three hitters swung seven times, and those seven swings amounted to six misses and a foul.
Lately, we've seen the Mariners get shut down by some mediocre talent. Chris Volstad. John Lannan. Jason Marquis. Vance Worley. Watching some of the Mariners' at bats against those guys, we all thought to ourselves at some point or another "I don't think they could look much worse." But they could look much worse, and Kimbrel showed just how bad they can look. He dominated the Mariners completely, and even the good hitters didn't stand a chance. Watching that inning - I frequently feel as if the Mariners' hitters look helpless, but I've never seen them look that helpless. It was jarring, if not entirely unexpected.
Look - the Braves are a hell of an opponent. They're a lot like the Mariners, actually, only better. I know a lot of us were terrified of the Phillies series, but this one isn't much easier, if it's easier at all, and tonight's game is exactly what I'm afraid all three games might look like. Considering the Braves can shut down good lineups, really I'm just glad the M's got on the board.
Some quick bullet holes after a game that didn't leave me with much material:
- I didn't like that Adam Kennedy drew the start at DH over Jack Cust, and Kennedy hadn't been a productive hitter for a few weeks coming into this game, so I'm obligated to acknowledge the fact that he scored and drove in the Mariners' only run when he took Brandon Beachy out to right in the fourth. Kennedy's home run swing is the damndest thing. It doesn't look like a powerful swing. It looks like a long, slow, loopy swing that'll result in a fliner to right-center, which are all of Kennedy's balls in play. But it's like sometimes the ball just hits the bat extra funny and carries a little further in the other direction. I don't get it, and I don't get how we wound up in a position where we're looking to Adam Kennedy to produce runs for this offense, but things are what they are so hopefully he doesn't just forget how to hit all of a sudden. Turns out we kind of need you, Adam.
- It really doesn't feel to me like Mike Carp has been a semi-regular player since getting promoted, but it turns out he kind of has. Carp got into the lineup on June 8th. Since then, the M's have played 18 games, and Carp has started ten of them, while appearing in 13 of them. Over his 38 plate appearances, he has yet to go deep and his AAA hot streak is a distant memory, but he has gotten on base, so it's not like he's been unproductive. Today he ripped a Beachy fastball the other way for a leadoff double in the fifth. How Mike Carp has 38 plate appearances while Carlos Peguero has 127 plate appearances boggles the mind. Or at least, it boggles the mind that understands that Carlos Peguero has bad at bats.
- Following Carp's leadoff double, Gutierrez moved him over to third on a grounder to the right side, which drew applause. Then Chone Figgins walked up to the plate, which drew boos.
- The boos only grew louder when Figgins subsequently fouled out to third. They were the loudest boos for Figgins I remember hearing, although I concede that's hardly scientific. One gets the sense that things have advanced to the point where people want to boo Figgins. They can't wait for an opening, and they'll boo him whenever he makes the smallest mistake. This is hard. It's hard because I'm torn between the pro-booing and anti-booing crowd, and it's hard because I don't see this working out. I don't see how Figgins wins people back and becomes a contributing member of the team. So the booing just makes me uncomfortable. I have never seen a player look as lost as Figgins does right now.
- ...although Figgins has a .481 OPS, and Gutierrez has a .477 OPS. Surprise!
- The Braves started Julio Lugo tonight, making this my annual reminder that Julio Lugo is still around. Julio Lugo makes for a good example of how a promising midseason trade can work out all funny. In 2006, the Dodgers were 50-55 and on the fringes of the race at the deadline, and in search of infield help. So they acquired Lugo from the Rays. Tampa Bay's starting shortstop, Lugo had posted a 105 OPS+ the previous season, and had a 124 OPS+ at the time of the trade.
After the deal, Lugo batted 164 times for the Dodgers, and posted an OPS+ of 41. The Dodgers also went 38-19 the rest of the way and made the playoffs as the Wild Card. Don't try to figure it out. - Sounders...player Fredy Montero was in attendance, and during an in-game interview with Angie Mentink, he talked about his friendship with Jack Wilson, and Wilson's love of playing soccer. I wonder when we're going to start hearing about Jack Cust's other interests. In case he doesn't have any, he might want to get some.
Things won't get easier tomorrow, with Tommy Hanson taking the hill. Michael Pineda will also start, which is nice, but I have an idea: in an effort to limit Pineda's innings and spare his arm, Eric Wedge gives the Braves the opportunity to just take three runs scored. If they take it, the Mariners then get nine innings to try to score four runs. I don't see any compelling reason not to do this.
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This is the kind of team that makes you realize
that like most things in life, even though you’d like a lot, you’d settle for just a little. Just a little better hitting to go with the great pitching would be oh so much better.
I've been hesitant to bring it up even though it's been obvious, but since you bring it up...
Man…Guti has been a disaster at the plate. It’s painful to watch. All the hope I had for his bat last year are gone. I know it’s been rough for him coming back from starting the season on the DL, but have close to zero confidence in him hitting right now.
It's been so bad that I wouldn't mind seeing him get a day or two off
And let Halman get some starts. I’d be interesting in seeing whether his bat is real or not.
Halman's BABIP is still in the mid .400's
But he does keep hitting the ball hard. So I’m also intrigued, if pessimistic.
by fiftyone on Jun 28, 2011 8:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The Braves are a lot like the Mariners...
Yes, with the only noteworthy exception sometimes they can win low-hits ballgames with a couple of swings.
I could go down the line...,
But the only one I feel confident watching at the plate right now is Ackley and this incudeds Smoak.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 1:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Smoak hasn't looked too good lately.
That 3-run HR in the bottom of the 8th seems a long time ago.
ignacio
Figured it out

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Our team has been growing the wrong facial hair. These two have been worth 2.8 wins combined. Unbelievable.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jun 28, 2011 1:26 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I can understand the boos for Figgins.
But I really don’t understand how anyone expects him to get better with his own fans booing him. All anybody really wants is for him to hit. Maybe there should be a Figgins Friday where the point is to get the whole stadium to hold up supportive signs and cheer him for everything.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 28, 2011 1:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He can also play during road games.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jun 28, 2011 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hasn't he played better on the road the last couple weeks too?
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 28, 2011 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Awww, that sounds so sweet
As Borat once said, “not”.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 2:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh cool a Borat joke.
It’s been a while.
by Robert on Jun 28, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
If you can't handle the booing because you suck, then you need to quit.
Plain and simple.
RIP Dave Niehaus.
This is reinspiring me to boo louder
Imagine if Figgins just retired
by Edgar for Pres on Jun 28, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't understand why Chone Figgins hasn't gotten better.
I was watching Intervention last night and it’s like they start you off with telling you about this persons wonderful life, how everything is going great and then 1 bad thing happens and they use a pill. Then that helps numb the pain so they use more pills. Then a week later they’re snorting something. Then they’re shooting up. Then they lose their job. At this point, you’re thinking man, this is bad. Then they lose their significant other. Then they lose their kids. Now you’re like, wow how terrible to hit rock bot- then they are homeless. Then they have HIV. Well geez, this just seems like it can’t get any wo- then they tell you the story of how they were abused as children. Then they explain what they have to do to get the money to pay for the drugs. Then they wind up getting arrested. Then the black screen comes up saying “So and So has overdosed 8 times in the last month.”
And you just keep thinking “JESUS WHEN WILL THIS END? IS THERE NO FLOOR!!??”
The analogy doesn’t end there because then you’re thinking to yourself “How do you have $500 a day to spend on drugs?”
Chone Figgins story only takes a turn for the worse each and every day, it makes us sick to think about how he is able to collect his money, he’s lost his Seattle family, Eric Wedge will no longer continue to support him, and his terrible play has affected us in the following ways: We lose games and are unable to score runs in large part because of him.
Even if Chone Figgins accepts this gift and take steps to get himself better I still feel like by the end of it the story will be “He left rehab and relapsed 2 weeks later.”
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 28, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because this isn't Little League
But, rather than “Figgins Friday”, a group of us we’re discussing an All-Star voting plan called “Riggin’ for Figgins”. Basically, flood the voting system to elect Fig-ster as a starter on the All-Star team.
All hail JZ
by Mariners_win on Jun 28, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Five or six years ago when I worked for the Mariners one of my jobs was to take the All-Star Ballots from around the park and mail them to MLB so they could be counted.
I once came across ~700-1000 completely valid ballots where the only thing that was done was them writing in Willie Bloomquist all with exactly the same handwriting.
I threw them all away.
by Robert on Jun 28, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
He's had a long time to get better
So now booing him makes me feel like an active participant in the process. Hey, manager and front office, he sucks and I know it. Now figure out something better. I don’t care how Figgins feels, about anything.
by Kermit. on Jun 28, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I don't boo Gootch because he's still solid defensively, where Figgins sucks
And with Gootch there’s still a sense of connection between his health issues and his floundering at the plate, next season would be a different story
Guti at least gave us a great season and we already had tingly feelings about him.
Chone has never been a good Mariner.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 28, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
And he did have good seasons as an Angel
The whole thing makes him feel like some sort of Angels poison pill.
I am fine with people booing even though I don't do it myself
Booing Figgins doesn’t even seem like it’s worth the effort. On the other hand I am happy that the fans at Safeco are passionate about something, and maybe like Spiezio before him, it make him go away.
On the other hand I am still all for sarcastic applause.
by Poochie on Jun 28, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not big on boo my own team just because they are playing bad.
I just cannot see how that works to make things better. It’s one thing if if it seems like the player has just quit trying, but I don’t really see that with Figgins. Just a bad situation all around, I guess.
Should we be actually concerned about Guti?
He’s hitting a ton more groundballs this year and less line drives and it doesn’t look like actual bad luck. He looks almost as lost as Figgins does, only it’s even more concerning because he’s lost power so far as well.
I would think the weight-loss is stil affecting his power.
It seems like that would take a long time to build back which means maybe he should be getting more days off.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 28, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
While I agree to the days off.
He’s swinging more often at bad pitches and making contact in the form of weak ground balls. Power may have turned those ground balls into more singles, but add power and he’d still be a really bad hitter right now, and he’s been a bad hitter since June 2010. If he wasn’t this good at defense, he’d probably be getting some Figgins treatment.
...and now I'm here
Then the question is,
Would he be swinging at those if he could square up the balls in the zone like he did in 2009? Some of has to be mental. I know we can’t quantify it but it seems like the worse he hits the more he swings at bad pitches. Last night he had a great at bat where he only swung at the strikes and let the borderline balls go by and he worked a walk. That’s the only thing that still gives me hope that he can get it back.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 28, 2011 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe someone should point that out to him.
Like, in an interview or something.
Yeah I'm starting to worry about him
he’s had enough time up to adjust, and going back to last season he’s at a full year of being not good.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 28, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to speculate on the cause
Whatever the problem is, it hasn’t been solved but has only gotten worse.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 28, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I like to see less:
Guti and more Halman (right now).
Less Kennedy at DH and more Peguero.
Less Peguero in LF and more Carp.
No Figgins at 3B and more Kennedy.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 1:49 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I do not want to see more Peguero in any way.
by Kyle Rancourt on Jun 28, 2011 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
But he's at least entertaining
..and all kind of crazy shit happens when he plays.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 2:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's true that he's had some bizarre at-bats
amidst a desert of flailing and getting sawed off.
ignacio
It seems like every at bat he hits a ball on the handle just above his hand and shatters the bat into a gazillion pieces.
He just need to do some Kentucky windage and pretend the ball is a foot and a half closer to him.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 2:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If he can't hit a fastball when he's jammed, maybe he just shouldn't swing then.
Jump back like it almost hit him and hope this can influence the call.
ignacio
Or or or
He could hold the bat backwards. You know, hold the barrel.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 2:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That way when he's jammed he'll hit the sweet spot.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 2:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Did I mention the Interviews?
Do you get to see a Peguero interview when he doesn’t play? No sir. No sir you don’t.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 2:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he just needs to step way back in the box
then if the pitcher wants to come in on his hands he can just watch the balls fly way inside and draw some walks. That’s what I would do anyways…if I actually knew what I was talking about and this was actually a feasible solution.
by CMoney87 on Jun 28, 2011 11:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why in the world would you want to see Carp in LF over Peguero?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 28, 2011 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
As a fielder?
Remember, in this scenario Peguero is the DH
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 28, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Based on what I have heard, that while Peguero has a good arm, Carp runs decent routes and catches what he gets too
Can’t say that about Peguero. Plus Carp can play two positions so he gives you more flexibility.
Divish had just posted something on twitter making fun of Carp's routes in fielding practice
I haven’t seen Carp play the outfield much but was going off Peguero’s far better footspeed and arm, and the fact that the coaching staff seems to love his coachability. I get that he’s no Endy Chavez out there. Just seems like he’d be the lesser of two evils.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 28, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Peguero has footspeed?
He’s a blind Ryan Howard that can throw. Without the arm he isn’t an outfielder at all
Oh so he's like Bowser in Mario Kart
by Poochie on Jun 28, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
Is Bowser his new nickname?
I hope he leaves before he has time to acquire a new nickname but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Peguero has decent speed.
I’m not sure I’d call it “footspeed” though.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Probably because Carlos Peguero is fucking terrible.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 28, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Peguero is bad at defense, he has a .268 OBP and even with his prodigious power, a .687 OPS.
That isn’t good.
Jack Cust has an OPS of 677 even with his prodigious walk rate
This isn’t good, but Peguero is gooder… Dingers!
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 8:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, but he was saying Peguero is terrible because of his OPS
Which is .010 higher than Cust’s.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 9:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A) Countering a bad argument with a bad argument doesn't make it suddenly a good argument
B) Bender, as noted, mentioned OBP
C) the subthread is Carp vs Peguero in LF. Jack Cust doesn’t factor
That’s three strikes. Head back to the dugout
by Matthew on Jun 28, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Peguero has the M's 4th best wRC+ in June.
6th overall. He’s not good, but its not like hes a disaster on this team
But there's something so entertaining
about a fast/athletic outfielder who take horrible routes to the ball.
by Snuffleupagus on Jun 28, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey now he's or athletic/fast horrible route taker!
Let us get back to the main point of this thread. Balkan needs more time in Center.
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 9:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lonnie Smith
He was fast, but was a terrible fielder. He was really good at recovering after he fell down and dropped the ball. Fastest guy to get back on his feet I ever saw.
Mike Carp's approach at the plate is salvageable with more seasoning and practice
Peguero’s approach is hideous and needs to be completely redefined.
While he’s not part of a Major League roster.
True, But if we use Carp in LF and Balkan in Center. Who's our DH?
by sofa_king on Jun 28, 2011 9:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Again, I am questioning the use of Carp in LF
only because in this scenario Peguero is the DH. If both tose guys are in the lineup I’d rather have Peguero fielding.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 28, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Peguero is one of the worst defensive players I have ever seen in my entire life
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 28, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he looks significantly less of a drooling imbecile than Peguero
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 28, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right and Peguero is a much better athlete
I’d rather have Peguero out there. I think they’re ~equal right now but Peguero has the upside to not be awful
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
But it doesn't matter how athletic Peguero is if he's taking Family Circus routes to the ball.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
by Thingray on Jun 28, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it does because defense isn't all about routes - it's about getting to the ball
Peguero looks about equal to Carp in that regard – he takes terrible routes but makes up for it with athleticism. Instead of being mind-blowingly awful, he is merely awful, but has the athleticism to eventually become OK.
Carp is just as bad right now, but lacks the upside to ever be good
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
And if he can get better with more time in the OF
for fuck’s sake let him do it in AA.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 28, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Are we talking about Carp or Peguero now?
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Carp was, yes.
I was referring to this: “And if he can get better with more time in the OF
for fuck’s sake let him do it in AA.”
Sobriety ain't too bad...
I agree completely.
Just wanted to make sure we were talking about Peguero.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
As BrianL says below, his athleticism isn't enough to make up for his complete lack of skill though.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Carp has the much better bat though
so I find it far more compelling to know if Carp can handle LF at all since he’s a lot more likely to have a potentially useful Major League career than Peguero is. Peguero needs to get a lot better at hitting and fielding.
Carp is the best right now AND has the highest ceiling
Our best chance of finding a contributor with the roster as is, is seeing if Carp can play everyday and hit. I am completely confused why he doesn’t play in Cust’s place, or that he didn’t start when Smoak was scratched.
Agreed on overall yeah, Carp
but I’m trying to say that I’m not convinced that Carp is a better fielder than Peguero right now, wonky routes included.
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
You shouldn't be.
But nobody should be convinced the opposite is true either. Carp’s had 36 innings in left field
Yeah, I'm not convinced one way or the other, but I wish people would stop pretending like Mike Carp is the answer based on Peguero's bad defense
there’s no evidence that Carp is any better than Peguero at least in the field
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
And before someone points out that Carp took a dinger away last week
Peguero made a Sportscenter Top 10 taking a dinger away from Jorge Cantu in San Diego. Bad defenders occasionally make great plays.
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
But his approach at the plate is a thousand times better.
Equal defense + better hitting = Carp being the better option.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
This is the exact argument I am explicitly avoiding
I wish people would stop pretending like Mike Carp is the answer based on Peguero’s bad defense
by seattlebruin on Jun 28, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
At least he seems to take good routes and make some pretty nice looking plays.
Peguero looks almost retarded out there.
Peguero plays the outfield like I imagine Robert would.
by Kirk on Jun 28, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Watching him last Friday
the most horrifying play might have actually been him going after the Lopez popup. He took a route that made Manny Ramirez look like a defensive savant.
Peguero is a much worse defender than Ibanez was.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
I know there were gifs and jokes galore about Ibanez's defense,
but on the whole he looked like he knew what he was doing. 90% of the time Peguero looks like he’s wearing a blindfold.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Ibanez was slow.
He had a decent arm and a decent glove, the problem was that he lacked range.
Some people didn’t notice, because Ibanez didn’t make many obvious errors in the field. Those balls that fell in for base hits didn’t look like bad fielding to the casual observer, say someone like Hargrove or McLaren.
I would rather see more Halman and less Peguero.
Halman in LF at least generates some value on defense even if he doesn’t keep hitting like he has, and if the M’s are intent on platooning LF its getting to the point where I’m so sick of watching Peguero flail at the plate I would rather seem a Halman/Saunders platoon with Carp playing DH and getting occasional starts in LF.
Two more thoughts on Chone Figgins.
His contract has the 600 plate appearance option in 2013 that there is nearly a zero chance the Mariners would want to vest, even if he started to hit better. So his plate appearances were going to be limited in 2013 anyway (not by much, but limited nonetheless), which makes his potential value to this team go down even if he starts to hit better. I think there is an excellent chance he’s gone before August no matter how well he hits from here on out.
Also, while researching this, I found his booking information, and in it, a link to his website. I feel like even his booking agents are trolling him.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jun 28, 2011 1:54 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes, because surely that's current if it's real.
by Patrick Stites on Jun 28, 2011 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You know, I'm so disappointed in you
All this time I thought you were an intelligent person that would would be able to process information and make basic connections. Boy is there egg on my face. In the future when I point out things a normal person would find obvious, just realize that I’m doing it for your own good.
I was referring more to the booking info, but ok champ.
by Patrick Stites on Jun 28, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Still not sure what you're talking about, sport.
But it’s okay chief. We’ll be sympatico next time big guy. Yay us!
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jun 28, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets see, using an old photo, check.
Last line of the biography mentions a contract signed in 2009, check. Links to a website that lapsed, assuming it had been his website previously, check. Yup, certainly seems like it was kept up to date.
by Patrick Stites on Jun 28, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure? I have a big box of crayons and plenty of paper standing by
Just in case I have to draw you some big pictures. This would earn me a merit badge if you need assistance
Trust me on this. I understand it so bad I oversit it.
...and now I'm here
I'd imagine Fredy Montero is pretty turned off from baseball.
And especially the Mariners. The difference in crowds must’ve seemed otherworldly.
Remember how Edgar used to jump back like it almost hit him....
On strikes down the middle.
by Paul Marrott Weaver on Jun 28, 2011 6:06 AM PDT reply actions
Ichiro does this and it seems counterproductive
If you lean into a pitch it makes it look closer to hitting you, jumping back makes you look like a fool and the pitch becomes relatively hittable. I’m sure umpires are rarely actually fooled by this but it does seem like leaning in would be the better of the two.
by hcoguy on Jun 28, 2011 9:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For some reason I have a feling Jack Cust's other interests are similar to Bob Crane's.
Don’t know why- just kind of has a bit of a Quagmire vibe.
For all intents and purposes, Tommy Hanson should make us look really bad tonight. At least sometimes when it feels like that's going to happen this year we score 3 or 4 runs.
Michael Pineda seems like the type of pitcher that would come up with the Braves. I’m sooo happy we have him.
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Have the Braves ever produced a non-white pitcher?
I suppose Jair Jurgens counts. Where is Geoff Baker when you need him to do a racial inquisition of a franchise?
by hcoguy on Jun 28, 2011 9:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Within the next 2 years they could very well feature: Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, and Arodys Vizcaido.
Mike Minor and Brandon Beachy are indeed white however.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 28, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Ding Ding Ding
I realize they aren’t actively avoiding foreign and minority players but if I cherry pick Maddux, Smoltz, Avery, and Glavine and then fast forward to today I can make a (not very) compelling case.
by hcoguy on Jun 28, 2011 9:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I also said some things up there. And the Braves have been very active in the international free agent market.
They were white in the 90’s, its true.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 28, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm being facetious, sorry.
I had forgotten about Tehran though, thanks for the reminder, didnt know the other two.
by hcoguy on Jun 28, 2011 9:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He looks like he's wasted.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
On a related note, I completely forgot about
Pete Smith, the Braves’ #5 starter behind Maddux, Glavine, Avery and Smoltz. The Joe Blanton of his day.
Looks like mostly a bullpen guy to me.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
B-R lists him as 5th in starts in 93, 6th in 92, and he started way more games than he relieved.
He’s a back-of-the-rotation starter; the Braves were smart enough to skip him as much as they could.
He only reached 100 innings four times in his whole career,
and only twice with Atlanta. Looking more closely at his stats, he looks like he was a spot starter/long relief guy, bounced between the majors and minors, or (like you said) in most years they skipped a large portion of his starts.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
What I said was:
“Pete Smith, the Braves’ #5 starter behind Maddux, Glavine, Avery and Smoltz.” In ‘93, the year I was referring to, he started 14 games and didn’t start 6. In ATL, he started 113 of the 125 games he played in. So, maybe he’s a bit more of a Kyle Kendrick, but he’s still a crummy starter behind a bunch of good ones.
I was just saying that he didn't make very many starts.
As you said, they found ways to keep him off the mound.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Horacio Ramirez
Though calling him a pitcher might be a bit of a stretch.
by tdot mariner fan on Jun 28, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trying to read a player's facial expression is one of my favorite things to do while
watching a game. Rookie pitcher Tyler Chatwood always looks like a grizzly bear is about to attack him while he pitches.
"It's our money," owner Arte Moreno said.
Its gonna be awesome when we stop talking about Figgins, Peguero, Carp, Halman, Kennedy, etc.
Talking about shitty players get old and boring. They are bad. All bad. Figuring out which is less bad than another is useful but after 2 months of discussing it, it can get old unless there are new thoughts to add to the situation.
We should get back to talking about the great stuff like Felix’s dominance, Bedard’s comeback or Pineda’s ROY run.
by Edgar for Pres on Jun 28, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
Figgins and Peguero are the only ones that I think are shitty.
Everyone else is a useful piece.
Sobriety ain't too bad...
But here you go, read this to cheer yourself up:
Sobriety ain't too bad...
Yeah Pineda!!
Felix definitely got snubbed.
by Edgar for Pres on Jun 28, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think some might be interesting in the future (Halman)
Its not that I hate them but the constant bicker over who is better than who just gets tiring if there is nothing insightful and new presented. Now I’m just complaining…
What I meant to make a point of was that there are other things to talk about which are really exciting about this team.
by Edgar for Pres on Jun 28, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Adam Kennedy's slump only made his overall stats look exactly as they should. He's got a career .717 OPS and his 2011 OPS is .729.
I can’t fault him for being exactly who he is, and the fact that he was one of our best 2 hitters for awhile leads me to not want to dog on him at all. If we had a good 3B and DH, he’d be such a good Mark McLemore.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 28, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Compelling Reason Not to Spot the Braves 3 Runs So Pineda Can "Sit"
The Mariners won’t score 4 against Hanson.

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